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It can happen to anyone, even you

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It can happen to anyone, even you

: The murder of Dutch filmmaker Van Gogh by Islamic terrorists means one thing:

It can happen to you.

Salman Rushdie lived under the threat of murder. Now the threat is real.

It can happen to an author… or a filmmaker… or anyone who dares to offend.

: Andrew Sullivan points to a very good Dutch blog with regular updates.

: Here is the text of the frightening and disgusting note left on Van Gogh’s body.

: A commenter below says the Dutch want a Patriot Act of their own. I don’t blame them.

: Here is the site Van Gogh edited: De Gozonda Roker.

: Van Gogh put up wonderful vlogs — daily video logs. Watch Supercool here.

: Here, you can send condolences.

: I don’ t know whether this is right and I don’t know whether I figured out the Dutch correctly, but this forum dedicated to assassinated Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn says that Van Gogh was murdered 911 days after Fortuyn. It also says that as 911 is our emergency number and the mass murder occurred here on 9/11, in Holland the emergency number is 112 and this murder occurred on 11/2. More here (all in Dutch).

32 responses to “It can happen to anyone, even you”

  1. Mike Avatar
    Mike

    Folks if you plan on spending any amount of time anywhere near thw Middle East, whether it be for work or whatever — do yourself a favor and buy two guns. Keep one in a shoulder holster and the other in your sock. If they come for you shoot at them. If it looks like you will be taken, shoot yourself in the mouth. Don’t get taken under any circumstances.

  2. Cog Avatar
    Cog

    He will be missed.
    http://www.pbase.com/pj48/image/33482828

  3. Kat Avatar
    Kat

    I guess they don’t like Dutch policy either. I’m sure muslims worldwide will be outraged. Or will they quietly condone this scum?

  4. Paul Zomer Avatar
    Paul Zomer

    Your dutch is not so bad ;)
    It was indeed 911 days after the murder of Pim Fortuyn, he had also very outspoken opinions about islam and muslims in the Netherlands in particular but was murdered by a 100% dutch, white animal-rights activist.

  5. Lost Soul Avatar
    Lost Soul

    That’s what this country needs, a good dose of fear. Be afraid. Give up your rights for safety. Big Brother is watching out for me. Otherwise some dark skinned heathen person is going to knife me in my middle american sleep.
    The truth is that I’m in much greater danger of being killed on the highway than I am in a terrorist attack.*
    These guys aren’t the Soviet Union, with tens of thousands of nuclear warheads aimed at us. We managed to keep our liberties mostly in place during the cold war. I see no reason to change my way of life and our tradtions of personal liberty on such a flimsy threat.
    We really are doing this to ourselves. Osma and his vile ilk are just giving us the rope with which to hang ourselves.
    ——
    *The exception to this is, of course, an atomic terrorist act, which would come from a state sponsored source. (Can you say Iran or Korea?) Homeland security can’t do a damned thing about them. Only the military and intelligence services can. Maybe. I hope and pray.
    Of course they are pretty busy in Iraq trying to clean up that self inflicted mess.

  6. TomTomTommy Avatar
    TomTomTommy

    i am outraged and upset about these islamic murderers too. but stop buying into this idea that liberal Democrats are opposed to rooting out and killing terrorists. that’s absolutely not true, at least not in my case. my objection to Bush isn’t that he is going after terrorism; it’s with the WAY he is going after terrorism. being well-intentioned but incompetent won’t get the job done.

  7. Robert McClelland Avatar
    Robert McClelland

    If it looks like you will be taken, shoot yourself in the mouth.
    Better yet, don’t take any chance at all; just shoot yourselves right now.

  8. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    New report: An artist wrote “Thou Shalt Not Kill” (in Dutch) on a wall. The board of a nearby mosque complained that it was racist.
    The authorities sandblasted it off.
    It’s over.

