Forget red vs. blue states — it’s urban vs. ex

Forget red vs. blue states — it’s urban vs. ex

: Staring at more molecular red vs. blue maps, it became obvious:

This isn’t about state vs. state. This is about urban vs. everybody else. Urban is blue, everybody else is red.

But it’s more than politics. It’s about culture and pride and judgment and snot.

I was thinking this as I took my intolerable commute this morning: Two hours and 15 friggin’ minutes — with no visible accidents or rational explanations for the traffic jams — to get from my house to the Hellish Hilton in New York for the Ad:Tech conference. And I’m asking myself, “Is this worth it?” and, “Is this anyway to live?” and, “How come I have to do this?” Well, because it’s New York, of course, center of the universe.

The New Yorkers I know treat the fact that I live halfway to Cleveland as something they don’t talk about out of deference to me. It’s like Martha Stewart’s friends not mentioning jail or felonies or stock or crab apples around her. I live in the ‘burbs — the suburbs, the exurbs, somewhere out there. But they like me anyway.

And this, I saw, was the real divide in America. Most of America lives in the suburbs now, but we don’t talk about that, we don’t admit that. We in the media elite still act as if they’re going to go away: Levittown will crumble. We act as if cities are still the center of the action in America and as if farms are what’s left. No, most Americans are suburbanites today. And proud of it. Almost.

I will admit that I never thought I’d live in the ‘burbs. In fact, I wrote that in an email to a long-long-lost friend just the other day, as in: Imagine that, me, in the ‘burbs. We grew up in them and thought we’d never return. Go figger.

But here I am and I like the ‘burbs. I have land and trees around me and convenience and places to park my car and good schools and quiet and stores and malls and a big house, nya, nya, nya.

Do I sound defensive? Sure. I’m a suburbanite.

When the majority of the country who voted for Bush talk about being demeaned it’s not really about religion (we’re not a nation of Bible-thumpers), it’s about being from the boonies. The city slickers look down their noses at us ‘burbans. They don’t venture out here. They act as if it’s a wasteland when it’s our home. They are out of touch with the majority of America. The cultural reality yields the political reality.

And on the train — the third train I take after a long drive — I read David Brooks’ column, one of his good ones, about just this:

Ninety percent of the office space built in America in the 1990’s was built in suburbia, usually in low office parks along the interstates. Now you have a tribe of people who not only don’t work in cities, they don’t commute to cities or go to the movies in cities or have any contact with urban life. You have these huge, sprawling communities with no center….

Movies from “The Graduate” to “American Beauty” have reinforced the idea that the suburbs are bland, materialistic, ticky-tacky boxes in a hillside where people are conformist on the outside and hollow within. The stereotype is absurd, but it closes off fresh thinking….

On the one hand, people move to exurbs because they want some order in their lives. They leave places with arduous commutes, backbreaking mortgages, broken families and stressed social structures and they head for towns with ample living space, intact families, child-friendly public culture and intensely enforced social equality. That’s bourgeois.

On the other hand, they are taking a daring leap into the unknown, moving to towns that have barely been built, working often in high-tech office parks doing pioneering work in biotech and nanotechnology. These exurbs are conservative but also utopian – Mayberrys with BlackBerrys.

The Republicans won in part because Bush and Rove understand this culture. Everybody is giving advice to Democrats these days, and mine is don’t take any advice from anybody with access to the media – including me, just to be safe.

Get out into the sprawl, into that other conversation. Take your time. It’s a new world out there.

There’s still a touch of snoot in even this sympathetic piece, as if the ‘burbs are still a strange place rather than the true center of the action and culture and politics in America. Nonetheless, Brooks is right.

And I ended my day hearing an unnamed major media executive (unnamed because it was at an off-the-record event) talking about this very same phenom: Big media isn’t so much liberal as urban, he said; there’s a different world view and the election revealed that. New Orleans went for Kerry; Louisiana went for Bush; St. Louis went for Kerry; Missouri went for Bush; urban vs. ex.

The best thing the Democrats can do is move out to the ‘burbs. You’ll survive, believe me. I did.

