A degree in snot

A degree in snot

: Jay Rosen gets an incredible email from a colleague, a fellow journalism professor — though they are professors from different planets. The email came from professor Thomas L. McPhail of the University of Missouri-St. Louis.

Jay: Do you tell your j students that they are wasting their time getting a j degree, rather they should just run out and become bloogers and pretend journalists with no commitment to ethics, laws, fairness etc. Tom McPhail ps how are the bloogers at the DNC? I am afraid that in the charge to get the scoop of the conference, that they may send out unedited or unchecked rumours as if it/they were fact. Thanks

Jay says:

That’s not the kind of note you edit or change in any way, and I haven’t touched it. Now this is the same professor Thomas L. McPhail of the University of Missouri-St. Louis who wound up in dueling quotes with your correpondent (me) in the text of a USA Today article some weeks ago, previewing bloggers at the convention. (It also made Romenesko, the daily bulletin board for journalists.) Here’s his quote:

That bloggers get front seats bothers Tom McPhail, a journalism professor at the University of Missouri:

”They’re certainly not committed to being objective. They thrive on rumor and innuendo,” McPhail says. Bloggers ”should be put in a different category, like ‘pretend’ journalists.”

The priests are nervous, eh? The people are outside the cathedral tacking up their 95 theses and the priests are sticking their fingers in their ears, trying to ignore them, telling each other that those guys outside aren’t blessed with the right to perform the sacraments of the church. They think they own “ethics, laws, fairness etc.” Hell, they think they own the truth. But, of course, they don’t. And what the priests don’t see is that the reason the rabble is organizing outside is that they are fed up with the priests and their indulgences and their failures.

Welcome to the First Reformed Church of Journalism, professor.

: UPDATE: Was thinking on the way home… So, Prof. McPhail, what do you tell your students? Do you tell them to ignore these newfangled webloggers? Do you tell them not to listen to their public? Do you tell them that their business will continue on in the future with the same revenue and resources it has had in the past? Do you tell them tell them that journalists are perfect? What do you tell them about Jayson Blair? What do you tell them about the public’s lack of trust in the news media? What do you tell them about the magnetic draw that opinionated journalism — whether FoxNews or the Guardian or weblogs — has for the public? What do you tell your students, professor?

31 responses to “A degree in snot”

  1. Jackie Danicki Avatar

    Yeah, because we all know journalists run screaming from rumour and innuendo.
    And since when does a journalism professor write email with all the grammatical care of a graffiti artist? Do we really need guys like that teaching potential professional journalists their ways?

  2. Charlie (Colorado) Avatar
    Charlie (Colorado)

    I’ll worry about bloggers’ journalistic practices when there’s less that a 90-1 ration of “bush lied!” vs. “Joe Wilson lied!” stories.

  3. Chris Pierson Avatar
    Chris Pierson

    Who cares about “objective” anymore? “Objective” got us Whitewater and the war in Iraq. Thanks, “objective.”

  4. sbw Avatar

    How DARE the huns try to breach the walls of academe and the journalistic profession!
    Oh… Wait… I publish a newspaper and don’t have a degree in journalism. … Maybe you don’t need the degree itself.
    One can develop tools of thought elsewhere.

  5. shark Avatar

    So according to this e-mail, the NyTimes is the worlds largest group blog…
    He’s right about 1 thing. I wouldn’t have my kid waste time on a journalism degree either. These idiots are killing their media and they don’t even know it

