The Mob Times

The Mob Times

: I thought we’d be moving past l’affaires’ Jordan and “Gannon” today — I’m jealous of Jay Rosen’s certainty when he headlined his latest good post “Closing Thoughts on the Resignation of Eason Jordan” — but there is more to say about this story, in part because some are trying to make blogs the story rather than Jordan or the White House or the powerful.

Some are trying to call blogs a “lynch mob.” Here’s what I said in reply to that yesterday on MSNBC:

If seeking truth from power is the action of a lynch mob, then all of journalism is a lynch mob and welcome to it.

We’ve also heard efforts to call this “McCarthyism.”

Well now, that’s ludicrous on so many levels, even the definitional: If anyone practiced that thankfully dead art, it could be argued it was Jordan because he as much as held up an unseen piece of paper and said, I have a list; he said he knew something we didn’t. He then backtracked and backtracked again because he was questioned by people who demanded to know what he said and what he knew. If a tough reporter did that, would it be “McCarthyism” or “journalism.” It’s journalism, people.

Now here’s Hardblogger calling bloggers — fellow bloggers, it would seem by the title, no? — the “Taliban of the American media” and the “Gang of Four.” This comes from Chris Matthews’ show called Hardball where the goal is to ask hard questions of power. If that’s journalism, so is this, eh?

At home, I have an old post that William Randolph Hearst hung on the walls of his newsrooms to remind his reporters of their jobs; I’ll dig it up and quote it tomorrow. For now, though, etch this in brass and hang it on the newsroom — and J-school — wall:

Welcome to the new world of journalism, where every witness to news can report the news, thanks to the internet; where every citizen can question the powerful, thanks to the internet; where every speaker can be a pundit, thanks to the internet. Journalism is no longer the closed society of the gatekeepers. Journalism can no longer just lecture; now it must listen. News is freed from the limitations of paper and schedules and reporters’ pens. Journalists should welcome the help, for journalists should believe that more information yields a more informed society and that is our goal.

So why are some of these journalists attacking the bloggers with such spittle and spite, with the kind of invective they usually try to keep out of their columns (Steve Lovelady called us not just a lynch mob but “salivating morons,” stooping to the level of intelligence, subtlety, nuance, and articulation of an Oliver Willis fuss)? Yes, it’s jealousy. Yes, it’s fear. But it’s also truly about not understanding how this world could possibly operate. These are the people who used to control the news and they think it’s now uncontrolled; they think that’s bad. Listen to Lovelady after he took his meds:

But it’s no longer the Jeff Jarvises or the David Gergens or Journal editorial writers who drive these matters to a conclusion. It’s the headless mob.

Some think that’s a good thing, others see anarchy unloosed. As for us, we’re with Gergen and the Wall Street Journal editorial writer. This one is not a case of the wisdom of crowds; it’s a case of the madness of crowds.

You got it reversed, my friend. The head isn’t the journalists. The head isn’t the politicians. The head is the people.

We work for the public. We serve the public. The public is our boss. Remember?

If you don’t believe the public is capable of that — if you don’t believe in the wisdom of the crowd — then (I’ve said it before and, be warned, I’ll say it again) you don’t believe in democracy or free markets or reformed religion or art. If you think you’re smarter and better than the people, you set yourself up for a fall — especially today, when the people own the press.

Are there bloggers who get so mad they issue spittle and spite? Sure (heck, look at Lovelady himself). But are all bloggers like that? Do you judge the society by its worst? There are journalists who make mistakes and even lie and cheat. Do you judge the profession by its worst? Are there New Yorkers who murder? Do you judge the city by its worst? Out of fear, you do.

If anyone’s going too far these days, I think it is the few — and I emphasize few — who are still digging to destroy “Gannon” after he’s already toast (I do not approve of the old-style tabloid vindictiveness going on in some of the links in the comments). They forget that their real target is not this jerk, “Gannon.” It is the White House. Remember: Question the powerful.

In the case of Jordan, we bloggers questioned the powerful and apparently the powerful didn’t have an answer; if they had, CNN would not have gotten rid of him. Where there’s smoke, there’s often fire — but not necessarily from lynch-mob torches.

Should we bloggers and we journalists keep watch on each other to improve the quality of discourse and the reliability of the reporting? You bet. That’s what these journalists are trying to do with bloggers. And that’s what the bloggers were trying to do with CNN.

But I can’t resist noting whose language — lynch mob, McCarthyism, Taliban, Gang of Four, morons — was the more fiery and who sounded more like a lynch mob.

: See also: Howard Kurtz: “The power of the blogosphere, I’d suggest, is not in raw numbers but in ideas that garner attention.”

: See also: Charlie Madigan in the Chicago Tribune:

Shut up with your whining and appreciate the fact that after generations of stagnation, something new has arrived….

So, they all get to climb up on a pedestal now and thump their chests and prounounce, “Got another one!”

This isn’t going to stop and I would argue, even more uncomfortably, that it shouldn’t.

What new media gets to do now is exactly what old media got to do back when it was new media, which is work out how it is going to be.

[via Glenn]

: LATER: Roger L. Simon does a Googlejuice audit. Just to be fair, the other Jeff Jarvises include a jazz musician and a tourism somethingorother in Australia. I, of course, like to believe I am the Jeff Jarvis.

159 responses to “The Mob Times”

  1. Micah Sifry Avatar

    Jeff–I totally agree with you about the overarching trend. We all can be journalists now. But that shouldn’t stop anyone from asking, what kind of journalist? If you don’t like lynch mobs, see if you think what some bloggers did to Mitch Ratcliffe after he expressed a reasonable dissent to the “Easongate” consensus amounts to a highpoint or a lowpoint for public discourse. I blogged about it here: http://www.personaldemocracy.com/node/361
    As for Gannon, I think the most interesting thing to do now is, as William Safire would have put it were he still columnizing, to “walk the dog back” and see what other stories “Jeff Gannon” peddled and who bought them. If it turns out that Gannon helped tip a Senate race, say, would you argue that there’s nothing left to discuss?
    Micah

  2. David Avatar

    Actually, Dan Rather was practicing McCarthiate tactics
    When is it acceptable to lie?
    Tail Gunner Joe was convinced he was right – Communists had infiltrated the US Govt and needed to be expunged from it. So he lied. Invented a list, and then proceeded to use his power to root out those who would destroy America.
    Dan Rather was convinced that GWB evaded service in the Military. Certainly at the end of his duty, that appears to be true. So Dan used false documents to prove it. He used his power as anchor on the CBS news to propigate the lie. When caught, he obsfucated and stonewalled.
    Finally both were brought down.
    Is there any difference?

  3. Cdawg Avatar

    Pardon my pedantry, but if you have to pretend you speak French, at least try to get it right. It should be “les affaires”, not “l’affaires”.

  4. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Merci.

  5. Aaron Avatar

    Gannon tipping a Senate race.
    Yep. I guess it’s in the realm of the possible.
    Meanwhile Rather keeps his job.
    Who do you think really could tip a race, Gannon or Rather?

  6. Observer Avatar

    You’re a goddamn fucking stooge and tool, Mr. Jarvis.
    Nobody is trying to burn burnt toast!
    They are (despite the smug attitude of corporate media whores and their defenders, such as you) PROVING that the Bush White House has reached new depths in attempting to surround itself with a friendly press.
    You don’t think that bringing Guckert’s face into the light will lead to new discoveries about his clients, including some influential DC / Military / Gov’t / Republican / DINO big shots?
    Where is the “lynch mob” you refer to, Mr. Jarvis? Name some names, why don’t you?
    “Lynching”, in case you’ve forgotten, means enforcing the death penalty without cause or sufficient view to the facts. It means to kill someone based not on real crimes they have committed, but because of the color of their skin, their sexual orientation or the mere supposition of wrongdoing.
    None of that is going on here, and you know that damn well, you pompous propagandass!
    Your attitude is to try to “lynch” the facts: James D. Guckert was a convicted tax cheat according to easily obtainable public records. Yet neither the FBI nor the Secret Service thought that important and gave him continuous access to the White House and the President?
    Maybe the glue has affected your olfactory glands, but that doesn’t pass the smell test.
    Somebody in the White House WANTED Guckert in the press briefings and went out of their way to AVOID doing a background check on him.
    That makes the story both about Guckert AND the Gov’t.
    Add to this the incontrovertable fact that he had a CrackerJack box pedigree in journalism, as well as his strange relation to the Plame case and the timeline of his career switch, and this goes everywhere all at once.
    Again, I dare you to name ONE “lyncher”, let alone a “mob”.
    Fortunately, your unpopular and non-influential blog won’t dissuade the public from demanding to know more about Guckert, his GOP connections, his White House connections and just how corporate media became the whorehouse it is today.
    Did you listen to CSPAN yesterday or today?
    I’d suggest you get a clue, but you obviously don’t want any.
    They would only get in the way of your agenda: to attempt to quell a legitimate investigation that has just begun to get underway.
    Here’s a suggestion for you: Ask Ken Mehlman if he feels the Guckert matter makes gays look bad and if that offends him personally. Then ask David Dreier.
    Have fun!

  7. carsonfire Avatar

    A right wing blogger noticed that same language over the weekend, and pointed out that the left wing bloggers who tripped over each other to destroy nobody nothing Gannon (influence a senate race!) have managed to give the gatekeepers an excuse to discredit *all* citizen media, right AND left wing.
    Technically true. What will the White House’s response be to the Gannon “scandal”? Are there any independent left-leaning news services on the White House pool? Buh-bye! Replace them all with real FoxNews reporters.

  8. J. Peden Avatar

    Perhaps the Loveladies of the Elites should read Goebbles in praise of “good propaganda” = any propaganda which keeps the Pure, by definition the Facsist State, in power, and in control: there was an “evil Jew influence” based upon their indidious presence in some media – newspapers, which the Nazis had “fortuneately” cleansed.
    Now is it bloggers = free thought and speech in the internet who are the evil infuence? The rabid, frothing, lynch mob, Mccarthyist, Lilliputian, Little Brother morons of headless masses who are ruining all that is holy = the MSM + Columbia School of Journalisms, whose true purpose is to intuit the real values and thoughts of the noble, but just unable to express their own thought-values, citizenry, so that they finally become able to see that “the right thing is the right thing”, that is, whatever Goebbles/Loveladies say it is in service of keeping control in the hands of the MSM “State”, the Pure, the Benevolent, the Tellers of Truths, those in control for the sake of control, the “Nazis”, Themselves.
    Or perhaps the Loveladies have actually modeled themselves upon J.P. Goebbles-ism, or have merely become enlightenedly in tune with this knowledge via channelling this Ideal from the “pleroma”, the collective unconscous which is or creates all reality: The Right Thing Is The Right Thing, that is, whatever I say it is, because I am me?
    And I therefore pronounce these proceedings “Off-Record”.
    [Goebbles at Nuremberg, 1932?]

