Howard Dean, media meddler

Howard Dean, media meddler
: Howard Dean says he’d “break up” media companies. This is the worst of political pandering: Big media companies have been made into the boogeymen du jour and so he announces he’ll go after them. No legal basis. No constitutional justification. Just because they’re there.

Drudge gives us a pretty damned scary transcript of Dean’s appearance on the Chris Matthews show:

“The essence of capitalism, which the right-wing never understands — it always baffles me — is, you got to have some rules,” Dean explained to Matthews and students at Harvard.

MATTHEWS: Well, would you break up GE?

(APPLAUSE)

DEAN: I can`t — you…

MATTHEWS: GE just buys Universal. Would you do something there about that? Would you stop that from happening?

DEAN: You can`t say — you can`t ask me right now and get an answer, would I break up X corp…

MATTHEWS: We`ve got to do it now, because now is the only chance we can ask you, because, once you are in, we have got to live with you.

(LAUGHTER)

DEAN: No.

MATTHEWS: So, if you are going to do it, you have got to tell us now.

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Are you going to break up the giant media enterprises in this country?

DEAN: Yes, we`re going to break up giant media enterprises. That doesn`t mean we`re going to break up all of GE.

What we`re going to do is say that media enterprises can`t be as big as they are today. I don`t think we actually have to break them up, which Teddy Roosevelt had to do with the leftovers from the McKinley administration.

Dean explained how “11 companies in this country control 90 percent of what ordinary people are able to read and watch on their television. That`s wrong. We need to have a wide variety of opinions in every community. We don`t have that because of Michael Powell and what George Bush has tried to do to the FCC.”

Matthews continued:

“Would you break up Fox?”

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: I`m serious.

DEAN: I`m keeping a…

MATTHEWS: Would you break it up? Rupert Murdoch has “The Weekly Standard.” It has got a lot of other interests. It has got “The New York Post.” Would you break it up?

DEAN: On ideological grounds, absolutely yes, but…

(LAUGHTER)

MATTHEWS: No, seriously. As a public policy, would you bring industrial policy to bear and break up these conglomerations of power?

DEAN: I don`t want to answer whether I would break up Fox or not, because, obviously

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: Well, how about large media enterprises?

DEAN: Let me — yes, let me get…

(LAUGHTER)

DEAN: The answer to that is yes.

I would say that there is too much penetration by single corporations in media markets all over this country. We need locally-owned radio stations. There are only two or three radio stations left in the state of Vermont where you can get local news anymore. The rest of it is read and ripped from the AP.

MATTHEWS: So what are you going to do about it? You`re going to be president of the United States, what are you going to do?

DEAN: What I`m going to do is appoint people to the FCC that believe democracy depends on getting information from all portions of the political spectrum, not just one.

Translation: He’s going to meddle in news. He’s going to decree who can and can’t own media outlets. He’s going to break up companies for sport and political pandering. He’s not concerned with the First Amendment. He’s not concerned with the realities of the media business today (if you don’t allow some level of consolidation, then weak outlets will die).

Yes, I work in big media. But I don’t own it. I just work in it because I love news and media and I cherish the lack of government involvement in media in this country; I cherish our freedom of speech; I am a First Amendment absolutist. I do not want to see government meddling in our free speech.

This isn’t Europe, Howard. Not yet, anyway.

: Full transcript here. Drudge mixes up the order but gets the quotes.

: LGF finds more howlers from the same interview, including this:

DEAN: Iran is a more complex problem because the problem support as clearly verifiable as it is in North Korea. Also, we have less-fewer levers much the key, I believe, to Iran is pressure through the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union is supplying much of the equipment that Iran, I believe, most likely is using to set itself along the path of developing nuclear weapons. We need to use that leverage with the Soviet Union and it may require us to buying the equipment the Soviet Union was ultimately going to sell to Iran to prevent Iran from them developing nuclear weapons. That is also a country that must not be allowed to develop nuclear weapons much the key to all this is foresight. Let

47 responses to “Howard Dean, media meddler”

  1. Ted Barlow Avatar

    Maybe I’m confused. But the FCC has a limit on the number of stations, newspapers, etc. that one entity can own in one market.
    Recently, the FCC, under Michael Powell, loosened the regulations a little, allowing for more consolidation. Under the new rules, a single company could own TV stations that reach up to 45% of the national market, an increase from the old 35% cap. It lofted the ban on a company’s owning both a newspaper and a TV station in the same market.
    This was met with widespread disapproval. Groups as disparate as the National Organization for Women and the National Rifle Association are decrying the move by the FCC. The relevant House committee voted 40-25 to reverse part of that decision, although no formal action has been taken. Bush has said that he would veto any bill overturning it.
    If I’m reading Dean correctly, he’s talking about taking action in line with the House subcommittee, tightening up the ownership rules again.
    He can be plausibly accused of phrasing his plan in an overly partisan way. But then I read this:
    “He’s going to decree who can and can’t own media outlets. He’s going to break up companies for sport and political pandering. He’s not concerned with the First Amendment.”
    Am I missing something, or is this way, way over the top? Do you mean to say that the FCC, before Michael Powell, was “not concerned about the First Amendment”? Did the old FCC rules “break up companies for sport and political pandering”? I don’t think so.

