The news judgment of the public

The news judgment of the public

: Howard Kurtz’ Washington Post story is up. He says:

Several CNN staffers say Jordan was eased out by top executives who had lost patience with both the controversy and the continuing published gossip about Jordan’s personal life after a marital breakup. Jordan’s authority already had been greatly reduced after a management shakeup.

And:

As of yesterday, the New York Times, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune and USA Today had not carried a staff-written story, and the CBS, NBC and ABC nightly news programs had not reported the matter. It was discussed on several talk shows on Fox News, MSNBC and CNBC but not on CNN.

And then there’s this curious line:

Even as he said he had misspoken at an international conference in suggesting that coalition troops had “targeted” a dozen journalists and insisted he never believed that, Jordan was being pounded hourly by bloggers, liberals as well as conservatives, who provided the rocket fuel for a story that otherwise might have fizzled.

Not sure what he means by that. Is he saying it’s a nonstory made a story by pounding bloggers? Well, major media thought so. But apparently, CNN did not.

I would have to think that this morning, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, the Chicago Tribune, USA Today, CBS, NBC and ABC … and CNN … are or should be embarrassed that they are reporting the dramatic climax of a story they never told their readers about.

The news judgment of the professionals meets the news judgment of the public. And they sure as hell aren’t the same.

: And on Kurtz himself…

An unnamed commenter in the post below says:

Incredibly, Jeff doesn’t think Kurtz’s conflict-of-interest matters.

Maybe the Post should let Kurtz keep his CNN job, but the paper needs to assign all CNN-related stores to other reporters. I don’t understand why Jeff disagrees, especially given Kurtz’s pathetic track record tidying up Eason Jordan’s blunders.

And I reply:

Well, Howard Kurtz was the ONLY reporter or critic in big media to write about this. He may not have written about it the way you wanted — no one will ever agree on everything — and he may not have done it as fast we bloggers think he should have, but he did write about it and, as he (and I) say here, the other big media outlets should be embarrassed today that they are reporting the end of the story without ever reporting the beginning of it. The Post made Kurtz’ relationship clear.

If we’re going to demand transparency of journalists (and bloggers), we can’t then say that you can’t talk about anything with which you have a relationship. Rebecca MacKinnon said she worked for and admired Eason Jordan and yet she did very good reporting and commentary on this. Kurtz works for two media outlets but, again, he was the only one to write this story.

The point of transparency is that people will tell us their interests and connections and we can then judge them accordingly. You can still judge Kurtz harshly or you can be impressed that he was the one guy to report this: Your choice. And that’s the point.

I’m not defending Kurtz here. I’m defending a position I found myself in at Time Inc. At the end of the day, it was my personal integrity that made me do the right thing in the face of corporate pressure. Because of that pressure, I left the company and the magazine I started. I gave up three years’ salary, bonus and benefits because I would not sign the editors’ contract that would have required me to keep quiet about my time there. Unfortunately, no one wanted to story anyway. But I can tell you the price of that transparency down to the penny.

And you can bet Eason Jordan will (finally) be discussed on CNN tomorrow morning.

: LATER: Timothy Karr writes:

The problem is that much of the story was driven by those seeking to score political points. The new and accurate information that they often uncover is just a byproduct of the witch hunt. This controversy mounted as mainstream news reporters fed off the blogs; their resulting mainstream coverage stoked the ranting pundits on the endless cable talk shows. This media storm then spun back into the blogosphere, which ratcheted the frenzy up another notch . And so on.

The left got their trophy head on Tuesday, now the right’s hoisting theirs. Meanwhile the public cynicism about journalism grows. Perhaps the biggest victim in all of this is the credibility of those many reporters who do do honest work.

As I said below, I wish our goal were not taking off heads but digging up truth.

We don’t want to be positioned as the news lynch mob — which is where a radio interview yesterday tried to go — but as the press of the people. Of course, big media can be a lynch mob, too. But that doesn’t mean it’s an example we should follow.

In the case of Jordan, I don’t know what a poll would show but I don’t think that most people were necessarily after his head; they wanted his admission and his apology. In the case of Gannon, bloggers certainly were after his head — that is, getting him out of the press room — but I, among others, think the stretch into his past lives only reinforces the lynch mob image.

There are two followups to the Jordan story: First, again, we still want that tape. Second, someone at CNN has to explain why he’s gone and I doubt it’s only because of this flap alone.

: MORE…

: Michele Malkin has a good roundup.