  9. Mark Poling Avatar

    Ah, reasoned discourse…
    List of clues:
    – You lost 95% of your credibility at “You’re a goddamn fucking stooge…”
    – “They are (despite the smug attitude of corporate media whores and their defenders, such as you) PROVING that the Bush White House has reached new depths in attempting to surround itself with a friendly press.” (Personally, if I were the White House press secretary, I’d want to have nothing but attack dogs from The Nation covering me, but that’s because I’m an idiot.)
    – “Again, I dare you to name ONE “lyncher”, let alone a “mob”.” — Democratic Underground.
    – “Fortunately, your unpopular and non-influential blog won’t dissuade the public from demanding to know more about Guckert, his GOP connections, his White House connections and just how corporate media became the whorehouse it is today.” — And how often have you been asked toa appear on CNN, Mr. Observer?
    What’s funnier than all this is I’m sure Mr. Observer considers himself to be one of the intellectual elite….
    Sorry, needed a troll toss this morning. I pledge never to feed them here again.

  10. GMRoper Avatar

    Jeff, you are awarded one “ATTABOY” from the International Association of Attaboy and Attagirl Awarders (IAAAA).
    For more information on this exceptional award please click on my name.

  11. SloppyDawg Avatar
    SloppyDawg

    Replace them all with real FoxNews reporters.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Wow, that is funny! Obviously, Carsonfire, you’ve taken your name from the recently departed comedy great, Johnny Carson, because you have a great sense of humor.
    As funny as your post was, let me add to it a little bit:
    “Replace them all with real FoxNews reporters, like Carl Cameron, whose head is so far up Bush’s ass that he can be considered the President’s official food taster.”

  12. Birkel Avatar

    Observer,
    I look forward to your expose’ of Sandy Berger’s misplacing of documents in the National Archives.
    Now that you’re setting the world a-right I’ll sleep better.

  13. Jim in Texas Avatar
    Jim in Texas

    Something occurred to me during the Eason Jordan flap.
    Why, exactly, did he get fired and/or resigned?
    Would you fire Fred if a bunch of people, most who didn

  14. Mike Landfair Avatar

    “If you don’t believe the public is capable of that — if you don’t believe in the wisdom of the crowd — then (I’ve said it before and, be warned, I’ll say it again) you don’t believe in democracy or free markets or reformed religion or art. If you think you’re smarter and better than the people, you set yourself up for a fall — especially today, when the people own the press.”
    This is the problem with statism: the idea that an elite knows better than the crowd or market.
    Mover Mike

  15. beetroot Avatar

    Jeff:
    Here’s what I don’t think you get with this post: Any attempt to distinguish “the leadership of the people” from “the unruly mob” is doomed to fail, because the two are one and the same. Just because something represents the authentic voice of the people doesn’t mean that it does NOT represent a dangerous, uncontrollable force.
    Our founding fathers knew this. That’s why we don’t have a direct democracy, and why so many layers of mediation lie between “the people” and the exercise of power.
    What does this mean for journalism and blogs? It means that what one has to grapple with is whether, by virtue of being “an authentic voice of the people,” blogs are dangerous.
    Dangerous how? Sometimes the voice of the people demands the head of whoever is challenging their beliefs. Certainly that was the case with Rathergate – sure, he screwed up, and deserved to be taken to task for it, but his primary crime wasn’t rushing a story to air, but being an America-hater. That’s what a big chunk of “the people” believe, and that’s what they acted on.
    My personal concern is not that blogs will be used to “ask hard questions of power.” It is that blogs will be used as a vehicle to demand that power adhere to whatever orthodoxy the blogger in question doesn’t want challenged.

  16. Tim Avatar

    Not that most of us needed any clues, but reading the comments in response to Jarvis’s post makes it exceedingly clear who is winning and, more importantly, who is losing. But that’s probably no surprise to the losers either, as their bile betrays they know they’ve been losers for a long time. Maybe, once (if) they get over their anger, they’ll figure out why they are losers and do something intelligent and mature about it. Until then, any hope of them contributing anything remotely useful to civil discourse of civic affairs is vanishingly small. But life moves on, and I’m not holding my breath waiting for them to figure it out.

  17. htom Avatar

    It seems to me that in the last couple of decades “the press” has gone from being “the 4th estate” to being “the publisher of the chosen press releases”.
    The internet — at least the blogosphere corner of it — is upsetting that. I don’t know if “The Press” is more upset about the loss of control or the loss of money or the loss of influence or the loss of privilege … but it’s like they’re going through the stages of grief.
    I’m also reminded of that Gandhi quote (is it real?)
    “First they ignore you,
    Then they laugh at you,
    Then they attack you,
    And then you win.”

  18. Angelos Avatar

    Well, vitriol aside, Observer is right.
    All you Gannon defenders from the thread of a couple days ago, now that it has been shown that Gannon is a tax-evading gay prostitute with zero journalism experience working for a “news service” with zero credibility, is this still a non-story?
    Does this not raise questions about every bit of hypocricy this White House practices?
    If Gannon, Kerik, Gonzales can survive the vetting and background check process, what does this say about our “homeland security”?
    And what about the right-wing media, Foxx, CNN, Rush, etc.? Yes, I realize they’re paid to be mouthpieces, not to actually, you know, investigate anything. What about the Green Footballs and the PowerLines? They crow and crow about busting Rathergate open. And good for them, that was a nice find. But this story? Ooooh, this is an invasion of privacy, a witchhunt, a non-story.
    What does this matter, they say? Who cares that he’s gay. Well, I don’t, and McClellan and Mehlman don’t (wink wink), but all the “morality” Republicans sure think fags are second class citizens. Shouldn’t the morality Republicans be bothered by all the beefcake shots of JG available online, from lovingly yanking his woody, to urinating, to spreading his ass-cheeks, etc. etc. etc. Throw in the fact that prostitution is illegal. The fact that in the military it’s worthy of court-martial and all things dishonorable.
    Yeah, you’re right, nothing to see here.
    John at AmericaBlog did more digging for this story than and major media employee has done in a long time. The full trail of receipts, photos, messages, etc. can be found here.
    What a joke this Bush administration is. The MOST unethical organization in the history of “democratic” politics. And that’s saying something, given Italy’s comical history. And what a joke its supporters make of themselves.

  19. Birkel Avatar

    beetroot,
    Why worry? So long as the discussion is open to all the forces that blogs create will push in every direction. And where does one get pushed when one is pushed on all sides? Nowhere, of course.
    Free and open discourse is the answer.

  20. carsonfire Avatar

    That may be the broadest brush I’ve ever seen anybody paint with, Angelos.
    As long as you’re pointing to that thread, why don’t you take a shot at answering the last post? We now have the incredible suggestion that Gannon was bad because he — gasp! — might have influenced a senate race by virtue of his existence. Even if this were true, it still doesn’t come close to matching up with RatherGate, a comparison you tried to make.
    “Angelos, how does Gannon equate with the RatherGate memos? I’m still not entirely sure what Gannon did wrong, apart from being a nobody lightweight with some mildly amusing skeletons in his closet… contrast with Rather, a powerful anchorman for a major network trying to push obvious forgeries on the public shortly before an election.
    The Gannon story for most of us is a story not because of Gannon but because of the absurd and unprincipled depths that guys like Kos and Atrios sink to in order to attack political opponents (and rather minor and inconsequential opponents, at that!). Again, by contrast, nobody questioned Rather’s sexuality or private behavior (apart from some who drew intrigueing but ultimately unimportant comparisons between the AWOL charges and Rather’s own Marine experience), but instead investigated his memos in great detail. Same thing with Eason Jordan, to some extent: he did himself in with his own words, his accusations and his back-pedaling.
    Carrick Talmadge is right; many on the right *would* be popping champagne corks, if the behavior of the fringe left weren’t so sad to watch.”

  21. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Angelos: The focus of the “Gannon” story should be the White House and proving that they knowingly let this bozo in so he would ask bozo questions. Question power. He’s long since established as a bozo and I’m not arguing with his bozoness one bit. Stipulated. The story that is still out there is the White House’s complicity in this. Keep asking those questions.

  22. Pouncer Avatar

    If we’re really a lynch mob can we get a rope around Michael Ware next?
    If we’re not — can we have a reasonable discussion about the ethics of a news service which puts only ONE journalist into a conflict with orders to report from a close-up intimate perspective on the thugs AND their victims AND the cops AND the survivors AND the reactions of the locals to the news?
    Isn’t there some sort of risk of such conflict of interest that at least one of these groups loses faith in the journalist? What if one the groups losing faith is heavily armed?

  23. Franky Avatar

    This left-right divide in the blogosphere is an interesting one. Atrios touched on it today in the case of Jonah Goldberg who writes for Washington Times, where the editor regularly assigns work to his white supremacist wife (without anyone acknowledging the relationship) yet no one says anything. Fox gives regular work to Ann Coulter (who recently said she wished army would shoot journalists, wanted planes flown in to NYT building) and has on their staff a convicted perjurer, Oliver North.
    Yet, the blogosphere goes wild about a comment a CNN executive may or may not have said, and if he did he retracted it immediately, or Ward Churchill’s years’ old essay.
    The White House allows in a fictious journlist from a fictious news agency to ask fictious questions who in all likelihood is a prostitute, and Jeff “I am too a leftie, why even Hewitt called me one yesterday” Jarvis ploughs on demanding that CNN be exposed.
    I must admit I’m slghtly jealous that the right appear to have a near monopoly of dictating what the news agenda is, but then I wonder if I would want to be one of those who could just get outraged at the scandal du jour?

  24. ouch Avatar

    Anglos
    You know, your comments about the Bush administration are amusing. Now, if he’s as bad as you say he is, and you guys have lost the last 2 elections to President Bush and the Republican party, please tell me what that says about you and YOUR supporters. Now I would say THAT is actually funny. Who did you say was a joke?

  25. Ray_G Avatar

    I find the MSM concern about a “lynch mob” mentality amusing if you consider how the MSM has behaved in the past over scandals, real and imagined. It is long past time that the MSM be held accountable for some of their actions, and I would assert that there are some heads out there that deserve to be collected. The wonderful thing about the Internet and blogs is now the MSM can be held accountable, not by some state action that might endanger the First Amendment, but by what that amendment protects and encourages — more speech! Members of the MSM, welcome to the Marketplace Of Ideas, where you must give a cogent argument in order to persuade, and you must back up your assertions with proof.