  9. Harry in Atlanta Avatar
    Harry in Atlanta

    “Better yet, don’t take any chance at all; just shoot yourselves right now.”
    Why McClelland I swear this is violent hate speech. You do know that if this were Canada you could be prosecuted for such violent hate speech. Oh that’s right it’s hate speech against Americans so it’s okay. Nevermind.
    Oh BTW Kerry lost the election and now a record number of lefty Americans seem to be interested in emigrating to Canada. I think this is a great idea and would urge Canada to open its doors these these malcontents. You would get a great many liberal arts professors, actors, journalists, hippies, and hopefully trial lawyers. I do not know how much they would actually contribute to Canada’s fiscal bottom line but the added pissing and moaning about your neighbors to the south would get much less play here and that would be nice. It would also lift the aggregrate IQs of both nations. However very few actual scientists and engineers would emigrate to Canada I’m afraid because they tend live in a world of hard realities as opposed to Jane Smiley’s world.
    Just think by next summer Barbra Streisand could be a permanent Canadian resident and be singing “O’ FullofCrap,” I mean “O’ Canada,” at next season’s Canucks games.
    Bwwwaaahahahahahahahahahaha

  10. Kat Avatar
    Kat

    Thou shalt not kill is racist according to the mosque dwellers. How interesting–I guess they prefer smite them and chop off their heads wherever you find them. What a perverted bunch of imbeciles.

  11. Glyn Avatar
    Glyn

    Putting it directly in front of a mosque implies that they need this advice more than anyone else, which isn’t true. It’s a bit like someone coming up to me and saying that people should bathe regularly – nothing wrong with the advice but I might consider the motive behind the advice and take offense. So, yes, good advice can be racist if it is directed at innocent people just because of their religion.

  12. Kat Avatar
    Kat

    I wonder how many muslims screamed about the racist tone of the note pinned on to Van Gogh’s chest with a knife?? Yes, they do need this advice more than anyone on earth–because aren’t they always telling us that they don’t allow murder? Or is that one fat lie? I’m sick of people making excuses for creeps who condone murder. Let them worry about the terrorists they breed instead of a harmless message.
    I know for sure that you, Oh America will go under;
    I know for sure that you, Oh Europe, will go under;
    I know for sure that you, Oh Holland, will go under;
    I know for sure that you, Oh Hirsi Ali, will go under;
    I know for sure that you, Oh unbelieving fundamentalist, will go under.

  13. Ivan Lenin Avatar
    Ivan Lenin

    –Putting it directly in front of a mosque implies that they need this advice more than anyone else, which isn’t true.–
    Of course it isn’t true! All cultures are equall. All cultures are good. And 9/11 was just a nuisance.

  14. Lost Soul Avatar
    Lost Soul

    Kat:
    So by the same logic, you could graphtii the same slogan on a wall near any random Catholic Church, since Timothy McVeigh was a Catholic?
    Just checkin’…

  15. Kat Avatar
    Kat

    Timothy McVeigh was one retarded man–not 150 million moonbats. And no Catholic martyrized him as muslim do the terrorists.
    And he was a great Clinton coverup.

  16. Robert McClelland Avatar
    Robert McClelland

    Thou shalt not kill is racist according to the mosque dwellers.
    No Kat, but insinuating that all Muslims are murdering terrorists is.
    I wonder how many muslims screamed about the racist tone of the note pinned on to Van Gogh’s chest with a knife??
    Why do you think Muslims should care about you–and I mean the figurative you–than you care about them? Where are the condemnations for all the innocent Iraqi civilians who’ve been killed in Bush’s war on terra? Where for that matter, is once lousy ounce of sympathy from you–and I mean you this time–toward the civilians killed in Bush’s war on terra? It’s just plain ignorant arrogance to demand people to give a shit about your problems when you clearly don’t care about theirs. The Muslim community owes you shit. Get over it.

  17. Kat Avatar
    Kat

    And I owe the muslim community shit as long as they sit there whining and doing screw all about their sick society, and I have no sympathy for ‘terrorists’.
    Do you think they owe the Dutch community anything? Oh, I forget, it was the fault of that guy for criticizing that cult. Even Cat Stevens said Salmon Rushdie derved death for criticizing moonbats.

  18. Glyn Avatar
    Glyn

    Ivan Lenin may say that 9/11 was

  19. Lost Soul Avatar
    Lost Soul

    Kat:
    Western history is full of examples of people using the Christian religion (Catholic AND Protestant) to justify atrocities.
    I know many Muslims who have never killed a film maker and don’t mistreat their wives. They are as aghast at what some of the followers of their religion are doing as I am aghast at what my government is doing to Muslims in my name (with my tax money.)
    From your reasoning one could justify painting “Thou Shall Not Kill” on walls near American Embassies.

  20. Kat Avatar
    Kat

    Glyn–atheists killed 200 million people in 200 years–but leftists like you prefer genocide to war–regardless of the numbers. Your 100, 000 figure is a bunch of crock–repeating it won’t make it true. Just makes you a liar.
    And Lost Soul, why don’t you get aghast as your muslim friends’ genociding in Darfur–or as long as it’s not war, it’s all rosy, comfy and cozy in Lotusland. No wonder Hitler killed so many with people like you backing him.