: A commenter is right: I need to give major props to Rep. Barney Frank. As Kaus says: “It should also be noted that the controversy was kept alive not just by blogs, but by the refusal of a relatively liberal Democrat, Barney Frank, to sweep it under the rug in gentlemanly fashion.”

: WHAT LIBERAL BLOGOSPHERE? I wrote about both l’affaire Eason and l’affaire Gannon. I just went to liberal blogs — Atrios, Kos, MyDD, and – cough – Alterman — and find nothing about Eason. Major media outlets listed by Kurtz, below, also said nothing about Eason until he quit.

: Micah Sifry says that even with “Jeff Gannon” out of the White House, the great American pastime there remains softball:

Yeah, I’m amused/outraged to learn that this White House gave a press pass to a ringer, but what about all those so-called professional journalists who ask nothing but softball questions, too? Anybody who doesn’t know what I’m talking about ought to watch a tape of the president’s infamous press conference on the eve of the Iraq War, when the peacocks of the press all stumbled over their ties and red dresses in abject acquiescence, afraid to pose a hard one for fear of offending the powers that be. Just because Guckert/Gannon (who certainly didn’t deserve a press pass) is out, we shouldn’t assume that the other “legitimate” reporters in the press room are asking questions that aren’t also subtly shaped by the power of that institution. After all, the White House press office, whether controlled by a Democrat or a Republican, long ago learned that it could tame professional journalists by offering or withholding access, including threatening to push them to a back row or out of the press room entirely or off Air Force One. So, do we really expect any of these men and women of the Fourth Estate to prove that they’re not all that different from “Jeff Gannon”?

: Lost Remote’s Cory Bergman frets:

I think media watchdog blogs play an important role, but this latest story will only lead to greater distrust between media execs and bloggers. Selfishly, it makes our jobs harder here at Lost Remote. Over the past few months, I’ve noticed that media execs who are not familiar with Lost Remote — the very people we’re trying to attract — are becoming less inclined to trust us simply because we’re a “blog.” Back in 1999 when we launched as an “industry news site,” we had trouble landing interviews because people thought we were insignificant. Now that we have a very respectable audience, we’re battling a blog perception problem inside the industry. Very unfortunate.

Perhaps. But I also think that you’ll see more sucking up to citizens’ media for two reasons: First, because media is like a fly to heat and blogs have heat. And second, because they’re going to learn — eventually — that stonewalling and dissing will get them nowhere.

: Just what we needed — the French perspective: EditorsWeblog, an odd endeavor that tries to speak for journalism coming from the world — no small task — has pissed me off before (when they spread the libel on Iraqi blogs without evidence or reporting or fact or the things we like to call journalism). And now they’ve done it again. Bertrand Pecquerie says of the questioning of Eason Jordan (his bolding):

Within the honest community of bloggers, some of them claimed to be the “sons of the First Amendment”, they just were the sons of Senator McCarthy. And this is very worrying to see this new wedding between self-proclaimed citizen’s media and maintstream journalists scalps’ hunters. Fifty years ago, it was enough to be communist to be fired, today, it is enough to raise questions about the Bush administration policy in Iraq to be denounced as “anti-American”.

Once again, Monsieur, you miss the essence of this — the facts, also known as the journalism. The issue here is whether Jordan did or did not say that journalists were targeted by U.S. troops in Iraq and whether he had any facts to back that up. You quote only one person who was there. Many others said he did, indeed, say this. The only way to know is to get the transcript that Davos still refuses to release. Many of us did not call for Jordan’s head but for the facts — something journalists do, you know. We still do not have those facts. In the meantime, CNN apparently got sick and tired of Jordan and booted him. Ask CNN why that happened. Try reporting, Monsieur, before you start throwing around epithets like McCarthyism. And as for making nice with the likes of Saddam Hussein, I could throw around epithets like Vichy… but I won’t.

45 responses to “The news judgment of the public”

  1. HA Avatar

    Jeff,
    At the end of the day, it was my personal integrity that made me do the right thing
    This is the problem. For decades, the media has appointed itself as a fourth unelected, unchecked, all-powerful, quasi-branch of government. The only accountability was the personal integrity of individual journalists.
    The media has grossly abused this power. They view democratically elected politicians as the enemy. They slander the military. They pursue a leftist, internationalist political agenda. They invade people’s privacy with impugnity. They have no restraint and are totally out of control.
    All that has changed. The blogosphere gives citizens the power to put the MSM under the same level of scrutiny that it has turned on everybody else. Their credibility has collapsed.
    Well, the media has set the standard. For the first time they will be subjected to it. The media will be consumed by the flame it sparked.
    Its about time.