  26. Franky Avatar

    “The focus of the “Gannon” story should be the White House and proving that they knowingly let this bozo in so he would ask bozo questions. Question power.”
    Well I’m glad that is now the focus and not as originally stated that focus should be on Kos accepting a press pass when he’s an opinionated blogger.

  27. David F Avatar

    I head you on Hewitt last night. It just shows you the power of a good interview. I was never inclined to read your site because I’ve read samplings, and decided it was too left wing for my tastes. But you were so well spoken, so clear and direct without dithering or being petty, that I decided your site was worth another look. I’m sure many other listeners thought the same.
    At any rate, check the reader responses to that inane WSJ editorial by Brett Stephens. They say it all, and I bet they only printed 1/10, if even that much, of the mail they received.

  28. Tom Avatar

    I get the feeling that the journalists, especially the higher echelon types that command the big paychecks, are turning into luddites. They fear that the changes will impact their income, their prestige, and their way of life. They are fighting back not because the fight is right and proper. The truth if they admitted to themselves is that they are scared to death.
    The same replies have been heard by factory workers throughout the country in the 80s and 90s, and more recently IT workers.
    FEAR is out there for journalists.
    The stories they craft are open to critique. That is new for them.
    People are doing their job for free! That is new for them.
    And deep down in their hearts, they know the viral nature of the web also enables others to do their job better. And that Scares the hell out of journalists…
    I feel for the journalists, and as the IT workers and manufacturers have learned, they will have to work smarter and harder to maintain their standard of living. They will have to offer something outside of the norm to attain their goals.
    But in the end we all win, and that is the most important thing.

  29. thibaud Avatar

    Ultimately it ain’t about left-right or MySide vs TheirSide. There are plenty of excellent liberal blogs such as Berkeley economist (and former Clinton admin official) Brad DeLong’s which make mincemeat of less-than-brilliant journalists, be they at the NY Times or elsewhere.
    The crucial point here is the Open Source analogy. Think of the MSM as MSFT: their product is static, closed, full of bugs, lacking in innovation. Bloggers, whatever their orientation, are coming up with alternative code that can fix the bugs and patch the holes that inevitably appear in the monopolist’s product. This is not just a good thing; it’s an INEVITABLE force. Linux is here to stay, and open source news creation/selection/editing will follow soon as well.
    The informational monopoly’s finished. Let a million voices contend: MSM, blogs, experts of all types from politicians to soldiers to pastors, priests, rabbis mullahs etc.

  30. Mark Avatar

    Great summary of the Jordan affair, and it’s ongoing impact on media, and on the blogosphere. In a few paragraphs, you covered the full 3 hours of the Hugh Hewitt show last night. You will be my main post today.

  31. JSinger Avatar

    All you Gannon defenders from the thread of a couple days ago, now that it has been shown that Gannon is a tax-evading gay prostitute with zero journalism experience working for a “news service” with zero credibility, is this still a non-story?
    Errr, yes, it is.

  32. Angelos Avatar

    “Ouch”, I agree, in part. It’s pretty sad that half of this country is stupid enough to vote for Georgie Boy, and the other half is too stupid to do anything about it. Well, 4 more years of bankruptcy (moral, fiscal, ethical, intellectual, etc.), and Bush will have killed his party good. Silver linings, I guess.
    Jeff, exactly. Look, if Gannon were just a gay reporter on the White House beat, that doesn’t matter any more that it would if Helen Thomas were. Not the issue at all. But how does this guy get in there? Who did he know? My guess is that Talon, being a winger mouthpiece, got themselves a pass, and Gannon was the guy they happened to send, and he just happened to be gay whore. But still, shouldn’t the White House have vetted the guy? It’s just a sign of the moral laxity with which these zealots act, as long as the results are in their favor.
    For a good laugh (or cry), here are Gannon’s Greatest Hits, from Olbermann’s show.

  33. James Stephenson Avatar
    James Stephenson

    I wonder if maybe gannon is a CIA man. all this mystery. Supposedly no checks on his record. He knew about plame.
    Think about that. And the CIA has never liked Bush.
    Because if there were background checks that were called off, someone had to sign that piece of paper, find that paper.

  34. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    “If anyone’s going too far these days, I think it is the few — and I emphasize few — who are still digging to destroy “Gannon” after he’s already toast (I do not approve of the old-style tabloid vindictiveness going on in some of the links in the comments). They forget that their real target is not this jerk, “Gannon.” It is the White House. Remember: Question the powerful.”
    ————-
    Wow, is that ever disingenuous!
    Last weekend, Jeff Jarvis goes out of his way to try to paint as rabid and irresponsible the blogs who have exposed James D. Guckert (“Jeff Gannon”) as a White House media whore. Today he says the “few” bloggers who are pursuing the story are piling on because Guckert is already “toast.”
    First off, Mr. Jarvis, it’s not about Guckert. The story is about a fake journalist and how he got special access. The fact that he was a gay prostitute is merely the vector through which he gained access. Think of the fleas that jumped from the rats to the humans and spread the Black Death. Those fleas and rats are a historical footnote, as are J.D. Guckert and his USMCPT “Bulldog” military prostitution gig.
    What we really care about here is the White House subverting journalism, and using one of its planted fakes as part of an effort to intimidate a critic by exposing his wife’s position as a CIA agent. Guckert’s being “toast” is secondary.
    But let’s look at the burnt toast a second. Jeff Jarvis, you take on the “few” bloggers who are pursuing this issue for having piled on. But the White House’s scheme never would have been exposed without their efforts, and the matter of WHY the media whore got his special access is certainly something of interest. You know, the 5Ws and H of journalism — Who, What, When, Where, Why, How?
    Jeff, I am convinced that you find the blogosphere just as much of a threat as the mainstream media does. I fully expect to see you annointed by the powers that be as the Official Voice and Interpreter of the Blogs, which means that your role will be to help the media ignore what they want to ignore. Congrats, Jeff, and remember: There’s always room for one more whore in the media.

  35. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    By the way, I’m amused that you don’t approve of the tabloid vindictiveness going on in these commentaries. I wonder how long it will be until you start censoring them. Four Legs Good, Two Legs Better, huh Jeff?
    I’m telling you, it’s a real fishing expedition, and these always tend to make the fish uncomforatble.

  36. John Avatar

    For many of the upper echilon journalists and those who consider themselves the gatekeepers of what s and is proper within the profession, such as Steve Lovelady, what they see bloggers doing today is in essence watching someone cut into the line after you’ve been standing outside a movie theater for an hour waiting to get in to see the newest blockbuster release. It isn’t … fair, especially if you’ve come to believe your profession to be in the same league as doctors, lawyers or engineers. To watch outsiders — some of the them doctors, lawyers or engineers — come in and take down someone in a high position of power appears to be fueling fits of jealous anger among many who have no history of the fact that 75 years ago, hardly anyone who worked in the press got there through a college degree.
    The fact that the biggest targets snared as of this point seem to be on the same side ideoligically as many of the media elites only heightens their anger. But the media wasn’t exactly praising bloggers when Trent Lott went down, and at least some folks in the editorial department of the Wall Street Journal aren’t happy with Eason Jordan’s fate either, not because they agree with Eason on U.S. troops killing journalists, but because it’s a traumatic jolt to their community to see someone so high up in the food chain taken down with barely any help at all from the press.
    Brett Stephens’ original notation of the incident in his subscrption e-mail post was supposed to get the blood pressure of the Journal’s Political Diary readers up a notch or two at what the CNN executive had told the Davos crowd, but it wasn’t supposed to actually do anything as consequential as cost Jodran his job.
    And as for Gannon and the possibility he might have influenced an election, proponents of that are really stretching it. Mark Evanier, who normally posts on pop-culture issues but is fairly liberal, noted last week that the website Gannon worked for, Talon News, was ranked 640,377 in web traffic (Evanier’s own site, in contrast, ranked 104,130, and I doubt most people on Jeff’s site have ever heard of it). That doesn’t make what Gannon did — or what the White House did by credentialling him when they new he was using a false name — right, but trying to equate his influence to anywhere near what Eason Jordan had in the media world is delusional.

  37. monkeyboy Avatar

    “Jonah Goldberg’s White Supremacist Wife”
    …what the heck?
    Anyway, white supremacist isn’t a good slur, what with the whole Byrd/Rice thing. GAY MAN WHORE is the new one. Try to use it as often as possible.

  38. Jim in Texas Avatar
    Jim in Texas

    Birkel
    “And where does one get pushed when one is pushed on all sides? Nowhere, of course”
    Or, everywhere?

  39. Dr. Jack Shepard Avatar

    DR. Jack Shepard PRAYS that the Nobel Peace Award 2005 is awarded to: President George W. Bush; Prime Minister Ariel Sharon & President Abu Mazen
    I, Dr. Jack Shepard SAYS: I pray that God Blesses the Middle East with Peace AND Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2005 and makes it to Heaven or the Whole World will go to Hell!
    I love Israel; now we will see if Prime Minister Ariel Sharon really wishes Peace, he controls his military 100%, while as everyone in the world knows that President Abu Mazen can not. (Give President Abu Mazen and the world a chance for Peace)
    With President George W.Bush and Secretary of State Rice on aboard, you will see Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will have too be an Real Peace Partner.
    As General Sharon; he only knows war; I pray that he remembers that he will be judged by God on his Judgment Day.
    I know and hope that God will forgive him; but if I was God this would be his last chance. If he does not work as a Real Partner to President George W.Bush, and President Abu Mazen toward peace; he will dwell in the fires of Hell Forever, if he acts and does what pleases God, and spends more time praying for peace then killing for peace; God will STILL forgive him.
    At his age; his actions should be like all of us, we all have to try to please God. Hell and Heaven await all of us forever, this life time is only a short test.
    The hate Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has in him was an act of the dEVIL, in the past Minister Ariel Sharon’s actions were all part of God’s plan, I pray for him to learn to love, and he has it in him to do what pleases God. ( A change of Heart is all that God asks from all of us)
    I pray for Prime Minister Ariel Sharon because if he can not lead Israel to share God’s world and being hope and peace to the suffering, the weak, the poor, the unemployed, the injuried and hungry, he will dwell in Hell forever; if he does not stop playing games; for him because God is all seeing and all knowing.
    Like I said above, it is not for me to judge; even though I have access to facts that very few people at the highest levels do, which obviously few do.
    So when I say something it is the truth. I only want people to remember they can play games with everyone but they can not play games with God.
    If I was Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as of yesterday I would fear God, if he is a real believer. I pray he reads this and leads Israel and Palestine toward two states living side by side in Peace as President George W. Bush asks.
    I hope SOMEONE WILL forwards this to him, I as a friend and Warner CAN ONLY SAY PRIME MINISTER ARIEL SHARON -LAST CHANCE FOR HEAVEN>PLEASE FOR YOU AND THE STATE OF ISRAEL AND THE REST OF THE WORLD DO NOT FORGET ABOUT GOD.
    With a change of heart; God is the most forgiving. General Sharon knows his record like I do.
    I pray for him to change his ways; with the whole world watching if he REMEMBERS THAT HE really will have to please God to save Israel.
    He has much to ask forgiveness from God For. HE KNOWS! That is between him and God. You and I will see be his actions.
    I thank God that President George W. Bush was reelected and that he choose Secretary of State Rice and that they are moving so fast TO MAKE PEACE BETWEEN THE ISRAELI’S AND PALESTINIANS.
    I have been praying for President George W.Bush, to become the Abe Lincoln of modern times for 4 years now. I hero of history who stopped a WORLD CIVIL WAR! THAT ARIEL SHARON STARTED 4 YEARS AGO!
    Watch my words come true, as President George W. Bush also is awarded the 2005 Nobel Peace Prize along with Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and President Abu Mazen.
    I predict President George W. Bush, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, President Abu Mazen and will all be awarded the 2005 Nobel Peace Award.
    All destine by God to make it to Heaven by doing things that please God.
    I pray that God Blesses the Middle East with Peace AND Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2005 and makes it to Heaven or the Whole World will go to Hell!
    May God Bless the Middle East with Peace!
    Dr. Jack Shepard