45 responses to “Forget red vs. blue states — it’s urban vs. ex”

  1. Frank Martin Avatar

    And if it was Highway 66 and the automobile that let the Oakies of the 1930’s migrate to California, its the Internet thats enabling so much of the move to “exurbia”.
    The presence of broadband in a rural community or neighborhood is driving many of the former big city dwellers to leave their 2 hour each way commutes for the work-remote option. Outsourcing is not just for India, it’s going on right here at home.
    Building new office space is for companies that are still stuck in the 1980’s, the smart ones build VPN and web conferencing systems and make sure their employees are self starters able to work remote in a “follow the sun” methodology that lets employers get more work out of a day and yet give their employees more job satisfaction at a lower cost and thus, both employee and employer benefit. While office space is still being built, its being built in smaller sections in a more distributed deployment around the edge of cities that allows employees to “hotel” their use of office space and work at home more often. The days of companies creating large company campuses is over. Its not that they have less employees it’s that they are working all over the place.
    Lets face it, in 1980 you had to go to an office for many of the things you probably have today at home. The rise of the corporate information systems and their deployment on the web and the growth of instant communication infrastructure has made it possible for the average office worker to work today in ways that were unimaginable in the 1980s.
    In this century, the purpose of cities and the primacy of “place” will be challenged in ways we can barely imagine today.
    (“Exurbia”, I like the sound of that…)

  2. dick Avatar

    While I agree with much of what you say, I think you do not go quite far enough. It is not just Exurbia. It is the combination of suburbia, exurbia and the places even farther out that that.
    I grew up in Ohio, small city Ohio. What is fascinating about the state is that there are 88 counties and most of those counties have a city that has about 10,000 population and a couple more that are about 3-4,000. Bush won almost all of those counties. That is a description of a whole lot of the country. Small cities with smaller towns around them surrounded by farms. The farmers come to the small cities to work so they can afford to stay on their farms. They vote conservative for the most part. This makes up a whole lot of people out there and they are active. They are patriotic and religious and caring and have very strong value systems – not just the religious right that the dems claim. That is where Bush won the election.

  3. Ricky D Avatar

    Agreed —
    I grew up in one of the movie-quality stereotypically-perfect suburbs (about 20 minutes outside of Houston) and agree with almost everything said there, both about the ‘burbs and the election.
    What I can’t figure out is not the blue/red interaction, but the strength and cause of it…
    Why are the blue urban folks having such a violent reaction to it? There are tons of examples of this stuff around the Internet — Jesusland secessions, the unlearnable idiot red(state)necks, etc — but is it the migration of more suburban-minded folks out or what?
    That’s what I don’t get. It’s hard for me to imagine city-dwellers being so insulated.
    Har har, there’s my pro-burb snoot.

  4. Eileen Avatar

    Say, Jeff?
    Come on out from the burbs. It’s just one more step. It took me a long time to get here……from urbs and burbs in L.A., S.F., S.D. D.C., Atlanta, Paris……….and little towns like Brunswick, GA, as a kid.
    Come on home – just one more step out from the burbs – and forget your commute for all time. Trust me. Now I zig-zag at 25 mph on side streets to avoid red lights. It’s Truly Better That Way.
    Finally I have arrived in quintessential American perfection – Coeur d’Alene, Idaho. It’s a year ’round resort town in an area of forty lakes and perfect beauty. What?, the readers scoff? Well, I guess you ain’t never been here before. This is it.
    Trust me, m’dear. As a former commuter of all times and ways and cities,……trust me.
    Hey, I’ll cook dinner for you and your family when you arrive.
    You are spot on in this thread! You just have one teensy more step to take, to come on home. You really Don’t need to commute any more, what with wi-fi and all.

