Outrage

Outrage

: Where is the outrage in the Muslim world over the atrocity in Russia?

I found some:

Many Arabs found themselves in an increasingly common quandary: struggling to reconcile their sympathy for a political cause with growing revulsion at the wrath levelled by self-described “holy warriors” against the innocent.

“What is the guilt of those children? Why should they be responsible for your conflict with the government?” Grand Sheik Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, Egypt’s highest-ranking imam, railed during Friday prayers in the Egyptian town of Benha. “You are taking Islam as a cover and it is a deceptive cover; those who carry out the kidnappings are criminals, not Muslims.”

Sheik Tantawi’s refrain was a familiar one among Muslims who have felt unfairly tarred by the growing number of highly publicised bloodbaths perpetrated by fellow believers.

But on Saturday some prominent Arabs had a more sobering interpretation: corrupt, repressed Arab and Islamic societies have turned into breeding grounds for terrorism. It is a judgement rarely voiced in heavily censored Arab rhetoric.

“Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims,” wrote Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of the Al-Arabiya TV channel.

In a blunt column in the pan-Arab newspaper Asharq Al-Awsat, he listed attacks carried out by Muslims in Iraq, Russia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia and Yemen. “Our terrorist sons are an end-product of our corrupted culture,” he wrote. “The picture is humiliating, painful and harsh for all of us.”

At last. At frigging last.

Is this the line they had to cross to evoke this revulsion? Will the rejection of these tactics last? Will they repudiate the scum of their earth?

: The BBC recaps editorial comment in Arab papers:

A lesson in terror at a children’s school – What happened at the ill-fated school is not only unjustifiable and unacceptable, it also provokes anger and revulsion among Muslim public opinion, since it tarnishes the name of all Muslims and distorts the image of our noble faith.

–Jordan’s Al-Dustur

An ugly crime against humanity – What happened at the Russian school is a reprehensible crime against the whole of humanity and the perpetrators should be called to account.

— Egypt’s Al-Ahram

These children and their teachers had committed no crime to justify their lives being endangered and their blood shed. If this terrorist group had chosen a Russian military barracks, their cause – if they had one at all – would have been more credible and many would have sympathised with them. What happened is the absolute opposite: the world reacted to the crisis with humanity, and the only loser is the side to which they [the hostage-takers] belong.

— Saudi Arabia’s Al-Watan

However, Iran’s papers, following the mullahs’ party line, criticized Russian officials just as much as they criticized these baby-killers.

41 responses to “Outrage”

  1. Dave Schuler Avatar

    To quote a little wisdom from the Western tradition: actions speak louder than words.

  2. Ruth Avatar

    It’s an atrocity, but the distinguishing feature seems to be that these acts are committed by women widowed by the atrocities of the Russians over decades. Their repression has been brutal, and it has brutalized them. If this country is wise, it will learn and NOT GO THERE in the Middle East.

  3. Ptolemy Avatar

    There can be no comparison between how America would work and Russia. Yes, I know the Media, Europe,etc won’t see that as the prison scandal shows but we are not trying to take Iraq and we have not leveled entire cities. Again, we won’t get any credit for that either.
    We won’t go there, I believe.
    Muslims might have spoken about these things much earlier if the victims (westerners) had spent less time being PC and looking indulgently on the “noble savages” and excusing their complete lack of humanity on their being non-western and therefore child like and innocent.

  4. Keith Avatar

    Where have I heard these ‘lines of crap’ before…oh let me see, after 9/11 or after every other mindless killing of women and children at the hands of Muslim terrorists.
    I am sorry but actions do speak louder than words and so far I am only hearing words and seeing no action. Forgive me if I offend.
    I am beginning to like the idea of ‘nuke’em all and let God sort’em out’ more and more.
    Again, forgive me if I offend.

  5. Laurie K. Avatar

    >>These children and their teachers had committed no crime to justify their lives being endangered and their blood shed.

  6. Laurie K. Avatar

    Sorry to waste the bandwidth…that’s now how the comment “previewed” itself…

  7. Dexter Westbrook Avatar
    Dexter Westbrook

    The “people” who do this, and the “people” who support it, need to be hunted down and exterminated like cockroaches.
    Anything that Putin does to Chechyna now has my support. And don’t give me this stuff about how Russia’s military has already run roughshod over the place. Sure, they have. THEY JUST HAVEN’T DONE THE SORT OF JOB THEY’RE CAPABLE OF DOING. They could do a much better job of exterminating the terrorist vermin and their supporters if they put their minds — and the weapons at their disposal — to it.
    So, these terrorist “acts are committed by women widowed by the atrocities of the Russians over decades?”
    Well, if there are any of “women” or any other people of like mind left, kill them. They’ll have a tough time reproducing if they’re dead.