  40. tony Avatar

    if one is not going to blog about the white house bending over backwards to allow a gay male prostitute media access to the west wing, then what do you expect one to blog about?
    this isnt a lynch mob
    this is a large group of reasonable people whose jaws have hit the ground in awe at the audacity and recklessness at this bizarre administration who never had to take responsiblity for 9/11, not catching obl, not finding wmd, the budget deficit, so surely wont have to sweat gannongate.
    while idealists like you jeff wonder if we bloggers should try to improve the quality of discourse, BushCo is laughing that they got a male hooker in the white house for nearly two years
    you know i love ya, but why do you insist on chasing the red herring of a dude who resigned for saying something at a closed door starchamber instead of saying wtf does the white house think theyre doing hiring a male prostitute and bending the rules so that he can have access to the president?
    call me crazy but any time theres a hooker in the white house every day for nearly two years, thats far more fascinating than a network suit embarrassed at something that he said in an off-the-record session.

  41. monkeyboy Avatar

    “a network suit embarrassed at something that he said in an off-the-record session”
    A major executive at an international news network, on several occasions in front of foreign audiences said that US military troops were intentionally targeting journalists for death and torture. Maybe that doesn’t matter to you, but it matters to me.

  42. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    It occurs to me that sex in the White House is only a legitimate story on Jeff Jarvis’s eyes if it involves the president getting it for free and it’s reported by the responsible, mainstream media.

  43. sbw Avatar

    Since blogging is a double-edged sword, we have to be sure to use the proper edge.
    Waters’ First Law: A good idea can come from anywhere.
    Corollary: A bad idea can come from anywhere.
    The blogger’s first responsibility is to practice to recognize the difference. That is humility.

  44. Quilly Avatar

    Like Superglue to stupid, Mike Moran, Hardblogger, now supplants Oliver Willis as the poster boy for “Just doesn’t get it” lefty blogging. Moran, blogging on the website of MSM MSNBC calls a “subset” of the Blogosphere the Taliban:

    By now, the blog

  45. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Wilson Kolb’s First Law: “Fish, visitors and information stink after three days, so it’s best to get all of them out quickly.”

  46. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Well, Wilson, I’d say that the press’ horrendous behavior aiding and abetting a lynch mob that went after Bill Clinton made them a lynch mob. You’re yelling at a Democrat, mate: a Clinton loyalist and Kerry voter and, I hope, a Clinton voter again. The point about “Gannon” is that from what I’ve seen, folks have been distracted — by the joy of sex — from the real story, which remains the White House.

  47. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Let’s imagine that Bill Clinton were in office, and say, sometime during the Kosovo situation it had come to light that a male prostitute had been regularly admitted to the White House press room in a manner to evade the normal certification procedures.
    Then let’s further imagine that the hooker was working for a Democratic partisan group financed by people in Arkansas with long-standing ties to Clinton’s prior campaigns, and that the White House press secretary made sure to call on him.
    And let’s further imagine that the hooker, while posing as a reporter, had been involved in the calculated smear of the spouse of one of Clinton’s harshest critics, and that the smear had involved blowing the cover of a CIA agent.
    And then let’s further imagine that the prostitute, given special access to the White House during wartime, specialized in the wearing of military uniforms for their erotic effect.
    Now tell me that Fox News and CNN and every other network and newspaper wouldn’t have been all over that story. The silence of the news media over the story of the male prostitute with a White House press pass is deafening. And Jeff, it is ABSURD for you to call bloggers irresponsible for pursuing every angle of the story — including the sex.

  48. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    One other thing. Jeff, you and your friends in the mainstream media are the ones with the sex hangup. You see a story involving gay prostitution and you automatically assume that it’s all about the sex. You people are the ones who can’t see the forest for the trees. The blogs that have exposed Guckert have put the sex angle in context; you are the one who insists on focusing on that and that alone.
    Nice work you’re doing, Jeff. A bright future as a TV guest awaits.

  49. Mike Avatar

    Keep up the good work Wilson! Maybe you can break the names of the gay bars this guy went to and then names of the other gay men he saw. Boy that will really put the White House on the spot.
    It would be nice if those trying to expose Guckert could focus on what’s important, and it isn’t the gay angle. That has nothing to do with it. You didn’t see bloggers going after Eason Jordan for his relationship with Daniel Pearl’s wife. If they even mentioned it, it was in passing. Americanblog is a disgrace, that’s not reporting. That is stuff the Enquirer would throw away.
    I don’t know what it takes to get a press pass from the White House, but that’s the story here. Even then, I don’t really see much of a story. So he asked softball questions, many people make a great living doing that. Bloggers getting caught up with all the gay prostitute allegations just blur the issue and lose credibility.

  50. Ed Roman Avatar

    Wilson, I’m glad you recognize what so many others of us know: this blog is just one long audition for self-promoter Jeffo to get a higher-profile gig. Jeffo is clearly slumming with the likes of these bloggers; what he really wants is a gig with the NY Times or some other highly visible paper. Jeff, you’re just a little too eager to present your services to the powers that be. If you were really a revolutionary, you’d want to tear down the Times, not be part of it.
    BTW, Jeffo, some of your former compadres at Entertainment Weekly are getting ready to go public with their account of your ill-fated regime. You may not be so smug after that.

  51. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Keep up the good work Wilson! Maybe you can break the names of the gay bars this guy went to and then names of the other gay men he saw. Boy that will really put the White House on the spot.
    It would be nice if those trying to expose Guckert could focus on what’s important, and it isn’t the gay angle. That has nothing to do with it. You didn’t see bloggers going after Eason Jordan for his relationship with Daniel Pearl’s wife. If they even mentioned it, it was in passing. Americanblog is a disgrace, that’s not reporting. That is stuff the Enquirer would throw away.
    I don’t know what it takes to get a press pass from the White House, but that’s the story here. Even then, I don’t really see much of a story. So he asked softball questions, many people make a great living doing that. Bloggers getting caught up with all the gay prostitute allegations just blur the issue and lose credibility
    ————–
    The names of the gay bars that Guckert went to are irrelevant. What’s relevant is that he got special access to the White House; his being a prostitute is a likely motive for the granting of that access. His being a gay hooker is also relevant from the “blatant hypocrisy” angle, which is always a story.
    The Eason Jordan story was trivial to begin with, but even in that teacup any relationship with Daniel Pearl’s wife (if it occurred — I don’t know, having first read about it in this thread) doesn’t even qualify as tangential.
    I’m not sure what it takes to get a press pass at the White House either. The fact that a gay prostitute with no journalism background got special access and treatment suggests that, in some cases, it takes some specific sexual talents. But we don’t want to discuss such tawdriness, do we?
    No one is “caught up” in the gay prostitute allegations, which incidentally are not allegations but are proven facts. This is a relevant part of the story — it speaks to the “how” and the “why” of it. The fact that the meanstream media, Jeff Jarvis and you, Mike, are squeamish is a commentary on YOU not the bloggers.

  52. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Wilson, I’m glad you recognize what so many others of us know: this blog is just one long audition for self-promoter Jeffo to get a higher-profile gig. Jeffo is clearly slumming with the likes of these bloggers; what he really wants is a gig with the NY Times or some other highly visible paper. Jeff, you’re just a little too eager to present your services to the powers that be. If you were really a revolutionary, you’d want to tear down the Times, not be part of it.
    —————-
    To me, one of the best clues other than his wanting to demonize blogs for committing journalism in the James Guckert case is the picture on this blog. Sure looks to me as if Jeff Jarvis wants the PBS News Hour know that he’ll fit right in with their cast of cluck-cluckers. Oh, but I’m sure that I’m now engaging in tabloid attackery. Tsk tsk.

  53. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Take the meds, Wilson.
    We agree that this guy shouldn’t have been there to ask the softball questions and whatever else he did.
    The point is: Who put him there? Who let him in? What did they know? Who picked him to ask the question?
    Question power.
    If this guy is a pawn, then treat him appropriately. He’s not the real story; the White House is the real story.
    Question power.
    By the way, I find no Google tracks and now white-page listings for a “Wilson Kolb.” Who are you, Wilson? And why not blog?

  54. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Jeff, a real journalist asks six kinds of questions: Who, What, When, Where, Why and How. Bloggers are surging because they’re committing real journalism, while the mainstream media is suffering because they’re afraid to do it.
    You are so squeamish about the sex angle that you are willing not only to not ask the Why and the How, but you have decided that anyone who does ask Why and How is part of an icky mob. But they aren’t. They’re just getting the whole story. It’s impossible to understand this story, or any other one, without getting to Why and How.
    If Why and How happen to involve prostitution, so be it. Journalists tell the truth without fear or favor. P.R. guys, yourself included Mr. Jarvis, gloss it over.
    So … when’s your next guest appearance? Has The News Hour proferred an invitation yet? Are you getting ready to give a speech at Harvard yet? Jeff Jarvis, the voice of the responsible bloggers who promise to ruffle no feathers?