  5. pele Avatar

    Ick bin ein ‘burber

  6. Hope Avatar

    I am going to pretend to be David Brooks and offer a glib and pseudo-sociological portrait of parts of America:
    1) NPR Land—This offers a mixed picture. Look at this from NPR’s Web site. It captures perfectly their demographic. The fairly affluent urbanite Broooksian “bobo” in her element:
    “What is a Driveway MomentSM?
    Maybe it’s happened to you as it has to countless others…
    You’re driving home, listening to a story on NPR. Suddenly, you find yourself in your driveway (or parking space or parking garage). Rather than turn the radio off, you stay in your car to hear the piece to the end. It’s a Driveway Moment.”
    And yet public broadcasting is in fairly continuous fundraising mode, which suggests that much of its audience has shifted to the BBC for free on the Internet and more will soon depart to satellite radio (though NPR hopes to establish a presence there).
    2) Local newspapers matter less and less. I live in Corvallis, Oregon (NPR land). The Corvallis-Gazette-Times matters far less than it once did to people of my age (41) and younger for whom to be mentioned in its pages was the height of celebrity thirty years ago. Now the GT is giving away copies in the hopes of attracting subscribers who just don’t need it, save for those with kids in high school who want to read the sports section, which makes up a huge part of the paper.
    3) There is the divide between towns with colleges and those without. In towns, however small, with a university tenured liberals will disproportionately form opinion. They are the ones quoted on, of course, the local NPR mouthpiece and in the newspapers that still hold some sway but increasingly less. Who really cares anymore whom newspapers endorse for president, for instance, except for NPR broadcasters?
    4) Brooks tried to market his “patio man.” That appellation didn’t really catch on. You could just as easily try, “Waitress mama,” or “Office lady…” to signify those who voted for Bush but who don’t care about party politics at all.
    5) Note that the angry bluers talk of emigrating to Canada—a rich country with a cushy welfare system. No Third World despotisms for them.
    Hope
    http://humorhangout.blogspot.com/

  7. carsonfire Avatar

    *applause* Breath of fresh air. Especially after hearing all the twaddle about how this election was about gay marriage.
    Unfortunately, seems that most of the troops on the left are saying the same thing they said after 2002… we weren’t loud enough, we weren’t strident enough, we didn’t make the charges against the other side hysterical enough, we didn’t make it clear enough that we’re completely different, etc… the very things that are going to shrivel their margin more and more in future elections. And Howard Dean for DNC chair is not a hopeful sign.
    But if JJ gets it, maybe more and more smart Democrats will get it… I’d rather see a sane, competitive Democratic party than an insane, marginalized competition.

  8. turbulent priest Avatar

    You nailed it Jeff. Cities are now for the very poor and the very rich. The rest of us commute.

  9. Rex Hammock Avatar

    Jeff. I live is in true blue county (55% Kerry) in a rigidly red state (55% Bush). I am so confused. By the way, the state I live in has already tried that secession thing except we had lots of red counties in the eastern part of the state that wouldn’t go along. Also, history teaches that the result of secession is the bleeding of a lot of red and blue blood. Not worth it.

  10. Hope Avatar

    About these comments:
    I’d rather see a sane, competitive Democratic party than an insane, marginalized competition.
    Posted by carsonfire
    Weird that Bill Clinton spent all those years on the DLC triangulating, becoming fiscally responsible, effecting welfare reform and using American power responsibly only to come out endorsing the New England unelectable aging hippie crowd. Tony Blair is still standing.
    Hope
    http://humorhangout.blogspot.com/

  11. Jesse Avatar

    Frank, I’d give one of my testicles to be able to work from home. Please convince my boss for me.

  12. Easycure Avatar

    Viva la Exurbia!

  13. Tony Alva Avatar

    Very astute piece Jeff. I left NY 15 years ago for a couple of reasons, one being that I wanted to, at some point in my life, own my own home. My folks aren’t well off (dad was career military) and it became apparent quick in my young professional life that becoming a property owner in the NYC or metro area was not going to happen anytime soon. I have many friends still in the area and in the last couple of years have really considered a move back, mostly because of what I miss about all the good things NYC has to offer. I have recently hosted for the first time here at my home in suburban Atlanta some friends from Gotham who at one point quipped, “Now I see why you are so reluctant to give this up…”. I sort of sensed that my guests were truly amazed at how balanced our lives are out here in the nether world. That our neighborhood is ethnically and racially balanced yet there is harmony. We actually talk to and know each other. We don’t have boroughs drawn on these lines. I don’t know how our subdivision fleshed out in the polls officially, but I know that the neighbors I talk to are as divided as the final Nat

  14. Dann Avatar

    Jeff-
    This one rings all the bells and the sirens.
    I’d like to add that the same trend was evident in the 2000 election. Mr. Gore, Mr. Kerry, and by extension the Democratic Party has become representative of regional interests. The region they represent is the megopolises…megopoli.
    And the whole reason for the electoral college is to make it more difficult for regional candidates to be elected as President.
    Regards, Dann

  15. Franky Avatar

    “rather than the true center of the action and culture and politics in America.”
    Ok, I get the comfort part about living in the suburbs and it’s certainly true what someone else said that the cities are increasingly for the rich and the poor.
    What I don’t get is how the suburbs are now the center of the action and culture? All the culture I’ve ever seen related to the suburbs is about how the artist can’t wait to get out of the suburbs – and live somewhere else.
    Dear God, do we really want to become a nation of subarbanites? Or is it too late to stop the rot.