  2. HA Avatar

    BTW, I don’t often say good things about Democrats these days. But credit is due to Barney Frank and Chris Dodd for standing up to Jordan in a forum dominated by anti-American bigots and holding him accountable. Bravo!
    Is it too late for one of them to run for the DNC chair?

  3. Dan Schneider Avatar

    Why is it that only the blogosphere seems to care about Eason and Gannon- and each ‘side’ only about one?
    It’s a measure of how out of touch poliblogs are w the real world, since both tales rate little more than a page 17 story in the papers, and barely any mention in the MSM.
    We have a war, Soc Sec hijinks, runaway deficits that will impoverish our grandchildren and a cowardly news producer who won’t stand behind his words and a sicko pervert Right Wing shill are BIG stories? Mama Mia! DAN

  4. AllenS Avatar

    Eason Jordan of CNN is the Mary Mapes of CBS.

  5. veteran journo Avatar
    veteran journo

    Eason Jordan did the right thing by resigning.
    I said in a previous comment I found it hard to believe he mis-spoke because journalists, especially ones as high up as he is, are experts in avoiding mis-speaking and mis-quoting.
    If he said what credible witnesses say he did the follow-up question is: “What was he thinking?”
    Also, Jeff, do you think it is really ok for a top CNN exec. to repeat rumours in a forum like Davos when those same rumours — I’m thinking the Al Jazeera journalist forced to eat his shoes — were not considered suitable for broadcast on CNN because they did not meet acceptable standards of proof? This, to me, is highly problematic.
    In recent years we’ve seen many people who should have resigned fail to do so. Hello George Tenent on September 12th.
    When you make a huge mistake or head up an organization that get things hugely wrong, you’ve got to go.
    Sometimes apologizing is just not good enough.
    This is not just about a cover-up. It’s very much about the substance and ethics behind what was being covered up.

  6. Jos Bleau Avatar

    This is the worst possible outcome.
    Eason’s allegations (before he ‘backtracked’ them) are very widely believed arround the world, and I think he made them more to be popular and to fit in with the Davos crowd rather than from deeply held copviction. He just wanted to be one of the cool kids.
    But by resigning before his charges could be publicly debated and examined, it will be said “they destroyed him for speaking the truth”.
    This will make his allegations all the more deeply beleived, strongly held, and difficult to refute.

  7. Scott Ferguson Avatar

    “A little integrity is better than any career.” –Ralph Waldo Emerson
    Howard Kurtz brought up more back story about Jordan’s resignation than any blogger did, or perhaps could.
    One thing that separates journalists from bloggers: a blogger can pick up or drop blogging at will. It’s a hobby; it’s not a way to put food on the table. By contrast, anybody who lasts more than a couple of years as a journalist does so because it’s a calling, since it’s a lousy way to make a living for most people who pursue it. Sure, you can try to find work on a Guild newspaper or for one of the so-called major networks, but the number of open positions any given year is shrinking due to declining circulation and viewership. Most jobs in journalism are at small dailies, weeklies, and second-tier TV stations; requiring long, weird hours and horrible compensation.
    Howard Kurtz paid his dues. Journalism is his calling. I don’t think he was going to report the Jordan story until it was fleshed out to his satisfaction. Perhaps he was goaded into action by the bloggers; but the access he earned by his standing as a professional gave us insight into Jordan’s situation that the bloggers, as outsiders and amateurs, could never have.
    We need journalists, and we need bloggers. Each performs a separate role in the Fifth Estate
    As for Eason Jordon, who spent more than 20 years at CNN, and who will probably never have that kind of position again for the rest of his life, I see a tragedy. Maybe he was a victim of his own hubris. Maybe he should have been sidelined by his management so he couldn’t damage himself. Perhaps he was one promotion beyond his capabilities. If bloggers engage in triumphalism over that, then it’s truly ugly, and they should be ashamed.