  55. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    p.s.: Nice touch about taking the meds. Good to see you down here in the mosh pit, Jeff. Just keep your hands to yourself, o.k.? ;-)

  56. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    p.p.s.: Oh, and the who are you question is a good one, too. What do you want to do, publish my name, address and phone number, etc., for having committed the crime of being disputatious? Why is this not particularly surprising?

  57. Greg Avatar

    Um…yeah, lynchmob bozos on the left and the right – I’m now looking for some radical centrists who want to lynch everyone.
    I’m still bemused by the Jordan “resignation” – something doesn’t fly there, as you’ve pointed out. And I’m still bemused by Guckert getting access with the WH says no one knows who he was….both of those are still stories.
    Even within the dailykos community there’s serious discussion about how things being discussed, the ethics of outing or pushing the gay angle. By no means is there unanimity of opinion on that. As far as I can tell, the people busy frothing at the mouth aren’t the same people who did the research on it….but that’s as I would expect.

  58. Mike Avatar

    Wilson, squeamish is hardly the word I would use to desribe my reaction to the gay angle. Ridiculous is more like it. Your allegations, and that is what they are allegations, now about specific sexual talents to get a pass is just plain stupid. It says more about your lack of intelligence and short-sightedness than anything else.
    And really, I know, as do the others here after reading it, what I wrote. No one needs you to cite the entire entry to respond to it, highlight parts, or just use my name.

  59. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    They are NOT just allegations. Americablog has NAILED it. They have published the entire chain of evidence. Jim Guckert was a prostitute. He used the stage name “Bulldog” on line, and went by the name of Jeff with his clients. He advertised on a bunch of gay escort sites and had a site of his own, USMCPT. Those are facts, not allegations.
    For some reason, it really bothers you that anyone is talking about this stuff, even though it bears an obvious relationship to the How and the Why of Jim Guckert/Jeff Gannon’s special access to the White House. The mainstream media is running away from it as fast as they can, and you are doing everything in your power to give them cover.
    Believe me, Mr. Jarvis, with friends like you the blogosphere needs no enemies. Enjoy your next guest spot. Make sure to let us know where we can watch you clucking with all the other chickens.

  60. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    I make a mistake in my last post. I attributed Mike’s thoughts to Jeff Jarvis. My error.

  61. paladin Avatar

    The Gannon/Guckert story line has officially jumped the shark. According to Glenn Reynolds, he received a press release from Democrats.com entitled “Did George W. Bush have s*x with that man, James Guckert”. Jeez! How moronic do you have to be these days to be considered a Democrat?

  62. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Wilson… I’ve tried to have a civil conversation with you but I’ll sign off now. I was curious about you and where you come from — not geographically — as bloggers are about each other and I did mean it when I said that if you have so much to say, you should blog. But you keep wanting to shout at me. But that’s only deafening. Good luck on your quest. Bye now.

  63. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Who is Glenn Reynolds and what is his evidence?

  64. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Jeff, I’m not shouting at you. I’m winning an argument with you, and you’re running away.

  65. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Oh, what the hell, once more: You don’t even know what you’re arguing about. I’ve already agreed about Gannon. You want to go berserk on this alleged gay angle. Knock yourself out, man; I’m saying that’s not the real story. And you’re making yourself look like a spitting maniac on this. And why don’t you start your own blog to do it? Because this is my house and I’m tired of you hanging around, frankly. It’s not about winning or losing. It’s about being bored with you. You’ve made your point again… and again… and again… and again. Enough. Call the nurse now.

  66. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    One other thing, Jeff. If you weren’t curious about where I am geographically, then why did you make it a point to say that you ran a White Pages check? Or is that an unseemly question on my part?

  67. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    I wanted to see whether there was evidence of a Wilson Kolb existing anywhere. Found none.

  68. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    As for the gay angle, it’s not “alleged,” it’s proven fact. Jeff, you and your friends in the mainstream media are bent on ignoring it, even though it’s a material part of the story because it likely answers some or all of the How and Why. A real journalist would want to know How and Why.

  69. Ed Roman Avatar

    “I was curious about you and where you come from — not geographically — as bloggers are about each other and I did mean it when I said that if you have so much to say, you should blog.”
    If you were not interested in where he was from, then why do a white-pages search on him?

  70. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    In fact, because there is a gay angle to the story, Jeff, you and the mainstream media want to ignore the whole thing. See, that’s what the blogosphere is about. Bloggers look under the carpet. It’s what reporters used to do before they became government-dominated p.r. agents and TV show entertainment talking heads.

  71. Greg Avatar

    democrats.com is a website, not to be confused with democrats.org – which is the actual dnc website.

  72. tony Avatar

    Wilson, although I do agree with much of what you have to say about the white house’s man whore, I must side with Jeff regarding the question posed to you.
    Often if a commentor brings attention to himself and is asked politely “hey, who are you anyway?” the correct reaction isn’t a defensive one, but an honest one.
    unless of course you have something to hide. in which case, keep sniping from the tall grass.

  73. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    I get it. One guy on a TV network, a business that feels terribly threatened by the blogs, gets from communication (if he really did) from one blog. And on that basis he declares the blogosphere to be a lynch mob obsessed by Jim Guckert’s whoring. How much you wanna bet that if Jarvis gets a coveted guest spot somewhere, he’ll pick up the theme?
    Oh, and I’m sure he’ll even cite my posts in these threads as “obsession.” Damn those blog people. They want all the facts. Tsk tsk.

  74. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Why does it matter who I am? What possible relevance does it have? I’ll tell you this much. I’m not a journalist. I’m not a politician. I’m not a prostitute. I don’t live in Washington, D.C. I don’t have a website. I don’t know any of the people involved in the story. I’m just a guy out in cyberspace who has latched onto this one like a pit bull onto a poor pedestrian’s leg.

  75. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    To put it differently: This inquiring mind wants to know what happened. He wants to know who was involved. What they did. Why they did it. When they did it. Where they did it and how they did it. The newspapers and TV news don’t provide that sort of information anymore, so this inquiring mind goes to the Internet for news. And then he finds Jeff Jarvis, purporting the speak for the blogs, telling everyone that bloggers should quit asking questions.
    Sorry, but yes that really DOES piss me off. The blogs are just getting off the ground and Jarvis wants to strangle them. Shame on him.

  76. Dishman Avatar

    Ah, Jeff, you’re definitely not the only “Jeff Jarvis” out there.
    Why, “Buzzmachine” only returns 284,000 hits, which is only 2/3rds of the 418,000 hits for “Jeff Jarvis”.

  77. Observer Avatar

    I looked for evidence of Jeff Jarvis’ integrity. I found none.

  78. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    I see that a couple of members of Congress have filed a Freedom of Information Act request for more information about the, um, comings and goings of Jim Guckert/Jeff Gannon. I suppose Jeff Jarvis will declare them as part of the lynch mob now.
    http://blog.dccc.org/mt/archives/002170.html
    I wonder what Jarvis will say for himself if we find out, oh, in a few weeks that Guckert got access to the press room because (fill in the blank) in the White House, the Republican Party or both was/were “Bulldog” clients and decided to help him along.
    Then the question will be whether it is possible for someone to “uncluck-cluck-cluck.”

  79. Yehudit Avatar

    “They are NOT just allegations. Americablog has NAILED it. They have published the entire chain of evidence. Jim Guckert was a prostitute. He used the stage name “Bulldog” on line, and went by the name of Jeff with his clients. He advertised on a bunch of gay escort sites and had a site of his own, USMCPT. Those are facts, not allegations.”
    So. What.
    What I find funny about all this is the idea that one softball pseudo-reporter at a press conference has any effect on Bush’s representation in the media. The MSM hates him and tries to make him look bad at every opportunity. All through the Iraq war and reconstruction it’s been “gotcha gotcha gotcha” and when-are-you-going-to-stop-beating-your-wife type questions, and why don’t you admit “your mistakes” (i.e. what WE think are your mistakes), and lots of misquoting.
    So one questionable reporter asking a friendly question for a change is going to turn all that around. I wish.

  80. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    If it doesn’t matter, if it’s a big “So. What.” then Jarvis, et. al. shouldn’t be so down on the bloggers who are pursuing it. After all, they don’t matter so why does Jarvis need to go out of his way to dump on them for committing journalism?

  81. Dishman Avatar

    Mr. Kolb, you’re coming across as vitriolic. It makes it difficult to sort out what your message is. I do suspect, however, that you have mis-read Jeff.
    Jeff has demonstrated a fairly good understanding (better than mine) of what blogging is about. He’s not perfect (being human), but I believe he makes a good faith effort to acknowledge and remedy what mistakes he makes.
    Considering the breadth of the spectrum here, we’ve had remarkably civil conversations. I believe your comments are (given your tone) not bringing a great deal to the conversation.

  82. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Ah, I’m committing the sin of vitriol. Yeah, I will admit that I’m pissed off when I see a self-appointed spokesman for the blogs dumping all over them for forcing the mainstream media to pay attention to an important story. Jarvis doesn’t want anyone pursuing How and Why, and if you don’t do this the story dies.
    You should be asking Mr. Jarvis why he wants the Guckert/Gannon story to be swept down the memory hole.

  83. Mike Avatar

    Wilson, your lack of understanding of Jeff’s argument become more apparent with every rant. As does your immaturity and incompetence. You’re not arguing, you’re yelling, you’re ranting, you’re losing control. Come back from the ledge.

  84. Jordan Avatar

    Stu Hughes gives his opinion of bloggers and this whole affair here (http://stuarthughes.blogspot.com/2005/02/new-york-times-picks-over-eason-jordan.html). Seems he’d rather see them in real trenches than in political ones.
    -J

  85. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    I understand Jarvis’s argument perfectly well. He says that by publishing the fact that Guckert/Gannon was a working prostitute while posing as a reporter with the active assistance of the White House, the blogs are acting as a lynch mob. My answer is that Jarvis is absurdly squeamish. The prostitution angle is part of the story because it speaks to the How and the Why.
    I wonder how Jeff Jarvis would have greeted a blogger who, if blogs had existed at the time, exposed J. Edgar Hoover’s relationship with Clyde Tolson, the Mafia blackmail and the cross-dressing. Actually, I don’t wonder. Mr. Jarvis would have declared the bloggers a lynch mob. He’d have argued that Hoover’s private life had nothing to do with the story.
    And he’d have gone on any talk show he could have to make that point, no doubt.

