Zeyad’s camera

Zeyad’s camera
: Salon just put up the story of Zeyad‘s camera and coverage of the anti-terrorism demonstrations last month and of the NY Times’ failure to cover them.

This was perplexing, because Zeyad and other Iraqi bloggers promoted the march on their sites days in advance. But is Baghdad bureau chief Susan Sachs or her staff even aware of Iraq’s postwar blogs?

I contacted Daniel Okrent on this, and he called Sachs in Baghdad, then related her answer back to me:

“She says that the staff — including people who monitor the wires, the police radio, the military, the CPA, [Coalition Provisional Authority] the Iraqi Governing Council, the Arabic TV and Arabic Web sites — does not check blogs on a regular basis. One of the office staff sometimes run across them when doing Google or other similar searches.”

Okrent notes that Ghaith Abdul Ahad, a friend of the original Baghdad blogger Salam Pax, publishes a blog called Gee in Baghdad, and is on the Times’ Baghdad staff. (As was Salam himself, for a time.) Ahad’s blog, however, has not been updated since September.

As for Sachs, Okrent tells me by e-mail, “Susan says she personally does not refer to the blogs.”

A direct response from Sachs did not arrive by press time. Daniel Okrent did however put me in touch with acting foreign editor Alison Smale, for more background.

In the Times’ defense, Smale cites the bureau’s stretched resources on Dec. 10. While declining to speak for Sachs, she tells me by e-mail, “I can say that it is often, though not always, more effective to send an e-mail than to rely on people logging on to blogs. In general, of course, the point you make is valid — they offer important tips, if not always instantly verifiable facts.”

Still don’t buy it. There are only a dozen blogs in English in Iraq — easy to read and damned well worth reading to find out what real people there say.

The proper response should have been: Boy, we were stupid not to read those blogs. We learned our lesson. We will now. But no….

: My earlier posts here and here.

45 responses to “Zeyad’s camera”

  1. anne.elk Avatar

    Once again, you are to be congratulated for sending Zeyad that camera. That alone momentarily elevates you from the nattering nablogs of negativity.

  2. anne.elk Avatar

    Hey, speaking of Iraq, can you believe that liar Cheney is still pushing the completely discredited “trailers were for biological weapons” crap?
    Even David Kay admits they were not for bio weapons.
    So much for America the Credible.
    Are you okay with him being a heartbeat away from the Presidency?
    And how much does it trouble you that President Bush couldn’t look us straight in the eye and say the name, “Osama Bin Laden”. Here, Mr. Tough Guy, Mr. Credible Leader, Mr. Tough on Terrorism, couldn’t talk about the elephant in the room: how is our war on Al Qaeda doing?
    Honestly though, I admire your ability to believe.

  3. Dean Avatar

    Jeff,
    Was the NYT one of those papers that still uses holdovers from the Saddam regime as translators, points of contact, etc.?
    Somehow, that would seem to be a factor in their determination of what was and was not news-worthy, what was and was not worth even reading.
    Otherwise, I’d have thought that a news bureau would use EVERY available source of info to track down stories, if only to get scoops?

  4. Tonto Avatar

    Anne.Elk –
    You seriously overstate your case once again. Cheney, while insisting that the mobile units were intended for biowarfare use, did not claim that they had actually been so used. David Kay, while wishing that the Administration had not made such a big deal about the mobile units, did not deny that they could have been put to such use in the future. He pointed out that critical components, which could have shed light on the true purpose of the units, had been removed.