  16. Andrew Tyndall Avatar

    Jeff, when we study the blue-vs-red county map, there are a couple of exceptions to your theory.
    First, the clusters of rural counties that are blue: primarily in the Mississippi Delta, the rural desert southwest and the non-Appalachian counties of the Bible Belt.
    Second, the inner suburbs around the biggest cities.
    What these two groups have in common with the cities themselves are their ethnic and racial multiculturalism. Your elision of Brooks’ vision of the exurbs with your defense of suburbia in general fits your rhetoric. However, I think it bends the demographic data.
    I have heard that there is a high correlation between the whiteness of a county and its redness on the map. Homogenous Caucasian counties voted disproportionately for Bush. Even majority-white counties with a substantial non-white minority voted for Kerry. I believe that all majority non-white counties voted blue too. If anyone has the data to test this, can you supply a link?
    Suburbia and exurbia are not the same. The older, inner suburbs tend to be poorer, more multicultural, more unionized, more dependent on government (mass transit, social services, non-volunteer municipal provision) and clearly more Democratic.
    Similarly, all rural areas are not the same. All-white rural counties tended to vote red. Racially-mixed ones did not.

  17. Mike G Avatar

    I post a lot on food boards, notably LTHForum.com, so food trends are how I spot general trends. And one of the things that we’ve really uncovered is how much diversity there is in restaurants in the Chicago suburbs, for instance. The stereotype is that there’s only Applebee’s and Olive Gardens out there, and certainly along many of the major expressways you could believe that. But I could just as easily direct you to major enclaves of Polish, Mexican, middle eastern, even Japanese and Indian food out in certain suburbs as the second generation of immigrants moves out of the city into the burbs, just like anybody else, and then opens up shops and restaurants to serve communities which have enough of a population concentration to support not only restaurants but ones which don’t have to become too gringofied to survive (as, say, the only Indian restaurant in Evanston would have had to a decade or two ago).

  18. honesty Avatar

    Let’s be real.
    It’s not urban vs. surburban. It’s not even non-white vs white (though that’d be more accurate — 88% of Bush’s voters were white). It’s the pluralists vs. the frightened. Those who have friends not their economic class, or their ethnicity, vs those who don’t.
    And let’s hope that the Dems don’t pander to those in their pretty bubble, and become more like the republicans. Some of us still believe in charity and compassion and justice.

  19. carsonfire Avatar

    Oddly enough, “honesty”, Michelle Malkin has a new chart up showing that the red states are more charitable than blue states, based on the Generosity Index.
    By accusing everybody else of fear and racism, you’re really just parading around your own intolerance. You don’t know anything about the people that you hate and insult.

  20. ed Avatar

    As a city dweller, I’d have to say that the problem with the “burbs” is that they aren’t rural enough. It’s all or nothing, otherwise it’s just drab.

  21. TomTomTommy Avatar

    The index of charitable giving is skewed by one key fact: It includes tithing to churches. I’m not opposed that as such, but a church is not a charity in the strictest sense, especially when you are contributing to build a new sanctuary, pay the electric bill, buy a car for the minister, etc. Some of the megachurches that have popped up around the country spread very little of this tithing money to the community at large. A church is as much a social group as a charity, with a great deal of the “donations” going to running the organization. And — surprise — church membership is very high in the South. Just for the sake of comparison, I’d love to see this number with tithing taken out. The last thing we need is another ginned up statistic to promote the idea that the South is more “moral” than the rest of the country.

  22. Charlie T. Avatar
    Charlie T.

    It’s only been a week and I’m already getting tired of this. The stereotyping runs both ways. America’s cities and the people who live there get sneered at all the time by Blue America.

  23. carsonfire Avatar

    Actually, I dislike using numbers and charts like this to prove that one people are better than worse than another, but seeing it come from the right for once should show how mean it looks coming from the left.
    Don’t forget, we’re also told that all the states that voted for Bush were slave states, as if colonial northeasterners were modern progressives and a modern transplanted northerner in the south is little different from a plantation owner with a whip in his hand.