  86. paladin Avatar

    Why stop with Guckert/Gannon? Let a thousand investigations bloom! I’d like to know the personal life and dealings of ALL the WH correspondents. Let’s have a bipartisan investigation now! Partisanship doesn’t just go one way—let’s see all the affiliations of the lefty correspondents. I’ve heard Dana Milbank’s parents were communists. Let it all out! Inquiring minds want to know!

  87. Dishman Avatar

    Guckert’s name has already been trashed. It seems to me you’re getting dangerously close to playing Andrew Gilligan to Dr. David Kelly.
    Is your purpose to destroy someone for being gay?

  88. Liberty Avatar

    Is your purpose to destroy someone for being gay?
    Dishman

    No, that would be the Bush administration’s DOMA.
    We’re trying to save democracy from gatekeepers and oligarchs.

  89. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Oh horses***m paladin and Dishman. The reason Guckert’s prostitution is relevant here is that he wasn’t a journalist yet got special access to the White House. It begs the question why he got that access, and when one learns about his prostitution it begs the question of whether anyone in the White House or the Talon operation was Guckert’s client.
    There is also a hypocrisy angle here — a classic story for time immemorial — given that Guckert was a gay prostitute writing anti-gay articles for an anti-gay administration. And the whole military hooker thing is relevant. At a time when the country is at war and real marines are coming home in pine boxes, the possible cavortings of senior White House officials with “Bulldog” is news.

  90. Mike Avatar

    Wilson you’re wrong. I don’t want to speak for Jeff, but you have twisted his and your arguments around and lost sight of where and why you started them. It was the NY Times and Lovelady at CJR that were calling blogs lynch mobs and salivating morons, not Jeff. He came to their defense, at least most of them. Here is what he said:
    If anyone’s going too far these days, I think it is the few — and I emphasize few — who are still digging to destroy “Gannon” after he’s already toast (I do not approve of the old-style tabloid vindictiveness going on in some of the links in the comments). They forget that their real target is not this jerk, “Gannon.” It is the White House. Remember: Question the powerful.
    You’re out your league here, go back to Democratic Underground or something like that, where understanding arguments isn’t a problem. Your constant babbling about gay prostitution displays your obscurity.

  91. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Here is what he said:
    If anyone’s going too far these days, I think it is the few — and I emphasize few — who are still digging to destroy “Gannon” after he’s already toast (I do not approve of the old-style tabloid vindictiveness going on in some of the links in the comments). They forget that their real target is not this jerk, “Gannon.” It is the White House. Remember: Question the powerful.
    ————–
    And here is what I responded:
    Wow, is that ever disingenuous!
    Last weekend, Jeff Jarvis goes out of his way to try to paint as rabid and irresponsible the blogs who have exposed James D. Guckert (“Jeff Gannon”) as a White House media whore. Today he says the “few” bloggers who are pursuing the story are piling on because Guckert is already “toast.”
    First off, Mr. Jarvis, it’s not about Guckert. The story is about a fake journalist and how he got special access. The fact that he was a gay prostitute is merely the vector through which he gained access. Think of the fleas that jumped from the rats to the humans and spread the Black Death. Those fleas and rats are a historical footnote, as are J.D. Guckert and his USMCPT “Bulldog” military prostitution gig.
    What we really care about here is the White House subverting journalism, and using one of its planted fakes as part of an effort to intimidate a critic by exposing his wife’s position as a CIA agent. Guckert’s being “toast” is secondary.
    But let’s look at the burnt toast a second. Jeff Jarvis, you take on the “few” bloggers who are pursuing this issue for having piled on. But the White House’s scheme never would have been exposed without their efforts, and the matter of WHY the media whore got his special access is certainly something of interest. You know, the 5Ws and H of journalism — Who, What, When, Where, Why, How?
    Jeff, I am convinced that you find the blogosphere just as much of a threat as the mainstream media does. I fully expect to see you annointed by the powers that be as the Official Voice and Interpreter of the Blogs, which means that your role will be to help the media ignore what they want to ignore. Congrats, Jeff, and remember: There’s always room for one more whore in the media.

  92. Mike Avatar

    Wilson, how do you know that his alleged gay prostitution is the vector through which he gained access to the White House press room? I mean why do you want to the MSM to report about this, apparently you have all the answers. They should just come talk to you. You’re the one that wants to be on TV and in the papers! I think you’re jealous.

  93. EverKarl Avatar

    Gee, someone’s tinfoil hat must be in the shop for repairs.
    Anyway, anyone who wants to see what an exclusive club the White House Briefing Room is should take a gander at Howard Kurtz’s round up of past and present loons. Gannon/Guckert hardly stood out in the class picture.

  94. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    We don’t know if that’s how Guckert got access. But logic would point in that direction. He was not a journalist, so the question becomes: How did he come to know these people? You know, How and Why?
    The MSM, you and Jarvis are apparently so squeamish about prostitution, and gay prostitition, that you think it’s unseemly to pursue the story. Looks like the Democratic leadership is running away from it too. Oh well, maybe the Democrats deserve the fate that’s on the way. And we can all feel good when Jeff Jarvis is annointed the voice of the Reponsible Blogs.

  95. Angelos Avatar

    No one “outed” Gannon. He’s quite out all on his own.
    He was uncovered as a fraud.
    Someone knew who he really was. That’s for sure. The question is who, and how much?
    Did this person know:
    -Gannon was really an alias…
    +of someone with zero journalism experience and zero credentials…
    +who also happened to run gay escort services…
    +who happened to be a whore himself…
    Let’s say the White House person who let him in just knew the first and second items. Doesn’t look good, but it’ll pass, like everything else these crooks do.
    But say the they knew everything. They would, and should, get crucified. This person falls way short of any ethical and moral standards the wingers pretend to espouse, so to plant him in the press room would be outrageously poor judgement. I’m sure they could have found a willing stooge who pays his taxes and DOESN’T whore himself out to those looking for military tops.
    Yes, it’s about who knew what. But let’s not feel at all sorry for Gan/Guck. He put himself in the crosshairs. He HAD to know the risk of being in the public eye.

  96. paladin Avatar

    You are so right Wilson Kolb—I want to know who ALL the gay prostitutes are in the WH press room. I can’t believe there is just one. I want to know EVERYONE’S hinky background—-not just those who favor GWB. What about those who oppose GWB? They can’t all just be straight white men. We want the truth NOW!

  97. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    paladin the Freeper, the investigation doesn’t have to be that thorough. All we need to know is How and Why the White House gave special treatment to this particular military-themed callboy. Of course, Jeff Jarvis thinks those questions — How and Why — are too icky for anyone to ask. Tsk tsk.

  98. sbw Avatar

    Wilson, you feel compelled to take Jeff’s bandwidth to promote yourself and your own opinions, but Emily Post, known for her treatise on blog etiquette, would have frowned on your behavior.
    If you are not embarrassed, the rest of us are embarrassed enough for you.
    While this is not my blog, I read it regularly, and am having difficulty sorting through your comments to read the others. You have made your point, now please get your own blog to expound your theories so the rest of us won’t have to go there.

  99. Eileen Avatar

    Mini French lesson/effort to change the channel:
    lynch mob = foule de lyncher. Foule is pronounced fool (interesting, eh?), with a slight roll of the l and the e remaining silent.
    Merci, JzaJza, pour le rire. [Thanks for the laugh.] Mon dieu! God knows we could use a few more around here today.

  100. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    sbw, all I can say is that Jeff and his acolytes are easily embarrassed.

  101. Eileen Avatar

    Ah mais Non, Wilson, nous ne sommes pas embarrasses. Est-ce que ca vous aider?

  102. paladin Avatar

    Wilson Kolb, your thinking is too narrow, I want to know how ALL the callboys (and girls) got into the WH pressroom.

  103. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Yes, Eileen, you’re more sophisticated and educated than I am because you speak French and I don’t. I’m just one of those lynch mob neandrathals who want to know what happened, who did it, where they did it, when they did it, why they did it and how they did it. In plain English.

  104. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    paladin the Freeper, since you want to know about all of them and I only want to know about one of them, what would you think about you, Jeff Jarvis and I making a deal? We start with all the details about Jim Guckert, including how and why this particular non-journalist media whore came to command special White House access. Once we got all that scoop, then you can keep after the rest of it and I promise to buy the book.
    Deal?

  105. Dishman Avatar

    Wilson, I believe your current approach is not very effective in advocating your position. I don’t think you’ve converted anyone, but you have pissed off several people, including myself and apparently Jeff. Maybe that doesn’t matter to you. Maybe this has become “The Wilson Kolb Theatre” for you.
    If advocacy matters, though, you might want to reevaluate your approach.

  106. Eileen Avatar

    If you don’t appreciate a little fun, fine by me. In plain English: lighten up. Better still, why don’t you go out and find all those W’s and the H for your big story.

  107. Mork Avatar

    In the case of Jordan, we bloggers questioned the powerful and apparently the powerful didn’t have an answer; if they had, CNN would not have gotten rid of him. Where there’s smoke, there’s often fire — but not necessarily from lynch-mob torches.
    Yes, but Jeff, the reason that the bloggers who led the charge against Eason Jordan did so was not, in the long run, to “make media accountable”, but to discredit media institutions that are (occasionally) critical of the Administration.
    You don’t see these bloggers going after Fox, which I think tells you all you need to know.
    This is not questioning the powerful, this is trying to make sure that the REALLY powerful do not get questioned at all.
    I’m astonished that you can’t see this. And I’m sad that you have become such a willing tool of the right-wing noise machine.

  108. Mathew Ryan Avatar
    Mathew Ryan

    “his being a prostitute is a likely motive for the granting of that access”
    “ya gotta laugh” – Carl Spackler aka Bill Murray, Caddyshack

  109. sbw Avatar

    Wilson is simply so miffed at Jeff that he is going to parade around until Jeff off’s him.
    It is singularly selfish, but that demonstrates how the concept of liberalism has been hijacked by people who presume to know what liberalism means. Liberalism used to mean “open to new ideas”, but now it means very brittle and malevolent.

  110. Franky Avatar

    Where’s Ambrose Bierce when we need him:
    “Lynch Mob – (n) the investigation of one of your side”.

  111. Franky Avatar

    Mork,
    Hit the nail exactly on the head. Jeff gets caught up in these fabricated scandals and gets patted on the head by his friends like Hewitt, who all the while are gunning for those they see as less than adoring of the administration and grateful they have someone like Jeff on the “left” to make it appear non-partisan.
    So the game plan is to get all media along the lines of Fox News – Fair and Balanced.