  5. anne.elk Avatar

    Hey Tonto, I didn’t say he claimed they had “been so used”. But read the article, watch the pbs special, listen to the Juan Williams interview, and then to the TOTN interview, google, and decide for yourself.
    Once again though, the LA Times:
    “Vice President Dick Cheney revived two controversial assertions about the war in Iraq Thursday, declaring there is “overwhelming evidence” that Saddam Hussein had a relationship with al-Qaida and that two trailers discovered after the war are proof of Iraq’s biological weapons programs.”
    revived means they were dead assertions.
    and Jay Rockefeller:
    “There’s nothing I have seen or read that backs (Cheney) up,” said Sen. John D. “Jay” Rockefeller IV, D-W.Va., the vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, who called Cheney’s remarks on radio Thursday “perplexing.”
    and David Kay can’t even say there was a mobile bio program at all, much less that these two trailers were a part of it:
    “That view is at odds with the judgment of the government’s lead weapons inspector, David Kay, who said in an interim report last October that “we have not yet been able to corroborate the existence of a mobile biological weapons production effort.”
    and even Fearless Leader:
    “After Cheney implied in a television interview last September that Iraq was involved in the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush was forced to acknowledge days later that the administration “had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved.””

  6. a.hashim Avatar

    Sometimes I’m amazed at how distant we have become in writing political accounts, theories, announcements, discussions, and viewpoints on the war in Iraq that we tend to forget the Dead and the Living Dead, foremost among whom are children. They never ask us to be brought up in an adult world where lies, deceits, ploys, murders, multilations, greed and dishonesty are served on dinner plates in State functions. I’m at once reminded of the Walrus and the Carpenter, the oyster babies all too young to understand the devious plans of the adult mind. If they had a choice, they’d rather not enter a world that has become a dangerous place to live – you’ll never know where and when the next bomb is going to explode. If adults are not able to settle their differences and in the process harm the young and innocent, then what hope is there for the children of today and the adults of tommorrow? The adults of today should take heed.

  7. BigFire Avatar

    Re: Dean
    Though it does give NYT the excuse that their folks on site are viewing Iraq through the Ba’athist tinted glass, and failed to see anything positive on the part of non-Ba’athist in general, and CPA in particular.

  8. Tonto Avatar

    Anne.Elk –
    You’re much too careful an observer to miss the holes in your argument. I’ve done much of the research you suggest and don’t (yet) see a blatant disagreement between Cheney and Kay. My guess is the fog will lift a bit over the next 4-6 months.

  9. Friends of Jarvis' Bandwidth Avatar
    Friends of Jarvis’ Bandwidth

    I though this was supposed to be a discussion of Iraqi blogs and NYTimes–an interesting subject–but I see this person anne.elk has once more hijacked the thread for her own purposes. What is interesting to me, having seen her screeds on several blogs, is that she has no idea how to write in a convincing manner that would change anyone’s mind about anything. You’d think she was a covert plant for the Republican National Committee.

  10. Tonto Avatar

    Friends –
    Yeh, but “she” is entertaining fer crisakes.

  11. Homer Robinson Avatar
    Homer Robinson

    I’m not suprised about the NY Times bureau in Baghdad. Pressure and prejudice can do that to a person. Lets hope they take the time to breathe, and take their professional blinders off, when it comes to iraqi blogs.(Oh, by the way. I think Anne.Elk is a bot.)

  12. Yehudit Avatar

    “Yeh, but “she” is entertaining fer crisakes.”
    No she isn’t. Not after you’ve scrolled past her sanctimonious finger-wagging on 10 different blogs.

  13. Doctor Slack Avatar
    Doctor Slack

    Not after you’ve scrolled past her sanctimonious finger-wagging on 10 different blogs.
    Once again, a Yehudit one-liner (well two-liner) carries the day. Sort of. Kinda. If you already agree with her and don’t really know anything about the topic or the commenter she claims to be offering an opinion on, that is.
    I take it Jeff is referencing the march at Furdoise Square here. The supporters appear to have been mostly ICP, on whom a useful brief review of the current relationship can be found here. Apparently ’bout as stable and reliable as al-Sistani’s support, for what that’s worth.

  14. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Anne Elk has no life or no blog.

  15. henry copeland Avatar

    Humorous evidence for Dan Okrent to use in convincing laggard NYT staff that blogs are relevant: Google “Dan Okrent.” :)

  16. brb Avatar

    “revived means they were dead assertions”
    So, if the LA Times says its a dead issue, that settles it? What a pantload. Do you really claim to think for yourself?

