Voting against

Voting against

: I’ve just realized, in a duh moment, that the Democrats are not running their campaign for John Kerry. They are running only against George Bush.

Lately, it has appeared to me that Kerry has been all but hiding. He’s just not making news. I wondered whether it was all media’s fault (what right-wing media?). So I went to GoogleNews and looked up what Kerry has been up to lately. Not much. He’s wooing Hispanics. Or he’s not crossing police picket lines. Or he’s taking time off (if it works for George…).

And then I went walking on Sixth Avenue yesterday and found yet another group of eager young people holding battered clipboards with “Beat Bush” stickers on them, stopping liberal-looking people (they don’t go after me when I am wearing my suit, my protective-coloration at work, which apparently looks Republican even if I’m not wearing the flag in the lapel). I’ve seen them everywhere in New York (for example, at the exit to the premiere of Fahrenheit 9/11). So I stopped one of them yesterday and asked them what they were doing. “Raising money for battleground states,” the friendly young man said. On whose behalf? The DNC, as it turns out.

So the Democratic National Committee has a very well-organized army of volunteers out not trying to support Kerry but instead trying to beat Bush.

Duh.

That is how they are running this campaign. And it strikes me as a cynical and ultimately empty campaign. It offers no reason for voters to get excited and run out and vote for Kerry (which I’m dying for him to do). It sets no agenda in the debate. It falls into the divisive, extremist hands of Michael Moore and the neonuts. It does not create a mandate based on issues. It’s a campaign against, not for.

That’s how the DNC is running things. And Kerry? He is hiding. I don’t hear him inspiring the nation with daring policy. He’s doing dull things that get dull coverage. He’s just keeping his head down. He’s trying to outdo Ralph Nader as the candidate of the None of the Above party.

But the sad thing is that it seems to be working. Kerry’s poll numbers are OK. He’s raising record amounts of money. And Bush has plenty of problems. This could be the way to win. Only problem is, when you win, you’re just the other guy.

: Let’s add that this isn’t all Kerry’s fault. It’s a media issue, too. As media fosters the divisiveness and gives publicity to the extremists first, it’s best if you can just keep your head down and stay out of the fray. It’s a heckuva way to run a democracy.

: As I was writing this post, I found a link to Dick Morris saying that this, indeed, is the Kerry strategy:

:The man who had won his party’s nomination by stepping aside and letting Dean destroy himself, now sought to repeat the act as President Bush wrestled with al Qaeda and the Baathists in Iraq and with Richard Clarke closer to home….

Will the real John Kerry emerge from the shadows then? Don’t bet on it. The senator’s canned appearances at his party convention are not likely to improve our knowledge of his credentials, character or political ideology.

So until August, at the earliest, the Democratic Party will be represented by a man few of us know.

If this is his strategy, Kerry’s being wise. Modern politics is a lot like modern warfare, where precision-guided munitions never miss. The best way to avoid being killed is to avoid being seen.

As Dean found out between November and January, and Bush learned in April and May, when you are the center of attention, your risk of political mortality is very high.

Only the stealth candidate

84 responses to “Voting against”

  1. James Stephenson Avatar
    James Stephenson

    What do you expect. Everytime Kerry got in front of people his numbers dropped. When he went into the hospital his numbers went up.
    Does not take a rocket scientist to figure out that he needs to stay out of the public eye. But what you will get if he wins is buyers remorse as he starts to grab the public eye more.

  2. Mike Avatar

    I think the debates before this election are going to be very interesting and I think that is where Kerry is going to do the most damage to himself. The public will see him for what he is, a pessimistic, pompous man who doesn’t know what he stands for and can only see fit to blame Bush for everything.

  3. sickles Avatar
    sickles

    Jeff is right, you have to run a campaign that is for someone as well…
    i’ve talked to my cousin who is a rabid Democrat partisan and he will be voting for Kerry because voting for Nader might tip the election for Bush.
    On the other hand, I was casually talking to my plumber aout politics, and he just blurted out, “President Bush is a great man!”
    Now take anecdotal eveidence for what it is, but if your base is not enthusiastic, you’re running a losing campaign…
    Bush by 10 points…

  4. ralph phelan Avatar
    ralph phelan

    If you had a candidate this bad, what strategy would you use?
    I remember something real interesting from the start of the primary campaign. It was a poll of who people would vote for if various Democratic candidateds won the nomination. Every singe one of them polled WORSE than “unnamed Democrat.” You just had a real lousy field this year (It doesn’t help when your only centrist is Joe “Droopy Dog” Lieberman.)
    The problem is that the Republicans can and will turn this around and try to make it an “anybody but Kerry” race, and it’s gonna be ugly.
    I’m still trying to figure out how the Democrats convinced themselves that Mr. “I threw somebody else’s medals over the White House fence” was electable.

  5. megapotamus Avatar
    megapotamus

    Really, the logic is unassailable. Kerry appears, polls drop. If you are a poll-driven stack of hair and nothing else, what can one do? Anybody but Kerry!

  6. robert Avatar
    robert

    There are only 2 choices, generally. If one looks bad, the other couldn’t possibly be worse.
    And I suppose it’s easier to spin bad ideas about Bush than it is to promote good ideas about Kerry [who doesn’t seem to care about LEADING the country, just FOLLOWING]

  7. Kim Avatar

    Strategy will change once he picks a VP. If it’s Edwards we’ll have a pretty face to look at and soft politicking. If it’s Hillary (which I think it will be) she’ll come out swinging. Either way Kerry stays in the background till the debates.

  8. Charlie Sierra Avatar
    Charlie Sierra

    Has anybody considered what will happen after the re-election of Bush?
    Seriously, what are the neonuts going to do?
    Their level of anger is seething right now, so I hope they don’t vapor lock or do something stupid.
    Will they attempt to impeach Bush?
    The wacko environmental nazis have no problem destroying private property, so what will these rapid ABB voters do?

  9. john jay Avatar
    john jay

    I live in Boston, and the other day in Davis Square (Cambridge) I was approached four separate times by DNC volunteers. They all had the same pitch: “Do you want to help kick George Bush out of office?” Exact same line every time. The DNC doesn’t trust Kerry enough to run him. They’re training their volunteers to get the anti-Bush vote. I told them I’d rather vote against Kerry.
    That weekend, in Harvard Square, a woman braving the moderate rain asked me if I wanted to sign a petition to put Ralph Nader on the ballot. I don’t like Ralph or his party, and I don’t plan on voting for him, but after witnessing the pathetic DNC strategy I added my name to the list.