  6. Farhang Avatar
    Farhang

    Hi professor, the train is already gone. You are tooooo late :-(

  7. Andy Avatar

    What the professor fails to recognize is that blogging vs journalism lives in an internet world.
    That means that the speed of fact checking, response, clarification and response again move at internet speed. There are more than one editor, one audience, one competitor to judge the accuracy, fairness, TRUSTWORTHINESS of the reporter.
    Ultimately, it is all about trust. Who can we trust? How can we test their veracity? How can we believe what they tell us?
    In the end it is not JUST about getting trustworthy information. We need that news to base our own anticipations, conclusions and actions. Trustworthy information is a building block in developing our view of the future.
    The concern for teh future is hard-wireed into us. We grant the many Cassandras in our midst great credibility and forgiveness for their failures. We begrudge the Pollyannas credibility and never forget their failure. We prepare for doom and are pleased when it does not arrive. We credit our actions, brilliance, changed security apparatus for the failure of catastrophe. Yet, we are skeptical and cynical when reports of a better future are given. Altho there are more good days than bad, we still awaken to prepare for the worst.
    Part of our perspective is based on personality, part on experience. What we all agree is that with false reporting and untrustworthy news we are handicapped in our ability to anticipate and prepare for change.
    Bloggers are the raw news and opinion of our society. Some we can trust, some we will never again consider. Institutional level trustworthiness is slowly being gained by some.
    The Print and broadcast journalist must ask themselves why they are no longer trusted? What have they done wrong so that the market will consider blogs as an equal?
    The fault lies not with blogs but with journalism, the institution, itself. Why have they failed so dismally?

  8. Jim Durbin Avatar
    Jim Durbin

    Let’s be fair – the University of Missouri at St Louis is not exactly the same as Mizzou in Columbia with the fine j-school.
    This professor isn’t exactly cutting edge.

  9. brett Avatar

    Doesn’t anyone else find ‘bloogers’ hilarious? It’s as if he thinks he could blow his nose and get rid of them.

  10. ken Avatar

    Didn’t Jayson Blair got to J-School? Just wondering.

  11. mailman Avatar
    mailman

    Dr. McPhail is a Professor of Communications at UMSL. That is quite a ways from being a Journalism Professor at Mizzou. And I’m not talking about the 120 miles between St. Louis and Columbia.

  12. Ken Layne Avatar

    Ha ha. I saw that Tom McPhail quote the other day and thought, “Well, guess they’re still making tools like that down at the asshole factory.”
    These journalism professors are hilarious. (Jay Rosen is a rare exception.) The sad & obvious thing you’ll never hear from a j-school shill is that the slow collapse of the newspaper industry goes hand-in-hand with the rise of reporters & editors with a “journalism” degree. Newspapers were supposed to die with the introduction of radio and then television, but neither happened.
    It wasn’t until the late 1970s — 30 years after television news programming began and 50 years after the birth of radio news — that newspaper readership began its real death spiral. How did newspapers thrive for so long against those new mediums? I think a big part of that answer is that “journalism degrees” were unheard of before that time. (Another cause is the industry consolidation that began at the same time. Just ten years later & almost all evening papers had been killed off & two-newspaper towns were a rarity, with most of the remaining “two paper towns” actually run under a Joint Operating Agreement to ensure there wasn’t any actual competition.)
    Once a few chains — like Jeff’s employer! — monopolized the daily newspaper business in this country, there was no competitive need to make papers lively, interesting or appealing to younger readers. In fact, newspapers aggressively turned away from young & working-class readers in a successful effort to produce a wealthy & upper-middle-class demographic, heavy on suburban homeowners. And that made advertisers happy. Today, newspapers are expected to deliver an *insane* profit ratio — in the 25 % neighborhood — while 10% ratios were considered good news (as they should be) just a dozen years ago.
    Coming into this soulless vacuum were the j-school kids, who matured into humorless blowfish like this McPhail character. And so we now have a newspaper industry consisting of chain managers & their irrelevant newsroom employees, who cover up the sadness of their trade with self-important Professionalism. The funny thing is not just how newspapers are dying in circulation & advertising (especially help wanted, once the Money Pig of the industry), but the shrinking number of people who read a printed paper trust it less than ever!
    This is from a 2002 report by the UNC journalism department:
    (Word doc:
    http://www.unc.edu/~pmeyer/Quality_Project/anatomy_of_death_spiral.doc )
    “According to the General Social Survey, expressions of

  13. Andy Freeman Avatar
    Andy Freeman

    > they question newspapers just as much as they question television
    What sort of person is surprised by that?

