Indecent

Indecent

: Lots of news on the indecent indecency front:

: ANOTHER INDECENT BILL… Sens. John D. Rockefeller (a Democrat… for shame) and Kay Bailey Hutchison introduced an indecent indecency bill that is even more constitutionally abhorrent than the House version.

They would extend FCC censorship to violence, not just indecency. How the hell they’re going to define violence is beyond me. So Saving Private Ryan can go on the air even with the F word but it has to go off again because it’s violent? And let’s get rid of the news, of course. Wave as you go down the slippery slope, senators: First, you want to censor indecency. Then profanity. Now violence. Warning: Political speech is not far behind.

And they would extend FCC censorship to cable and satellite. Warning: The internet is not far behind.

They also require full-screen, 30-second warnings every 30 minutes for any “violent and indecent programming… on broadcast, cable, and satellite programming [sic].” Since no one knows what violent and indecent programming is, the warning should just go up on every show.

They require more children’s programming. So they want children to watch more TV, eh?

And they raise fines up to $3 million per day with a provision that appears to allow the FCC to double fines if the violation was scripted or if it occurs on a show with a “viewing or listening audience … substantially larger than usual, such as a national or international championship sporting event or awards program…” Henceforth known as the Jackson Clause.

: IT’S THE CONSTITUTION, DUMMY… Even national nanny and FCC commissioner Jonathan Adelstein knows that this bill is unconstitutional:

“Right now it’s not in our rules to go after any material that’s broadcast over cable or satellite,” Adelstein said. If Congress were to make such a law, “it would likely be held unconstitutional in the courts. The courts have told us to be very careful about what we say is indecent and they recognize that weíre walking a tightrope between the First Amendment and the need to protect children from hearing this kind of thing.

“If itís a cable system, or a subscription service like satellite or cable, people are paying for it,” Adelstein continued. “Theyíre inviting it into their homes. And the basis for the broadcast restrictions is that itís pervasiveÖ But taking that into cable or satellite, the courts would probably look askance at.”

: CNN NOT FUCKED…. Just yesterday, the FCC turned down a complaint for a dropped F bomb on CNN during convention coverage because… well, duh, the FCC doesn’t censor cable… yet.

Here’s the Washington Post’s take.

: ON TIME… A few notes on Time’s cover story (not really online) on the indecency kerfluffle:

: THE SURVEY SAYS… A poll asks, “Should government ban it from TV?” Note that in no case does a majority say yes:

: Violence? 36 percent yes.

: Cursing and sexual language? 41 percent yes.

: Explicit sexual content, such as nudity? 41 percent yes.

: Drug and alcohol abuse? 33 percent yes.

Well bring on the naked, cursing, drunk ninja ladies!

: OK, then, how about that supposed national consensus of outrate over Janet Jackson’s breast? Asked whether they were offended by the incident, only 31 percent said yes. Well, then, were they offended by the Desperate Housewives promotion on Monday Night Football? Only 24 percent said yes.

Asked whether any of these things were “never suitable” — bare breasts; frontal nudity; bare buttocks; implied sex, no nudity; same-sex couple kissing; advertising for sexual potency drugs — none gained a majority.

: DISNEY IS EVIL… The story drew to my attention the fact that a Disney executive just broke ranks and favored FCC regulation of cable — because it’s preferable (for Disney… to hell with the Constitution and free speech) to the alternative suggestion that cable customers should be able to buy only the channels they want. Says Broacasting & Cable:

Of course, anytime you hear a media company volunteering for tighter government controls, it sets off the old Follow the Money alarm bells. As it happens, some lawmakers are suggesting an alternative to the content restrictions: forcing cable operators to allow ì‡ la carteî channel shopping so that parents can opt not to receive channels they donít want their kids to see. Mostly wholesome Disney doesnít have much to fear there. Ah, but ‡ la carte selection would also allow millions of subscribers who donít like sports but do like cutting expenses to dump ESPNóone of the priciest items on cableís prix fixe menu.

