Dell hell: Deus ex machina

Dell hell: Deus ex machina

: So the wonderful guys at EVDOinfo snuck me a new driver, due out next week, to make my high-speed Verizon card work on the newest Macs (thanks, Mike!). I went back to CompUSA (no, I don’t have that much spare time; I was next door working at a Borders while I wait to pick up my son at computer camp) and installed the driver with great help from the Apple rep in the store (thanks, Bruce), who said if this worked, it would help him sell more Powerbooks. It works! There I was, connected to high-speed cellular from the store.

I swear to God at that very moment, my cell phone rang and it was a customer service person from Dell. She was calling because of the email I sent to her chief marketing officer and vice president of US Dell. She told me she’d read the emails — and blog posts — and get back to me. And that’s fine.

But what a criminal shame that it took sending an email to the head of Dell U.S. (not that he has his email address online; I guessed it: Dell puts an underscore between the first and last names of employees) to get the first and only attempt to solve my problems.

It didn’t come because they noticed I had to send the machine back and get most it replaced and send them scores of emails and wait forever to get any service and still did not have a working machine.

It didn’t come because they monitored what their customers are saying online.

It came because a VP didn’t want to be bothered and so they have this chain of complaint, standard.

I told the nice lady that I was in the store right then getting ready to buy an Apple.

Divine intervention may well get me out of Dell hell. But it wasn’t from Dell. It was from Mike and Bruce.

44 responses to “Dell hell: Deus ex machina”

  1. Mike G Avatar

    Oh thank God. I was so afraid you’d actually get a Powerbook and this would be the last we’d hear of it. Now we’ll have two solid years of other troubles with your PC to read about before, being a PC, it becomes hopelessly antiquated at age 2 and has to be replaced.

  2. Richard Bennett Avatar

    This isn’t a good time to buy an Apple. They’re going to come out with a whole new line of gear using Intel chips next year, and if they follow their historical pattern they will abandon current customers and focus all efforts on selling the new deal. The new machines won’t be compatible with the existing ones, so you’ll be in limbo for software.
    I’d advise you to get your Dell working and wait for Apple’s new computers before going over to the dark side.
    Dells are pretty good most of the time, so yours will likely be trouble-free once you correct your current problem.

  3. Noel Guinane Avatar

    Richard, Apple have already arranged for their software developers at the click of a button to provide versions of their software to run on both PowerPC and Intel chips. As for abandoning customers, the last major switch from OS 9 to OS X did not leave OS 9 users in the lurch. All Apple computers run both operating systems, as well as the software written for both, seamlessly.
    For the last five years, Apple has ensured that a version of their operating system ran on Intel chips so I am not sure we can say that the new machines they introduce will not be compatible. It certainly isn’t true that we will be in ‘limbo for software’.
    Having read through in excruciating detail this latest chapter in the Dell story (the first and most painful for me being the ‘Buy American’ thread at TomPeters.com, now in the archives) I admire your courage in suggesting Jeff stick with them. I had no idea Dell had such fanatical supporters and can’t for the life of me understand what it is that Dell are doing to deserve them!

  4. Mike (EVDO Guy) Avatar

    Jeff,
    Glad that we were able to lend you a hand and get your PowerBook working with the Novatel V620. It is hard to read between the lines and figure out if you walked out the store with or without your new PowerBook?

  5. Will Avatar

    I just bought a Dell Inspirion 9300, and love it, haven’t had any problems with it (knock on wood). I did a lot of research before buying it and one thing that was common in the reader reviews of almost all the laptops I looked at was how piss poor costumer service was. I don’t recall reading one comment that said they were happy with the service they got when their laptop developed a problem. I chalked it up to the general decline in customer service across the board.

  6. dfrisme Avatar
    dfrisme

    Richard Bennett:
    I have been using Macs since 1984. I’ve been through 3 major changes in the platform. From 68000 to PowerPC to OS X. In each case my old software continued to work.
    In fact I’m still running a copy of Pagemaker that was targeted for 68000. Admittedly, its pretty clunky compared to newer stuff. But I have old files that I occasionally need to access. It’s been a while since I tried to boot up MacPaint 1.0, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it worked.
    If cared for, Macs have very long useful lifes. I used a Mac II for seven years as my main machine. My 7500 is 8 years old and still in service. My four year old first generation Ti Powerbook is not the fastest thing in the world anymore, but it continues to work well.
    I’ll admit that when I do 3D raytracing or am encoding a DVD, I use the fastest, newest machine I can get my hands on. But for general use a Mac holds its value for quite a while.
    I also have a first generation iPod that works just fine with the new Podcasting features Apple implemented in iTunes 4.9.
    (Games are a whole other issue, but I’m not much of a game player…)
    Apple has its issues (believe me I could write a book..) but their systems losing their value/usability isn’t one of them.