  21. Lost Soul Avatar
    Lost Soul

    Kat:
    Who says I’m not aghast at Darfur.
    However, now that you have (ineptly) compared me to Hitler, I realize what’s going on. I can apply Godwin’s Law and ignore you from now on.

  22. Ivan Lenin Avatar
    Ivan Lenin

    Glyn,
    First, I was not talking about Iraq, so juvenile yourself.
    Second, take a look at these numbers:
    http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
    The totalitarian states murdered 138 million. Democracies have killed about 2 million people

  23. carsonfire Avatar
    carsonfire

    Interesting… if the Dutch get their own Patriot Act, will the man responsible for enforcing it become a newly villified Dutch Ashcroft?

  24. Eileen Avatar
    Eileen

    Perhaps this is overly simplistic and too heart driven – oh well. It’s just that I have read all this in about 30 seconds, and,
    Ivan, here’s a hug. And Glyn, you need one too………….
    Sending love. This will probably stop the thread. O well again. Sending love again.

  25. Fausta Avatar
    Fausta

    Thank you for the links.
    Just one detail, it wasn’t a note, it was a 5-page letter

  26. Robert McClelland Avatar
    Robert McClelland

    as they sit there whining
    The only whining is coming from you. Again, the Muslim community owes you nothing. Do you apologize for every crime white people commit?

  27. Eileen Avatar
    Eileen

    She says, sheepishly: my apologies all ’round – not for the love but for posting at all after too much wine.
    In the light of day, my angst is not really diminished. It pains me to read accusations and recriminations regarding yet another tragic loss.
    Apparently I AM too thin-skinned and heart driven for the reality of today’s crazy world.

  28. dick Avatar
    dick

    Glynn,
    According to the Dutch site I read, the saying was not put directly in front of the mosque. It was painted on the building next door to the mosque and down the street from the killing site.

  29. dick Avatar
    dick

    And Glyn, as to your grossly inflated numbers, check the Chicagoboyz website. They have 5 postings analyzing the Lancet article that came up with the 100,000 and they prove conclusively just how much a crock it is. The whole article is wrong from the initial base to the complete methodology used in deriving the number. No basis in fact at all.

  30. mary Avatar
    mary

    From CNN: The man accused of assassinating Dutch anti-immigration politician Pim Fortuyn has told judges he acted on behalf of the country’s Muslims.”
    This is more evidence of the growing alliance between the European left and the Islamists.
    Since the enemy of both these groups is liberal democracy, they tend to get along.

  31. Kat Avatar
    Kat

    Robert–it seems the Dutch think the muslims owe them something. And their sentiments apply to America–if you don’t like it get the F— out.
    { The Telegraaf, has led the charge with a hard-hitting editorial that would never previously have been published.
    “There needs to be a very public crackdown on extremist Muslim fanatics in order to assuage the fear of citizens and to warn the fanatics that they must not cross over the boundaries,” the newspaper said.
    “International cash transfers must be more tightly controlled; magazines and papers which include incitement should be suppressed; unsuitable mosques should be shut down and imams who encourage illegal acts should be thrown out of the country.
    “This should also apply to extremists who have dual nationality. They have no business here. In addition, the range of extremists to be kept under surveillance needs to be expanded. If more money is required for all this, then that money must be made available. It is more than worth it for the sake of the citizens

  32. Neville Hobson Avatar
    Neville Hobson

    I don’t know if you’ve paid attention to what’s been happening here (I live in Amsterdam) since Theo van Gogh’s murder.
    Last night, another mosque was burned down. There have been attacks on schools and on Christian churches. More than 20 such events in total. More cops on the streets of Amsterdam everywhere you look. (Of course, that could also be because of Dutch or English football supporters, which is usually the case).
    Point is, what’s been happening since 2 November is worrying. I’ve even seen some media reports here talking about all this as part of the war on terror. Puh-lease!
    I saw van Gogh’s film on Dutch TV when it was broadcast in August. I can understand how some with extreme fundamentalist views would have been seriously offended. And there’s the dilemma: do you decide not to express your opinion because you will (it’s guaranteed) really upset some people whose views tend to be extreme? I don’t think so, even at the risk of deadly consequence.
    The film’s online as well: http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2655656