  112. Kat Avatar

    Franky, Franky–you have NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, all on your side. FOX is only one lone station, and you can’t stand it that they don’t march the goosestep. The game plan is to make your four accountable and transparent. Is that too much to ask for–the truth and not some angle dreamed up by Jordan with no proof. Or Rather with fake documents? Are we supposed to swallow that swill and ask no questions?

  113. Mork Avatar

    So the game plan is to get all media along the lines of Fox News – Fair and Balanced.
    I think the real game plan is to discredit the very idea of a media that honestly seeks to uncover the truth.
    Once you succeed in creating the impression that all journalism is politically motivated, it becomes easy for those in power to dismiss questions and even facts as merely another interested voice, rather than a mechanism for accountability to the people. Fox news is, of course, a key part of this project: it’s the trojan horse that aims to demonstrate the subjectivity of journalism from within.
    It’s obvious whose interests this serves, and whose it doesn’t (that is, anyone truly interested in holding government accountable).
    It’s sad that Jeff, who seems to honestly care about the future of journalism, has been so blinded by his enthusiasm at being part of the paradigm shift that he is unable to step back and see its real character.
    Yes, the old model of journalism only worked spasmodically and had massive failures, but it was all we had to keep government accountable. If Jeff has his way, we lose that, and get nothing in its place but noise.

  114. RA Avatar

    The terms “vigilantes and lynch mob” imply that there exists a presents of duely appointed law and order officers that are there to handle these outragious situations. There ain’t. The leftist MSM have been the lying, slandering mob. They have been out of control for 50 years. Now there is a new marshal in town.

  115. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Dishman, it’s painfully obvious that Jeff wasn’t going to reconsider his position no matter how polite anyone was to him. He is so squeamish about the White House’s media whore really being a whore, and a gay whore no less, that he’s willing to not want anyone to pursue the How and the Why of the story.
    sbw, so now it’s “selfish” to vigorously argue your case. Some “liberal” you are! Let’s face it, Jeff Jarvis wants nothing less than to see the Guckert story go away. He won’t come out and say that. Instead, he attacks anyone who wants to commit journalism by finding how How and Why this happened.

  116. sbw Avatar

    Many bloggers have adopted TypeKey to address denial of service attacks.

  117. Kat Avatar

    Actually Wilson, I just don’t think Jeff is willing to get down to your level. I once found some smut about a blogger and I posted it, I’m ashamed to say. It wasn’t incorrect, but it was wrong to post it. I was really glad Jeff deleted it–it was smut like the Gannon stuff and I regretted it as soon as I hit post. This personal smut has no relevance to the story–none. And I’m not exactly pro-gay, but I will respect whatever he is in private.

  118. Dishman Avatar

    Yes, the old model of journalism only worked spasmodically and had massive failures, but it was all we had to keep government accountable.
    That, and personal ownership of firearms. My problem the old model was that it was susceptible to corruption or tainting by a small number of people. Blogs are more redundant and internally more competitive.
    It’s not a complete answer. We’re not going to (can’t) completely destroy MSM, either.
    Wilson, if it’s obvious to you that your approach to the story isn’t going to work, why not look for a different approach? I’m not going to tell you how to shop your viewpoint. That’s on you. I only suggest that there are other ways.

  119. Mathew Ryan Avatar
    Mathew Ryan

    “I think the real game plan is to discredit the very idea of a media that honestly seeks to uncover the truth”
    Bloggers’ game plan or CBS’s?
    Eason resigns: blame bloggers. Rather resigns: blame bloggers. There’s a gameplan allright. But it’s all about defending the MSM through distraction.

  120. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Dishman, individuals can no longer “shop their viewpoint.” The major media are controlled lock, stock and barrel by p.r. outfits working with the government. The blogs are challenging that model, but you’ve got the Jeff Jarvises of the world who want to hobble the blogs in the name of “respectability.” The only way to go is to confront them directly when possible. Of course, if Jarvis wants to turn Freeper and ban those who don’t toe his line, he can do it at any moment.
    God forbid that he’d actually really want to match wits. The minute he’s demolished he declares himself a victim and hides.
    But at this point it wouldn’t be in his commercial interest. See, he wants to be annointed dean of the blogs so he’ll snag guest appearances on TV and maybe eventually a comfortable little sinecure somewhere. Censorship is currently unfashionable in the blogosphere so I suspect he’s just waiting for me to go away.

  121. Dishman Avatar

    I disagree about the relationship between media and government, though my view isn’t necessarily any more pleasant than yours. I also don’t think it’s relevant to this. I largely agree with Jeff on Gannon/Guckert, and I think that is also irrelevant to my point.
    I have successfully shopped my viewpoint, including once on a national basis (that was a lot of luck). It can be done. In blogs, we’re all shopping our viewpoints to some extent. The trick is finding who is going to be receptive to a particular aspect of that viewpoint. Rinse, repeat.
    You have to choose your battles wisely as well, according to your own metric of what matters. Otherwise you’re just tilting at windmills.

  122. kl Avatar

    “The minute he’s demolished he declares himself a victim and hides.”
    Try placing the backs of your hands into your armpits, flapping your elbows, and going, “Bawk bawk bawk bawk BAWWWWWK!” Maybe that’ll work.

  123. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Please don’t feed the troll.

  124. sloppysally Avatar
    sloppysally

    Gannon and Jordan — two peas in a pod. They gave up so much — because of what, revenge of the nerds?
    They’re what, mortified? By what? Too many googleheads googling their googley-googles?
    Fresh air. Don’t underrate it. Now go get some, the lot of you!

  125. dp Avatar

    Thank God for blogs.
    Before our only option was shooting the TV (like Elvis)

  126. Franky Avatar

    I see little genuine interest by Jeff in journalism. I see him cite himself as a journalist, the same time he labels himself as left, to boost his standing when he attacks journalism.
    I’m in agreement with Jeff that journalism needs serious correction but at this point the profession needs help from within not more enemies on the outside, especially those enemies who don’t have the best interests of the profession at heart but instead want to destroy it. I feel Jeff far too often lines himself with those who want this profession finished and look forward to the day when the press is reduced to writing the press statements of the Democrat and Republican parties.

  127. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    So, Jeff, are you busy arranging a luncheon with the editors of The New York Times? Make sure to wear the tweed jacket with the elbow patches. You need to look the part.

  128. Kat Avatar

    Franky, don’t be such a dolt. No one wishes to destroy the profession, but to clean up the corruptness that the profession is suffering from. For the first time in years, we are free from indoctrination by news reporters who feed us their home cooked versions of events. Personally, I’m sick of that diet and I’m ready for a more balanced viewpoint. Media bias has met its match and those on the left are pissed. Next , I hope they purge the universities of the same.

  129. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Franky: I’ve devoted my professional career since at 17 to journalism; I love journalism. I’ve also found new excitement and inspiration in citizens’ media. My rallying cry is really that the two need to stop seeing each other as competitors — or enemies — and realize that we’re in this together. Polyanna? Maybe. But I don’t think that bloggers are or need to be enemies from without, as you put it; bloggers do journalism and journalists are citizens.

  130. Mork Avatar

    And I’m not exactly pro-gay, but I will respect whatever he is in private.

    Dude – if a person is advertising his services on the intranets, it ain’t exactly private!
    We’re not going to (can’t) completely destroy MSM, either.
    Well, there will still be media organizations who sell current-event based product, but the question is whether they will continue to devote the resources necessary to undertake real reporting, or whether the returns will diminish to the point that they just give up and fill the airwaves with people who are prepared to sound off for free … which of course are those with another agenda (commercial or political) to push.
    I don’t see any evidence that the blogmire is interested in improving the way that the media does real reporting. Instead, it is simply trying to tear it down. The result is going to be fewer and fewer institutions striving to deploy expertise and resources in order to communicate truthfully and more and more media that looks like cable news and the blogmire itself: a cacophony of partisan noise, where the value of an argument lies merely in how effective it is, rather than its relationship to the truth.
    My rallying cry is really that the two need to stop seeing each other as competitors — or enemies — and realize that we’re in this together. Polyanna? Maybe. But I don’t think that bloggers are or need to be enemies from without, as you put it; bloggers do journalism and journalists are citizens.
    Jeff – I don’t doubt for a second that that is your aim and desire. But that’s not what’s actually happening. These are not citizen journalists. These are citizen-propagandists, whose aim is to undermine any challenge to the political power that happens to be in power at the moment.
    I understand your enthusiasm for the possibilities of the medium. I don’t understand your wilful blindness to the way that it is actually being used to serve the interests of the powerful. If the aim is to challenge the powerful and to reform media, is it not a little odd that Fox News Channel and the Washington Times are apparently exempt?

  131. Eileen Avatar

    *Well, it didn’t take Al Jazeera long to begin getting even more great mileage from their old pal, Eason Jordan:
    http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/067593.php
    Apparently at least the Arab reporters received his ‘full’ message at Davos, unlike the U.S. public who still remain in the dark.
    *A transcript from a Fox & Friends (horror of horrors) segment yesterday of an interview of Schonfeld, co-founder of CNN, on Easongate:
    http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/iblog/C168863457/E1266106620/
    More ‘guesses’, and more non-fact based reporting.
    *Scarborough stated that EJ is now dating Sharon Stone, who he apparently met at dinner in Davos the day following his Unreleased taped remarks. Truth? If so, singin’ Hollywood. I guess his prowess at damaging our military and global reputation is being further rewarded. Private lives of public figures, just desserts, and all that good Rot. [But at least I guess (in the future) CNN/MSM won’t be able to quite as effectively utilize the ‘(ex?) girlfriend Pearl’s wife line’ as the basis for EJ’s great concern for U.S. military-targeted-for-death journalists.]
    Cut all the trash, pontificating and guessing games from all quarters. Release the tape.
    I’m sure all of us will be able to handle the truth, appropriately.

  132. richard mcenroe Avatar
    richard mcenroe

    Every day and work and play, I meet fine American liberals who are convinced that President Bush is still a drink-sodden cokehead who personally ordered the “torture” of the Abu Ghraib prisoners. Now we are supposed to believe the White House is a hotbed of sodomy.
    That’s it! We have the trifecta! Rum, buggery and the lash!
    Who knew we elected this guy? How cool is that?

  133. Birkel Avatar

    Feb 15 1:28 pm
    Or everywhere?
    Jim in Texas
    Birkel responds-
    No, if you add the vectors the target would only be pushed in at most one direction. Simple physics.
    Either no movement or if things are in dis-equilibrium the focus moves to the new equilibrium. Cool?

  134. Temple Stark Avatar

    >>There are journalists who make mistakes and even lie and cheat. Do you judge the profession by its worst?
    Yes, the majority of bloggers – and the public do. Can that be reasonably denied?