  2. Lola Avatar

    He sure is getting good at tapdancing, isn’t he?

  3. V from VJ Avatar

    Ted Barlow is right. I vote ‘Way over the top’.

  4. Dimmy Karras Avatar

    Another vote for Ted Barlow. Dean is making a more reasonable, mainstream case than you give him credit for. He’s just saying his administration will be more skeptical of media consolidation than the current one, which is something a lot of people would like to see.
    Don’t get carried away by the “gotcha!” questioning technique of Chris Matthews either, which really doesn’t heighten the discourse. The man is allergic to nuance.

  5. Media Minder Avatar

    I love Dean’s clueless “read and ripped from the AP” part. The man clearly has no knowledge of how the AP works. It’s a non-profit collective that gets information from media sources all over the place and re-packages it for easier use. The “read and ripped” Vermont news Dean complains about is culled from every significant news source in that state, and is much more comprehensive than what an independent news operation without tremendous financial resources would be able to put together.

  6. Kevin Avatar

    I think this is just another reason why Dean is a Bush plant, any serious minded person couldn’t possibly vote for this man.
    He’s already ahown to be ignorant of issues about our national security, he’s an admitted draft avoider, he substitutes anger for reasoned policy and he’s got some sort of albatross he’s hiding in his background by not opening his records.
    This man is scarier than Bill Clinton

  7. hey Avatar

    right.. “break up big media entreprises” obviously means “reinstate the previous caps that limited the owned reach to 35% and prohibited owning two forms of media in one town”
    you’re so insightful ted, that you can tell what palatable thing the candidate actually means when he says “we’re not going to break up all of GE” and says that he’s going after fox… it really means he just prefers a few percentage points less in share… cause that’s why we hate fox.. it owns too many over the air stations, rather than for owning a cable channel that is rapidly gaining in share and for owning a paper
    uh huh..
    hmmm what’s that smell??? it just might be BS coming from ted

  8. Bowling for Howard Dean Avatar

    Wahoo! look like it is time for us Republicans to donate to Howard Dean, again!
    best money I have ever spent, well that and the money we gave to the green Party in Augut of 2000

  9. Kurt Avatar

    If some of the previous comments are right, and Dean is only calling for the FCC to tighten up ownership rules a bit, he has a funny way of expressing himself. “Yes, we are going to break up giant media enterprises” sounds somewhat more serious to me, much like his recent calls for “re-regulation”. Since he is such a straight-talking guy, we should be able to take what he says literally. Jeff’s comments are doing just that.

  10. Martin Devon Avatar

    Jeff,
    The transcript doesn’t do the interview justice — you had to see the body language to get the full effect. Dean looked like he was just dying to break up Fox News.
    But his answers on the war on terror were much scarier. I don’t care much for the Dems running, but if Edwards/Lieberman/Gephardt or even Kerry were elected the country would muddle through it somehow. The Hardball interview left me convinced that a Dean presidency would be a disaster of Carterian proportions.

  11. Andrea Harris Avatar

    Hush! Dr. Dean knows what’s best! Don’t ask what’s in the pill, just take it! Obey… obey…

  12. PhotoDude Avatar

    Indeed, look at the wonderous innovations Clear Channel has brought to the radio industry since that corporation bought up 40% of the major market stations in the US.
    We need *more* Clear Channels.
    No, wait…
    We need *less* Clear Channels. Just one of them, really. Because lots of them would defeat the point. Whatever that is.
    Jeff, I understand your concern with Mr. Loose Lips, but if you honestly believe that mammoth media conglomeration is a Good Thing, you’ve lost me. You usually sing about the need for *diversity* in weblogs, and how they open up the playing field with The Big Guys.
    Why do you see the same sort of diversity as a threat in the media world? No, I don’t think GE needs to be broken up, or Fox, but…
    I’ve watched what Clear Channel has done within their industry, and perhaps they aren’t typical, but they are a prime example of how media deregulation can run amuck to the great detriment of the people it supposedly “serves.”

  13. triticale Avatar
    triticale

    Here in Milwaukee Clear Channel has a country-flavored pop music station, a rock-flavored pop music station and a conservative flavored pop talk station. We also have a station whose country playlist includes Jim Reeves and Charlie Pride, a station whose rock playlist includes Dropkick Murphy and Reverand Horton Heat, and a station whose local conservative local talk shows has had genuine impact on local elections. I don’t fear Clear Channel; in fact I expect them to run into the diseconomies of scale and dry up.

  14. David Paglia Avatar
    David Paglia

    Folks, I think you are missing the point: A major Presidential candidate has just announced that, if he was President, he would meddle with Free Speech to an unprecedented level; including doing some score-settling with a network that he views as “opposing” him. Does ANYONE out there think that this is a good thing?

  15. BigFire Avatar

    Re: David Paglia
    Well, from the Dean’s defender, it’s definately a good thing if the network is Fox News. It’s always a good thing to keep your opponent down, no matter the cost.