  7. Richard Bennett Avatar

    I bought one of the very first Macs, the 128K dual-floppy machine that had to be upgraded to 512K by hand-soldering sockets into the motherboard after removing the original 64K DRAMS by hand and the replacing the buffer chip. And later I replaced it with a hard-drive Mac XL (or something) that was made obsolete when the Mac II came out. Buyers of the original and XL Macs were definitely orphaned and left without any support as new models came out and Apple declined to support new versions of the OS on older hardware.
    Apple’s treatment of its “installed base” has been far shoddier than that of any other computer company, and after three CPU architecture changes and three major OS changes, there are lots of orphaned customers who can’t run new stuff on their machines at all.
    When you buy a machine from Apple you should be given a warning that the company doesn’t plan to support your system after your check has cleared, because contempt for the installed base is the Apple creed.
    After all, it’s not just a computer company, it’s the cult of con artist Steve Jobs’ personality. Even in 1984, nobody else thought you could satisfy the needs of business computing with a 128K machine that could never be upgraded to use a hard drive or a color display.

  8. Mark Avatar

    To: Richard Bennett
    It seems prudent to note:
    This is not the right time to buy an Apple, a PC, an LCD TV, nor a Plasma TV — there is never a “right” time to buy anything, they’re always getting better and less expensive.
    If you wait for the “right” time, you would be scratching notes in the sand with a stick and creating your own “videos” on the cave wall…

  9. Richard Bennett Avatar

    Apple has just announced a major platform change. Apple has a history of screwing the installed base every time they do a platform change. Do the math.
    No time is good to buy a plasma TV – they all suck and always will, same thing with direct view LCD. DLP projection and LCoS are different, and it’s a great time to buy them, same with PCs. But you have to understand the actual technology to know this, which takes more work than quoting bumper stickers.

  10. Jesse Avatar

    Ignore the troll, every comment list seems to invite one. Jeff, congratulations on a great purchase.

  11. Mike G Avatar

    Apple’s treatment of its “installed base” has been far shoddier than that of any other computer company
    This is, not to put too fine a point on it, nuts.
    The only reason you can make a statement like that is because Windows folks don’t go through upgrade issues because they’re used to throwing everything away when they switch machines, and being forced to switch machines every time a new Windows comes out. (My wife has to have Windows at home, and I support it, so I talk from bitter experience here.) (Ever try to migrate your old emails to a new PC? It can be done, honest. Just because no one ever does it doesn’t mean that, like walking solo across Antarctica, it CAN’T be done.)
    I have files on my current Mac I wrote on an Apple IIc, for cryin’ out loud. Yes, they forced me to drop the floppy and SCSI, which necessitated in the first case… well, nothing, actually, since I’d long since stopped using them myself, and in the second case adding a $30 SCSI card. Nothing like the hair-tearing involved in supporting successive Windows PCs.

  12. Reid Orsten Avatar

    I’ve never seen a Dell work properly. Even at the high end: my department bought a cluster of Dell 1U dual 1GHz p3 machines when they were the fancy thing, and as far as I remember they came with Win2k – no clustering software for it at the time – and a really lame switch/backplane that didn’t work properly. I remember it taking about a year for them to get linux working on it properly, partly because they had to find and acquire hardware that worked.
    I’ve also seen Apples not work properly. The single worst case was when I broke the screen hinges (oops) on my TiBook days after they released the model: the replacement screen was out of stock for 3 weeks. However, I’ve never seen a mac die completely (even after having the screen break, my powerbook was totally useable), and I’ve never had an Apple employee be rude to me.
    Not that I’m going to say that Apple is better than Dell, because did you see Apple computers in Swordfish? No. I’m just saying that not only are Apples incredibly nice to use, the support people are almost universally wonderful.
    Also, buying a PPC based Mac now should be fine. Really, they’re extremely nice computers, they’re plenty fast and they’re going to run the latest software for a pretty long time to come.
    In fact, I’d say you should grab a PPC power mac before the Intel ones come in, because if they’re using P4s or Xeons they’ll probably temporarily lose some edge on vector processing.