  10. Karl Avatar

    Here is where Google fails us. Google is, at it’s core, is a link popularity contest. The more popular the item, the more likely you are to see it there. No matter how excellent the quality of the item, if no one links to, it won’t be seen at Google.
    The mainstream media is not reporting Kerry’s positions and statements. And positive or complex messages are not items that blog well. Sad to say this is true for most Kerry leaning weblogers, which is unfortunate.
    Kerry is putting out position papers on many, many different subjects:
    http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/
    We should share these far more often.

  11. Mike Avatar

    Just think… drudgereport.com offered up a breaking story that has monopolized air-times down in New Orleans — Hillary as Kerry’s running mate. Not sure if it’s a true story, but it could give excitement to the Democrats about their own ticket, not just fevered raging at Bush..

  12. Mike Avatar

    “But the sad thing is that it seems to be working. Kerry’s poll numbers are OK.”
    Bush just went through the worst period of his administration…9/11 commission, Abu Ghraib, the dwindling situation in Iraq…and the polls have stayed about even. Pretty shi**y for Kerry, if you ask me.

  13. shark Avatar

    Dangerous game though. He runs the risk of letting Bush set the tone and the terms. You see the damage his last round of ads did to Kerry.
    Also, Kerry has pretty bad negative ratings, and this won’t do anything to help. While it looks like Bush’s unfavorables have bottomed out, and with Iraq handed over and a rising economy, Kerry’s virtual tie won’t last long.
    As for the conventions…..DNC: Al Sharpton, Hillary, Tereza Heinz Kerry, Billy Clinton, Howard Dean, Al Gore (?)
    RNC: Arnie, Zell Miller, McCain, Giuliani, Pataki.
    You tell me who’s gonna get the bigger bounce?

  14. shark Avatar

    Strategy will change once he picks a VP. If it’s Edwards we’ll have a pretty face to look at and soft politicking. If it’s Hillary (which I think it will be) she’ll come out swinging. Either way Kerry stays in the background till the debates.
    If it’s Edwards, they’re very vulnerable to the “inexperienced and ineffective” attack. If it’s Hillary, you’ll see a holy war like you never expected, and you can belive they’ll lose the bitterest election ever.

  15. Andy Avatar

    Ever since he clinched the Demo Party nomination the polls have showed an average 17 point gap between those who support Kerry and those who vote against Bush.
    Clearly the anti’s have the majority of teh Demo positions. MacAuliffe or the other DNC TV heads never talk about Kerry. They are focused on Bush.
    Even teh primaries were about Bush. Only Edwards supported some new ideas, had a positive message, was upbeat about his vision of the future.
    It’s very much like the Clinton defense, even unto the BBC interview, of staying on message and talking only about the opponent. Much of our political divide is based upon only one side of the political spectrum being presented. The Republicans present the good side of their position. The Demos present the bad side of the republican position. Theerfore, nobody knows what teh Demo’s stand for. This frees them to expand the size of govt slowly under the banner of being Progressives (didn’t you notice that Progressives are everywhere?) like my favorite Senator Barbara-Barbara-Boxer
    Being a Republican in Calif is hard. The Demo’s control the cities and TV. The Republican Party east its young and does not run strong candidates.
    That leaves us watching and handicapping horse races we have no stake in.

  16. dan Avatar

    Look, it’s only July 1. Kerry has been structuring his campaign to launch off of his vice president anouncement. It’s been the plan for weeks. Also, I really don’t see how Bush is setting any agenda. The news out of Iraq is still nothing to run on and he’s been dogged by bad news for weeks. I honestly believe that Kerry has smartly used this time to structure his campaign and I think we’ll be seeing a lot more of him after he makes his announcement next week. Though that would probably irritate Morris, Kaus, and Reynolds as well. I’m sure they’ll all be wishing he was sticking to the stelth strategy they were complaining about back in June.

  17. Sydney Carton Avatar
    Sydney Carton

    Mike, 2nd poster above, is right. No matter how effective this strategy might seem right now (and I think it’s dumb and risky for all the reasons said by others), there is simply NO WAY that this can work in a debate format. Assuming that there are 3 presidential debates again, I have a feeling that Bush will clean Kerry’s clock, simply because Kerry can only say “I’m not Bush.” It will show people that he’s an empty vessel, and that certainly isn’t leadership fit for the Presidency.
    Quite frankly, I’m stunned that this is a strategy. You’d think that a candidate would try to articulate SOMETHING other than “I’m not him.” I don’t think a VP choice will make a darn bit of difference. Even if Edwards is chosen, I see him as a liability because his personality is such that he’d be an ineffective hatchet-man, which is what a VP is supposed to do.
    Still, that doesn’t mean that Kerry can’t win on the anti-Bush vote. Stranger things have happened before. But it will cripple his presidency before he’s even in office.

  18. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    I’ve been saying this for a while now, talking amongst friends, and in comment threads here.
    Bush is a bumbling, blind fool. Anyone who feels “lead” by him should not be allowed to breed.
    But I keep hoping for Kerry to say one or two concrete things, anything, that will get my vote.
    Still waiting…

  19. Karl Avatar

    I don’t like being ignored.
    HE HAS ARTICULATED SOMETHING:
    http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/
    Actually a whole lot that has not been covered by weblogs or the media.
    I think people have forgotten how to read for themselves and if some weblog/pundit or someother media mouthpieces isn’t expressing it – it doesn’t exist.
    Sad.
    The DMC does need to push way harder on Kerry’s positions. That much is clear. But to say he hasn’t articulated stances is factually incorrect.

  20. shark Avatar

    The news out of Iraq is still nothing to run on and he’s been dogged by bad news for weeks. I honestly believe that Kerry has smartly used this time to structure his campaign and I think we’ll be seeing a lot more of him after he makes his announcement next week. Though that would probably irritate Morris, Kaus, and Reynolds as well. I’m sure they’ll all be wishing he was sticking to the stelth strategy they were complaining about back in June.

    Iraq may be “nothing to run on” now, but that situation is improving. Nothing special is a great improvement over damaging, which is where we are now in Iraq. As for being dogged by bad news for weeks, data shows another quarter-million jobs were created, unemployment is trending down in the majority of the swing states (but not all) and consumer confidence is rising. Which just goes to show that just because the press doesn’t report the news doesn’t mean it isn’t happening

  21. shark Avatar

    Bush is a bumbling, blind fool. Anyone who feels “lead” by him should not be allowed to breed
    Ahh, there’s the average level of discourse from a Kerry voter. Keep talking, your big mouth drives swing voters into our camp every time you speak….