Disgusting Disney.

: DAMN, DAMN, DAMN… Time follows around an “analyst” from the so-called Parents Television Council, Kristine Looney [note my restraint], as she catalogues even uses of the word “damn” in a data base covering the naughty bits in 100,000 hours of TV. Naughty includes “every incident of sexual content, violence, profanity, disrepect for authority, and other negative content.”

Disrespect for authority is now indecent?

: I WISH THEY’D CLEAR OUT OF MY HOUSE… Time says that “almost single-handedly, the PTC has become a national clearinghouse for, an arbiter of, decency.”

Whoa! These bozos appoint themselves to that role and Time swallows it. Even to the FCC, the PTC is not the arbiter of decency; even the FCC turns down many of its prudish yelps.

: DAY IN COURT… A court test of indecency law and enforcement is long, long overdue. Time says that “industry sources tell Time” that broadcasters are considering a court test case. I thought that was already underway with Viacom’s refusal to pay the Janet Jackson tit tax and Fox’s decision to fight the record Married by America fine that led to my FOIA (quoted in Time). Maybe they have another case. Good. More = merrier.

“There are difficulties” that the FCC faces, a broadcast executive tells Time. “One is that extreme [regulatory] positions are going to run into constitutional problems. The second is inconsistent and vague rulings are going to run into contstitutional problems.”

32 responses to “Indecent”

  1. Matthew Goggins Avatar

    I knew Disney was evil ever since they had Bambi’s mother bumped off, the heartless b–t–ds!
    But seriously, they are such ruthless greedy folk to go after the first amendment to make a buck. It’s not the first time, either. They were a prime mover in taking old content out of the public domain by having Congress extend copyright protections by several decades.
    Is it time to start boycotting Disney yet?

  2. Vincent Gugino Avatar
    Vincent Gugino

    We need Goverment to protect our children fun from the evils of Televison.
    HBO Showtime Starz and Skinamax need to be regulated with no profanty or violence.

  3. Ben Avatar

    You can say one thing about Congress; they sure have a lot of nerve recently
    I fully expect forty lashes for dragging this into it the discussion, but I can’t get over the similarities:
    I was scrolling through a Terry Shiavo post on The Moderate Voice, and just past halfway down, Joe Gandleman quoted from Donald Sensing, part of which was this:
    But as I wrote more than a year ago, the Republican party, like the Democrats, are big-government activists who have (like the Democrats) adopted a foundational philosophy that America is a problem to be fixed, and Americans are a people to be managed.
    Yup, that’s it all right. According to Congress, we can’t be trusted to handle potentially negative media influences, so they will manage the problem for us.
    It’s as if they see their relationship with the American people as a parent-child relationship. Very disturbing.

  4. John Thacker Avatar
    John Thacker

    As I’ve said before, this is where to fight. The Supreme Court precedents are fairly clear about broadcasting, although the SCOTUS could always change its mind. But they *clearly* don’t apply to non-pervasive cable and satellite. Even saying that, this should be stopped before it starts. Not even the FCC commissioners, any of them, have publically supported regulating cable and satellite that I know of, and most have spoken against it.
    Limit it to the status quo and it’ll die a slow death.

  5. Alex Rowland Avatar

    As I’ve said before, I hope they succeed. Not because I think they’re right (they’re certifiable), but because it will hasten the demise of existing monolithic media conglomerates and jump start the process towards a truly “open” media infrastructure. (Sometimes revolutions need a little extra motivation to really start the fire burning…)
    People would find a way around this censorship, they would just move to the Internet to receive all their content. Within 5 years the majority of consumers would be getting their content over unregulated IP networks and/or Netflix-style services (down from 10-15 years without such censorship.) And in the process, the quality of this content would improve (and not in the way the PTC is envisioning.)
    As for the Internet being next on their list. There is no way they could do this if they even tried. It’s just too decentralized. Although I’d like to see Ms. Looney keeping track of the indecency on IP content. It should make her even more miserable than she is already.
    Anyway, this is all just blatant posturing and pandering by a few dinosaurs. The whole issue is irrelevant because…
    1. It is blatantly unconstitutional,
    2. It is highly unpopular with the public
    3. OTA Broadcast, satellite, and cable are going to be irrelevant in 15 years, so who cares.
    (But it probably would make good TV.)