  14. Brian Weaver Avatar

    I know for a fact that all journalists have to take courses in objectivity when they go to school. Being objective is the name one gives the activity you engage in when you are citing your perception as undistorted fact. Did I get that right? I think so.
    I do know that one can get a degree in objectivity now. In fact it would seem to me all that is needed to lead a more perfect life.
    A Ph.D. in OBJECTIVITY in fact.
    I myself have attempted to take the entry course and found it over my head. Learning about empirical verification was not something my high school writing course prepared me for.
    I have decided to become a teacher and teach journalism to people that are much dumber than I am. I hope that is a good career move.

  15. Harry Avatar

    I agree with Ken. It seems to me what you need to be a journalist are (1) critical faculties and some writing ability, (2) knowledge of the world around you — and the more the better, and (3) the ability to write an “inverted pyramid” lead. You can learn #3 in 5 minutes. If you’ve got the other tools, and can spare an hour for an ethics course, you’re good to go. So what’s the other 3.99 years of j-school for, anyway?
    Based on the quality of the j-school product, it seems pretty clear that j-schools are about the last place on earth you’d spend time if you wanted to develop critical thinking skills.

  16. Joan of Argghh! Avatar

    Damn. Perfect analogy. And while we’re posting our 99 Theses, can someone tell me what was the big deal about Watergate, in light of Trousergate? What was so friggin’ HUGE about a two-bit attempt to hijack a political party’s playbook as opposed to, say, oh, I don’t know…NATIONAL TOP SECRETS?!!!
    Every modern journalist worships at the altar of Woodward and Bernstein, and every one of ’em wants to be the next. That’s why we need reform.

  17. Andrew | BB Avatar

    A degree of course is not necessary for good journalism.
    But being a blogger seems to get in the way of good journalism.
    I can’t believe a good set of bloog comment-ators think blogs are better. I’m shocked and astounded.
    I enjoy the blogs as entertanment and rarely as a news source. It still remains that about 75 percent of them wouldn’t exist without th eneed to bitch about journalism.
    But you’re better Jeff. You get it. And you get that you’re better. Good for you. Genius at work. I’m proud of. You go girl. Sock it to ’em.
    I have seen the future and the light and it is ….. blogs?

  18. Joel Avatar

    It strikes me that the difference between Ken Layne’s well-crafted comment, on the one hand, and McPhail’s email and Andrew’s comment, on the other, is that the worshippers of “professional” journalism, unlike bloggers, really, really, really need editors.

  19. Tommy G Avatar
    Tommy G

    Great ‘get’, Jeff.
    Speaking of the Priests,
    Wasn’t it cute how quickly the journalist from P-Burg became a “editorial writer” for confronting Mrs. Heinz-Kerry on her “un-american” comment.
    Didn’t that used to be called ‘speaking truth to power’.
    Phonies.

  20. Sandy P Avatar
    Sandy P

    bloogers?
    freudian slip – boogers?

  21. Sandy P Avatar
    Sandy P

    And Whitewater got 12(?) convictions and removed the AR gov, IIRC.
    How many were overturned?

  22. Joanne Jacobs Avatar

    Bloggers are commentators. We’re opinionated by design.
    Big Media doesn’t hold its commentators to any standard of objectivity, even when they’re ostensibly reporting. Consider Ron Reagan, convention speaker and convention “reporter,” or New Yorker writer Rick Hertzberg as described by Boston Magazine:

    The New Yorker commentator Hendrick Hertzberg, who has given $900 to John Kerry’s presidential bid — earning him a spot in a report on political donations by journalists released last week by a freelance watchdog and a mild scolding from one media ethicist — arrived at his pre-assigned spot wearing running sneakers, jeans, and a denim shirt embroidered with the Kerry campaign logo . . . Hertzberg, a former Carter speechwriter who makes no secret of his liberal leanings in his “Talk of the Town” commentaries, has defended his donations to Kerry as a perfectly reasonable extension of the positions he takes as an opinion writer.

  23. tony Avatar

    if McPhail thinks it’s so easy to blog, why doesnt he try it for 3-4 months?
    one of the biggest differences that i have seen between op/ed columnists and bloggers (a more accurate comparison since most bloggers offer opinion while discussing current events), is if a blogger has the courage to have open comments, he will get his hat handed to him if his work is sloppy or his facts are wrong.
    in public.
    meanwhile newspaper columnists may get nasty emails or letters, but the readers have no idea how many people are calling bs on a particular column.
    add to that a Site Meter that everyone can see (as in this blog) and you can see a writer’s popularity.
    it’s my belief that most journalists and j-school professors like McPhail would get laughed right out of the blogosphere.
    or worse… ignored.