  8. Kathleen A Avatar

    I was somewhat concerned of the ‘blogswarm’ which has shown itself in the past few big stories – Jeff Gannon and Eason Jordan. In reality though – I think the blogosphere has demonstrated an amazing amount of truth in itself. If they get something wrong – they link to a correction and admit it. If the whole story is proven false – they provide all those links and say they were wrong openly – or someone else in the blogosphere will do that. I’m not sure things like someone’s sex life, etc. is something anyone should be digging into – but – the basis for the ‘blogswarm’ was justified in the case of Gannon and Jordan. I never saw anything about Jordan’s personal life in the coverage on the blogs. Gannon was outed and should have been based on not being who he said he was – his sex life or whatever doesn’t matter.
    The difference the media isn’t understanding is what they will mark the blogosphere with – as being a ‘mob’. Democracy is mob rule also – but the blogosphere has checks and balances that play off each other. When a blogger on the left reports or exposes something – the bloggers on the right check it out and agree or call it out as a lie and vice versa. Believe it or not – the left and the right of the blogosphere are balancing each other – like democracy in action. The media thinks it’s ‘above’ the blogosphere, etc. – but they’re wrong. The blogosphere can fact check the hell out of a story that most journalists are too lazy to do. The MSM has seen their obituary – but they think they can close their eyes and make it not so. It is so. The blogosphere is enacting democracy and they (and no one) can stop it.

  9. Yehudit Avatar

    “I never saw anything about Jordan’s personal life in the coverage on the blogs.”
    His relationship with Daniel Pearl’s widow was mentioned in various places, but didn’t play a large role in the story.

  10. Papa Ray Avatar

    It has been touched on by others, but bears repeating and repeating.
    We. Are. At. War.
    But in an amazing way and in a very disturbing way, most people in the United States just don’t understand that fact. I hope that it will not take another terrorist attack to make it real in every American’s mind, but it sure looks like that is what it will take.
    This whole situation reminds me of the history of the US (and a lot of the rest of the world) in the mid to late 1930’s.
    Papa Ray
    West Texas
    USA

  11. Scott Chaffin Avatar

    As I said below, I wish our goal were not taking off heads but digging up truth.
    Jeff, please. The blogosphere LEARNED from the media and journalists. We are doing what YOU taught us, and doing it the WAY you taught us. Heads on pikes, skins on walls…that’s the way it’s been measured (and rewarded) since I’ve been old enough to read the papers.
    Your buddy is right the public is cynical about journalism. All I can say to that is — that’s news?
    By the way — a prediction: the tape will not be officially released, but it will make it’s way out and it will show this Jordan donkey to be as smarmy and mealy-mouthed as he sounds in print.

  12. Jim Treacher Avatar

    “It’s a measure of how out of touch poliblogs are w the real world, since both tales rate little more than a page 17 story in the papers, and barely any mention in the MSM.”
    Sounds like your horse is having a bit of trouble pushing your cart.

  13. Chris Josephson Avatar
    Chris Josephson

    “The problem is that much of the story was driven by those seeking to score political points.”
    “The left got their trophy head on Tuesday, now the right’s hoisting theirs.”
    What a cynical way of looking at this. Just some sort of game played on a political chessboard.
    Not everyone looks to ‘score political points’. Some of us don’t care at all about the politics of a situation.
    We care, in this case, about charges of murder (deliberately targeting reporters = murder to me) being leveled at our service men and women by one of the leading news executives in our country.
    I live in MA and one of our congressmen, Barney Frank, happened to be present when the Jordan made the accusation against our troops. I am VERY glad Congressman Frank spoke up.
    I have been in touch with Frank’s office. He was very willing to follow this up and start investigations, if needed. He understood these accusations to be very serious ones.
    Congressman Frank can’t be accused of being part of some ‘right wing conspiracy’. I didn’t view this as a left/right or Dem/Repub issue. I viewed this as a very serious issue that SHOULD have concerned every American.

  14. John Avatar

    One thing to note on the reactions to the Jordan story vs. the Gannon story is the difference in how fast the big media outlets jumped on the latter, while having to be dragged almost kicking and sreaming into covering the former.
    In the Gannon case, it took only five days between the time he asked his question and the publication of the first major story revealimg his name change and questioning those web domain registrations. In the Jordan case, it was over a week and a half before any major outlet gave the story significant space, and Kurtz’s initial take was tepid, in comparison to the Boston’s Globe’s revelations about Gannon.
    The question asked by Gannon was implicitly an attack on the news media, so under those cirumstances it’s not surprising that the media would find going after him to be a much more enjoyable job that having to push the World Economic Forum people to release the Davos tape. But the press’ job isn’t just to avenge personal insults against themselves — when someone like Jordan makes a charge against the U.S. military that’s far more serious than anything in Gannon’s question, covering the story shouldn’t be greeted with the same reaction as taking a trip to the dentist. And the fact that people like Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd who in no way, shape or form could be considered part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy were failing to come to Jodran’s rescue should have told the media there was more than just smoke involved with this story.