  13. Richard Bennett Avatar

    Don’t mind me, I’m just a troll.
    Ever try to migrate your old emails to a new PC? It can be done, honest. Just because no one ever does it doesn’t mean that, like walking solo across Antarctica, it CAN’T be done.
    What? This is the easiest thing in the world with most e-mail programs (export, import, declare victory) and it has nothing to do with Apple vs. The Rest of Us.
    If you bought an IBM PC in 1981, you could have incrementally upgraded it all the way to a modern desktop PC without tossing more than you wanted to upgrade at each step. The biggest jump in the whole process was from the PC case to the ATX case, and that was less than $200.
    What kinda crack are you smoking, dude?
    (This message typed on a Dell)

  14. Jim S Avatar

    What it comes down to is that different things work for different people with no real rhyme or reason. I don’t care how well Dell works for anyone (Our office has a number of them and I have a Dell laptop and they have all worked pretty well, FYI.). None of that will change the fact that there is no excuse for the level of service that Jeff received. I know that I’m not impressed with hardly any computer or software tech service department currently.

  15. Richard Bennett Avatar

    Of course not all machines will work perfectly all the time; they’re only human. But most Wintel PCs are designed to be incremental upgrades from previous models with a minimum of disruption at each step. Each version of Windows is designed to run adequately on most of the installed base of computers at the time of release, and every CPU made by Intel or AMD is designed to run all the software that previous models could run.
    Apple doesn’t adhere to this sort of disciplined approach to engineering; at several points in their history they’ve introduced new machines that were radical departures from the past in terms of CPU architecture or Operating System that left substantial numbers of customers in the dust, but no upgrade path and no support.
    So while a Dell/HP/Gateway machine will sometimes not work because it’s broken and needs to be fixed, every Apple in the world will be broken by design as soon as they shift their meager resources to their new Intel machines. That’s great if you have one of the Intels and not so great if you don’t.
    But the existing Apples with the PowerPC chips are crap anyway, and that’s why Apple is dumping that design and going in a new direction. Just pay attention to what Apple is telling you: the PowerPC is no good and you shouldn’t buy it.

  16. Mumblix Grumph Avatar
    Mumblix Grumph

    Add me to the list of people that are overjoyed that you didn’t go Apple.
    Not only would you have become an insufferable ass, yammering on and on about your Mac, any PC within 50 feet of you would burst into flames or suffer completely improbable errors.
    Trust me on this, it’s happened to every Mac guy I know. I won’t let them in the house anymore.
    Besides, you would have lost all “do-it-yourself” ability as well.
    The crisis was averted again!

  17. Brian Sexton Avatar

    I have been having nothing but trouble with Dell lately myself, so it is strangely relieving to discover that I am not the only one.
    I have been too exasperated about the most recent wastes of my time to chronicle them in my journal, but the issue is still unresolved after many futile chat sessions, e-mails (to which it seems that Dell does not always bother to reply), and telephone calls. Here is the background, for anyone who is interested in reading more about my struggles with Dell:
    “A New Computer for Work, School, etc.”
    http://www.briansexton.com/writings/journal/114
    “Dude, I’m not getting a Dell.”
    http://www.briansexton.com/writings/journal/116
    “How Much Dell Sucks, Part II”
    http://www.briansexton.com/writings/journal/118
    “How Much Dell Sucks, Part III”
    http://www.briansexton.com/writings/journal/119

  18. Lisa Avatar

    Well I hope you rot for not buying a Mac. Get a clue. You’re going to be screwed again and again with those cheap ugly pcs. Yuck. Stay with Dull. We don’t care. Idiot.