  22. Rex Hammock Avatar

    Despite the difficulty I have with taking Dick Morris too seriously (I don’t know, there are just these images that pop into my mind whenever his name comes up), when it comes to developing a strategy for a successful campaign, Morris has some personal insight into the fight-club tactics necessary to win when the combat sinks into the gutter. His advice to Kerry seems logical to me: Remain a stealth candidate and let this election be about showing Bush the door. However, the chances of Kerry following this advice (his hubris is legendary) are remote. At some point, he will actually start believing the cheers are for him and not against Bush.

  23. trump Avatar

    Moore, Gore and Kennedy will tar Kerry w/ guilt by association. He’s letting THEM define him. Not good.
    Lets not forget, Bush is laying kinda low also. Wait until the ad onslaught starts from both sides. Kerry had better craft a real message, not just a “Bush sux” message. Bush can run ads with real claims- over a million jobs created, saddam toppled, leadership following 9/11, etc. Not to mention that Kerry voting record can be combed for material.
    What can Kerry run on? He doesn’t have a lot of bills he rammed through in Senate. He’s gotta run on either his plans, or Bush failures. Either way, he’s in a box

  24. Hubris Avatar

    Am I the only person who honestly doesn’t know how the debates will turn out?
    Who can be coached more effectively? Will it be easier for Kerry to curb the haughty demeanor, or for Bush to get past the word stumbles?
    Will Kerry impress with a high level of detail, or will Bush be able to shine with simple clarity of message?
    It will be interesting to watch.

  25. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    Uh, shark, more and more people are waking up and smelling the farce:
    From Newsday:
    New surveys by The New York Times and the Washington Post reveal a perilous plunge in the commander-in-chief’s credibility. The Times found that 79 percent of the public thinks Bush either is hiding something about Iraq, or worse, is “mostly lying” about it. The Post asked whether Bush or Kerry is “honest and trustworthy,” and the president was judged to be honest by 39 percent. Kerry came in at 52 percent.
    And don’t pretend that the right doesn’t get vitriolic. They perfected it from ’92-’00, creating one “scandal” after another out of thin air, until they settled on a blow job.
    I have every right to be upset at the Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft/Rumsfeld raping of my country.
    I just hope I can vote for Kerry.

  26. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    The debates with be a blast. I’m thinking of having friends over, creating driking games.
    Bush: Madman, madman, freedom, terror-terror-terror, god, stategery, terror-madman.
    Kerry: Drone policy drone drone drone drone drone drone policy drone drone drone ZZZZZZZZ drone drone drone drone drone policy drone drone drone drone.

  27. Kim Avatar

    Shark – I disagree with the “inexperienced and ineffective” label. His site http://www.johnedwards2004.com/home.asp, to echo Andy, is very positive. He represents middle class America in his views. I think the only thing that held him back from the nomination was his not embracing the fringe left view. He ran his campaign soft and attacked issues not media headlines. Hillary, I think, would unify the left. Media headlines don’t scare her. I think she would bring quite a few swing/moderate votes back to the left. Would it be enough to win? I don’t know. It would be one hell of a race though.

  28. shark Avatar

    creating one “scandal” after another out of thin air, until they settled on a blow job
    I get real tired of this. IT WAS PERJURY, NOT THE BLOWJOB. Get clear on that fact pal.
    I have every right to be upset at the Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft/Rumsfeld raping of my country.
    I don’t remember attacking your rights. I remember attacking your wonderful statement that Bush supporters shouldn’t be allowed to breed. Very classy.
    And please, you leave out the part of that poll that you cite that shows Bush- with all of that baggage- still gained 7 points on Kerry.
    At any rate, any poll conducted by with the Times should just go to the trash given their overt bias.
    But we’ll see what happens. One of us will be happy come election day…

  29. shark Avatar

    Shark – I disagree with the “inexperienced and ineffective” label. His site http://www.johnedwards2004.com/home.asp, to echo Andy, is very positive. He represents middle class America in his views. I think the only thing that held him back from the nomination was his not embracing the fringe left view. He ran his campaign soft and attacked issues not media headlines. Hillary, I think, would unify the left. Media headlines don’t scare her. I think she would bring quite a few swing/moderate votes back to the left. Would it be enough to win? I don’t know. It would be one hell of a race though
    But what you show here doesn’t disprove “inexperienced and ineffective” -Edwards is a 1st term Senator I believe (if wrong, please correct) and him and Kerry have how many spsonsord bills between them? I would wager it’s less than 10.
    Not making any value judgments on his politics. But Edwards can rightly be portrayed that way.

  30. odrady Avatar
    odrady

    Respectfully, Jeff, I thought a while back that you stated you would not be voting for President Bush. However, you express quite a bit of revulsion here about the “anti-Bush” modus operadi which would imply that Kerry would not get your vote either. Are you a Nader guy? What’s up? Just for clarification, seriously…
    Love the blog.

  31. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    Yes, it was the perjury. And why was he being asked about the sex in the first place? Because the persecutors couldn’t come up with anything.
    OF COURSE he lied. You would too if you had any sense.
    I didn’t say “Bush supporters” shouldn’t be able to breed. I said people who feal “lead” by him. People who confuse the perma-smirk for confidence and optimism, when it’s really the sign of a simpleton. People who look into those empty simian eyes and are filled with inspiration, trust, etc. Clearly a screw loose with them…
    Edwards isn’t a “man of the people”. He’s a friggin tort lawyer. He’s a leech, siphoning money from people and businesses who are actually productive. He’s the reason your and my (you know, the people) insurance and medical rates are so high. Pond scum.
    Tort lawyers – the only think lower than a politician on the humanity totem pole.

  32. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Odrady: The best thing a supporter can do is push the guy you’re supporting to do better. So look at that from two perspectives: First, pushing Kerry to get out there more and excite voters with his stands. Second, pushing fellow liberals not to fall into the trap of extremism as Moore et al copy the tactics of Coulter et al.

  33. John Avatar

    There are 2 points that have been coalescing for me recently regarding the actions of the Bush Haters.
    I became aware of the first one immediately after 9/11 when President Bush made it clear that he, and we as a nation, would be acting decisively against our attackers and the sponsors of worldwide terrorism.
    The Vietnam era anti-war crowd and their present day incarnate kicked into gear, robot like, seemingly without any serious analysis of the differences regarding our present day circumstances.
    Considering recent revelations from the former Soviet Union concerning direct KGB involvement in promoting the US and Worldwide Anti-War Movements during the Vietnam era, we would have to conclude that they certainly have gotten their moneys worth. It seems that we were inoculated against not only the Vietnam War, but future wars, even justifiable wars. From the perspective of the Soviet KGB, the Anti-War Movement has got to be the gift that just keeps on giving and giving.
    The second point is that of the media bias against the President. I believe that the relentless mis-characterizations of US policy, and the reality of events in Iraq by the mainstream media cannot only be attributed to the known left-wing bias of it’s grunt reporters.
    I suggest that there is a lot of money going up against the President, not only in campaign contributions, but in financing the services of US public relations firms in advocating against him.
    I think a good topic for some investigative reporting will be that of anti-Bush foreign money, it’s origin, and to whom it is being distributed.
    He, and we, have clearly ruffled some feathers, by acting decisively in a business as usual world.
    John Kerry is the candidate of the pre-war status quo, and is offering us a return to the vulnerabilities that brought about 9/11.
    This election may be about our functional soveriegnty as a nation.