  15. Ruth Avatar

    There have been a number of comments that made Jeff’s dwelling on the Gannon and Jordan stories a point of contention, because there are other and more important stories in the press.
    If you want to read about social security, the budget, the war, you can go to other posts of Jeff’s, or other sites where they are central, including news sites.
    If you want anything at all to be made of Jordan’s blunder, you can’t read about it in the press until several days after it was carried, and held up for comment, here and in other blogs.
    That’s the point.

  16. Robert McClelland Avatar

    Wheeee! American freedom of speech slides ever further into the sewer. I love it. You rubes are creating such a climate of fear that people will simple stop saying anything lest it rile up some nobody with an internet connection and result in severe punishment by the witch hunters.
    So much for, “I may not agree with what you have to say but I’ll defend your right to say it.”
    I suggest that be replaced with, “I probably won’t agree with what you have to say so you better not say it or else you’ll suffer the consequences. Sieg Heil!”

  17. Robert McClelland Avatar

    Ps. My sentiment applies equally to the Gannon fiasco too.

  18. capitano Avatar

    : A commenter is right: I need to give major props to Rep. Barney Frank. As Kaus says: “It should also be noted that the controversy was kept alive not just by blogs, but by the refusal of a relatively liberal Democrat, Barney Frank, to sweep it under the rug in gentlemanly fashion.”

    Yes, I thought the same thing. Then I wondered whether it was more noteworthy that a partisan Democrat would defend the U.S. military against unsupported slander or that we would find it necessary to trumpet something most U.S. citizens would expect as a matter of course.
    Still, good for Barney.

  19. Ruth Avatar

    Robert McClelland:
    Actually, I believe that was supposedly spoken by one of the members of the Constitutional Congress (Phila?), and it’s “… defend *to the death* your right to say it.”
    No one’s denying anyone the right to color the truth, as a private citizen … just as a head executive of a news organization, and subsequently not ‘fess up.
    If you want to read coloration of the truth, the Fox networks will oblige you. CNN makes its reputation another sort.

  20. kl Avatar

    “Ps. My sentiment applies equally to the Gannon fiasco too.”
    You sentiment seems to apply equally to everything. Change the record, son.

  21. Greg Avatar

    I want to see the Davos tape to know if I’m mad, sad or glad.
    Or all 3.

  22. Insufficiently Sensitive Avatar
    Insufficiently Sensitive

    Dan Schneider: “It’s a measure of how out of touch poliblogs are w the real world, since both tales rate little more than a page 17 story in the papers, and barely any mention in the MSM.”
    What MSM bias relegates to Page 17, those of us with functioning brains would like to be informed of, in depth, now. What a joy that the MSM monopoly is broken. It’s been out of touch with the real world for so long we thought it was hopeless. Go bloggers!

  23. LT Avatar

    Robert McC
    I would say to you that this has little to do with freedom of speech. In the United States, if your familiar with the country, does allow its citizens the right to freely express one’s opinion. It does not, however, allow one the right to defame or slander someone’s name or character, by wrongfully alleging the commission of serious crimes(in this case murder). For example, i could accuse you of being guilty of a number of things, aside from being ignorant. Saying that you may be ignorant of understanding free speech (my opinion), is far different from me saying i’m aware of several instances in which you have committed felonious crimes. I could be held accountable by you and the law for the latter. Plus, you probably wouldn’t like it very much, as I am sure our soldiers don’t Jordan’s accusations.
    LT

  24. rosignol Avatar

    Why is it that only the blogosphere seems to care about Eason and Gannon- and each ‘side’ only about one?
    Well, to the right side of the blogosphere, Gannon’s sin seems to be throwing a softball question. I genuinely do not understand why it is such a bad thing that the President might get a friendly question or two at a press conference along with the hostile ones. From my POV, this smells like status-conscious journos are unhappy that someone cut ahead in the pecking order and are inventing a scandal to punish the person who did it.
    On the other hand, Jordan Eason ran CNN’s news operation, and was in a position to decide what stories would get airtime, what stories wouldn’t, and if he believes the US military is deliberately killing journalists, but doesn’t report it on CNN, I want to know why. This is far, far, far more important than softball questions at a white house press conference because it raises questions about the quality of the information that the debate over Iraq is based on.
    Someone else can explain why the lefty blogs reverse the priorities. I don’t understand it, myself.