  19. dfrisme Avatar
    dfrisme

    Richard Bennett:
    you wrote:
    > I bought one of the very first Macs, the 128K dual-floppy
    > machine that had to be upgraded to 512K by hand-soldering
    > sockets into the motherboard after removing the original 64K
    > DRAMS by hand and the replacing the buffer chip.
    There never was a dual floppy 128K mac. You could buy an external floppy drive, but never one with two internal drives.
    The 512K upgrade was not a solder on addition. It was basically a logic board swap. There were 3rd party upgrades that required soldering, but they were trouble prone and the Apple upgrade was was sold at a loss. (This was a minor fiasco, but it was caused by larger RAM units not being available when the machine launched as had been promised by Apple’s vendors.)
    > And later I replaced it with a hard-drive Mac XL (or something)
    > that was made obsolete when the Mac II came out.
    > Buyers of the original and XL Macs were definitely orphaned
    > and left without any support as new models came out …
    The XL was orphaned before it was available. Most people realized this and avoided them.
    The Mac XL was a LISA computer modified to run Macintosh software. Apple couldn’t sell the LISAs, because they were too expensive and underpowered. They were sold at a steep discount if you compare them to the LISA’s price. I know a fellow that bought one and installed the LISA software on it and happily ran it for years. Very few were sold with this modification. Sun Remarking bought up most of the stock from Apple as surplus and sold them for years. They may still have some left for all I know.
    However, the Mac II did not make the Mac XL obsolete. They worked as well as they ever did (not very well frankly.) The Mac II was a radically different architecture compared to either the 128/512K Mac. It was not an all in one box, it was color, and it was significantly faster. I used one for 7 years, doing animation and motion picture effects. Its architecture was open and there were loads of 3rd party upgrades and add ons. I was able to interface it to some extremely esoteric hardware and load it up with RAM multiple hard drives, multiple monitors, and extra processors. It was years ahead of its time for a desk top box.
    > … Apple declined to support new versions of the OS on older
    > hardware.
    I was able to run OS 7 on all of my Macs, including my original 128K/512K Mac, which by this time sported a Frankenstein’s array of 3rd party upgrades, none of which involved soldering to the mother board. I never tried OS 8 on it, which came out around 97 or 98. Its power board fried one hot summer afternoon, and it now sits in my computer mortuary awaiting some future archeologist’s attention :)
    > Apple’s treatment of its “installed base” has been far shoddier
    > than that of any other computer company, and after three CPU
    > architecture changes and three major OS changes, there are
    > lots of orphaned customers who can’t run new stuff on their
    > machines at all.
    This is hyperbole. My computer mortuary also contains various MS-DOS machines that could not cost effectively upgraded to Windows. My first Windows machine was a Windows 95 box and it was far cheaper to scrap it and buy a new machine to run XP. I skipped Windows 98 and 2000 and NT and various other otherwise incompatible and buggy Windows versions. Several of my older Intel boxes ARE happily running Linux now, as is one of my older Macs…
    > When you buy a machine from Apple you should be given a
    > warning that the company doesn’t plan to support your
    > system after your check has cleared, because contempt for the
    > installed base is the Apple creed.
    More hyperbole. I have had both good and bad experiences with Apple Support. I once got so mad at the tech support droid I was talking to that I was screaming into the phone. This was in the dark days just before Jobs returrned. Its much better now.
    I find that its worth it to buy the AppleCare despite its seemingly high price. If you place any value on your time, its worth it. Which is, ultimately, the main reason to buy a Mac.
    > After all, it’s not just a computer company, it’s the cult of con
    > artist Steve Jobs’ personality. Even in 1984, nobody else
    >thought you could satisfy the needs of business computing
    > with a 128K machine that could never be upgraded to use a
    > hard drive or a color display.
    Well I could reply that my upgraded 128K machine had several hard drives in its long life, starting with a serial (!) connected drive. Instead, I’ll close with this quote from another computer industry megalomaniac, a certain William Gates, who in 1981 said, ‘Why would anyone need more than 640k of memory?’

  20. Alan Kellogg Avatar

    Richard,
    Apple isn’t switching to Intel PC chips, Intel is expanding to make chips for the Mac. It’s not just a matter of software architecture, it’s also a matter of hardware architecture. A DOS box versus a Unix box. The Mac OS works on a Unix box, so Intel will be making Unix chips for Apple.
    So why go to Intel?
    iPods are selling well, and they run off a modified Mac OS. Then again, Apple could be planning on expanded Mac sales as more and more people grow tired of the instabilities and security issues inherent in DOS boxes and their software.
    The PC was designed for people who like to muck around with the innards. The Mac was designed for people who need something that works.

  21. Franz Avatar

    Apple is great, good choice. they have lousy drm, though. even joi ito admits that most of us are seduced by their design, all the same there remain some critical points.

  22. John LeBlanc Avatar

    “DOS boxes”?
    “The PC was designed for people who like to muck around with the innards. The Mac was designed for people who need something that works.”
    That must be great tasting iKoolaide you got there, Alan.
    What really works at Apple is their marketing.
    John

  23. Noel Guinane Avatar

    John, have you ever owned an Apple machine? The reason Apple have an excellent reputation has nothing to do with their marketing but has entirely to do with their machines and software being reliable, easy to use and beautifully designed, both inside and out. Those of us who own Apples and have had Windows-based PC’s inflicted on us at work are not confused about the difference in quality.

