We’re mainstream, too

We’re mainstream, too

: I hate that everyone is starting to call established media “mainstream media” (MSM, to its friends).

That assumes that bloggers aren’t mainstream. We are.

I’ve taken to calling the big guys “big media” (and we’ll ignore the joyful abbreviation). That works for me, at least for now (until we get big). You could call them “institutional media.”

But let’s not cede the turf of the mainstream. I argue that as blogs grow, they take on the wisdom of the crowds and, in sum, will represent the mainstream better than any institution that purports to represent the mainstream.

I say we’re citizens’ media. They’re big media.

: Jay Rosen has taken to calling Big Media “legacy media.” Maybe. But I don’t think any medium is cut off from its forebears; the legacy will continue through blogs to the next thing.

Ed Cone in the comments goes for “corporate media” v. “personal media.” But look at Gawker Media; it’s a corporation already but it’s made of blogs and bloggers. I don’t think business structure does it.

Another poster still likes “old” v. “new” media. My problem with that is that we’re new today but tomorrow we, too, will be old (and something else will be new).

SUNDAY UPDATE: Jay Rosen adds in the comments:

Interesting discussion. Actually, Jeff, I was writing about the appearence of “legacy media” as a sign ‘o the times, zeitgeist thing. I haven’t taken to using the term myself.

One of the things I dislike about the blogosphere is that it comes up with inelegant names that grate on the ear; “blogosphere” is one. MSM is another. In sorting through the suggestions here, there are two different scales to use: one is insight (descriptive power) and the other is elegance (economy + beauty = elegance).

Institutional vs. personal is the most descriptive pair of terms. Old vs. new media is probably the most elegant.

21 responses to “We’re mainstream, too”

  1. Mumblix Grumph Avatar
    Mumblix Grumph

    I like the terms “Old Media” and “New Media” myself.

  2. Ed Cone Avatar

    “Corporate media” defines the journalistic establishment pretty accurately, and differentiates it from “personal media.”

  3. Frank Martin Avatar

    If “main stream” refers to the audience, then we are the “main stream media”.
    They are the “Ted Baxter Media”.
    We are the Murray,Mary and Lou to their Ted.

  4. Jeffrey -- New York Avatar
    Jeffrey — New York

    If you want CBS to hear from you, call this number.
    (212) 975-4321
    Just tell them that want to leave a comment and they will forward you to a voice-message extension.
    No ranting necessary. Just tell them what you think in measured language.
    Just like the Internet and computers, let’s take advantage of this technology to voice our opinions.
    *

  5. Anna Avatar

    Ah! I was wondering what the MSM meant. I knew it referenced “big” media, but I couldn’t for the life of me figure out what MSM meant (or find where a blogger used the long version followed by the abbr). Thanks for the explanation!

  6. carsonfire Avatar

    Ted Baxter had more credibility than Dan. Incompetence is less offensive than proactive deception.
    I agree with JJ’s point about MSM, though. I’m not really sure I like “big media”, either, because that reminds me too much of Al Gore’s litany of bigs… big medicine, for instance, isn’t bad because it’s big, and neither is media. The problem isn’t the size, it’s the ingrained institutional problem, which is bias masked as objectivity.
    As much as the left hates Fox, there is a model there worth noting. Even though the news might shift more towards the right, there’s a greater emphasis on giving vent to both sides of the news after the reports, instead of pretending that you have objectively presented The One and Only Truth. How much less trouble CBS would be in now, if there was an analysis show after the news in which a fair number of reasonable partisans talked about Rather’s memos on air immediately, and one of CBS’ own analysts said “let me look at those”. It would still be an embarrassment for Dan… but then, maybe he wouldn’t have been so confident of getting away with it in the first place.

  7. Kim Avatar

    I tend to agree with Jay’s tech lingo. Legacy Media is a one way medium. New Media is interactive. Static content vs. interactive content is a pretty good definition.

  8. Kris Avatar

    This reminds me of how old, tired religion professors refer to Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, and Lutherans as “mainline Protestants” at the same time they derisively call conservative Protestants “fundamentalists.” With time, the term “fundamentalist” became more nuanced as evangelicals, charismatics and pentacostalists demanded to be called something different. In the politicized atmosphere of the Reagan years, the press and the academy began to call those outside the Protestant mainline the “religious right.” Of course, they didn’t refer to themselves as the “religious left.” Nope, their binary world was composed of mainline denominations and the religious right; they put themselves at the center and others on the right.
    At this point it is only fair to refer to Protestants as either the religious right and left, or Oldline and Conservative Protestants.
    Getting to the point … the narrative about the prestige media and bloggers sounds similar to the above. So why not refer to the MSM as the “oldline media.” It is polite, not derisive, reasonably accurate from a historical point of view, and bereft of bias.
    Bloggers are the “new media”

  9. Andy Avatar

    Why not “BIG’ and “little”?
    They are BIG with millions of dollars, thousands of employees, access to all the Important People.
    We are little in dollars, little in staff and too small to be considered relevant by The Important People.
    When any of the little people get rich, get a staff and gain access then they can be considered “BIG” (Drudge?).
    When any outlet grows large enough to manipulate their presentation, lie with impunity and is immune to the market, we can call them “GIANT”.
    The determinants should be wealth, staff, access and sensitivity to market. There may even be a relevance-size and Trust corollary.