  25. LT Avatar

    We can’t all be soldiers, but we can at least stand with them at home and abroad. I think this goes to the issue of what’s more important. Would that be the soldier doing his job, fighting the enemy that is trying to kill him, or protecting the reporter that is trying to film him? Many of us think the MSM needs to get a grip or a new reality check. Enter Jordan.
    This is one of the lynch mob that receives zero satisfaction, unless the message was received loud and clear: Foreign policy disputes should remain on American soil.

  26. J. Peden Avatar

    Jos Bleau: the rule of Head Start Leftists is that no matter what it is, you are always wrong, wrong, wrong. The sky is always falling, and the pitfalls always too severe and frightening. The future is always too ominous.
    So you have to do it your way, the right way, so far as you can honestly tell. “To be or not to be…”
    You can’t account for what people will conclude. Nuts/conspiracy theorists abound and will hold their fastastic views to the end, which they have had from the start, the Head Start of Relativism, gross irrationality, and personal pop-up thoughts and schemas self-contradictatorally backed up by self-annointment.
    It might not have been the “best” way, but it is what happened, so it is now the only way.
    The possibilities were totally elucidated and the sight was not pretty.
    I know: “et tu quoque”. Not!

  27. J. Peden Avatar

    And one other thing: Barney Frank is probably truely rational and very intelligent. I wondered where he had gone to. His action might be a good sign for the Democratic Party, if not also for the Country.
    But watch for the LLL Democrats to try to eat one of their own, a-gain. I’m thinking of their villification of the DLC, and even Romer, as yet but another “enemy.

  28. Ken C. Avatar

    “Well, to the right side of the blogosphere, Gannon’s sin seems to be throwing a softball question.”
    “Someone else can explain why the lefty blogs reverse the priorities. I don’t understand it, myself.”
    Gannon is a Republican political operative, given cover by Bush to pretend to be a journalist; he was admitted to the White House under a false name for two years, violating security protocols and common sense; he was part of a propaganda campaign, together with phony news reports and “journalists” who were paid taxpayer dollars to shill for Bush.
    Although exactly what Jordan said has not been made public, apparently he said something disparaging about the U.S. military at an off-the-record session. This was wrong, as he admits. Someone else can explain why the righty blogs see this as more important than a sustained, systematic disinformation campaign using taxpayer funds. I don’t understand it, myself.

  29. capitano Avatar

    And then there’s this curious line:
    Even as he said he had misspoken at an international conference in suggesting that coalition troops had “targeted” a dozen journalists and insisted he never believed that, Jordan was being pounded hourly by bloggers, liberals as well as conservatives, who provided the rocket fuel for a story that otherwise might have fizzled.
    Not sure what he means by that. Is he saying it’s a nonstory made a story by pounding bloggers?

    I can think of three possibilities:
    1. CNN/Time-Warner execs and board members were forced to disable comments from their own personal blogs and adopt new screen names because the “pounding” in the blogosphere was too uncomfortable.
    2. Judy Woodruff and Aaron Brown were having a tough time keeping a straight face when claiming they were unaware of the Eason Jordan flap.
    3. The CNN/Time-Warner execs saw the Davos tape, heard Democrat Senator Chris Dodd on Don Imus’ Radio/TV show call for CNN to release the tape , and saw the future: Eason Jordan starring in a reprise of Howard Dean’s scream loop playing on Fox, MSNBC, and in RNC commercials for the next 6 months.
    The blogs kept it alive and fed in new info, but Jordan’s gone because CNN knew the truth and saw the future. The only other factors are that they might have been looking for an excuse to dump him and/or that a prolonged inquiry into this mess would turn up scandals even more harmful to CNN.

  30. rosignol Avatar

    What is the distinction between a ‘political operative’ and a reporter or columnist for a media outlet that caters to a specific part of the political spectrum? From my pov, it’s been abundantly clear for many years that journalists are not impartial, unbiased, or objective in what they report- so the objection seems to be that his bias is not one that other ‘journalists’ agree with.
    Two essential questions that have to be answered in the affirmative for me to consider the Gannon affair a serious matter:
    1) was anything he said at the press briefings, or any answer to a question he asked at said briefings, false?
    2) was he given any money by the US government for doing so?
    As near as I can tell, the fuss is 1) he asked ‘friendly’ questions, 2) while using a pen name, 3) working for an outlet that caters to Republicans.
    Would there be any fuss if he asked hostile questions, while using a pen name, working for an outfit that caters to Democrats? I expect the answer is no, but I would like to hear someone tell me why I’m wrong.