  135. Franky Avatar

    Jeff, sorry to have misrepresented your postion. I maintain that you ally yourself with people who have no love for the media and do want it discredited – what do you think Hewitt (insert name of any other hack here) would say to your admirable stand of “question power” with the current administration?

  136. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    So Jeff Jarvis doesn’t think the blogs should compete with the major media. They should both “cooperate.” How lovely. Cooperate means co-opt, and that’s what Jarvis’s “solution” entails.
    A case in point is today’s Washington Post article by their shill, Howard Kurtz. This time he felt compelled to actually do some reporting. He reported the story broken on Monday by Americablog. You know, the one that Jeff Jarvis thought was icky? Yeah, that one about the gay prostitution. The one Jeff Jarvis didn’t want in the mainstream media.
    Kurtz’s story today will probably break it wide open. Why did that story appear? Could it have been the Mr. Kurtz was feeling some heat from the blogosphere? Could it be that a bunch of people were suggesting that The Washington Post should commit journalism this time?
    Sad to say that one of those people was NOT Jeff Jarvis. He wanted to stick a chloroform rag over this story’s nose because he got a sudden attack of squeamishness. Tsk, tsk!

  137. Mike Avatar

    Sorry I have to feed him, it’s fun.
    Wilson, Gannon sex angle = non-story, in fact the whole Gannon incident is pretty much becoming a non-story because there is nothing there. But keep up with the obsession! Try and find those gay bars like I asked yesterday.

  138. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Mike the Freeper, the story may well die. It could be that the major media will STILL be too squeamish to ask How and Why a prostitute was dressed up as a journalist, got special access to the White House, and was part of the Valeria Plame affair.
    As for the gay angle, and the gay military-fetish angle, i.e., the prostitute who used the U.S. Marine Corps logo and mascot to attract clients who might have included top government officials during wartime while real marines are coming home in bodybags, yeah I agree that this is a sidelight.
    So is the hypocrisy of the same White House that used homosexuals as scapegoats in last fall’s election giving special access to a male prostitute. No one will care about that, either. People only care if the sex is heterosexual and happens in a Democratic administration.
    But what about the Valerie Plame angle? She was a CIA agent, and when her cover was blown it wrecked a long-standing operating and endangered lives. Bush’s father called her outing an act of treason. The prostitute/”reporter” was involved in that, and the prostitution almost certain explains How and Why he came to be involved.
    But oops, we’re Americans and we don’t talk about sex.

  139. thibaud Avatar

    37 posts (and counting) by “Wilson Kolb”. How many of these posts contained fresh insights?
    If Buzzmachine is a coffeehouse, or an upscale pub, then WK is the monomaniacal drunk in the corner determined to drown out all other conversations with his rants.
    Jeff, call your bouncer.

  140. Mike Avatar

    Wilson, what is your definition of freeper, anyone who disagrees with your idealogy? Seriuosly, you may want to go Tom Maguire’s Just One Minute Blog to find out a more likely alternative to the Plame connection. Read the post, follow the links, he does a great job showing that Guckert could have easily obtained his information from the Wall Street Journal and not the memo.
    You see your arguments have no evidence to back them up. This statement:
    As for the gay angle, and the gay military-fetish angle, i.e., the prostitute who used the U.S. Marine Corps logo and mascot to attract clients who might have included top government officials during wartime while real marines are coming home in bodybags, yeah I agree that this is a sidelight.
    is just inflammatory and inuendo. Anything at all to back up that top government claim? Hey I’ve heard it might be true that Wilson Kolb is a transexual who likes to molest animals! That statement is about as true as yours above.
    So is the hypocrisy of the same White House that used homosexuals as scapegoats in last fall’s election giving special access to a male prostitute. No one will care about that, either. People only care if the sex is heterosexual and happens in a Democratic administration.
    Another sorrowful piece of dribble. You’re such a dolt. You’ve only read information coming from sources you agree with and refuse to accept any other information.

  141. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    I said “might have included top government officials.” It’s certainly a reasonable question to ask, given that Mr. Guckert had no journalism credentials yet got special access to the White House and special treatment while there. The prostitution angle could explain the How and the Why of that. Those questions should be asked loudly and repeatedly by the major media.
    Oh, and Mike the Freeper, are you saying that it’s “dribble” that Bush campaign scapegoated gays in the last election, or is it “dribble” that the White House gave special access to a gay prostitute? Both of those are facts.

  142. Franky Avatar

    I personally think the hooker angle is important and should be reported, because it comes on top of everything else. Now, you may feel otherwise (invasion of privacy etc), but it is as of now impossible to argue he wasn’t a hooker if you’ve even glanced at the investigation done by Americablog.

  143. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    I think the fact that it’s a GAY hooker might be responsible for the reticence of the Jeff Jarvises of the world. He and his friends in the mainstream media remain very squeamish on the subject of homosexuality. If this had been a female hooker dressed up as a reporter, it would be on every network and they’d have optioned it as a made-for-TV movie.
    To me, a hooker is a hooker is a hooker is a hooker. The fact that it’s a GAY hooker is interesting only for the blatant hypocrisy angle given that we’re talking about a right-wing anti-gay White House. Shades of La Cage aux Folles here. And the military theme is a nice touch given that we’re at war and we’ve got a president who likes to play dress-up himself.
    But we’re Americans and we don’t discuss anything this tawdry.

  144. Mike Avatar

    scapegoated gays???
    scapegoat: One that is made to bear the blame of others.
    Wilson, please elaborate on your claim about this, I don’t get it. I think you want to use another term. I think you are trying to link Bush’s election win with the definition of marriage bills proposed in 11 states. For what purpose I have no idea because this again doesn’t have anything to do with Guckert.
    And the prostitution angle is your how and why this may have happened, that doesn’t make it so. Maybe the reason you’re not hearing about it is because there is no such link. You should apply Occam’s Razor to the theories out there, otherwise you’re focusing on a conspiracy that fits your world view.

  145. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Freeper Mike, the Bush people got anti-gay referendums onto the ballot in 13 states, many of them key battlegrounds. They made this a significant feature of their campaign. And they did it at the same time that their press secretary was cozying up to a gay hooker.
    Freeper Mike, given that the gay male uniform fetishist hooker had no journalism background, nor any prior involvement in politics, perhaps you would care to speculate how he came to become the only reporter for a newly created “Talon News,” which received special treatment from the White House immediately upon its creation.
    Just How and Why did Jim Guckert get to that, um, position? Yes, it might have happened totally by chance. The sunspots might have done it. But I suspect that someone with some pull likes a man in uniform. No problem with that, but it’s what came after it that matters.
    Mike the Freeper, if I were a Freeper I’d want to sweep this one under the rug, too. I can’t blame you for trying. On that score, the bone I have to pick is with Jeff Jarvis, the “Democrat” who is all too willing to cooperate with you and try to neuter the blogosphere to do it.

  146. Mike Avatar

    yeah, keep picking that bone, you’re doing such a good job of it. You’ve pretty much alienated everyone who posts here. You most likely think you’re winning an argument, but you’re just blowing hot air and causing people to just cast you off as some sort of lunatic.

  147. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    p.s.: All of this does give new meaning to the phrase “chickenhawk” to describe the Bush adminisration’s drumbeaters for war. I wonder if any of them were Mr. Guckert’s clients.

  148. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    The last refuge of someone losing an argument is to call his opponent a lunatic. Poor Mike. And poor Jeff, by the way. When this Guckert story becomes a major issue he will have the distinction of having been someone who wanted it all to go away.

  149. Mike Avatar

    Wilson, you’re not arguing, don’t you get it. You’re just trumpeting baseless claims over and over again, you don’t articulate or back up your claims, you just state them as fact and discount anyone who disagrees with you as freeper or squeamish. How is that winning??

  150. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Again, please, don’t feed the troll.

  151. Mike Avatar

    I do apologize, but something just came over me. I had temporarily lost control. I will not give in to any feeding temptations any more.

  152. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    What are the baseless claims? That a military fetishist hooker got special access and treatment at the White House? Sorry, those “claims” are proven. That Jeff Jarvis wants the story to go away? That’s not proven but it’s a reasonable speculation, and certainly worthy of debate. That you, Mike, are a Freeper? That’s hyperbole, but it may well be true for all I know.
    I haven’t claimed that anyone in the White House was a “Bulldog” client, but given that Scott McClellan knew what he did about Jeff Guckert it’s certainly reasonable to ask a few pointed questions without going “Eek! We can’t talk about a GAY prostitute!”

  153. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    Why of course I’m a troll. I’m asking difficult questions that Freepers and Jeff Jarvis don’t want asked. That’s what trolls do, and running away from them is what Jeff Jarvis does. A prominent role in the mainstream media awaits. There are always spots there for “respectable” people who are afraid of journalism and difficult questions.

  154. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    I see that The Post put the story in their Style section, and that they’re not promoting on their website. Take heart, Jeff! They are covering their ass with respect to ignoring the facts, but are signaling the TV networks and other newspapers that they don’t take it seriously. Maybe the lid will stay on like you want it to.

  155. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    This says it well, and without naming Jeff Jarvis it tags him for what he is: A “prim” liberal.
    http://www.observer.com/pages/conason.asp

  156. Wilson Kolb's Trusty Hand Puppet Avatar
    Wilson Kolb’s Trusty Hand Puppet

    Yeah man, I know, it’s getting lonely in here.
    Go ahead, I love to hear what you think, you fearless soldier of truth you.

  157. Wilson Kolb Avatar
    Wilson Kolb

    It would seem that Mr. Guckert was in the White House press room on March 5, 2003 and asked a question. This was verified through White House records this morning by the Daily Kos, a website that commits journalism instead of trying to smother it like this one. Additionally, Guckert bragged on his website that he asked a question of Ari Fleischer at a press briefing on Feb. 28, 2003.
    Why does these dates matter? Because “Talon News Service” was not formed until March 29, 2003. Even before Guckert was a potemkin “reporter” he was allowed into the White House press room. And at that time, he was a working prostitute catering to military uniform fetishists.
    Children, we already know that the White House lies about big things. The fact that they so brazenly lie about EVERYTHING ought to at least raise some prim little eyebrows.

  158. OrthoGraf Avatar

    Jeff, it’s les affaires, not l’affaires’

  159. LT Avatar

    someone has already covered that OrthoGraf, course you couldn’t see it since Wilson has made this his informal preaching ground. Funny, he sounds a lot like Lukasiak, who we haven’t seen in a while around here. Hmm. I wonder, just speculating without facts, COULD they be one in the same?