  24. Max Avatar

    The DB piece was junk, how many times is the editorial board going to allow him to run his little advertisements for his book in teh guise of an editorial. “Hey Suburbanites- buy my book- it’s about you!” And how many times will he sugarcoat and oversimplify the issues. All the things he references as people leaving are just silly. You get a shorter commute by moving to the burbs? Your family troubles go away? Etc etc, just pap for a segment of our people and culture that (no surprise here) are the most voracious consumers of space, gas, etc etc. Suburbs are a perfect example of Americans buying their way out of problems rather than dealing with them, thus creating more problems.

  25. Lee Avatar

    Andrews’ mention of the importance of demographics in counties, not just the states is also touched upon in this digital reprint of a brief FinTimes analysis of “red/blue” contrast.
    http://www.brookings.edu/views/op-ed/wfrey/20041104.htm
    I think, Andrew, for now, detaile danalysis may have to be state-by-state. Data is here about rural Pennsylvania, a state that “went blue.”
    http://www.ruralpa.org/trends_realitycheck.pdf
    County demograhpic data http://www.ruralpa.org/demo.html
    Here are the unofficial PA election results, by county:
    http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/default.aspx?control=StatewideReturnsByCounty&ElecID=1&ID=1
    And overall rural demographics:
    http://www.rupri.org/resources/rnumbers/demopop/demo.html
    My conclusion is that Bush trounced Kerry in a number of rural areas. But the suburban areas? Well, in Lancaster (no major city, largely rural and suburban– higher than the average income (for the state) and overwhelmingly white), Bush trounced Kerry. In Lackawana (Scranton area), Kerry won. In Fayette (Pittsburgh area), Bush won, but it was extremely close. So does that prove an argument about suburbs? and what is the argument about suburban ethos and voting preference?
    see here for Census bureau data on PA counties
    http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/42/42071.html
    Here’s a study (Sept. 2004, so before this election) of the impact of income on “red and blue state”:
    “Using Census and opinion poll data from 1952 to 2000, we find that higher-income voters
    continue to support the Republicans in Presidential elections. However, higher-income
    states have consistently favored the Democrats. This apparent paradox is explained by
    the fact that, within states, the higher-income votes favor the Republicans. To put it another
    way, the Republicans have the support of the richer voters within the poorer states. Thus,
    the identification of rich states with rich voters, or more generally, the

  26. Dishman Avatar

    This is something I’ve been thinking about some myself. One of the factors may be whether or not you like having a lot of other people around in close proximity all the time… or I have have cause and effect backwards, where the behavior is a strategy for dealing with the constant close proximity of large numbers of people.

  27. Jay Rosen Avatar

    Very good post, Jeff. “We grew up in them and thought we’d never return.” That applies to me, but I still haven’t returned.

  28. Andy Freeman Avatar
    Andy Freeman

    > What I don’t get is how the suburbs are now the center of the action and culture? All the culture I’ve ever seen related to the suburbs is about how the artist can’t wait to get out of the suburbs – and live somewhere else.
    Urban-wannabee artists aren’t the only source of culture. In fact, they’re a inadequate source of culture, or is that a source of inadequate culture?

  29. Karl Avatar

    Jeff,
    Check the WashPost. There was a post-election analysis of Rove and the Bush campaign strategy. One of the keys was registering new Republicans in far suburbs and exurbs. The GOP registered 3.4 million new voters in the past few years. Coincidentally, that’s about the margin of Bush’s victory.

  30. wally Avatar

    So why isn’t the reverse true? That suburbanites should move to the city?
    Honestly, I think you may have this backwards. Ask a suburbanite why they don’t live in the city. The general response is crime, schools, or “they just don’t want to.” There’s a genuine perception out there that cities are crumbling wastelands populated only by either “the very rich or the very poor.” Maybe we’re not watching the same media, but life in the city isn’t portrayed as sweetness and light in either prime time or the local news that I see.
    I’ve lived in both city and suburb, and prefer the city, my current location. I own a single family home on a small lot, complete with trees and patio. I commute four miles to work in about fifteen minutes – kitchen to desk. About half the families around here send their kids to public school – the rest send them to private school or homeschool. You have to be cautious, but crime isn’t really much of a problem if you keep your nose clean, as gangbangers tend to attack each other. It’s not paradise: my 1940’s house is small, the property tax rate is higher than in the suburbs, and it can be noisy at night, especially when the wind puts the flightpath over our house. But, I only spend $30 bucks a week on gas, and we visit with our neighbors literaly over the backyard fence.
    So, again, why shouldn’t suburbanites move to the city for a few years?