  34. daudder Avatar
    daudder

    Almost every challenger gets zero serious coverage before the convention because of the built in advantage of being president. In the case of GWB, the big news theme has been is amazing implosion of support over the last 6 months…which admittedly has little to do with Kerry, and all to do with failing policy decisions.
    This notion that Kerry is running from coverage is pundit spin, to fill up the 24/7 “no-news” cycle of cable (and now blogs!). To take Dick Morris, Instacracker and Kaus as proof is insane, as all are Kerry-bashers of the first order.
    JK, like all previous challengers, has spent most of his time fund raising, building local political support, and honing his message. He has been mentioned/covered daily on the news, in the papers, but at the end of the day, he is not, yet, President.

  35. J_Crater Avatar
    J_Crater

    As far as those “anti-Bush” folks go, just tell them that you are voting for Nader because he is really the anti-war candidate.
    It’s a bit like asking a newpaper salesman if it comes in Braile.

  36. shark Avatar

    Yes, it was the perjury. And why was he being asked about the sex in the first place? Because the persecutors couldn’t come up with anything.
    This didn’t arise out of anything Starr initiated. Clinton was being deposed in another sexual harassement case (Paula Jones I believe) when he lied. Clinton did it to himself.
    OF COURSE he lied. You would too if you had any sense.
    Not really. If I had sense, I wouldn’t risk jail time with the prejury. At any rate, “you’d lie too if you had any sense” is not an acceptable legal defense. I wouldn’t advise you to try it.
    I didn’t say “Bush supporters” shouldn’t be able to breed. I said people who feal “lead” by him. People who confuse the perma-smirk for confidence and optimism, when it’s really the sign of a simpleton. People who look into those empty simian eyes and are filled with inspiration, trust, etc. Clearly a screw loose with them…
    Eh. Same thing. You don’t help your case any…
    Edwards isn’t a “man of the people
    AGREED!
    The best thing a supporter can do is push the guy you’re supporting to do better. So look at that from two perspectives: First, pushing Kerry to get out there more and excite voters with his stands
    Jeff, it doesn’t speak well of you that you’re supporting a guy who’s in such shape and needs this help. Have you learned nothing from your support of Gore? or is this your typical, reflexive liberalism kicking in and intefering with your critical thinking skills?

  37. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    That’s quite the conspiracy theory John, but Bush has been give such a free ride it’s unreal.
    The “liberal” media hammered their “own” guy Clinton more than Bush by a ridiculous factor.
    But I think we’ve all agreed, thoughout this site, that “big media” news is a failure.
    If Bush is suffering, it’s because people are looking below the surface of bile and vapidity, and finding that beneath it lies… more bile and vapidity, plus a core of pure evil. But hey, that’s just my opinion.
    His “charm” is wearing thin though. Live in denial if you wish, but the backlash is just gaining momentum.

  38. shark Avatar

    JK, like all previous challengers, has spent most of his time fund raising, building local political support
    Yeah, like infuriating the mayors of Boston and Miami….that’s not a smart move

  39. freddie poo Avatar
    freddie poo

    I am glad you get some of your insights from Dick Morris! You will never go wrong doing this…

  40. kelly Avatar

    i should know better than to get excited about something matt drudge says, but i couldn’t help myself yesterday when he started up again with the “hillary for VP” business. this, i thought, is something we can get behind. i would work my tail off for the DNC if there was any chance to get (either of) the clintons back at 1600, even in vp capacity.

  41. thedragonflies Avatar

    Bush has a couple of secret weapons in this election.
    The first is John Kerry. He is not an attractive personality, and somewhere along the line he will have to surface and be seen – and his numbers will drop.
    The second is the Michael Moore crowd. They are so filled with vitriol and hatred that they will turn off the middle of the road voter. They will do a lot to re-elect President Bush, I believe. Hate is not an attractor.

  42. blah Avatar

    Lately, it has appeared to me that Kerry has been all but hiding. He’s just not making news.
    Er, no. He’s working under the radar of big media, with its Jarvis-esque ‘policy? positive messages? boooooring!‘ attitude. Lots of coverage on local stations and in local papers, though. And since more people read their local papers and watch their local TV news, it’s a canny and smart move.

  43. shark Avatar

    i thought, is something we can get behind. i would work my tail off for the DNC if there was any chance to get (either of) the clintons back at 1600, even in vp capacity
    As long as you realize that same chance would probably mobilize an equal number to workd for the RNC to keep her out….
    “We’re going to take things away from you for the common good”
    Oh yeah, she’ll make all those swing voters decide immediately where they stand

  44. John Avatar

    “That’s quite the conspiracy theory John, but Bush has been give such a free ride it’s unreal.”
    Angelos: No conspiracy theory here. The former administration clearly took money from the PRC.
    The onslaught against Bush is out of all proportion to any rational critism which can be raised against his policies in the “War on Terror”.
    The recent fundraising stats are surprizing, considering that Kerry had to mortgage his house to make Iowa.
    I voted for Bill Clinton twice. Owing to his recent behavior, I am ashamed to admit that I supported Al Gore as well.
    I wouldn’t elevate the Clinton impeachment proceedings even to the level of very bad theater. We can argue which was more disgraceful, Clinton’s behavior or the Republican’s need to drag the entire country through the mud over it.
    Either way, we were diminished. In light of the events of the last few years, I believe the average American would have prefered that they take care of other business. Afterall we already have an entertainment industry.
    The attacks of 9/11 caused me to reevaluate all of my previous thinking. I was profoundly changed on that day, although I didn’t fully realize it until months later.
    I now view my former center-left orientation as a long term exercise in lazy thinking.
    I had always wondered why the former leftists I have known were so militant in their condemnation of their former politics. I understand now, and I too regret having spent the best years of my life looking at my world through an outdated and bankrupt ideology.
    Open your eyes, life offers much more opportunity than you may now believe.