  24. Harry in Atlanta Avatar
    Harry in Atlanta

    I am sure that j-schools actually teach basic fundamentals to their wards. You know stuff like get the facts, learn syntax, spell and punctuate correctly, and yadda yadda yadda. But my guess is from their professional elite mentors they also get a dose of, “you are the lone courageous bulwark against tyranny,” or the always soul wrenchingly patriotic, “democracy and this great nation depend on you and you alone to uncover the ‘truth’ and educate the ignorant.” Not report the facts but reveal the “truth.” Facts are real truth is damned subjective.
    I am a restauntuer and when I began my career the boss put me in the lowest position to start. And me with a bona fide four year degree. Prep. Prep is tedium. Prep is repetive. Prep in mind numbingly boring. And prep is unforgiving. For a restaurant to be successfull prep is everything. If you are not ready you will not suceed and you cannot disguise that failure like journalist are doing. Your friggin’ doors will close. My guess is that at today’s newspapers the people writing most of the obits and humdrum news items. The news prep if you will are not j-school products. Because dammit that’s beneath them, it’s the grunt work.

  25. Harry in Atlanta Avatar
    Harry in Atlanta

    You must pardon my sloppiness for I have invested in some very fine local brew and have indulged myself. Besides truly great writers and artists; those observers, chroniclers, and philospher’s who through fate experienced difficulty in just living, most outright suffered. But their sufferings had one devine gift, it freed them from the fear of failure or ridicule. They were unemcubered by what their peers or the opinions of they day held. From Robert Johnson to Frank Baum or Christopher Marlowe to Wolfgang Mozart they all had great form but, goddamn talk about substance. I guess when you got nothing you got nothing to lose and store bought fear is for pussies. Anyhoo I’ll go back to cleaning the toilet like I was before. Before my muse kicked me in the nuts that is.

  26. Bill Avatar

    I linked to your column via Instapundit. I think your overall point is valid. The Blogosphere, by allowing for fact checking, and coverage for stories and angles that would otherwise not be covered performs a valuable public service. It is important, and often, first-rate journalism.
    It’s a pity that you had to cloak this point in such a vicious anti-Catholic screed. You could have perhaps found a less offensive analogy, or just said it straight.
    I’m a Catholic physician (psychiatrist) providing support to the Marines in Iraq. We don’t have a priest at our base and could really use one. It’s difficult not to have Mass or ready access to the Sacraments, especially during war.
    I seriously doubt that it was your intent to be offensive to Catholics and it is likely that you reached for the first analogy that came to mind. Kindly reach a little deeper next time. Peace.

  27. Andy Freeman Avatar
    Andy Freeman

    > one of the biggest differences that i have seen between op/ed columnists and bloggers
    Both know how many folks quote them and reply, but bloggers know how many readers they have. Folks distributed on dead trees or radio waves don’t.

  28. tom mcphail Avatar
    tom mcphail

    YIKES, Jay never took the time to reply to me but certainly used it as fodder for one of his blooger pieces. Guess it was a slow news day. Some of the comments are insightful and I will do a longer piece on the perils of the discipline of journalism after my trip to the Association for Education Journalism and Mass Communication in Toronto next week. Tom (aka pretend professor) McPhail ps began my career with Marshall McLuhan in Toronto and he would have loved bloogers

  29. Andrea Harris Avatar

    “Chaplain” Bill: what? Jeff used no anti-Catholic or even anti-Christian analogies. The terms “priests” and “church” are not exclusive to Catholicism, or even Christianity. (In any case, referring to a “church” as a “first reformed” anything is Protestant.)

  30. Andrea Harris Avatar

    PS: excuse “Chaplain” — I thought I had read that you were a chaplain serving in Iraq instead of a psychiatrist.

  31. Andrea Harris Avatar

    By the way, I hope that wasn’t the real Professor McPhail who left that comment, because whoever it was writes like a retard.