  31. Estragon Avatar

    The urban/non-urban divide is very real. The first time I saw it was in November 2000. In the same week 2 maps showed up on the internet. One was the red/blue Bush/Gore map (by county!). The other was a new composite photograph of the US at night from outer space. The bright lights (cities) correlated very closely to the Gore counties. Search out the maps — it’s spooky.

  32. MD Avatar

    Since I was diagnosed with MS several years ago (very mild, can walk just fine, thank goodness!), I notice the physicality of living spaces much more. One of the things that I like about the suburbs is that they are more wheel chair friendly(and I live in the ‘inbetweens’, that first suburb outside of a city that is a mix between the two – half suburban and half urban).
    Boston, the city I live ‘nearest’, seems pretty appalling in that respect. For such a progressive part of the world, it is very wheelchair unfriendly. The suburbs, though, are new and wide and have buildings with doors that will accomodate said wheelchairs.
    Whether you find a better quality of life in suburbia or the city depends on so may personal things….

  33. Brian Perry Avatar
    Brian Perry

    As many have said, Jeff, this one nails it. Here is my own compact, biased list of how the suburb-urban split happens:
    1. Grow up in Suburbs (the lucky few who actually grew up in a city, proceed directly to step 5)
    2. Reject suburbs, parents, etc.
    3. Get a cool, cool education
    4. Move to Urban area pronto
    5. Enter into the media or political elite
    6. Proceed to pound away at the culture you rejected and that threatened to make you a lifetime uncoolness victim
    7. Forget the place that actually made you, imagine that it and you have always been thus, lose touch, tell each other you’re still in touch, lose many elections
    8. **OPTIONAL STEP** Pair up, contemplate a family, and move back to the suburbs to raise one, thereby completing the grand, cosmic cycle of American life. Also, prepare for the days when your kids reject you and all you believe in.
    The rest is here:
    http://appropriatemeasures.blogspot.com/2004/11/red-burbs-vs-blue-urbs.html

  34. Ivan Lenin Avatar

    I very much agree with Jeff Jarvis, though I never lived in the suburbs. Also, I agree with Brian Perry about cool, cool education, and step 8.
    People lose respect for where they are from, and that’s never good.

  35. Tom Grey Avatar

    Jeff, great post, especially the The city slickers look down their noses at us ‘burbans.
    Most blue voters WANT to look down their noses at somebody.
    I quote you, and JP Barlow & Dean Esmay
    http://tomgrey.motime.com/1100110754#371856
    “I love America; it’s Americans I can’t stand”
    Fits in with Brian on “coolness” — I call it the “In Crowd”.

  36. Jim S Avatar

    Ah, yes. The self-righteousness of the right appears once again. The people in the suburbs never ever look down their noses at the cities, oh no. There was never such a thing as white flight. I couldn’t help it, I noticed that no one had mentioned one of the greatest contributors to suburban growth. If suburbs are so cheap to live in why do the poor stay in the cities? Could it have something to do with the cost of transportation. I live in the suburbs and I can’t stand those who live in them who think that the death of the urban core would be a great thing that the suburbs wouldn’t be affected by. I also notice that there is no mention of that attitude in any of the posts I’ve read yet, including Jeff’s original post. I can’t remember where it was I was reading today about the Blues considering the Reds to be their intellectual inferiors and the Reds considering the Blues to be their moral inferiors. There’s a lot of snootiness going around and neither side has a monopoly on it.

  37. Jim S Avatar

    carsonfire, why should I care what Michelle Malkin thinks about anything? She makes Michael Moore seem sane, only she comes from the right. Remember, World War II camps to imprison Japanese-Americans were a good thing.

  38. carsonfire Avatar

    Not that anyone cares if you care, Jim S, Malkin isn’t “thinking” anything, here. She’s taken the actual, existing statistical numbers and matched them up, state by state, to produce a graphic that makes blue states look bad in much the same way that Democrats have been grasping at statistics in the past week to make red states look bad.
    Malkin may be serious, but I think it’s great parody of Democratic charts. Either this kind of feeble nonsense means something, or it doesn’t. You can’t have it both ways. What am I saying? You’ll always try to have it one way.
    The county by county map that JJ is talking about blows up all those red state-blue state assumptions, anyway. Malkin’s graphic, to me, underscores how ludicrous this has all been.

