Money, meet mouth

Money, meet mouth

: There is a crapsquall brewing over Time Inc.’s decision (underplayed on their own site) to hand over reporter’s notes in the Plame case to the court. See Tom Watson and Chris Geidner and Staci Kramer’s thoughtful post here.

I want to add one thing: When I saw a picture of Time reporter Matthew Cooper with his wife, Mandy Grunwald (whom I met maybe once when I was at Time Inc.) and child, I thought of my own scene at the hearth and wondered: Would I have the courage to go to jail to protect a source? After watching Oz (not meant flippantly), I honestly wonder. I support the war in Iraq, but when I see pictures of the violence there or the fatherless families back home, I also have to wonder whether I would have the courage to go or, worse, to allow my son to. The only honest answer is that I don’t know.

Did Time cave or did Time try to protect its reporter? I have no idea.

Last night, I got email from a show to come on and talk about this and I said I couldn’t because, now that I’m working as a consultant for The Times, I think I’m in a conflict of interest. I’m also in a conflict of opinion; I don’t know what I think about shield laws now. This is what I said to the show’s producer:

I firmly believe that anyone and everyone can do journalism; I am a blog triumphalist, a proponent of citizens’ media. So there should not be a special privilege for people who are somehow officially accredited as journalists — not only because that excludes citizens who do journalism but also because it puts those credentialed at risk of having their credentials pulled by authorities. We do not want to find ourselves in that position.

Should there be a privilege? When everyone has it, there is also the danger that someone will claim privilege to hide criminal behavior: Someone will claim via a blog that they are doing journalism and have privilege and thus refuse to reveal a source of what they wrote in civil or criminal matters.

This had led many to say that privilege should not extend to criminal activities: that it is an obligation of citizens who know of criminal activity to reveal that. If that were the standard, then Miller would still not have privilege.

Frankly, I’m not sure where I come down. Ying-yangs:

I do believe in the necessity of privilege to enable the watchdogging of the powerful.

At the same time, I think we have grossly abused confidential sources in media and perhaps ruined privilege in the process.

I do think that if journalists have privilege then all citizens have privilege when they practice journalism, which now anyone can do: Anyone can publish.

I also believe there need to be limits — for example, regarding criminal activity. But then that, too, defangs privilege.

So the long and the short of it is is… and this is rare for a blogger or a TV guest to say: I don’t know.

17 responses to “Money, meet mouth”

  1. Ethan Avatar

    “I don’t know.”
    If more people said that more often, we’d all be better off. Kudos, Jeff.

  2. franky Avatar

    The case of the two journalists is a tough one. I believe reporters should be prepared to go to jail to protect their sources, but there’s something unsettling about this case where the bureaucrat is watching this all happen and can step forward to protect the journalists from jail time but does nothing. Further inclining me against the leaker’s rights is that he used anonymity to attack someone. The general rule of journalism is that you don’t provide the cloak of anonymity to someone who wants to attack someone specifically. Even worse is that old fart Novak sitting around as free to pontificate on the news as ever facing no charges.
    But then I worry about the legal precedence, i worry for the whistleblowers who really will need the protection, and i side definitively with the NYT and agree the journalists should not reveal their sources.
    Iraq is easier for me – i do not want any of my loved ones to fight this war and if they did, and if they were killed or wounded i would see it as nothing more than a criminal waste of a life.

  3. Ruth Avatar

    The aspect of all this that has been kinda lost, and is really major, is that the administration exercised its powers of knowledge and press contacts to ‘out’ an agent of this government.
    Her husband was respected, and came out and directly stated there were NO WMD’s in Iraq. The kind of bitterness that his perfectly valid information, and use of it, provoked, is reminiscent of the Nixon era with its ‘enemies’ list – and its use of confidential information to work against those enemies’ credibility.
    Although it is possible that agents she worked with were significantly damaged, I don’t know those details. But I do think that when the Time information is made known, the public will be well served. The shame is that the source was weasel enough to use a high government post in this way, and then crawl back into the cesspool of this kind of public disservice.

  4. Greg Burton Avatar

    There is a significant difference between calling a journalist to report a criminal act or conspiracy, and creating a criminal act by calling a journalist. Or so I see it. The convoluted game involved in this particular case somehwat hides that distinction.
    However, whoever leaked Plame’s name deliberately committed a crime – an initial crime – by making a phone call or having a conversation. So the _intent_ of the call was criminal. Under these circumstances I don’t see a problem with compelling testimony. However, the fact that Miller never even wrote about it makes this an issue of prior restraint – and that’s a very good reason _not_ to compel testimony.
    So…….it’s confused.

  5. rick_d Avatar

    I’ve not had an easy time following this case over the–what–two years(?) it’s been playing out, so I don’t know where Novak fits in. Is he also in legal hot water because of his involvement?

  6. Peter Himler Avatar

    As much as I would like to agree with Jeff in his unwaivering and outspoken support of citizen journalists, I still find it difficult, if not unreasonable, to confer First Amendment protection to anyone who posts his or her musings on the Internet. Yes, I recognize that the lines are blurring between bloggers and “credentialed” media, and who’s to say who is and who isn’t a journalist nowadays? Still, a graduate degree in journalism and/or a paid affiliation with a “recognized” news organization should provide enhanced stature in the eyes of the Constitution.