  24. FH Alexander Avatar
    FH Alexander

    I’m so happy to hear that you ended up buying an apple. My wife is about to put in her two weeks notice at Dell and I cannot wait to unleash my fury upon them once she is out of there.
    If you think it’s bad dealing with their external customer service, you would be stunned to find out what it’s like inside. No my wife doesn’t work as a computer builder, she has a real deal, white collar, nice paying job – and she’s been trying for over a year to get out of it.
    Dell is an awful company and they are proof that ad dollars buy positive media coverage. From being named the most admired company, to being named a positive place to work by Women’s Engineering Magazine there is nothing which exists within Dell that is good from my point of view.
    I wish you all the best with your new Apple….

  25. Mike (EVDO Guy) Avatar

    BTW, for anyone finding this topic, who is looking for the Novatel V620 Mac OS X drivers, we released them to the general public on our web site:
    http://www.evdoinfo.com/Tips/PC_5220/Mac_OS_X_Novatel_V620_Drivers_%10_Installer_20050701461/

  26. Richard Bennett Avatar

    I upgraded the memory on my 128K Mac the only way it could be done at the time, with a soldering iron and solder sucker. If there had been an easier way, I would have used it.
    It had measly memory (the PC at the time could take up to 640K of DRAM, and more with LIM) because Jef Raskin had taken the ideological position that no computer needed more than one bank of the DRAM technology of the day, and sockets for DRAM were evil.
    My next MAC was actually an SE rather than an XL, still a piece of crap but not nearly as bad as the 128K Mac.
    Macs are for people who care more about the appearance of the box than what’s inside it.

  27. Richard Bennett Avatar

    BTW, Alan Kellog is lying; Apple is switching to Intel x86 chips, just like the one in the Dell.

  28. Noel Guinane Avatar

    Richard, if Macs are more about pretty packaging than what’s inside it, perhaps you’d explain to us why Dell is interested in licensing the Mac operating system on the Intel platform.
    http://www.fortune.com/fortune/fastforward/0,15704,1072719,00.html

  29. dfrisme Avatar
    dfrisme

    > I upgraded the memory on my 128K Mac the only way it could be
    > done at the time, with a soldering iron and solder sucker. If there
    > had been an easier way, I would have used it.
    The Fat Mac 512K upgrade was availble from Apple for $400 within 6 months of the Mac’s launch. To be honest, the 128K was fine at the time, because there was essentially no software for the Mac other than MacPaint, MacWrite, and MacDraw. By the time Multiplan (the predessor to Excel) became availble, I had my upgrade. At that time, the only way to program for the Mac was to use a “special” LISA based cross development system. That coupled with the fact that the Mac was very “different” to program, meant that there was very little software at first. If you bought a 128K Mac, like I did, then you were a pioneer, and should have expected a few arrows in the back… ;)
    > My next MAC was actually an SE rather than an XL, still a piece > of crap but not nearly as bad as the 128K Mac.
    My brother-in-law had an SE, and he ran his law practice on it for years, until he became a judge and was forced to use the goverment’s Window’s machine. He uses a Mac at home.
    > Macs are for people who care more about the appearance of
    > the box than what’s inside it.
    I suspect this was intended as an attack on the platform, but most Mac users would agree that appearences are important. Macs have always had excellent industrial design (with a few notable exceptions!) My current G5 tower is a wonder to look at and is a snap to work on. No screws, no fiddling with weird catches, just pop it open and slide things in and out. And its the fasted 3D rendering box I’ve ever used.
    And my clients, those people who pay me money, think its pretty cool looking too.
    My 20 inch G5 iMac, that I used at home, is a virtual floating screen that takes up almost no desk space. Adding extra memory was a 5 minute job, though I suspect that changing out the hard drive would be more complicated. Its also fast enough that I can even bring home some of my work if I need to, although I prefer not to :) Its great for watching movies on (who needs a high def TV.) I do a bit off software development and web design as well, so the extra screen real estate is pretty nice.
    I spend over 12 hours a day staring at my computers’ screens, so looks and human factors are damned important. I don’t wear cheap shoes because they hurt my feet, and I don’t use cheap displays because they are bad for my eyes.
    BTW, calling people a liar is an argumentum ad hominem that does little to forward your case. A little politeness goes a long way in helping people to understand your point of view.