  6. Eileen Avatar

    Alex,
    “Although I’d like to see Ms. Looney keeping track of the indecency on IP content. It should make her even more miserable than she is already.”
    Truly now? It’s 2005, remember? Remember MSPs from 30 years ago? I do. Your respect for women is nonexistent. Apparently you love the not so fairer sex. So go blow.
    Blatent posturing, indeed. I’m quite sure You, of all people, (also) know every first thing about ‘good tv’.

  7. Ruth Avatar

    This is truly sad. We have really important issues at hand, particularly the economy, which is going down the tubes. Congress can’t spend its time on the important jobs which it has, I suppose because its incompetence is embarrassing even to itself. First a personal family tragedy in the Schiavo special legislation, and now the control of the remote.
    Is it time for general recall yet?

  8. choiheary Avatar
    choiheary

    we can watch T.V only together with family. At that time we can’t watch sexaul scene and other wrong secen .Also when they watch T.V with children, their parent’s fordid them worng scne.

  9. Seth Finkelstein Avatar

    “Time says that “almost single-handedly, the PTC has become a national clearinghouse for, an arbiter of, decency.””
    Talk about find your niche! :-)

  10. Drew Avatar

    The PTC is out of control – who’s their next target, Google News?

  11. BTD Greg Avatar

    Jeff, I think you missed the point on Disney. I don’t necessarily disagree that Disney is evil (or incompentant) these days, with Eisner running the ship aground at every turn, but the article you cite ought to have been pointing out why Disney would be *opposed* to a la carte programming. (That quote from a “Disney exec” was pretty pithy.) Disney owns ESPN, one of the last cash cows actually making money now that Pixar has bolted. If it’s bad for ESPN, it’s bad for Disney, thus the probable opposition to a la carte programming.
    And, quite frankly, I don’t understand your opposition to a la carte programming. If in fact you oppose it. My only gripe is that I’d probably end up paying more for the buffet.

  12. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    I’m not saying anything about a la carte programming. I’m saying that for Disney is INVITE government censorship to avoid it is, well, evil.

  13. A.R.Yngve Avatar

    I just want to commend Jeff Jarvis for his show of restraint with a name like “Kristine Looney”. What a trooper!
    Glad to see that blogging citizens won’t surrender the Constitution to some loonies…
    Oops!
    -A.R.Yngve

  14. BTD Greg Avatar

    Well, if that’s really the case and the B&C reporting on that is accurate, then I suppose I agree with you.

  15. Pete The Elder Avatar

    “First, you want to censor indecency. Then profanity. Now violence. Warning: Political speech is not far behind.”
    Jeff your a little bit late on this one. The Federal government has been censoring political speech for decades. Its called “campaign finance reform” and instead of the FCC it is the FEC that censors.

  16. james Avatar

    Who or what is the force motivating this desire to censor what adults watch?
    My guess, Neo-Republican Fundamentalist Christian Fanatics.
    Could it be anything else?

  17. Mike Avatar

    James is right, it’s those whacko Neo-repubs. I know this because he has made $750k so far this year. Anyone who makes that kind of money and is willing to comment on these threads just has to be right. /sarcasm
    James, the FCC and censorship is about as bipartisan an issue as they come. Did you see the vote tally on the indecency bill in the House? Stop with the rhetoric already and try and offer something to the conversation.
    Any attempt by Congress to allow the FCC to regulate cable and satellite should be challenged by everyone. That is just obscene in and of itself for the governement to think that it can decide what I should watch after I pay for it. Regular ‘free’ TV and radio, I have no proble with the FCC regulations by any extension or expansion of those powers is wrong.