  31. Ken C. Avatar

    “What is the distinction between a ‘political operative’ and a reporter or columnist for a media outlet that caters to a specific part of the political spectrum?”
    When that “media outlet” is identical to a Republican organization, and has very few readers, and its output is paraphrases of Republican press releases, and the “reporter” has no background in journalism, or apparently writing of any kind, then we can safely call the “reporter” a political operative. We all know that Fox News is a propaganda outlet, but at least they do some reporting, in however slanted a way, and (unfortunately) have some viewers.
    When that “reporter” or “columnist” is accepted by the White House on a frequent basis for two years, in violation of all prior practice, and feeds softball questions to Bush, then the “press conference” is made a sham, a lie. The public’s right to know becomes just an empty show, not unlike those closed rallies of handpicked supporters that Bush held, but even more dishonest.
    But I have a feeling you understand all this already.

  32. Tom Villars Avatar

    First, because media is like a fly to heat and blogs have heat.

    lol

  33. rosignol Avatar

    When that “reporter” or “columnist” is accepted by the White House on a frequent basis for two years, in violation of all prior practice, and feeds softball questions to Bush, then the “press conference” is made a sham, a lie. The public’s right to know becomes just an empty show, not unlike those closed rallies of handpicked supporters that Bush held, but even more dishonest.
    If I want to know something, I check google, not a Press Conference (at the White House, Congress, or elsewhere). Press Conferences have always been about getting out information the party holding the Press Conference wants in the news, and I’m amazed that you appear to be unaware of this.
    ps: you seem to object to campaign rallies that don’t let in hecklers. Is that only when Republicans do it, or do you really think Democrats don’t do exactly the same thing?
    Just for the record, I support the rights of all political parties to hold hecker-free campaign rallies.

  34. Ken C. Avatar

    “If I want to know something, I check google, not a Press Conference (at the White House, Congress, or elsewhere). Press Conferences have always been about getting out information the party holding the Press Conference wants in the news, and I’m amazed that you appear to be unaware of this.”
    Are you indeed telling me that press conferences have always included ringers, non-reporters working for the president’s party, political operatives planted to provide softball questions?
    You believe that such things went on, pre-Bush?
    I had thought that press conferences were an opportunity for the public, via a free and independent press, to question those in power. But you’re quite sure that was never the case?
    You believe that attendance at political rallies has always, even pre-Bush, required loyalty oaths of the attendees? That public events have always had, in the name of “security”, the clearing away of those who might possibly disagree?
    I take it that you think that reporters attending inaugural parties have always had “minders” from the party in power, following them around to intimidate them and those they question?
    You live in a remarkably harsh world, where all political events are nothing but an empty Kabuki dance of lies. I don’t want to live in your world. Thanks to Bush and the Republicans, looks like I’m going to have to.

  35. hikingguy Avatar

    Ken, Ken, Ken,
    Please. Take your Prozac and read about the love dance between JFK and Ben Bradlee. Politics and Press have been about mutual stroking for a very long time. The reason the MSM despises Bush so much is that he (a) doesn’t give a damn what they think, and (b) is getting away with it, because most of Americans don’t give a damn about what MSM thinks, either.

  36. LT Avatar

    Who is Silvergrit, and why would you post somethin under LT, as if I did it?

  37. oodja Avatar

    Being a citizen of the great Commonwealth of Massachusetts, I’m proud of Barney Frank for putting a respect for the truth and personal responsibility ahead of any partisan considerations in the Jordan affair. Would that all elected officials shared a similar committment – remind me again, how many people in the Bush Administration lost their jobs in the wake of 9/11 and the botched occupation of Iraq?
    Oh yeah, that’s right: zero.
    Make one exaggerated claim as a Leftie and prepare to be crucified, whereas you can lie your ass off so long as you’re the current President of the United States or one of his trusted advisors. Got it. Yay, America! The system obviously works…

