The Week on indecency

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The Week on indecency

: I’m at The Week event on indecency and media and I’ll blog first, clean up later…

: Bill Maher says Americans “really like bad words, they like to see some skin, they like titillation.”

: Maher on Janet Jackson: The country is freaking out after “that one blurry black tit.” At the same time, they have accepted 2,500 vacation trips from those they should regulate and that’s what’s obscene.

: Michele Malkin says she’s more concerned about political correctness: Her editors X out “illegal alien.”

: Arianna turns it into Iraq: “Obscenity is invading a country….” Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maher later accuses her of entering into her stump speech.

: Maher says that “if a lot of people like pornography, that is community.” Thus that is the communiy standard. Harry Evans asks him: “Do you have any standards at all?”

: John Gibson says he’s a friend of pornographer Mitchell (an old San Francisco connection) and it’s fine if people have it — but broadcast is different.

: Evans, the moderator, brought a whistle to blog off the dirty words.

: Arianna starts to make fun of Gibson for joining FoxNews and changing. Gibson: “I remember a different Arianna, too.”

: Harry asks are sexual words damaging and dangerous? Gibson says people shouldn’t have to hear it in their living rooms. Maher says, “You say it as if we’re in an Orwellian world where they’re watching it on TV and they can’t get away from it. They’re watching it on purpose.”

: Maher: “I have never in my life listened to a shock jock. The only time I have heard Howard Stern was when I was on his show and that was too much.”

: Arianna says we’re paying too much attention to indecency and too little to 9/11.

: Harry asks whether Maher is opposed to Stern being dropped. “Yes, and I hate him,” is his answer.

: Maher: “Can we put away these silly old chestnuts. The other one is that the public owns the airwaves. Rupert Murdoch owns the airwaves.”

: Harry turns to political correctness and censorship. Malkin says she is “concerned about the use of civility as a club to censor speech on campus.” Example: The affirmative action bake sales on campuses that have been shut down. “That is what I am more worried about.” Newspapers will take out “illegal alien” because it is “insensitive.”

: Maher: “The biggest threat of censorship is on college campuses. They are out of control…. The kids today. Somebody needs to slap them. They do not understand what free speech is. And it’s coming from the left….” He tells a story of speaking at Smith and a student who walked out of watching the final episode of Ellen because it was boring was threatened with being thrown off of campus for a “hate crime.”

: Arianna says she things The Swan is the absolute bottom but she would not want it banned because then someone would try not to show her the pictures from Abu Ghraib.

: Gibson raises the Nick Berg video — showing Abu Ghraib but not Berg. Maher: “I’ve never been so proud as an American … that our torture is better than their torture.”

: Gibson: “As Tom Brokaw said about 9/11, we didn’t exploit the day. We sanitized it.”

: Gibson: “I don’t know if I”m supposed to tell this. I almost got kicked off the air in Great Britain.” He said it’s illegal to express an opinion on broadcast. Not sure what he means….

: Malkin: “Those Abu Ghraib pictures were journalistic pornography.” She says that if you ask a journalist to report on the details of partial-birth abortion “they all of a sudden get too delicate.”

: Karen Finley does a moment of performance art from the lead table. She acts as if “orange alert” is an orgasm. Hadda be here….

: Maher on Abu Ghraib photos: “Those pictures are very gay. When you’re staring at a gigantic table of man-ass, that is over the rainbow Will & Grace… I don’t think Donald Rumsfeld should step down, he should come out.”

: Maher says there shouldn’t be such a thing as a “hate crime. That’s a thought crime.” Crimes, he says, don’t come out of love.

: Sue Elicot (sp?) of Air Amerca (the one with the British accent) says the station is pushing the envelope? How? “Anti-political correctness.” Really?

: Ashleigh Banfield says that she did complain about Michael Savage, who called her a slut and news whore. The complaint went nowhere.

: Michael Fuchs, ex head of HBO, scolds them: “None of you has mentioned the First Amendment.” I applaud.

: Karen says, “We have to live with offensive speech.” Amen.

: Maher says MTV is worse. It teaches children to be narcissitic and shallow.

: I stood up to complain about the chill government creates. You’ve heard it before. I’ll spare you.

: Arianna: “Can we please be outraged by something real rather than Janet Jackson’s friggin’ boob.” She says “boob” with a cute accent.

: Monica Crowley complains about the lack of uniform standards. She used to be for the rules until she got her own radio show. “Everything is so subjective.” She stopped herself from saying “bitch” yesterday.

Maher: “What she’s saying is that the definition of a liberal is a conservative who’s just been censored, if I may paraphrase that.”

: Maher brags: “I went on the Tonight Show in 1993 and said the words ‘sucks.’ No one had ever said the word sucks before… They went apeshit backstage. Three days later, Johnny said ‘sucks.”

33 responses to “The Week on indecency”

  1. Sydney Carton Avatar
    Sydney Carton

    Why anyone would listen to Bill Maher or Ariana Huffington, I can’t imagine. Neither of those two represent flyover country at all, and they talk with extreme disdain for normal Americans who have values. Those 2 both make me want to barf.