  18. james Avatar

    Mike:
    ìJames, the FCC and censorship is about as bipartisan an issue as they come. Did you see the vote tally on the indecency bill in the House? Ö Any attempt by Congress to allow the FCC to regulate cable and satellite should be challenged by everyone.î
    Re-read my question: ìWho or what is the force motivating this desire to censor what adults watch?î
    I know itís a bipartisan effort, but Congress doesnít usually act against the political wind. Thereís strong support for this coming from somewhere. Where?
    (BTW, Mike, it seems youíre a little over-impressed with my earnings. I donít want to burst your bubble, but, as Iíve already mentioned, having wealth and being right are unconnected events. If I lose everything tomorrow, I can still be right on issues. Conversely, if you hit the lottery tomorrow, it doesnít mean youíll ever be right.)

  19. Mike Avatar

    james,
    It’s called sarcasm james, get over yourself already. I mention your money to make fun of you because really what type of person needs to announce how much money they make while commenting on a blog thread as you did yesterday. And then go on to assume that no one else commenting makes that kind of salary, all in some comparison of democrats and republicans.
    I think this sort of points to your lack of character, not to mention that all your posts seem to come from the ‘Republicans are always wrong’ playbook.
    I know itís a bipartisan effort, but Congress doesnít usually act against the political wind. Thereís strong support for this coming from somewhere. Where?
    What the hell are you talking about? Why would democrats be swayed by some as you say, Neo-Republican Fundamentalist Christian Fanatics?? Doesn’t say much for the Democrats.

  20. james Avatar

    Mike:
    “… Why would democrats be swayed by some as you say, Neo-Republican Fundamentalist Christian Fanatics?? Doesn’t say much for the Democrats.”
    Okay, for the sake of arguement, let’s say your right about the Democrats (I’m a libertarian) — although, I think any presumption of “principles” on the Democrats part is generous, but unwarranted.
    But it still doesn’t answer my question. You tell me, Mike: Where’s the grass-roots support coming from? Corporations? The media? The Federal bureaucracy? Neocons? The Christian Right? Where?

  21. AlanC Avatar

    Agree that this is a bi-partisan travesty. As to who’s behind it? Why does it have to be one defineable group?
    The big problem here is the same as with McCain Fiengold. Everyone is on board for their own nefarious reasons. After all, the latest scoop is that there was a big sub-fusc funding scheme by left-wing trust funs to build up that one. But, there were lots of right wingers thinking that they could jump on the band wagon to undercut their own opponents.
    Face it, this is all about power & greed & moral righteousness in varying combinations according to individual “needs”.

  22. EverKarl Avatar
    EverKarl

    I don’t agree that this is a bipartisan travesty. Jeff is to be officially denounced for mentioning Sen. Rockefeller. It’s part of his relentless sliming of Democrats. I must post a banner calling on him to resign from the Party. But first, donuts!
    PS: I seriously considered not posting the above, so as not to encourage a response. But it occurred to me that a response would necessarily be an admission that Jeff in fact is criticizing Republicans in his post also. I would like to see such an admission, but I don’t expect it.

  23. Mike Avatar

    So today you are a libertarian james?? Yesterday you were liberal:
    We liberals tend to make more money than you Neo-Republi-Fundementalist Fanatics.

    In that respect, I’m doing my part ($750K in ’05 so far). And I plan to continue doing my civic duty by supporting financially, among other things, gay marriage, abortion rights, free speech (anti-war protests), privacy rights (pornography), civil rights (roll back PATRIOT Act), and the environment.

    Then you start talking to Kat about using your money to get the left back into power. You’re full of sh*t is what you are. And your posts here don’t make sense. All you’re doing is trying to hijack this thread and turn it into your own Republican bashing chamber.