  30. Richard Bennett Avatar

    I don’t mince words, dfrisme, if somebody lies I say so and if a computer’s a piece of crap I say that too.
    I don’t recall the Fat Mac upgrade coming out so soon. I got my Mac in Feb, ’84 and did the memory upgrade in the HW lab at Excelan in December.
    The portions of the computer that you interface with directly (screen, keyboard, mouse) are third-party components that don’t have much to do with the manufacturer of the CPU box in the case of most computers, so there’s no real connection between the industrial design of the box and that stuff.
    Noel, Dell is all about offering choices to their customers and getting a good price from their suppliers helps the bottom line. If Apple was to license their OS to Dell (and it’s not clear they can since it’s based in Mach, a variety of Unix) Dell could bargain for better prices from MS, which is probably the same reason they sell Linux today.
    From what I hear the Mach implementation that Apple sells isn’t all that bad, it’s just the boutique hardware that screws you up with the Apple platform in terms of high prices, poor reliability, and poor performance. Granted, Apples do some things well just not the things that most people want.

  31. Noel Guinane Avatar

    Richard, I think the reason Dell are interested in licensing Apple’s OS is because they know it’s the best out there and are looking to increase revenue anyway they can. Since they don’t produce any innovative software or hardware themselves, they have to rely on others to obtain it.

  32. Noel Guinane Avatar

    Also, if what you’re saying is true and Dell only want to license Apple’s OS as a bargaining chip to get better prices from Microsoft, it would be a pretty poor card to play if the mac operating system was just a pretty box.
    Microsoft would have no incentive to fall for the ploy, don’t you think?

  33. dfrisme Avatar
    dfrisme

    Richard Bennett:
    > I don’t mince words, dfrisme, if somebody lies I say so and if a
    > computer’s a piece of crap I say that too.
    Calling someone a liar who is, at worst, merely mistaken, is churlish and is not ingratiating to those whom you may be trying to convince. And in fact, no one knows what processor will be in the Apple Intel boxes. The development machine they have released are using stock Intel chips, but deployment is at least a year away. There has been valid speculation that Intel may make special chips that use vector processing technology that Apple owns, or maybe a new generation of chips yet to be announced. Steve Jobs and Paul Otellini probably know, you and I and Mr. Kellog don’t.
    > I don’t recall the Fat Mac upgrade coming out so soon. I got
    > my Mac in Feb, ’84 and did the memory upgrade in the HW lab
    > at Excelan in December.
    The Fat Mac upgrades came out as soon as the larger chipsets became available. Around the end or summer or early fall of ’84 if I remember correctly. By years end, there were 3rd party upgrades that allowed you to upgrade to 2 meg (!) with a mother board mod. Of course this much RAM cost nearly as much as the rest of the machine … and voided your warrenty.
    > The portions of the computer that you interface with directly
    > (screen, keyboard, mouse) are third-party components that
    > don’t have much to do with the manufacturer of the CPU box
    > in the case of most computers, so there’s no real connection
    > between the industrial design of the box and that stuff.
    My keyboard and monitor (flat panel) are of Apple manufacture. The mouse is a Microsoft optical wheel mouse. While I actually like the Apple one button mouse, too much of my software wants me to use the extra buttons. I also use a 9×12 Wacom tablet that is _very_ well designed and was not cheap.
    Industrial design incorporates form and function. Apple is a well know leader in this field. And on a laptop, industrial design is the whole show. In case of laptops, the show belongs to Apple. My Ti Powerbook is like a Swiss watch. The powerbooks are often used by people who never install Mac OS on them at all.
    Your comments on Mach and CPUs don’t make much sense. A little research goes a long way, but most people don’t care about kernels. If its important to you, you might start here
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mach_kernel
    As for Apple’s “boutique” hardware, the prices may be higher than the lower cost boxen at the big box stores, but the quality is excellent. If you are willing to pay for the service (and Jeff apparently was) then the current Apple Care is a standard other computer makers should study. As for performance, I would guess that I consume more cycles than 98% of most end users and I find Apple a very price competitive number cruncher.

  34. Richard Bennett Avatar

    Let’s try and make this real simple: if Macs were half as good as you Kool-Aid drinkers say they are, nobody would ever buy anything else. But that’s not the way things are, is it?