  10. Steve K. Avatar

    I think “institutional” and “personal” is a good distinction. Obviously there will be examples like Gawker that start “personal” and become “institutional.”
    None of these terms is perfect, and none of them have a very long shelf-life, IMO. These terms will need to remain fluid and change as quickly as the technology and the culture changes. But for now, I agree with your conclusions, Jeff.

  11. Trudy W. Schuett Avatar

    I use the term, “Big3” and sometimes “traditional media” (Big3 refers to TV, radio, and print) Big3 is easier to type ;>)

  12. Dishman Avatar

    “Institutional” works, except that “IM” is already a common acronym.
    “Centralized”, as opposed to “distributed” could work.
    “Directed” and “broadcast” both have their problems, but still some merit.

  13. Jayme Avatar

    Jeff,
    You are already “Big”. You can start a thread that many other bloggers pickup. You can question Instapundit and get a response. Most bloggers do not have this power. In addition I think you underestimate the amount your MSM credentials help you find an audience in the blog world. I find that to be true of several other top loggersas well. I dont offer it as a criticism but something to be aware of.

  14. James Durbin Avatar

    Citizen’s Media. We are definitely the citizen’s media. Blogs have given rise to the best of the people commenting on their expertise in a time when the best editors and reporters can know only a fraction of the stories they cover.

  15. Jeremy Brown Avatar

    I think Ed Cone’s corporate vs. private makes sense, but perhaps it’s not specific enough. I think the key is the hierachical corporate structure that an entity like CBS has, not necessarily the income model. I don’t know much about Gawker and they may be edging toward being an online magazine, but the question is whether or not they’re a hierachically structured business.
    Part of what makes a ‘blog’ a blog is the fact that a person can write whatever they want within legal limits (i.e. you can’t post people’s credit card numbers, etc). Once a writer feels pressured to conform to someone else’s expectations of the publication’s mission, it’s not a blog anymore. If someone can reasonably say “I’m the one who has to answer for what you decide to write” or “if we lose our advertisers because of you then we’re all out of a job” then it’s not a blog.
    Maybe we can say ‘top-down’ media vs. citizens’ media. Alternatives to top-down: boss-driven, hierachical (hard to say), topheavy…’corporate’ tends to suggest all of that to most people, though.

  16. Tim Oren Avatar

    I’ve been trying Jay’s “legacy” formulation on for size, to see what it does to the thinking. ‘MSM’ has taken on a perjorative connotation, and while I understand why, having that ‘taste’ doesn’t help dispassionate analysis. I’m sticking with citizens’ media for us upstarts.
    Mumb Grump, the trouble with ‘old’ and ‘new’ is those are relative terms. Jeff J and I both count as ‘old new media guys’, since we date back to early online services and CD-ROM. Those were called ‘new media’ in their days as well.

  17. Brett Avatar

    How about “Camouflaged Bias Media” for Big Media? No? Then maybe “Hidden Agenda Media?”
    I just got done reviewing the top headlines of the day and it’s a banner Kerry-bias day at the AP.
    I’m all for cooperation between Citizen Media and Big Media, but all of this agenda stuff has got to be rooted out or Big Media will continue to suffer a loss of credibility.

  18. Darren Rowse Avatar

    In some parts of the world and on some topics blogs are more mainstream than the mainstream/traditional news sources. For example in New Zealand I know of one blog that is not only breaking news sources but that is also the focus of many news articles.
    Its a fan site for a tv show over there that has been adopted by the whole country. In fact the blog has become way more popular than the official site and the owners of the blog have become quite famous – interviewed regularly by newspapers, radio (they had a weekly spot) and on television. The blog itself has many thousands of fans now.
    The site is Idolblog – the show they have created the site around is New Zealand idol (like the American idol shows).
    Recently they uncovered a the story that the runner up of the last season had been saying that his new single was an original – but in fact it wasn’t. The media frenzy that followed was out of control to say the least. Follow that story here.
    Anyway – its just another example of how mainstream blogs are becoming. I think we’ll see more and more of this.

  19. Jay Rosen Avatar

    Interesting discussion. Actually, Jeff, I was writing about the appearence of “legacy media” as a sign ‘o the times, zeitgeist thing. I haven’t taken to using the term myself.
    One of the things I dislike about the blogosphere is that it comes up with inelegant names that grate on the ear; “blogosphere” is one. MSM is another. In sorting through the suggestions here, there are two different scales to use: one is insight (descriptive power) and the other is elegance (economy + beauty = elegance).
    Institutional vs. personal is the most descriptive pair of terms. Old vs. new media is probably the most elegant.

  20. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Jay: Well said, of course.

  21. Anna Avatar

    “blogosphere” sounds just fine to an ecologist. You’ll get used to it. :-)
    As the terminology pedant, I must put thumbs down on “Old Media” and “New Media” and “Legacy Media” – for the sake of the children, beware of terms that fit now but will be ludicrous in future – e.g. the Modern Synthesis (of population genetics and evolution) occurred back in the 1930s; when was “modernism” in architecture? what comes after “postModernism”?
    truth is, it’s micromedia and macromedia. Automedia?