  24. james Avatar

    Pardon me for the confusion. I am a libertarian (small ‘l’). I favor free markets, individual rights, limited government and peace. However, one must be realistic. There is not now (nor has or will there ever be) a chance a Libertarian could get elected to national office, let alone the party gain real power. So one must be practical and improvise.
    Until Bush 43, I generally rooted for the fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republicans. Not anymore, their extinct (see The American Conservative mag.). My revulsion to Bush 43’s so-called War on Terrorism and Iraq lies, among other things, caused me to do some crazy things politically — like contribute the maximum to Kerry’s campaign and give to MoveOn.Org, etc.
    So, yes, I much prefer to see Democrats take power now than see fiscally liberal, socially conservative, imperialistic Republicans (i.e., Trotskyite-Likudite Neocons) stay in power. To me it’s a case of the lesser of two great evils; one must be pragmatic about these things.
    As a fall back, I love to see Pat Buchanan run, even though heís no Libertarian.

  25. james Avatar

    Mike:
    Despite your all your arm-waving and bluster, you still haven’t answered my question:
    Where’s the grass-roots support coming from? Corporations? The media? The Federal bureaucracy? Neocons? The Christian Right? Where?
    In the absence of an cogent response, I’ll have no alternative but to conclude that you too are full of shit.

  26. Mike Avatar

    You tell me, where is it coming from? Why should I know? I don’t care, I obviously don’t associate with that group. In the end, I hold my congressman accountable for their votes. If I don’t like the way they vote, I will try and vote them out of the office.

  27. james Avatar

    Okay, I’ll tell you my guess (same one as before):
    Fundementalist Chistain fanatics, that’s who.
    You disagree?

  28. james Avatar

    Mike:
    “I obviously don’t associate with that group.”
    What group is that? Why is it so obvious?
    “In the end, I hold my congressman accountable for their votes. If I don’t like the way they vote, I will try and vote them out of the office.”
    Really? I would have guessed that you vote for Republicans down the line, irrespective of how your congressman votes. You don’t strike me as very independent-minded.
    (Mike, Iím concerned. Your posts sound a little tense, a little testy — like youíre angry or troubled or, perhaps, under a lot of stress. Are you okay? Is there anything you want to talk about?)

  29. Mike Avatar

    james your condescending tone speak volumes to you as a person. You seem to be the one who stereotypes everyone into groups and lack an independent mind.
    What group is that? Why is it so obvious?
    That would be any group that would want to extend censorship and regulation to cable and satellite. And yes, I would disagree with you if you think that Fundamentalist Christians are the only groups advocating this position, but like I said, they don’t matter, they don’t make the laws.

  30. james Avatar

    Mike:
    “I would disagree with you if you think that Fundamentalist Christians are the only groups advocating this position…”
    I didn’t say “only” group, but I would say the primary group, the most vocal group, the most animated and motivated group. Agree now, Mike?
    Or, do you want to continue to mince words and evade the point (which is, fundamentalist Christian fanatics want to impose radical their moral beliefs on everyone in this country).
    And, Iíll say it again, Mike: Your posts sound increasing tense; stop gnashing your teeth. I afraid you will cause yourself health problems or, worse, do something crazy.

  31. EverKarl Avatar
    EverKarl

    who is paying jeff jarvis,
    Aside from the libelous nature of your post vis a vis Spirit of America and others, I note that your e-mail address is at “payments@bushcorp.com.” If the payments department at Bushcorp doesn’t know the answers to the questions you asked, isn’t Jeff pretty much cleared of your bizzare conspiracy theory?
    Put another way: Do you really think that libelous and stupid is a winning combo?

  32. Krusty Krab Avatar
    Krusty Krab

    Actually, the adoption (and perhaps eventual signing by Bush) of a bill which clearly steps over the line of constitutionality would be great news, since it would get destroyed in the Supreme Court. The bills you have to worry about are the ones which lurk in the gray area between constitutional and unconstitutional.
    So, I suggest people get on the horn and encourage the passing of this bill. It would represent the end of indecency-laws for at least another generation.