  35. dfrisme Avatar
    dfrisme

    Nothing simple about human psychology. Or haven’t you noticed? If number of units sold = quality then MacDonald’s grease-burgers are the haut cuisine of the human race.
    There was nothing Kool-Aid drinking about my comments. I called Apple out on several occasions and stated that Microsoft makes a mouse good enough for me to use instead of the Apple mouse. I could write a book on my various troubles and adventures with Apple. However, in my experience the balance sheet is heavily in Apple’s favor for the type of work I do and for normal consumer usuage.
    Calling me a Kool-Aid drinker is another attempt at argumentum ad hominem. I don’t remember calling you any names during this discussion. This basically tells me you don’t have any reasonable or useful point to make at this point, and are simply barking at me.

  36. Alan Kellogg Avatar

    Richard Bennet is an amateur troll with pretensions to professional status. Facts matter not, only the opportunity to snark and bloviate. Add in a willful ignorance and you get the reason for his lack of advancement.
    Apple is not a PC manufacturer, Apple is a Macintosh manufacturer. Yes, Intel does make chips and chip sets for PCs, but there is no reason why Intel cannot make chips and chip sets for Macs. With Apple’s lead in MP3 players the company would need a larger source of chips, for what is essentially a modified Macintosh.
    Richard and his kind are insisting that Apple has to be switching to PCs. I say it is far more likely that Intel is expanding her business instead.
    And, Richard, MS software for the Mac is usually better than the version they produce for the PC.

  37. Richard Bennett Avatar

    None of the press reports on Apple’s conversion reinforce Alan Kellog’s speculations. I can only conclude – and this is supported by his aggressive response – that’s he’s an idiot.

  38. sofacake Avatar
    sofacake

    Ah Richard. Calm down. It’s only a computer after all.

  39. Chris Knight Avatar

    Apple makes a beautiful laptop, but their ‘Apple Care’ leaves a bit to be desired as well. They don’t even fully support the applications that come on the OS X 10.4 install DVD…
    http://www.ghostwheel.com/~merlin/Personal/notes/?p=52
    -Chris

  40. cari Avatar

    I stumbled upon your blog when trying to do my own troubleshooting for my own dell lemon. I can totally feel your pain!!!! First off I want to thank you for the names of the dell head honcho’s I think I need to send an e-mail to them as well!
    I too am in my own private dell hell! My computer is less than two weeks old and have had hours of calls being put on hold for ever only be bounced back to different departments each telling me different things that are Dells policy and I have had two tech visits! I have wasted two whole days with tech visits and bouncing from department to department via phone….. got disconnected a few times too, so frustrating!
    I have turned into a giant stress ball since getting this machine. I have hardware and software issues, and today took the cake when I was verbally attacked by a Sr. tech ED ( aka jerk off) who told me “I” screwed up my computer, when I was doing exactly what the tech department told me to do……….ARRRRRRRRRRRRR! He also told me that Dell puts software on the computer that conflicts but they probably do it for the kickback if someone upgrades, nice huh….Ed did not hold back. He was extremely rude and condescending and definitely not compassionate to my situation. What ever happened to the customer is always right? He also told me that they shipped out a upgrade of the software that was not supposed to go out until next week so that is why tech was not able to help me with some of my situations. I have literally wasted days stressing out about this computer. It is so not worth the anxiety it is causing me.
    I was told on Friday that I can return my computer and they would pay the shipping but I would pay for the boxes for reshipping since I threw them out (not knowing that my computer would suck so bad — I had my last computer for 5 years and had great customer service) I told the rep at that time that I would call back if my tech visit was unsuccessful today. I was hoping that the tech visit would be successful as I did not want to shell out $70 to have UPS pack up my computer. Today that deal for free shipping is non existent and they would only replace my system, what????? I feel like I am at a used car sales lot and dealing with a bunch of scammers all telling me different lies. Well, as expected my tech visit was unsuccessful and discovered an entirely new problem when trying to uninstall (I get an system error message when trying to remove programs) a program that ED said conflicted with my cd writing program, provided by dell. Basically, he told me the system is corrupted, Ed was upset that I did not want to stay on the phone with him another hour to troubleshoot (we had already talked for two hours), and told me he would not authorize and exchange! I guess he is not as powerful as he thought….HA!
    When I got the machine my e-drive didn’t even open….I guess they don’t test these things before they go out. I too paid for the service contact and only bought a dell because it had tech support, I have cannot remember as an adult feeling so frustrated!!
    Do you have any tips on how to make sure that I have all sensitive data off my computer before I return it…besides doing a system restore and deleting cookies and temp internet files. I am scared that I may have sensitive information in the registry. Or if you know anywhere I can get computer boxes…..
    Sorry this turned into being a rant….I guess misery loves company….good luck with your new computer, wish me luck with mine!!!