  45. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    And the current administration is in bed with the house of Saud, not exactly upholders of any values we as Americans approve of. Unless you count keeping women in their place because, you know, god’s will.
    Actually John, we agree on most everything except the media’s handling.
    In my view, I’ve seen Bush go through nothing near the level of abuse Clinton had to go through, considering this admin is twice as crooked.
    We’ll only know the true answer in early November.
    My eyes are wide open, have been since I took out a business loan against my parents’ house to buy the company I was working for. I’m the only one responsible for my paycheck (and those of my employees).
    I voted for Clinton twice. Did quite well for myself in those years.
    I didn’t vote for either weasel in 2000. Everything’s gone down in the Bush years. Higher taxes (yes…), recession. I guess hiring’s been cheaper because people are so desperate. So the only good thing for me in the last 3.5 years is that I benefit from the misery of others. Sounds about right in this administration.
    There is nothing lazy about center-left or center-anything. That’s where the critical thinking lies. It’s the extremes that exercise no thought, Moore on one side, Limbaugh on the other.

  46. alkali Avatar
    alkali

    Part of the difficulty of getting a bead on the campaigns is that for most of us, they aren’t happening in our area. I live in Massachusetts, which is not a swing state. Kerry is not going to advertise here or come here and Bush is not going to advertise here or come here. Maybe we’ll hear about it if either of them go to New Hampshire or possibly Maine.
    trump writes:
    Lets not forget, Bush is laying kinda low also. Wait until the ad onslaught starts from both sides.
    Actually, it has begun. The Bush administration has spent a ton on anti-Kerry ads and Kerry has spent a fair bit himself. You and I just haven’t seen them, because they aren’t on the air where we live.

  47. lk Avatar

    Sometimes I yell “Go Yankees!”. Sometimes I yell “Beat the Red Sox!”. In a 2 person/team contest, one is the equivalent of the other, and if someone wants to psychoanalyze why one is better than the other, go for it. I am going to keep rooting.

  48. Franky Avatar
    Franky

    Jeff,
    I’m surprised this “running againt Bush, not for Kerry” caught you by surprise. Isn’t there a website: johnkerryisadouchebutIamstillvotingforhim.com (or some variant on that).
    Amongst an educated, dignifed populace, Bush would be voted out (just like Clinton would’ve have been forced to step down by constant marches outside the White House demanding the highest office of the land not be inhabitated by a liar).
    Maybe it’s better that Bush gets relected and this whole stinking system can go down the toilets even quicker, so we can begin to think about a new political set-up.

  49. odrady Avatar
    odrady

    Thanks, Jeff.
    The reason I asked was that 9/11 was my watershed moment too. I have voted straight Democrat for almost 30 years and I will be voting for President Bush this time around (Gore last time, oooppps!) because of two issues: the War on Terror and my perception of the decline of the Democratic Party to 1980’s Republican Party status (in the hands of extremists). This could change before November but with the situation in Iran as it is, bold action will be needed and I don’t think Kerry has the cajones to take it on. Of course, should Mr. Kerry be elected, I will support my President on Foreign Policy because, well, the people will have spoken.
    What really bothers me is this parallel: If a majority of Muslims do not “visibly and overwhelmingly” denounce the strategy and tactics of a “few”, i.e. the jihadis, are they providing tacit approval? Does this tacit approval give them “sponsorship” status of violent jihad and how must they then be treated?
    Similary, the Democrats now seem to be in the grips of the most extreme element of their Party (MoveOn & ANSWER, hence the comparison to ’80’s Republicans and the Christian Right)and it seems to be defining them. So much so that Michael Moore claims to be an Independent but is actually a registered Democrat. Hence, he launches his attacks from the point of view as an “outsider” when in fact he appears to be doing the Dems dirty work. And when most Democrats appear to be either tacitly or overtly approving these methods, how then must they be handled?
    American history says “at the ballot box”, but is that enough? I appreicate you motivating your guy to “do better” with your highly visible criticisms in the blogosphere, but, once again respectively, yours is a “relatively” small voice in a presently minor chorus.
    I’m very dismayed at how the extremists seem to have hijacked the discourse (just like I was in the 80’s on the other side). And if we have Madrid II in October?…

  50. h0mi Avatar

    Sometimes I yell “Beat the Red Sox!”.

    Did you do this in 96/97 whenever Baltimore played them? If the Red sox had beaten Baltimore 3 more times that year, the Yankees would’ve won the division.
    Sometimes “Beat X” and “Go Y” aren’t the same.

  51. MPF Avatar

    h0mi – nice point.

  52. Alice Avatar

    Angelo: We are all in bed with the House of Saud. Can you find one thing in your house not produced using oil in some way, shape, or form? It will take a bipartisan, mass movement to break our dependency on oil and I think that blaming one party over the other for our dependence is counterproductive. Democrats know just as well as Republicans that all Americans suffer when leaders fail to secure cheap oil for the population.

  53. lk Avatar

    I was thinking more head-to-head match-ups as are happening now in NYC. If you introduce a third party, the following are more or less equal:
    Go Bush. Beat Kerry. Get Nader on the ballot.

  54. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    Cheap oil is exactly the problem. That’s why we waste it.
    If gas cost $3 a gallon for the last 2 decades, we’d have better options by now. It’s all about motivation.
    Why change when oil is cheap?
    Not long ago, maybe 3 years, gas was .89 a gallon. That’s insane.
    Problem is, if we give the government that extra dollar in taxes, they’ll spend it on bullshit.

  55. Andy Avatar

    Where is the Republican “ATTACK MACHINE”?
    Every now and again, Kerry or Kennedy or some other fool has come out attacking the Republicans saying that they are about to “launch their attack machine” and therefore “we must defend ourself”… But I never see the “attack machine”
    My guess is that it doesn’t exist OR that it only works in battleground states, not nationwide or safe states.
    If it does exist it must stick to facts otherwise they’d be handing a nationwide media blitz that would skew negative.
    Will John Kerry ever stand up and spak his mind?
    Will learn WHO he is before he is elected?
    I cannot name one thing that he is for. I do know that if is is for it or doing it, Kerry’s agin it.
    The choice of Hillary as VP is brilliant-!
    She will polarize the bases AND suck all the spotlights away from Kerry. Win or Lose either way SHE gets experience on a national ticket…
    Kerry stays hidden once again.

  56. John Avatar

    Angelos: You said ealier that you are now a business owner. From your comment about using artificially high prices to spur conservation I would have to guess that your business is not transportation related.
    The entire developed world runs on oil. The prosperity we will be attempting to share with the
    less developed world will most likely in the short to medium term involve oil.
    Trying to change behavior by managing markets does not work.
    Expanding markets spreads prosperity. Lower fuel costs grows economies.
    Part of what we are dealing with in the case of the oil producing nations involves their failure to realize that they would be better off with more diverse economies of their own which would benefit from the overall expansion caused by lower oil prices. Instead they cling to oil as their only significant source of revenue, and attempt to remain relevant by throttling the world economy up and down in response to geopolitical stimuli.