  8. Brett Avatar

    Thanks Jeff. Based on comments in another post that you had, I had started to look for Arab reaction.
    In the Sydney Morning Herald:

    Some prominent Arabs had a more sobering interpretation: corrupt, repressed Arab and Islamic societies have turned into breeding grounds for terrorism. It is a judgement rarely voiced in heavily censored Arab rhetoric.

    “Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims,” wrote Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of the Al-Arabiya TV channel.

    This is why Democracy in the Mideast is so important. Freedom of speech.

  9. Lane Avatar

    200,000 dead Chechens I guess don’t merit any mention eh? Because context is the racist bigot’s worst enemy.
    The chickens are coming home to roost.
    Set a forest fire and you might get burned yourself. It’s a lesson the Americans would do well to learn. Unfortunately, as with the response to 9/11, they usually try to douse flames with petrol.
    Rational, calm analysis of how to eliminate problems at their root? Not in the blogosphere

  10. Kat Avatar

    Lane–the US was not born when Mohammed started his murdering. The root is in the koran.

  11. ted Avatar

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/05/wosse705.xml
    Cleric supports targeting children
    By Rajeev Syal
    (Filed: 05/09/2004)
    An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause.
    Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.
    In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Mohammed said: “If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq.
    “As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay.”
    Mr Mohammed, 44, who lives in Edmonton, north London, but is originally from Syria, also claimed that the Chechen rebels were not responsible for the deaths of more than 350 people – at least half of them children – who are so far known to have died in Beslan.
    “The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians,” he said.
    The father of seven came to Britain in 1985 after being deported from Saudi Arabia because of his membership of a banned group. He has since been given leave by the Home Office to remain in Britain for five years but the Government is reviewing his status.
    He gave an interview yesterday to promote a “celebratory” conference in London next Saturday to commemorate the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks.
    Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, was infuriated by Mr Mohammed’s comments. “That sounds to me like incitement and I will report him to Scotland Yard,” he said. “It is an insult to most moderate Muslims, who are sick of people like this claiming to represent them.”

  12. Keith Avatar

    Lane — your excuses lend comfort to the murdering bastards.
    IMO their is no excuses for these acts. If they have problems and I am sure they do, they should go to the source and not kill women and children. They do themselves no good.
    NO EXCUSES.
    …and I agree “The root is in the koran”

  13. Mike G Avatar

    “”Most perpetrators of suicide operations in buses, schools and residential buildings around the world for the past 10 years have been Muslims,” wrote Abdulrahman al-Rashed, general manager of the Al-Arabiya TV channel.”
    MOST?
    Can anyone name a suicide bomber who wasn’t a Muslim?

  14. billg Avatar

    IMHO the only reason the Muslim world has expressed outrage over the atrocity in Russia is they know the Russians don’t give a hoot about being politically correct when it comes to revenge. Heads will roll – lots of them.

  15. Brett Avatar

    FWIW, the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka are mostly Hindu.
    http://cfrterrorism.org/groups/tamiltigers.html
    Here’s a history of their suicide attacks:
    http://www.spur.asn.au/chronology_of_suicide_bomb_attacks_by_Tamil_Tigers_in_sri_Lanka.htm

  16. Robert McClelland Avatar

    Can anyone name a suicide bomber who wasn’t a Muslim?
    No, but that’s because most bombers fly their F-16’s back to US bases where they are congratulated for their successful murdering spree.

  17. Robert McClelland Avatar

    Where is the outrage
    Geez, hasn’t this idiotic meme run its course yet? You Americans are famous for coming up with these partisan gotcha games but until now have never demanded that the rest of the world partake in them. Go back to badgering each other over this. The rest of us couldn’t care less about how you think we should be reacting.

  18. Kat Avatar

    Are you saying, Robert, that in Canada you condone the murder of those toddlers? I always knew you were a haven for terrorists.

  19. Robert McClelland Avatar

    200,000 dead Chechens I guess don’t merit any mention eh? Because context is the racist bigot’s worst enemy.
    Exactly, Lane. These rubes live in their own little fantasy world where only offenses directed at them are counted. They looked away while Russia murdered tens of thousands of innocents and only care because it now fits with their agenda and can be used against their enemies. If this had happened before 9/11 these twats wouldn’t have given a damn.

  20. Robert McClelland Avatar

    Are you saying, Robert, that in Canada you condone the murder of those toddlers?
    I don’t condone the murder of anyone. You right whingers on the other hand, cheer it when it’s your guys doing the murdering.