  17. Dr. Weevil Avatar

    One point that Jeff has already implied really needs to be rubbed in:
    The blogs they are not reading are in English. If there are hundreds of Arabic-language blogs in Iraq — and there may well be — it would take several full-time employees fluent in Iraqi Arabic to keep track of what they are saying, and such people are in short supply these days.
    But one moderately-competent monoglot employee could track all the Iraqi English-language blogs in about an hour a day and pass anything interesting up the chain of command — assuming that anyone in the chain of command were interested. And the employee wouldn’t even have to be in Iraq. For $30 a day and a free NYT subscription I’d do it for them.

  18. Miguel Octavio Avatar

    What real people say? Do you really think the NYT cares about that? My experience in Venezuela is that coverage is superficial and biased and simply depends on the reporter.

  19. PJF Avatar

    To be fair to the NYT (for no other reason than fairness) it must be said that hardly any other news outlets covered the marches. At least that was the case here in the UK – it wasn’t just the BBC and the Independent that ignored them; so did Sky News and the Times.

  20. Erik Avatar

    Wasn’t there lots of journalists present, shown on the photos, that did not report it?
    Also, what’s the point of having a Baghdad office if the people there don’t have a clue about what is going on?
    If people sitting in London, Seattle, and Hawaii knows about things that happens in Baghdad days in advance, but their Baghdad office never heard about it, then perhaps their Baghdad office should relocate to someplace where they actually get the news.
    There’s really no point in having a local office, if that local office knows nothing about what’s going on.
    I don’t buy their excuse, it’s their *job* to know about demonstrations. They should have someone scanning the blogs daily just in case there’s something there, just like they should listen to BBC, CNN, Fox, etc, just to see if they missed something…
    If they cant get a good internet connection, they should have someone in the States do it for them, and mail them excerpts once an hour or so, or call them if the mail dont work. This is *not* a technical problem, this is just bad journalism.

  21. traceman Avatar

    Jeff,
    The NYT times dropped the ball. I frequently visit the Iraqi blog sites. I myself along with others e-maided the NYT for we felt this very thing would happen.

  22. tim Avatar

    Checking the blogs would solve the NYT’s “stretched resources” problem. It worked for me; when I discovered that I lacked the resources to visit Baghdad to find out for myself about these anti-terror marches, I simply read Zeyad’s posts.

  23. dylan Avatar

    Regardless of the Times staff reading blogs, you would think that an event involving thousands of people including most of the major political groups in the area might draw the attention of an observant news staff.

  24. Harry Avatar

    You’d think so, but you’d be wrong. The NYT isn’t very interested in events that don’t provide an opportunity to embarrass the administration.

  25. Floyd McWilliams Avatar

    “And how much does it trouble you that President Bush couldn’t look us straight in the eye and say the name, “Osama Bin Laden”. Here, Mr. Tough Guy, Mr. Credible Leader, Mr. Tough on Terrorism, couldn’t talk about the elephant in the room: how is our war on Al Qaeda doing?”
    Uh … it’s going pretty well considering that Al Qaeda’s leadership is being systematically eliminated, and the country that once served as their power base is no longer in their control.
    Bin Laden is probably a smear on a cave wall. He’s had ample opportunity to show himself in a video with a copy of today’s newspaper. So he’s dead, or on the run and so scared that he wants to give no clues at all. Even if he is still alive, so what? His followers are dead or on the run. You act like Bin Laden has mystical superhuman powers, as if he could show up in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue tomorrow, wag his beard, and cause the White House to collapse.

  26. anne.elk Avatar

    Gosh Floyd, not only does the CIA say Bin Laden is still alive based on his tape a few weeks ago, but Bush told me during the SOTO that we needed the Patriot Act just because Al Qaeda is still very capable of wreaking havoc in the US. And that I do believe.
    “We can go forward with confidence and resolve or we can turn back to the dangerous illusion that terrorists are not plotting and outlaw regimes are no threat to us.”
    “Twenty-eight months have passed since September 11th, 2001 over two years without an attack on American soil, and it is tempting to believe that the danger is behind us. That hope is understandable, comforting and false. … The terrorists continue to plot against America and the civilized world….”
    “Inside the United States, where the war began, we must continue to give homeland security and law enforcement personnel every tool they need to defend us. And one of those essential tools is the Patriot Act”
    Bush mentioned Khalid Shaikh Mohammed by name, why not Osama Bin Laden?
    Where’s his leadership?