  57. djangone Avatar
    djangone

    Andy, I used to think that people who claimed not to see the ‘attack machine’ were just plain silly fibbers. But now that I’ve heard this a few times from the right, I’m starting t think you might really not see it. It’s, like, welling up from behind you guys and goes right past while you’re looking left. All you get is a little wind-toss to the hair.
    Meanwhile, we who don’t worship at the Shrine of Norquist get stuff like the link from the WaTimes I posted yesterday.
    http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20040629-090643-9704r.htm
    But that’s just one article among thousands. You might’ve missed the 34 murders Clinton is supposed to have committed. Or his being a KGB spy. Certainly I can’t expect you to know that I’ve been called a traitor / terrorist-lover / America-hater going on 30 times, and I’ve only been writing in blogs for two months.
    You want real proof of the ‘attack machine’? Here’s a secret: it’s one reason Clinton is carted out. He’s whatcha call a shit-magnet. Cart out either of the Clintons, and the right is like a dog after red meat. That leaves Kerry free to skate. Ever wonder why Bill doesn’t mind talking about Clenis so much these days? I’ve been hearing all these Hilary-for-veep rumors–totally not going to happen-but she’s being used as usual to unite the right. It’s so blatant. But, you know, fine. Keep on her, she’s not important. You’ll be way behind the game when it comes time to invent some KGB spying in Kerry’s past.

  58. dc Avatar

    Those “Would you like to help us beat Bush?” people gave me the same thought. When asked that the other day by a girl with a clipboard I kinda wanted to respond “I think it’s funny…you guys aren’t really running a candidate, are you?” Instead I replied, “I’ll be okay, thanks.” (It was only a couple steps later I realized I should have prefaced my reply by saying “I’m a white male, so…” just to cement in her mind the picture she must have painted of me as a person when I didn’t drop everything I was doing to sign up.)

  59. forbush Avatar
    forbush

    This isn’t the Miss America contest, guys.
    The policies and priorities of the current administration are being rejected. There’s a lot of discomfort with what America’s done in the world, and what hasn’t been done here.
    It’s not about who we like, but what the priorities are. We could do with less persona and more truth, and more concern for us.

  60. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    John, our gas prices are artificially LOW. Everyone else pays double what we do.
    Since when are we trying to share any prosperity with developing markets? We’re a protectionist economy. Our textile, sugar, etc. lobbies are too connected. We pay 3 times as much as we should for sugar. We slap tariffs on everything that we can. Random industries try to sue foreign competitors for dumping every year.

  61. syn Avatar

    “Vote for hate” meme, is this the ticket?

  62. John Avatar

    Angelos
    In the countries to which I presume you refer, pump prices are maintained at artificially high levels by government policy.
    World crude prices are higher than they should be for optimal growth in the world economy due to restrictions of supplies by the producers.
    For those of you who don’t get it yet, a key component of the Bush Doctrine is spreading prosperity through expanding markets and trade.
    Establishing security and rule of law is a pre-curser to investment and expanded prosperity.
    In the most simple terms, do we want to give the man a fish, or teach him to fish and trade him something we produce for his fish?
    What Democrats and the left in general apparently are unable to grasp is that the culture and politics of victimhood are a dead-end.

  63. Alice Avatar

    Angelos, I don’t care how much they pay for gas in Europe, where they have many bad ideas about government. Besides, I could just as easily describe their prices as artificially high. Living in Europe is nothing like living in this country in terms of getting around. Taxes in many European countries are crippling to the economy and people. In Sweden taxes are around 75%. Wrong approach. I agree with John on this one. I agree with you in that I also think the government would not spend it wisely. They get enough of our money.

  64. Jet Avatar

    I find it interesting that Karl linked to Kerry’s positions on a number of issues–TWICE–and still the “Kerry doesn’t stand for anything” talk sails right along. He stands for plenty, you people just don’t feel like hearing it.
    http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/

  65. Karl Avatar

    Thanks Jet. I’ve posted a reply on my site, ( http://www.paradox1x.org/weblog/kmartino/archives/003342.shtml#003342) which links to the advertising campaigns of both candidates. This is – by far – from what I understand – where most political communication money goes. And by looking at the ads it’s clear who the campaigner is who is “running against the other” side vs. their take on the issues and outlook ot the future.
    The press and webloggers are failing to link to and discuss these things since they can’t be reduced down to simple soundbytes. It’s far too easy to point a finger instead of saying what your person actually stands for.
    And it brings a hell of a load more hits too.
    I’m as guilty of this as anyone else. Jeff’s advice above is the best advice that can be given.

  66. Andy Avatar

    Jet; re:Kerry
    Why doesn’t he speak in specific detail. Why must we wade thru anti-Bush verbiage for hours to get to an idea? I have a low tolerance for retread hate speech that can be gotten from any second-rater.
    Why hasn’t he enacted legislation to cure these ills over the past 20 years o his political career? As a Senator he can introduce legislation. I find very little that he introduced or co-sponsored.
    Staff position papers are not Candidate positions until he takes them to heart and starts talking about them.
    When will he tell us if he wants to be President to DO something or be President simply To BE?
    Place Holder Presidents get Americans Killed.

  67. Karl Avatar

    “Why must we wade thru anti-Bush verbiage for hours to get to an idea? I have a low tolerance for retread hate speech that can be gotten from any second-rater.”
    You are just what they want you to be Andy.
    You deny yourself the capability to draw your own conclusions based on details and instead are left with images, sound-bytes, and pundits to show you the way.
    I can’t help but think that I said something that can’t be refuted easily and that’s why people have ignored me in this thread.
    That’s just too sweet.

  68. Trump Avatar

    Karl-
    Woopee, Kerry has position papers on his website.
    They mean nothing. Things on websites get changed, deleted etc all the time. If something is there he needs to get rid of, it’s gone or he can blame some web administrator.
    It means NOTHING.(and this goes for the GWB website)
    State what you stand for publically, where you can be held accountable. Don’t hide it amongst the flotsam and jetsam of a web site.
    Just my thoughts. Nobody was ignoring you and your “vital” point, but it wasn’t worth responding to.
    Now please stop whining ;)

  69. Karl Avatar

    So you are saying that what Jeff Jarvis posts here or I post on my site is nothing? That we can’t be held accountable to the things we say on the web? That it is not a public place?
    News to me. And probably news to Mr. Jarvis as well. And news to all the webloggers out there. And news to all the online newspapers out there.
    In addition to his web site, Kerry has been making tour stops all over the place sharing those stances with live audiences.
    Will it take a landing on an aircraft carrier to help you out a little?