  21. Ptolemy Avatar

    We don’t murder. We have to deal with problems. Messy things your soft Canadian hands don’t have to worry about.
    Russia asked for this. Their way of dealing with the Chechens was old time Soviet. Putin is an ass. Bush has spoken of this issue before and condemned it. Its much like the murders in China and the present killings in Iraq by Arab terrorists that Robert and Lane NEVER mention since it isn’t America doing the killing. We all have our focus.

  22. midwich Avatar

    “At last. At frigging last.” My thoughts exactly – I wish we could agree on less appalling matters also, but agree on this whole issue we most certainly do.

  23. Nahanni Avatar

    It is nice that some Muslims might be having “second thoughts” on their Jihad.
    And instead of condemning Putin you people should realise that he at least got some survivors out to the situation. It was quite obvious that these terrorists were going to kill EVERYONE. But I am sure that the ones who complain about how Putin handled the situation would have preferred to see eveyone die.
    Unfortuantely the supporters of these terrorists in the west will encourage them on to even greater atrocities. And I am not talking about their Islamic supporters. No, I am talking about the EU,the UN, the arrogant liberal media with it’s own agenda and their leftist loon “useful idiots” such as Robert. We can all start to see the spin and the whine out of them. They enjoy seeing people die for their cause. They will not lift a finger to help stop a slaughter such as the ones in Rwanda and Srebernica. Why would anyone think that they would lift a finger to stop a slaughter in their own back yard? No, they would rather see people die for their cause. Including their own children.

  24. Ruth Avatar

    Doesn’t this all sound like we’re watching helplessly as our government entities send innocent civilians out to fight and die (and lose their family members) to carry out whims of iron? And we’re ignoring atrocities in the Sudan, where the governnment is officially wiping out many more women and children in addition to systematic rape to change skin color, without trying to justify it by any humanitarian basis – and yes, reputedly religion enters in.
    Guess we have to realize we’re ultimately responsible for what kind of government we either put in or allow to operate uncriticized, since it’s our blood they’re going to commit to their wars and remedial actions.

  25. Kat Avatar

    Doing nothing just gets you more terror.
    * The first World Trade Center bombing on February 26, 1993, Clinton did nothing.
    * 10 months later in Mogadishu, Somalia… an attack on American military forces who were in country to bring food to starving Somalis, eighteen American soldiers were killed and the body of one was dragged through the streets to humiliate the USA. Clinton turned tail and ran.
    * In 1995, Ramzi Youssef was captured in the Philippines with plans to use commercial airliners to blow up CIA headquarters among other targets.Plans to tighten airport security were rejected by the White House on the grounds that they might be construed as “racial profiling.” Did not want to piss off CAIR and ACLU. So they did nothing.
    * In 1996 in the Khobar Towers, 19 U.S. servicemen were killed but the Saudis refused to cooperate in tracking down the killers. Clinton did nothing.
    * In 1998, they blew up the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania

  26. Walter Wallis Avatar
    Walter Wallis

    Force and violence is justified only after all deliberative means have been exhausted with NO improvement.
    Even then, the violence must be directed toward the oppressing one and not toward non-combatants. Beslan has balanced the books and removed any restraint on Russian response.

  27. Robert McClelland Avatar

    See what I mean. While I condemn all murder, you sick bastards cheer it on when it’s your guys doing it. You dupe yourself into believing that you must kill and oh well, too bad if innocents are slaughtered while we conduct our jihad.

  28. Kat Avatar

    So when muslims attack us, what should we do Robert–praise allah? Should we turn our backs while they stab them? It is impossible to avoid civilians because that cowardly slime uses women and kids for shields. Those brave mullahs strap bombs on kids and blow them up,but when cornered, like Saddam was, they crawl out of the rathole in which they hide, begging to be spared. No one cheers ,Robert, speak for yourself. Did you have your pointy toed slippers on when you cheered 911?

  29. Robert McClelland Avatar

    So when muslims attack us, what should we do Robert
    You should hunt them down and bring them to justice, not launch wars of aggression against nations that had no part in the attacks. You should not indiscriminately bomb people just because you heard there might be some “evil doers” there.
    In short, you should not murder people who have done no harm to you.

  30. billg Avatar

    Robert, these terroist bastards have made their position very clear: they will exterminate every living being who does not buy into their beliefs.
    They have demonstrated a unique ability to carry out this threat: 9/11; Spain, Russia. Canada could be next. They don’t give a damn about who they kill….military, civilians, heck, they’d be delighted to slit your throat given a chance.
    So, given they don’t wage war by any conventional standard, why should anyone else?
    As long as they walk the planet they represent a a very deadly, very real threat. So, the question is do we wait until they strike or take them out beforehand? I’ll answer my own question – take them out first, without fanfare, emotion, passion, or cheering. Just exterminate the lot. Before they get us.