  27. Robert McClelland Avatar

    >The NYT times dropped the ball.
    No they didn’t. I think they snubbed the pro-warmongers as payback for all the nasty crap you guys have thrown at them over the past 2 years.
    Besides, the demonstrations in question were really pathetic anyways and were barely newsworthy.

  28. button Avatar

    It’s mostly about selling advertising space in the NY Times. Where are the Deep Pockets in Iraq to buy it?
    For this purpose they mostly rely on evergreen feature stories. News stories are a big hassle and add a lot of stress to one’s day.
    Who can they sell advertising space to as the result of publishing an article about 10,000 Iraqis marching?
    Why don’t you clue them in, Jeff.

  29. Dean Avatar

    Thank you, Rob’t McClelland, for the most succinct argument on how bias will destroy a news organization (if not downright arguing for licensing of the media).
    If a media organization is not going to do its job (provide news coverage of events) on the grounds of “payback,” then it has no business being there.
    So, if Candidate X were to be insulting towards a paper, that would justify the paper not covering Candidate X? Then, I take it, if corporation Y were to provide a newspaper w/ add’l funding, that would justify beneficial coverage of Corporation Y?
    You certainly sound like you’re justifying something, but a news organization, it ain’t.

  30. Robert McClelland Avatar

    >If a media organization is not going to do its job (provide news coverage of events) on the grounds of “payback,” then it has no business being there.
    Haven’t you ever heard the expression, “you reap what you sow”? I’m just speculating of course, but it seems to me that the major news media knew of this rally and knew how much the pro-war side wanted it covered. So they took the opportunity to fire back at all those who have been barraging them with constant, unending criticism for the past two years, but they did so on an issue that was of minor importance except to the pro-war side.
    Even if my speculations are true though, you are simply reading too much into it. The media is not under any obligation to report on an event just because some people think it’s important.

  31. Doctor Slack Avatar
    Doctor Slack

    I can’t agree with Robert McClelland. The NYT’s supposed “bias” is vastly overplayed — an artefact of the fact that people are likely to seize on stories that don’t work to their advantage as “biased” without noticing the quantity of coverage that runs in their favour. (Another sign of this is the near-pathological hatred some pro-wars, apparently including Jeff, seem to have for the Beeb, which was arguably just as favourable to the Coalition in its war coverage as any American network.)
    I also doubt the NYT deliberately “snubbed” coverage of the anti-terrorism rally, any more than they “snubbed” the anti-occupation rally that took place the same day and also wasn’t covered. In fact, I’d expect there are any number of marches and demonstrations that don’t get covered in Iraq. Reading nasty motivations into this just doesn’t hold water for me.
    Moreover, the “anti-terrorism demonstration” doesn’t look like quite the sea change some outraged bloggers would have us believe. From the Rocky Mountain News story that Glenn Reynolds linked to came this somewhat over-the-top quote from one of the Iraqis: “We thought getting rid of the regime would make things fine. But now we see the ex-regime was more merciful than those who govern us now.” (Via the link I provided up-thread.) The demonstration was non-bad news, but that doesn’t necessarily mean it was suppressed Good News.

  32. Doctor Slack Avatar
    Doctor Slack

    The media is not under any obligation to report on an event just because some people think it’s important.
    However, if the media wants to be taken seriously, it certainly needs to be aware of and reporting major events. I doubt whether the Furdoise March was quite such an event, but if it was, people would certainly be justified in calling out news outlets that ignored it. In much the same way as they were justified in calling out papers and networks that tried gamely to ignore and downplay antiwar protests before the invasion.