  2. shark Avatar

    Wow…Maher says a lot and some of it appears to be edgy, but mostly he’s just a dope

  3. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    “Normal Americans who have values”
    What a load of manure. Are there emptier words than “family values”? And is it surprising that your typical unsophisticated, sound-bite-susceptible “normal Americans” fell for them hook line and sinker, even coming out of the mouths of Dan Quayle and scum-of-the-earth televangelists?
    EVERYONE has “values”. They just may not jive with yours. High horse, undeserved.

  4. Yogi Berra Avatar
    Yogi Berra

    This is why weblogging is a failure: this account is gibberish and just an disconnected accounting of one-liners. This doesn’t even reach the level of a court stenographer. Are we supposed to be impressed that you’re a bad stenographer or that you’re trying to be part of this panel? You’re not part of the panel, Jeffo, no matter how hard you want to be.

  5. Sydney Carton Avatar
    Sydney Carton

    Angelos,
    Any more smug condensation you’d care to vent?

  6. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    To express your disdain for Huffington and Maher is fine. To claim your opinion is born from “values” that are somehow superior to those of others, and if you meant smug CONDESCENSION, then I think your original phrase “normal Americans who have values” has plenty for all of us.
    Condensation you can find on a physics blog.

  7. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Yogi… Well, F you. Sorry if you don’t like it. Shall I give you a refund? Oh, that’s right, it’s free. The point of liveblogging is simply that a blogger as witness can get an event online immediately. You can take those quotes and craft a story if you want to. I don’t.

  8. mm Avatar

    Jarvis said (most eloquently): Yogi… Well, F you….
    One of the reasons you’ve said that you don’t want to use the “F word” on your blog because your son will read it. Its honorable to protect your kid from foul language. But what’s the point of inferring the same language by saying “F you”?
    There’s no question what you’re trying to express. How does not typing the letters u-c-k prevent anyone from understanding (let alone saying the word in their head) the vulgarity you’re trying to avoid? Just doesn’t make sense to me.

  9. rivlax Avatar
    rivlax

    I urge Yogi to read any “mainstream press” account of this meeting and get more out of it than Jeff just gave us. It ain’t gonna happen. You’ll get formula writing, selective quotation with an agenda base, and no real feel for the meeting. You can say that about 99 percent of any public gathering that the media cover, from a town hall meeting in Armpit, Arkansas, to, well, the 9/11 commission.

  10. HH Avatar

    Obviously Maher is wrong about the date as Carson left in ’92.
    Also the reason Savage called Banfield a “whore,” etc. was her uncritical coverage of Palestinian terrorists.

  11. Larry Avatar

    I believe the network debut of the word “sucks” was Dan Aykroyd on SNL as Leonard Pinth Garnell, host of “Bad Cinema.” It definitely got my attention, I never forgot it. Looked like it might have been ad-libbed. That couldn’t have been any later than 1979, he left the show that year.

  12. Roger L. Simon Avatar

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Oriana, not Ariana.

  13. Leonard Pinth Garnell Avatar
    Leonard Pinth Garnell

    I wasn’t alluding to fellatio, if you really want to know.
    PS-Stacy’s mom has got it going on.
    Jeff, do you think that Arianna’s a MILF?

  14. h0mi Avatar

    Ugh that’s a sight I didn’t need to think of.
    Look. Playboy is not available for sale just anywhere, and is displayed in ways or manners that prevent easy access by children. That is not censorship- the magazine is still free to publish and is still published every month. Certainly there’s got to be some way to apply this standard to TV and Radio so that persons who want adult material like Playboy can get it, but we make an effort to keep it from children. We don’t need porn on broadcast TV at 6pm in order to avoid “censorship” issues.

  15. Franky Avatar
    Franky

    http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3.htm
    more pussy corporations bowing down to a vocal but (I’ll give it to you all who post here) well-organized.
    Right, so Rumsfeld keeps his job, but Hunter gets fired; welcome to 21st century America.
    I give up

  16. KMK Avatar

    Hunter didn’t get fired he got edited. Thompson wrote: “Not even the foulest atrocities of Adolf Hitler ever shocked me so badly as these photographs did” about Abu Ghraib in an article titled “Lets go to the Olympics” for ESPN.
    It was changed to……
    “These horrifying digital snapshots of the American dream in action on foreign soil are worse than anything even I could have expected. I have been in this business a long time and I have seen many staggering things, but this one is over the line. Now I am really ashamed to carry an American passport”.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=thompson/040518

  17. vaildog Avatar
    vaildog

    Bill Maher’s act is getting so freaking old. Ooh I’m so controversial, look at me I said the suck word before anyone else, I’m so edgy and hip. What a tool.