  39. MD Avatar

    Jim S.
    What on earth are you talking about? My comment wasn’t about looking down on anyone (and yes, I know you were not specifically addressing me but you do paint with an awfully broad brush for someone trying to point out how bad it is to paint with a broad brush). What exactly is your point? I have lived in city, suburb and small town. They all have their advantages. I was just pointing out an advantage of the suburb compared to the city, but you can go the other way too.
    And as for the poor staying in the city – well, not always. In Chicago (my favorite city : ) ), many immigrants from India used to go to the area near Devon Street. They now go directly to the suburbs which are cheaper. The pattern of immigration is changing all over the country so that immigrants are tending to go to suburban areas now, so there is diversity in places that didn’t quite used to have that sort of diversity before. No bashing of the city intended! Just pointing out a positive of the suburbs.

  40. Michael Lewyn Avatar

    All factually incorrect. Exit polls show Bush and Kerry dead even in the suburbs. The Main Line near Philadelphia, for example, used to be Republican- but in 2000 and 2004 they went Democratic. Similarly with Arlington and Alexandria near Washington, DeKalb County near Atlanta, etc.
    The big division is not suburban vs. urban, but metropolitan vs. rural. The rural areas (and to some extent exurbs) have moved sharply to the Republicans in the past few elections, the cities and the inner suburbs to the Democrats.

  41. Michael Lewyn Avatar

    I stand slightly corrected- looked at CNN exit poll, Bush carried suburbs 52-47, about his national margin- but still far less than he got in rural areas (59-40).
    But in blue states Kerry really did do very well in suburbs: for example, he got 56% in Montgomery County (Philadelphia burb), 58% in Westchester (NYC burb), etc.
    Bottom line: Dems can win in suburbs- but running even is not enough. They either have to get back rural vote or win suburbs by more.

  42. Cornelius Avatar

    This is just a bunch of psuedo-scientific hand waving. Why do the suburbs of NYC vote Democrat? The Democratic party’s problem isn’t where it’s targeting its message, it’s its message and candidate itself.
    If you go look at the maps, you can’t necessarily cleave the suburbs off of the results. Moreover, does a city like Phoenix, Tucson, or Vegas really even have that sizeable an “urban” population? (Kerry won these counties and pretty much anything qualifying as ex/suburbs).
    With the exception of the Northeast (where Kerry won the burbs) and a few gateway cities like DC, Chicago, and San Francisco, no one lives in the run-down/shallow city core besides the very poorest folks.
    Analyses like these are sideshows. The Democrats need to run a candidate who resonates with Southern voters at a personal level, they need to disabuse themselves of ever running a Northeast liberal again. You can’t win a close race without winning something south of D.C.
    I’m not personally comfortable with a more values-driven Democratic party, I’d rather see them more centrist but without the forced religion and value-systems. That said, when nearly half of of adult Americans are born-again Christians, you have to kneel down and forget any true notion of this being a secular state.

  43. Amy Avatar

    Interesting post Jeff, thanks.
    Tha LA Times ran a story on the GOP in exurbia back in June. Rings pretty true now.
    Slightly off-topic, but while googling exurbia I came across this interesting blog “about big-box urbanism”: theboxtank.

  44. SkeeterVT Avatar

    You say that “With the exception of the Northeast (where Kerry won the burbs) and a few gateway cities like DC, Chicago, and San Francisco, no one lives in the run-down/shallow city core besides the very poorest folks.”

    You obviously haven’t heard of GENTRIFICATION. That’s been going on in those “run down/shallow city cores” for the last 20 years. And it’s not just young people populating the urban cores, either. It’s also Baby Boomers now heading into their golden years and moving back to the city centers after their kids have all grown up and left the nest.

    No, it’s not urban vs. exurban. It’s urban vs. RURAL, Rural folk are a 20 percent minority of the U.S. population, but the 80 percent urban-surburban majority ignore the rural people at their peril, for it’s the rural folk who produce most of the urban-suburban majority’s food.

    By the way, Cornelius, born-again Christians are a minority even within American Christendom. According to the 2009 American Religious Identification Survey, born-agains are outnumbered by Roman Catholics. who contrary to popular belief, remain American’s largest Christian denomination — and their numbers are growing, thanks to our expanding Latino population.