  7. chris Avatar

    Jeff your statement about supporting the war sums it up for you. You don’t support the war obviously because you don’t think its worth losing a child over. If you don’t know then you don’t really support it. If you thought you could lose a kid for this cause then it would be a cause worth fighting. Its amazing to me that so many “centrists and rightwingers” support it but very few are willing to sacrifice anything. I say Bush started this unneccessary war. He invaded. Let him put his money where his mouth is. Send his daughters. Then we’ll see how quickly we get out of Iraq. Chickenhawks are what Bush and company are. Nothing more. Nothing less. Your statement makes me mad. If you believe in it then go fight it. There are so many people stirring this thing up and so few willing to sacrifice themselves for it. Its time for America to wake up and send the cheerleaders for this lie of a war. They wanted it. Let them prove themselves brave enough to fight it. Then when the fools are all gone us leftwingers can have a nice peaceful country once and for all.

  8. Tristan Louis Avatar

    Well, the principle of it is simply infuriating. In the past, there has always been a contentious relationship between government and the media (remember, it’s the 4th estate). However, with this move, Time broke rank and decided to side with people who are trying to assault some of the protection journalists have in order to be able to break stories. Now that this has happened, how many people do you think would become whistleblowers?
    Some people have said that they did so to protect the reporter. However, in interviews, the reporter said he was willing to go to jail over the principle of protecting the first amendment.
    I, for one, am disgusted with Time, and swear that I will never be quoted again by them as I am now refusing to deal with them on any levels. There are other news outlets out there, the kind that protect certain rights, and those are the ones worth reading, advertising in, and providing content to.

  9. Mark@CM Avatar

    First draft of a rule for this –
    If the source is leaking information (and violating the law by doing so) in order to intimidate other sources (and thereby keep information from the public) –
    Burn ’em.
    It ain’t pretty, but it’s a darn site better than letting someone use the media to commit a crime, and then to use the “reporter’s privilege” as protection.

  10. paul_lukasiak Avatar

    In this instance, it appears that reporters were contacted to act as accomplices in the commission of a crime that compromised America’s national security.
    And when we make that distinction, its easy to realize that we aren’t talking about “journalist’s privilege”.
    **********
    Of course, everyone really wants to know “Where’s Novak”. I suspect that Novak talked to avoid prosecution, but that he was less than honest — and that Fitzgerald is working up an “obstruction of justice” charge against him….

  11. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    Yes, out ’em, burn ’em, whatever.
    The leaker wasn’t a whistleblower revealing government crime (a la Deep Throat), thereby doing a service for the American people.
    The leaker committed a crime, all in the name of revenge, a perfect example of the MOs of both the first Bush, and now his son. Anyone who disagrees with you is an enemy who must be destroyed. But make sure the one who does the dirty work is just far away enough to keep the stink off you.
    Novak is an accomplished winger propagandist, so they probably pulled some strings for him. Only the “librul media” go to jail. But wait, don’t they remember Judy printed all their WMD nonsense? She was the perfect dupe. Surely they’ll work something out for her too.

  12. Brian Avatar

    as if going to jail for not revealing your journalistic sources compares to having your child blown apart while at “war”- are you kidding? jesus dude, get out of new york city for 10 minutes.
    and spare us your non-answer of “i don’t know”- if you support this “war”, then you and your children should go fight it, and not other people’s children who are too desperate to have any other options; it’s that simple. You’re intellectually lazy, hypocritical, and dishonest.

  13. Andy Freeman Avatar
    Andy Freeman

    > Still, a graduate degree in journalism and/or a paid affiliation with a “recognized” news organization should provide enhanced stature in the eyes of the Constitution.
    Why? Note that there is no historical basis for such enhancement. (“the press” in the first amendment is technology, not an organization.)
    And, what’s a “recognized” news organization? Does the Mercury News count? How about the Weekly World News? How about World Worker’s News (or whatever the IWW calls their paper). Does I.F Stone count? How about Glenn Reynolds? Which parts of Time Warner count?
    Can a “recognized” news organization lose that standing by, say, trying to pass-off forgeries?

  14. Brian Avatar

    I am also conflicted like Jeff. However, I do find the irony of the media’s position delicious. When the journalist was Robert Novak, haul them before the grand jury. Find the leakers, prosecute them, put them in jail. When the spotlight turned to Time magazine and the New York Times– well wait a minute. Now it’s journalistic privilege. Now the argument is that may be no crime was committed at all. After all, the Intelligence Identities Protection Act talks about a pattern, and deliberately revealing the undercover agents identity, knowing that they were undercover and at risk. Now the Washington Post, Newsweek and the New York Times are all arguing that may be no crime was committed at all. Seeing their about-face, I’m reminded of the Chinese proverb — be careful what you wish for, you may get it.

  15. chris Avatar

    The difference is Novak is a right wing activist posing as a journalist. He is did his part for the administration. So they cover for him. Judith Miller was suckered. She thought they might really give a shit about her. By the way has anyone seen the clip of Novak vs. Frank Zappa over at http://www.Ifilm.com? Zappa slams the whole Crossfire crew there into a frenzy back in 86′ over govt intrusion when it comes to CD labeling. Great stuff.

  16. Ruth Avatar

    From editor&publisher:
    ‘Tonight, on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O’Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name–and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove.
    Here is the transcript of O’Donnell’s remarks:
    “What we’re going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper’s e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury, the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.
    “And I know I’m going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of…for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine’s going to do with the grand jury.”‘
    see: http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000972839
    Surprise.

  17. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    Oh, those ethical, values-diven, moral conservatives.
    Wake up wingers – they don’t give two shits about you, other than on the first Tuesday in November every couple years.
    Thier power, their wallets, their cronyism.
    Remember, Rove calls Democrats traitors, while he subverts national security, and endangers the lives of Americans who actually serve the nation.