  70. h0mi Avatar

    http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/index.html
    So far no specifics on his economic plan. He intends to create 10 million jobs, and Bush’s name appears 4 times before the first “read more” link. The link:
    http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/10million.html
    takes us there. So what do we see?
    Kerry will eliminate all of the tax breaks that encourage companies to move jobs overseas and use the savings to encourage companies to create jobs in America.
    Kerry will help jumpstart job creation with a New Jobs Tax Credit paid for by a one-year tax holiday to encourage companies to reinvest their foreign earnings in America.
    International tax reform is part of Kerry’s overall plan to regain America’s competitive edge, together with policies to lower the cost of health premiums for companies, modernize our information infrastructure, make energy more affordable, increase investments in education, and regain confidence in our fiscal future.
    It appears Kerry is banking on rewinding “outsourcing” in order to bring back or create 10 million jobs.
    Looks like a rehash (sort of) of the “$300/person tax rebate” from 2001, with the “rebate” going to buisinesses for 1 year instead of consumers, and presumably being much larger than $300.
    Isn’t this “corporate welfare”?
    Just wondering, but has Senator Kerry ever proposed these sorts of things while representing Massachussets? If these are such good ideas, why not?
    I find it interesting that Kerry is also proposing a 5% corporate tax rate cut. That doesn’t sound like a candidate who isn’t “in the pocket of corporate interests”.
    Another comment:
    http://www.georgewbush.com/Economy/
    Notice Kerry’s name isn’t mentioned in these plans.

  71. Karl Avatar

    Good job h0mi :) You got informed. And *now* this can become an intersting conversation.
    Time for me to read the Bush page :)

  72. h0mi Avatar

    I also went through all the Kerry ads. (ugh, heh)
    I count 30 “videos” for Kerry’s ads. Ads are apparantly in newest to oldest order:
    Pilot- Talks about kerry
    Paperwork- Kerry gives high level message about his plans for healthcare.
    Country- Tells us he wants to be president because he believes country is going in the wrong direction. Wants to make “healthcare a right”.
    Optimists- “We’re a country of optimists”.
    Time’s up- Replays, repeatedly, Bush’s 2000 campaign promise to “making sure people have got affordable health care and insurance policies to make sure they (garbled- have help to pay for them?)”
    Lifetime- Talks about Kerry’s life and record in the senate.
    Heart- Essentially identical to Lifetime, except Kerry is telling the story along with comments from his wife and daughter. “We’re a country of optimists, we’re the can do people, and we just need to believe in ourselves again”
    Risk- Kerry offers to change the situation in Iraq by reaching out to the international community. “And we’re paying the highest price in the lives of our young soldiers, almost alone.”
    Committment- 3 priorities will be defined by Kerry.
    Join the fight for our environment- Starts off with “George Bush let corporate polluters…”
    Join the fight- Starts off with “Under George Bush…”
    Choice- 2nd line- “George Bush will appoint anti-choice, anti-privacy justices.”
    Very first Bush Budget- A teacher is lecturing a child, starting off with saying the numbers do not add up.
    10 million new jobs- First line “While jobs are leaving our country in record numbers, George Bush says…”
    Fought for his Country- “We need to get some things done in this country. Affordable health care, rolling back tax cuts for the wealthy, really investing in our kids…”
    Bush misleading America and We’re not going to take it- “Once again, George Bush is misleading America. John Kerry has never called for a 900 billion dollar tax increase…”
    Keep our word- Shows a Bush speech regarding jobs while saying 2.9 million jobs lost. Also goes into the no child left behind act.
    Cleland- Max Cleland endorses Kerry.
    Jobs Lost- “3 million jobs lost. That is an astonishing failure” …
    More than Anyone- “He’s taken 3.2 million dollars from big oil and gas companies…” referring to President Bush. Mentions Enron.
    We need to get some things done- After a brief reminder of his time in vietnam and actions rallying “the nation to end that war” the narrator continues- “The senator who defended a woman’s right to choose, stop George Bush from drilling in the arctic, and now he’s running for president”
    No Mr. President- Starts with “George Bush’s ad says he’s being attacked for attacking the terrorists…”
    Oportunidades- Spanish language ad for Kerry.
    Better for America- Starts with vietnam war story, Kerry starts to say “You have to do what’s right. It’s right to roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy…”
    He’ll fight for us- Kerry will stand up to Big Oil, Drug Companies and Insurance companies. Some woman says towards the end “The only way we’re going to beat George Bush is with John Kerry’s leadership and experience.” and Kerry says “I promise to take the fight to George Bush, every single day.” at the end. (Before approving the message)
    Latest TV Ad: Christie Vilsack “I’m standing with John Kerry because he’ll fight for us”- Christie Vilsack endorses Kerry. Ends with Kerry saying (after approving the message) “because together, we can defeat George Bush and the powerful special interests.”
    A Good American- Starts with Vietnam story, and appears to be the origin of the “Because it’s right to roll back the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy” sound bite.
    Middle Class Tax Cut- Widow raising 4 boys on 28k says “I think it makes sense to roll back tax cuts on the wealthiest people in this country. But some Democrats want to raise taxes on the middle class.” Kerry ads towards the end “I don’t think we should be asking the middle class to be the people who are going to pick up, for George Bush’s mistakes.”
    Family Health Care Crisis- Outlines a family who, in order to afford health care, has to continue working through the chemotherapy she is recieving. “We have to change that.” “In my first 100 days as president, I’ll introduce legislation that makes your health care more important than insurance and drug company profits.”
    Feeding Frenzy- “There’s a special interest feeding frenzy in Washington”. Kerry led in the fight against Drug company giveaways & drilling in ANWR. Bush’s name mentioned in the ANWR part.
    There were at least 6 ads referring to the same footage- an interview of other naval personnel with whom Kerry likely served and saved their lives. A common theme of course
    So like I said. 30 ads. Of these, 7 are clearly “positive” ads:
    Pilot
    Optimists
    Lifetime
    Heart
    Committment
    Cleland
    Opportunidades
    There were 4 ads I didn’t think were clearly positive or negative:
    Paperwork
    Risk
    Fought for his country
    Country
    Of these, Country is probably the most “negative” of the ads, with Paperwork being the least “negative”.
    The rest of the ads mention Bush, Bush’s policies and do so in obviously negative ways.
    To be fair, it’d be interesting to contrast this with the Bush ads.