  41. cari Avatar

    I stumbled upon your blog when trying to do my own troubleshooting for my own dell lemon. I can totally feel your pain!!!! First off I want to thank you for the names of the dell head honcho’s I think I need to send an e-mail to them as well!
    I too am in my own private dell hell! My computer is less than two weeks old and have had hours of calls being put on hold for ever only be bounced back to different departments each telling me different things that are Dells policy and I have had two tech visits! I have wasted two whole days with tech visits and bouncing from department to department via phone….. got disconnected a few times too, so frustrating!
    I have turned into a giant stress ball since getting this machine. I have hardware and software issues, and today took the cake when I was verbally attacked by a Sr. tech ED ( aka jerk off) who told me “I” screwed up my computer, when I was doing exactly what the tech department told me to do……….ARRRRRRRRRRRRR! He also told me that Dell puts software on the computer that conflicts but they probably do it for the kickback if someone upgrades, nice huh….Ed did not hold back. He was extremely rude and condescending and definitely not compassionate to my situation. What ever happened to the customer is always right? He also told me that they shipped out a upgrade of the software that was not supposed to go out until next week so that is why tech was not able to help me with some of my situations. I have literally wasted days stressing out about this computer. It is so not worth the anxiety it is causing me.
    I was told on Friday that I can return my computer and they would pay the shipping but I would pay for the boxes for reshipping since I threw them out (not knowing that my computer would suck so bad — I had my last computer for 5 years and had great customer service) I told the rep at that time that I would call back if my tech visit was unsuccessful today. I was hoping that the tech visit would be successful as I did not want to shell out $70 to have UPS pack up my computer. Today that deal for free shipping is non existent and they would only replace my system, what????? I feel like I am at a used car sales lot and dealing with a bunch of scammers all telling me different lies. Well, as expected my tech visit was unsuccessful and discovered an entirely new problem when trying to uninstall (I get an system error message when trying to remove programs) a program that ED said conflicted with my cd writing program, provided by dell. Basically, he told me the system is corrupted, Ed was upset that I did not want to stay on the phone with him another hour to troubleshoot (we had already talked for two hours), and told me he would not authorize and exchange! I guess he is not as powerful as he thought….HA!
    When I got the machine my e-drive didn’t even open….I guess they don’t test these things before they go out. I too paid for the service contact and only bought a dell because it had tech support, I have cannot remember as an adult feeling so frustrated!!
    Do you have any tips on how to make sure that I have all sensitive data off my computer before I return it…besides doing a system restore and deleting cookies and temp internet files. I am scared that I may have sensitive information in the registry. Or if you know anywhere I can get computer boxes…..
    Sorry this turned into being a rant….I guess misery loves company….good luck with your new computer, wish me luck with mine!!!

  42. Rob Dosogne Avatar
    Rob Dosogne

    Working for a Dell reseller, I see a lot of these machines–they are crap. I use 3 brand new Dells and one garbage little AOpen machine in my office, and the AOpen is the most reliable one.
    Apple on the other hand, is even more reliable.. I ran my PowerBook G3 for 5 years with approximately 10 days total downtime (yay hurricanes with weeklong power outages) and it is still in amazing shape and completely reliable. I now have a G5 as well, and it is incredible–almost as incredible as an Alpha.
    Which brings me to my next point.. The new chips Intel is designing are coming from the brains that were in charge of Alpha development. HPaq may have scrapped the best processor they ever bought-out, but Intel will be pumping out the good stuff real soon.
    As for Dell Support, the only time I ever bothered to call them, was to get an RMA for 2 machines with faulty CD-ROM drives.. 1 machine’s parallel port was toast too. 3 out of 18 in an order were bunk. What did they tell me? “Try replacing the CD-ROM drive with one that you know works.. or reinstall windows” as if I hadn’t already done both. Don’t get an OptiPlex GX280.
    Buy Apple–you won’t be disappointed.

  43. Benton Avatar

    When will they learn? It just works. Parts suppliers are not promoted.
    MACINTOSH now, MACINTOSH tomorrow and MACINTOSH forever!