  33. Robert McClelland Avatar

    >However, if the media wants to be taken seriously, it certainly needs to be aware of and reporting major events.
    The major media largely ignored the World Social Forum in Mumbai. So where are the screams of media bias? That was certainly a major event while the pathetic demonstration in Iraq was barely even newsworthy.

  34. Doctor Slack Avatar
    Doctor Slack

    The major media largely ignored the World Social Forum in Mumbai. So where are the screams of media bias?
    Exactly. Now that’s a perfectly valid question.

  35. anne.elk Avatar



    Ex-Arms Hunter Kay Says No WMD Stockpiles in Iraq

    David Kay stepped down as leader of the U.S. hunt for banned weapons in Iraq (news – web sites) on Friday and said he did not believe the country had any large stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons.
    In a direct challenge to the Bush administration, which says its invasion of Iraq was justified by the presence of illicit arms, Kay told Reuters in a telephone interview he had concluded there were no Iraqi stockpiles to be found.
    “I don’t think they existed,” Kay said. “What everyone was talking about is stockpiles produced after the end of the last (1991) Gulf War (news – web sites), and I don’t think there was a large-scale production program in the nineties,” he said.

    So were the trailers found in 2003 used for biological weapons of mass destruction? David Kay says “no”.

  36. Harry Avatar

    You were right, Homer. “Anne.Elk” has got to be a bot. Anybody have a clue as to the source of the code? I’d love to play with a copy.

  37. Reid Avatar

    Hey, Anne. Why don’t you get your own damn blog, and have enough respect for the ones you read to keep your comments on the topic of the entry.
    In this case, it was Zeyad, and the lack of media coverage of the protest. Not David Kay or the CIA or anything else. Yet buy Comment Number Two in this 36 comment thread, you’ve gone off topic.
    And stayed there.
    It’s rude.

  38. Tonto Avatar

    Harry –
    Anne.Elk a bot? Perhaps, but consider that “she” might be an e-pseudonym for Charles.Moose. Or Gary.Hart. Peter.Buck?

  39. button Avatar

    Elke is a German name. So maybe it’s someone from the Chaos Computer Club in Germany.
    I’m not good at this– last time I tried to delve into a suspicious surfer it was the Jim Treacher personna. The one with the obsession about fat Americans. The bedbug. Sorry, I must be having a semi-senior moment.
    Jeff, I heard you on the radio. I’m not sure I understood all that. Something about an echo chamber.

  40. Homer Robinson Avatar
    Homer Robinson

    All I know Harry, is that “Anne.Elk” eats up Jeff’s bandwith with these silly diatribes. For every short comment which seems to be real. There’s these, well you know what they are. I wish I could understand why people would want to abuse what jeff is offering here, I can’t. It makes no sense.

  41. Dean Avatar

    She also pops up regularly at Roger L. Simon’s blog.
    More amusingly, she has taken to accusing Simon of trolling. On his own blog. What’s the old joke about chutzpah, the one about the kid pleading for leniency on the basis that he’s an orphan?
    I’d say “anne” has chutzpah in spades….

  42. anne.elk Avatar

    Dean,
    There is nothing about an orphan pleading for leniency that would suggest chutzpah, just the opposite in fact, right?
    You may wish to use google before attempting jokes in a language that you don’t understand. That way, you’ll actually get the joke right and won’t seem, to quote FARK, like such a dumb*ss.

  43. button Avatar

    Anne Elke: You’re not making any sense.
    So, you’re an “Eastie,” right? You are from East Germany, yes?
    Say hello to Marcus Wolf :-)
    Without a wall, it is easy to feel lost and disoriented.

  44. John Anderson Avatar
    John Anderson

    Z himself learned of it from local news. Does the Times not own a radio? Or eat and drink outside the Green Zone? Does [roto-]Reuters? Associated Press? And Z also noted ther were people from the media there, yet there was nothing anywhere.
    Well, almost anywhere. One blogger did find a stoty on the Reuters site, but it was not distributed to their subscribing news outlets – strictly their own site.

  45. Puce Avatar

    NOTA BEBUG FATAS!!!!!!!