  38. Ken C. Avatar

    Hikingguy, Hikingguy, Hikingguy, Hikingguy,
    Indeed, Bush is quite the brave character, standing up to that mean old “MSM”. He’s got nothing but that stern force of character of his, forged in the fires of lifelong adversity and TANG champagne unit service. (2/3 of such service, anyway.)
    He’s only a few proud Americans to help him.
    He’s only got Rupert Murdoch, pouring money down a hole to keep the NY Post going; he’s only got Father Moon, dumping money into a paper run by Sons of the Confederacy; he’s only got the Scaife, Bradley, and Olin Foundations funding progaganda mills for him; he’s only got Fox News, Sinclair Broadcasting, and ClearChannel pulling for him. He’s only got that junky Rush, sex machine Bill, Michael “Savage” Wiener, Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity and the like, throwing accusations of treason at large numbers of Americans for him.
    It’s a proud but lonely fight. It’s no wonder that, masterful quick thinker though he may be, he still needs press conferences with ringers, and political events with no one let in who hasn’t drunk the KoolAid. Sometimes even local elected officials must be kept away; Bush is that careful.
    No, you’re right. Bush is one kickass dude.
    (Oh, and just to save you trouble in the future, here’s some more sneering, pointless, personal insults for you to use:
    “don’t get your panties/knickers in a twist/bunch/wad”
    “Take a Midol and lie down”
    “What’s the matter, on the rag?”
    “I’ve got some extra tinfoil for you”
    )

  39. LT Avatar

    Ken C
    I find it hard to believe your agitated by someone “throwing accusations” around, yet you’re not moved by accusations of murder. What gives? And as far as having media organizations “pulling for him”, I’m sure we could list several that that aren’t. Hey, I think one of them may be CNN…
    LT

  40. Ken C. Avatar

    “yet you’re not moved by accusations of murder”
    I take it you refer to Eason Jordan. I’ve seen nothing to indicate that he accused anyone of murder. He said, for example, “I have never once in my life thought anyone from the U.S. military tried to kill a journalist. Never meant to suggest that. Obviously I wasn’t as clear as I should have been on that panel.”
    I think it is remarkable over-reaching to seize on his remarks to imply that CNN is biased against the Bush administration. While less biased for Bush than Fox, CNN seems to have pretty much decided to lean right.
    Incidentally, which do you think are more serious, accusations of murder, or accusations of treason?
    Do you think, with Ann Coulter, that the military *should* be targeting journalists, and that Timothy McVeigh should have bombed the NY Times building? Has there been any disavowal of her remarks by her Republican allies?

  41. J.R. Avatar

    CNN seems to have pretty much decided to lean right.
    Hey Ken, what’s your name at democratic underground?? I’d love to read some of your other theories. So do you think the New York Times is a conservative newspaper as well?

  42. Ken C. Avatar

    “Hey Ken, what’s your name at democratic underground?? I’d love to read some of your other theories. So do you think the New York Times is a conservative newspaper as well?”
    Despite the tiresome 99% ad hominem here, I’ll bite a little: the NY Times has a number of reporters who lean right: Adam Nagourney, with his “some Democrats worry” pieces; Elizabeth Bumiller, with her love letters from the White House, and her belief that her job is to pass on Bush White House spin; Judith Miller and her WMD nonsense; Kit Seelye.
    Howell Raines managed dozens of editorials raging about the Whitewater non-scandal, but the scandals and crimes of Bush and company get tepid, “measured” criticism in the Times.
    In general, they’re beaten down by wingnuts “working the refs”, and they rarely get past “he said/she said” journalism, so that when Bush says the earth is flat, they discuss that for twenty paragraphs, and eventually say something like “some Democrats were critical of the flat-earth theory”.

  43. rosignol Avatar

    …remind me again, how many people in the Bush Administration lost their jobs in the wake of 9/11 and the botched occupation of Iraq?
    Oh yeah, that’s right: zero.
    Does the name “George Tenet” mean anything to you?

  44. Mike Nargizian Avatar
    Mike Nargizian

    LYNCHMOB?
    Isn’t that what occured for real in the spring and fall of 2002? I could have sworn that was a real live shark feeding all out and out lynchmob if I ever saw one… and by such ’eminent’ and ‘respectable’ left wing MSM (though mainly in Europe ‘inteligencia) –

    1) The Guardian
    2) The Nation
    3) The Independent
    4) Reuters, AFP, AP, Knight Ridder etc….

    Though all these are silent on the story of the head of CNN saying that US troops target journalists?
    Mike

  45. Timothy Jarvis Avatar
    Timothy Jarvis

    I just became aware of the Eason Jordan story today when I read the ‘Kathleen Parker’ editorial in the Orlando Sentinel. Her editorial was consisted of mostly fear without logic or perspective. Her problem was that bloggers had caused Mr. Jordan to lose his job. There was no embarrassment about the fact that journalists writing often make others loss their job because of exposed incompetence. Evidently Ms. Parker believes that journalists should keep their jobs no matter how incompetent they become.