  73. h0mi Avatar

    Trump does have a point. Does it really matter what is on a web site? The fact that Kerry, Bush, or whoever has “issues” posted on their web sites…
    does it matter to you that Bush had any of this in 2000? Gore? What mattered to me and probably most voters is what we actually expected specific politicians to do should they get elected. To the handful of undecideds, the 2000 election wasn’t turned by the contents of the Bush/Gore web sites, and the 2004 won’t be turned by what’s on the Kerry/Bush web sites. It will be based upon current events and what ads each candidate runs. A Kerry ad calling Bush’s administration Wiemarlike in November may swing the election to/from him. Or have no effect on his strong/failing numbers. But that ad would be remembered by more voters than anything Bush/Kerry wrote on candidate.com

  74. Karl Avatar

    You are absolutely right as to impact h0mi. TV ads do have more weight with voters. What the websites provide is tools for us to know the positions of candidates since we can’t discern them from advertisements or the news media. That goes for both candidates. The more detail on a website – or any other communication tool the candidate wishes to use – the better it is for us to get informed.
    Trump was saying that Kerry hasn’t shared his positions. That’s factually inaccurate. He has. Just no one is passing on the news.
    I’m interested in hearing you contrast the Bush advertisement campaign vs. the Kerry.

  75. Alice Avatar

    Jet: re. Kerry’s site, I like what I read about adjusting taxation centered around foreign investment to encourage companies to invest in the US. But here’s something that really scares me (this is a quote from Kerry’s website, which is badly out of date with regards to the handing over of power in Iraq):
    “An international High Commissioner should be authorized by the UN Security Council to organize the political transition to Iraqi sovereignty and the reconstruction of Iraq in conjunction with the new Iraqi government.”
    The UN Security Council? This is what I have seen from the UN in the past decade or so: Sanction Iraq, Iraq breaks agreement almost on a daily basis (not accounting for ‘destroyed weapons, firing on planes in no fly zone, continued butchering of his own populace, etc.) UN members who are profiting from Food-for-Oil on security council oppose war to remove Hussein out of peace-loving generosity…towards their own economies. Additionally, The UN Human Rights Commission contains countries in which women and gays are treated worse than a useful farm animal. How much longer do we need to pretend the UN is a good thing?

  76. h0mi Avatar

    Just no one is passing on the news.

    Or it’s not being heard. Or in order to express his views on healthcare, he needs more than just a 10 second video clip (especially when the first 1/2 of it goes over his vietnam service.)
    It would be fair to ask if on his campain tour (the purported “misery tour”) if he’s outlining his plans there. Those are the kinds of places where he CAN spend an hour outlining his plan, what he wants to do.
    I’ll have to see about looking at the Bush ads tomorrow. I saw one yesterday. It was very upbeat until 40 seconds into it when it started to decry “Kerry’s pessimism”. I think it should’ve been 2 different ads.
    Note that my evaluation hasn’t commented on whether the ads are necessarily _effective_ or not.

  77. Karl Avatar

    The UN needs plenty of reform. That’s definitely true.
    But what’s your solution to that Alice? Any except for saying to shut it down? What’s your alternative? Do you have one besides “coalitions of the willing?”. Should countries stop paying attention to sovereignty (something the UN is built in and attempt (keyword attempt) to protect by providing a supposedly non partial third party) and mess in each other’s affairs directly without mediation? I realize that third party is in need of major reform. Major, major reform. But what is your solution Alice?
    What do you think of the EU? Good idea/bad? Who/what will help mediate between the US, EU, China, India, and so forth? The UN and NATO, backed up by United States and Britain

  78. Karl Avatar

    h0mi – you are a breath of fresh air. I may disagree with your politics (you’re a Bush supporter right?) – but at least you’re being fair :) That’s a rare thing on either side these days. Don’t let the bastards shut down your mind. Too much of that going around.

  79. Karl Avatar

    I should have called the terrorists cockroaches. They are insiduous and deserve the very same treatment.

  80. Alice Avatar

    Karl, Very valid questions and many valid points. I don’t want to shut it down. I want for nations who have no respect for the rights of women or gays to be prevented from being in charge of seeking out human rights violators around the world. They just need to look in the mirror to find them. Search finished. I want for the UN to work really hard to avoid all out war to solve problems, but be willing to go there if necessary so that their threats actually have some teeth to them. That’s not how I wish the world were, but it is. There are times when bloodshed is necessary, and it’s usually not convenient. I want for people around the world to demand that a transparent and thorough investigation of corruption within the UN occur. (I’m thinking of the oil-for-food scandal.)
    EU: I think it’s an undemocratically elected government of sorts. I’m far from being an expert on the matter, but it makes me very nervous. I understand and am sympathetic to supporters of it in that there are many logistical trade and currency issues that the EU can help solve, however it seems like a lot of power in the hands of people who were not elected. As a liberal, I’ve got a problem with that.
    Nuclear war: I don’t think terrorists are ants. They are the fruits of Islamofascist dictatorships and Islamic Kingdoms. They are a menace. Are they as bad as full scale nuclear war? Not in a million years. On that note, what happens when more and more Islamofascists have nuclear weapons? What would the UN do about that?

  81. Karl Avatar

    Hi Alice: thanks for the reply and the answers. I think there are too many who don’t think it thru as you have. I can’t agree with you more on the UN and it’s inconsistent and shameful lack of consistent support of women’s rights.
    I corrected myself on the word ants. That was a very bad insect to compare them too. They are definitely cockroaches. Just like cockroaches they spread and multiply in places that don’t have light (the Islamofascist dictatorships and Islamic Kingdoms) and are a menace to our health and way of life. Sooner or later (maybe even right now) they will be able to commit even more horrific attacks like 9/11. People have already forgotten about Bali and Spain.
    I don’t think the UN – alone – can do anything about them. But like you said, they are the fruits of these dictatorships. I think the UN as tool for the US and Britain (and hopefully the rest of NATO since the entire western way of life is being threatened) to gain access to where these roaches are hiding and kill them. To do that, we will need to provide these dictatorships with valid ways to transition to the 21st century. To do that we will need the trust and support of the rest of the world. The UN is a tool It needs plenty of help. Reform. And light cast on it’s stupidity and hypocrisy. But there are too many that just want to cast it aside on the dustbin of history without providing an alternative. Happy you

  82. Alice Avatar

    Karl good.
    Reform good.
    America good.
    This website good.
    Positivity good.

  83. Karl Avatar

    Well I didn’t mean it quite like that :)
    But it does point to a way to bring some real discussion across the the barriers we are putting up against ourselves. You and I could have easily went at it – instead we discussed and shared ideas.
    Our own willfull ignorance is is a tool that helps the enemy.

  84. h0mi Avatar

    Thanks for the kind words, it is appreciated, and a reminder of the imporance of not raving and keeping an even keel. I mean, it’s only politics.