  18. it's a cynical life Avatar
    it’s a cynical life

    Censorship,schmencorship! Jeff your constant whining about the “Great Stern” is getting old. Why do supposedly educated people feel it necessary to bombard us with foul language, graphic violent and sexual imagery, as if we as adults are so simple that we need this in order to be considered “adult”. Let sanity reign…if “adults” need this put it where they have to go to minimal effort to view and hear it. Kids these days have no chance to be kids since freely available “public airwaves” gear almost everything to adults. Even children’s programming contain a certain amount of *wink,wink* adult attitude.

  19. ed Avatar

    55% worthwhile, the rest is garbage.

  20. Yogi Berra Avatar
    Yogi Berra

    Jeffo, it’s pretty clear you don’t want a dialogue with your readers: you want an audience to preach at.

  21. Yogi Berra Avatar
    Yogi Berra

    In another post you wrote:
    “But he needs to understand that having a blog is all about transparency and communiation and conversation.”
    Then you wrote:
    “Yogi… Well, F you.”
    Which is it? Oh, wait…you want communication and conversation with people who always agree with you. Your personal little echo chamber.
    Guess what? The real world don’t work that way. If you can’t take any criticism — which is a part of communication and conversation — then don’t go around extolling the virtues of blogs when you’re clearly not willing to lead a good example.

  22. mm Avatar

    ditto what Yogi just said.

  23. Jeff Jarvis Avatar
    Jeff Jarvis

    so your definition of conversation is that you insult me from your anonymous, chicken’s perch and I am not supposed to reply? f that. that is conversational terrorism.

  24. HH Avatar

    Yup, you’re right. I actually saw a video of it the other day (it was released on VHS – not sure about DVD – in “The Best of Buck Henry”). Aykroyd was the first guy to say “sucks.” So Maher’s a self-promoting liar on both counts.

  25. HH Avatar

    Yup, you’re right. I actually saw a video of it the other day (it was released on VHS – not sure about DVD – in “The Best of Buck Henry”). Aykroyd was the first guy to say “sucks.” So Maher’s a self-promoting liar on both counts.

  26. mm Avatar

    Jarvis – perhaps you should try replying with out resorting to the childish “f you” language.
    sure glad you’re protecting your kid by not spelling out the word – too bad you’re setting a very poor example as how to react to criticism.

  27. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Oh, my, my, I’ve been scolded by somebody who doesn’t even have the courage or imagination to give or make up a name. Spare me.

  28. mm Avatar

    Oh, my, my, I’ve been scolded by somebody who doesn’t even have the courage or imagination to give or make up a name. Spare me.
    ad hominem

  29. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    What’s your name, “mm”? Come on,you want to have a discussion, a dialogue, that usually occurs when two people talk face to face. So who are you? Come on, have some guts. Or have some imagination. Make up a name. What are you scared of?

  30. Jeff B. Avatar
    Jeff B.

    Wait a goddamn second. This is freaking ridiculous.
    Jeff J. made a typical liveblogging post about the panel discussion he was at – no different than the many others he’s done, fairly innocuous, and certainly interesting enough – and Yogi Berra’s FIRST response, right out of the gate, is: “This doesn’t even reach the level of a court stenographer. Are we supposed to be impressed that you’re a bad stenographer or that you’re trying to be part of this panel? You’re not part of the panel, Jeffo, no matter how hard you want to be.”
    That’s more or less one long, unrelieved insult, with extra nastiness added in (“no matter how hard you want to be”), with no plausible motivation behind it relevant to the topic itself. What, are you OUTRAGED that Jeff would presume to post on a subject, and in a manner, which pleases him on his own blog? And now you, Yogi, are getting pissy because he wasn’t happy with your totally random bile? A lot of other bloggers would have banned your arse in heartbeat, end of story: Jarvis is still talking to you, however curtly. Mote, beam, eye…you put it together.
    Look, I’m not trying to be a slavish defender or anything (heck, Jeff J. mostly bassackwards about Stern in my opinion), but this borders on the surreal. Since when you do have a right to just bust out with unprovoked insults and then get indignant when your target gets angry?

  31. Amy Langfield Avatar

    In my notes I have that Maher said 1983, not ’93. And I thought he merely said no one on Carson had said “sucks” before — not that he was claiming it had never been said on TV. But then again, my head was pounding horribly from Harold Evans constantly blowing that whistle into his mike, so maybe I didn’t hear it correctly.

  32. El Jefe Avatar
    El Jefe

    There is, to me, only one ‘value’: Freedom
    When Maher, Moore, Harrington, etc. stop hating America and her freedoms then I might start actually listening to them rather than hearing them.
    When they come to the realization that America didn’t start this war, that the Islamic Fanatics want not just me dead but them as well, that we’re all infidels in their eyes, that they won’t stop until we’re either converted or dead, then maybe – MAYBE – they’ll wake up.
    Yes, it IS that simple.
    Sorry, Angleos, for being so ‘unsophisticated’ for your tastes. BTW, what are YOUR values?

  33. mm Avatar

    The problem, El Jefe, is when we force our “freedoms” (i.e., foreign policy, economic policy, trademark policy) on other countries/cultures. Guess what – some people (some traditional Muslim cultures) don’t like that and decide push back.