  31. Robert McClelland Avatar

    So, given they don’t wage war by any conventional standard, why should anyone else?
    They murder so we can murder. What a sick bastard you are.
    The part you freaks don’t seem to understand is that you are not just killing the killers. You have killed very few of the killers. Most of the deaths have been people who have done nothing to you. That is unacceptable.
    Look at it this way. If there were 5 murderers loose in your city, would you accept it if the police killed 100 people while trying to get those 5 killers? Because that is what the US is doing.

  32. Kat Avatar

    So Robert, would you be willing to go into muslim lands to get the 150,000,000 whom are killers? Would you be willing to go into caves, wired buildings, etc. lose 100 soldiers, to get one scum? Should we not be most interested in protecting our own and not send them to a Blackhawk down sort of fate? Because they use children and women for shields, should we die for allah rather than kill their terrorist supporting civilians? You had no problem sending Canada to bomb the shit out of a museum and a train station filled with Serb kids.

  33. billg Avatar

    Robert, you don’t call terrorists who have indiscriminantly murdered tens of thousands of innocent victims ‘sick bastards’.
    How come?

  34. Ruth Avatar

    On the subject of another atrocity, which doesn’t seem to get anyone’s interest, from a Washington Post editorial today:
    “Being a witness to genocide is not an option,” Bush’s ambassador at large for war-crimes issues, Pierre-Richard Prosper, said in April, on the 10th anniversary of the Rwanda genocide. “Saving lives is a moral obligation of all nations and all individuals . . . we should always choose to act rather than hope that with time reason will prevail.”
    Does this mean next we’ll be bombing Sudanese civilians? Maybe we’ll grow up.

  35. Mel Avatar

    To throw my two cents in as a Canadian who doesn’t agree with the unrealities espoused by Robert and Lane…
    “You should hunt them down and bring them to justice, not launch wars of aggression against nations that had no part in the attacks. You should not indiscriminately bomb people just because you heard there might be some “evil doers” there.”
    Except for the sad reality that terrorists have no moral compunction against placing themselves within populations of people not involved with their activities to use as shields from attack or at the very least as propaganda against the “evil” Americans if they are attacked and civilians get killed. Robert and Lane seem to live in a fantasy world in which to “bring them [terrorists] to justice” can always happen without innocent people sometimes getting killed. Compared to what was done in World war II, when entire cities were bombed pretty much indiscriminately to achieve military objectives, the actions taken in Afghanistan and Iraq have been very discriminating. Mistakes have certainly happened, but compared to what various commentators (Chomsky and co.) were predicting before both of those campaigns (millions dying in Afghanistan, half to 3/4 of a million dying in Iraq) they were marked by an extreme avoidance of civilian casualties. The Iraq War in particular was undoubtedly the first war in the history of the world in which the defender (the Iraqi government) was trying its best to maximize the number of casualties (at least of its own civilians) in order to score propaganda points, while the attackers (Americans and Brits) were doing their utmost to minimize civilian casualties as best they could. War is a horible thing, but in my mind this is a huge and very welcome evolution.

  36. Brett Avatar

    Robert, there is no doubt that the US has accidentally killed civilians in the war. No doubt about it. As Mel (thank you for your point) asserted, the US made every effort to avoid such innocent loss.
    Does that justify the invasion?
    Today, Saddam and his group would be killing people, as they were, and the body count would be higher than the numbers the US has racked up to date.
    By doing what we did, we saved lives and gave the Iraqis a freedom for which they are increasingly thankful.
    If you want to rail against that because it cost lives, fine. But as the US has done several times in the past 100 years, we offered up our own people to save others.
    Have you heard of Don Cherry? He’s a Canadian who loves America.
    He said this: “Believe me, the majority of the people in Canada love the United States. We know you’d be there to help us and don’t think too bad of us. Those kooks that are out on the street protesting the war are only encouraging Saddam Hussein.”
    He gets it. It’s a shame you don’t.

  37. pdq332 Avatar

    McClelland:
    While I condemn all murder, you sick bastards cheer it on when it’s your guys doing it.
    Actually, it is you and the sick bastard crypto-apologists for Islamic expansionism that have a disturbing habit for excusing/ignoring violence done by groups whose politics you happen to agree with. And the really pathetic thing is that you don’t demonstrate any awareness the dynamics of these groups in the Caucasus. Chechen autonomy was won in 1996 after the Russians could not quell the uprising in a formulation that allowed both sides to claim victory. If the current Chechen political aims were really about independence or some form of compensation from the Russians for war damages, why would they have reignited war by invading Dagestan 3-4 years later? And why would they import Wahabbi Arab commanders like Khattab to help? The answer is that it has nothing to do per se with Chechen independence and everything to do with establishing a Wahabbbi Islamic state in the Caucasus. The Dagestan conflict was started by new Arab influenced religious guerillas infiltrating from Chechnya and was ultimately unsuccessful. The worst atrocities committed by the Russians in Chechnya were a result of Russian forces deciding to pursue them back into Chechnya and to end the state of autonomy. While I am not trying to excuse the brutality Russian tactics therein, it does nonetheless blow your argument out of the water, Robert, that this is about Chechen independence. Even if this is retaliation for previous atrocites committed by Russians from 1999 on, THAT conflict in itself has nothing to do with Chechen independence. It was Islamic expansionism.
    And now I’m really about to lose it. Because people like you, Robert, the reactionary “they’re only killing children to avenge their own victimization” crowd, not only have you invented a formulation to excuse the murder done by the terrorists, but also you have obscured the Islamic expansionism at the root of the murder with a bogus cover story about Chechen independence. So while the Islamists are responsible both for the recent school massacre AND for ultimately for bringing down Russian firepower on 50,000 Chechen civilians, you have managed to excuse them for both atrocities. Shame on you!

  38. Person of Choler Avatar
    Person of Choler

    ‘…struggling to reconcile their sympathy for a political cause with growing revulsion at the wrath levelled by self-described “holy warriors” against the innocent.’
    What type of person has to struggle to be repulsed by acts like the terrorizing and subsequent slaughter of innocent children?
    Mark Steyn said it pretty well: “The reality is that the IRA and ETA and the ANC and any number of secessionist and nationalist movements all the way back to the American revolutionaries could have seized schoolhouses and shot all the children.
    But they didn’t. Because, if they had, there would have been widespread revulsion within the perpetrators’ own communities. To put it at its most tactful, that doesn’t seem to be an issue here.”

  39. Anonymous Avatar

    The thing that amazes me when the reactions of western media sources are factored in is that they seem to discount the reality of the Chechen situation.
    Simply Russia has tried to commit genocide on the Chechen race twice in the last 2 centuries, the current war has killed 275’000 out of a population of 1 million many of them women and children yet the western media does not carry stories of war crimes, concentration camps and “pacification’ actions (another euphenism for mass murder it seems these days).
    The actions of these people are undefendable and horrific but amongst all the posturing, anger and rabid anti terorist rants from people it would be nice just once to see someone grasp WHY this is seen as a valid action by Chechen Rebels.
    To them the only good russian is a dead one and frankly with several centuries of experience with the Russians its hard to see that they havent been taught that from their actions.
    Like Yugoslavia the west will ignore this until its all over and then fall over themselves to send humantarian aid which will do nothing. Russia wont give the Chechens independance because of economic and political grounds and the chechens wont stop fighting for the return of the country the Russians stole from them.
    They dont trust Russians (history has taught them that) and they wont give up whilst there is anyone left alive to fight. And whilst they are terrorists it would do you well to ponder what YOu would do if your country was invaded by a power intent on wiping you out who killed innocents indiscriminently and without warning…

  40. Ptolemy Avatar

    Robert, just be a good Canadian and sit on the sidelines, shut up, and (as that sad episode in Afghanistan showed a few years back) stay out of our way. Do fleas curse dogs? Do ramoras curse the shark? Do vultures curse the lion and cheetah? Why must Canada curse America so hatefully?

  41. Ruth Avatar

    Anne Applebaum today:
    Notice here that Putin draws no distinction between the terrorists of Beslan and legitimate, independent Chechen leaders, or even the Chechen nation as a whole. When he launched the second invasion of Chechnya in 1999, he called the attack a “counter-terrorist operation in the northern Caucasus.” The foreign spokesman of the former Chechen government wrote yesterday that “with hindsight” he now sees that Putin used this kind of language to discredit the idea of Chechen autonomy, and to link the Chechen rebels firmly with al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. The Beslan terrorists have now helped the Russian president complete that process.
    Does it really make a difference if it’s Chechens or mixed al Quaeda and the Chechnyans as host/victims? I’m still trying to decide. But to my mind, Putin’s attempt to make a link that evidently he began to make from the start cheapens again the Russian government’s role in the mutual slaughters. Shedding others’ blood just doesn’t hold any honor, and blustering about it even less.