  16. Oliver Avatar

    Jeff, you’re beyond wrong on this one. You’re super-wrong.
    More here.

  17. Toxic Avatar

    Blogs are one reason that I don’t worry about big media.
    That, and for the fact that for all the complaining I hear about big media, I’ve yet to hear of a specific case of a coporation burying a story or doing anything that would justify those fears.
    Except that Citizen Kane guy, I guess. Course, manipulating his newspapers was a big part of his downfall, so whaddya know.

  18. Cedar Pundit Avatar

    Howard Dean may be a kook and a loose cannon, but one thing he said during this exchange made sense – and that’s allowing more local stations, probably via lower-power and micro-power (

  19. Sam Kington Avatar

    Let’s hear it for Europe. The UK has fewer than 60 million people, five national broadsheet papers (Telegraph, Times, Guardian, Independent, Financial Times), five tabloid papers (Mail, Express, Sun, Mirror, Star) and a couple of news weekly magazines (Economist, Spectator). France has roughly the same population, three major national “serious” papers (Le Figaro, Le Monde, Lib

  20. Vero Avatar

    I don’t fret it for a second as Dean won’t be President anyway

  21. HH Avatar

    Yeah, if Bush asserted on the campaign trail that he was salivating to break up the NY Times Co., I’m sure the left would call that completely reasonable.

  22. Oliver Avatar

    Actually, if the NY Times company had the tentacles of other media conglomerates, I would applaud Bush for advocating their breakup.
    Of course, knowing him he’d be shucking and jiving for their campaign donations.

  23. Shark Avatar

    Actually, if the NY Times company had the tentacles of other media conglomerates, I would applaud Bush for advocating their breakup
    Well then break up the Times Oliver. The Times has ties to at least one other major Northeastern Newspaper, and I believe some cable ties.

  24. Captain Ed Avatar

    I have no problem with a candidate saying that he supports a policy of scaling back ownership regulations and promising to nominate FCC commissioners to follow that policy. That is very different from saying that he would take a sledgehammer to corporations that have broken no laws, and then very disingenuously saying that he had no plan or targets in mind. It’s either lying or its pandering, and in either case it’s unnerving.
    Jeff is very much correct in his reaction to that kind of statement, and the fact that major media outlets haven’t reacted in any manner is curious indeed, seeing how much they stand to lose.

  25. Oliver Avatar

    AFAIK, the Times owns the BoGlobe which is not a problem. Now, if they want to buy the BosHerald, and all the tv stations in town – I’ll be the first to advocate their breakup. That’s the scenario the Bush folks are in favor of. Its Pravda via crony capitalism.

  26. naz Avatar

    2 Sam Kington:
    Dunno about NYC, but here in Chicago we have 2 major newspapers: the Tribune and the Sun-Times, a conservative newspaper and a liberal one.
    Competition here is tough, but fair. Howard Dean thinks the government has the right to meddle into this free media market of ideas. He shouldn’t be the next president.

  27. SharpShooter Avatar

    “That can’t be healthy” (S.Kington)
    IF those metropolitan areas ONLY had access to each their own leading print-paper… BUT in fact WaPost goes to NewYork, NYTimes is shipped in great number to WashDC, Chicago, Houston, St Louis, Kansas City, LA and Seattle. And points inbetween. As is the WaPost. And several dozen OTHER papers, periodicals, weeklys and mags…
    Seems quite healthy, all in all. (Though I’m not at all eager to read the NYTimes!)

  28. Charlie Avatar

    I think SharpShooter has a good point: the UK has a half-dozen national papers and some good local ones; France has a half-dozen national papers and a few good local ones; Germany has a few good national papers (maybe 4 — Frankfurter Allegemeine, Suddeutscher Zeitung, Die Welt, and I should be able to think of another one but can’t) and some good more local ones; and the US has a half-dozen national papers, and some good local ones.

  29. timekeeper Avatar

    RE: National papers in US vs. European countries
    Sam, while it is true that the US doesn’t have “national” papers in the sense of the “big five” British papers, it is also a fact that the US is 36 times the size of Great Britain, before we add Alaska to the equation. Our regional papers have the same coverage as your national papers, and we have dozens of them. The Miami Herald (to pull one example of which I am familiar) has “localized” editions available all over the state of Florida, plus international editions in the Caribbean, Latin America and Mexico. Any good newsstand in the US will have a dozen or more out-of-area newspapers.

  30. Bill Quick Avatar

    This Dean stuff is hilarious. Imagine what he’ll start spouting when the pressure really begins to grind.
    No wonder Karl Rove is rooting for Dean to be the Democratic nominee. I am, too!

  31. Mohammad Avatar

    What do you mean “this isn’t Europe, not yet”? Do you mean the US is more progressive than Europe in media and freedom of speech? If so, your statement could be a very funny joke.

  32. Steve Kling Avatar
    Steve Kling

    What does the First Amendment have to do with this? Press freedoms are guaranteed by the Second Amendment. Corporate rights have NEVER been guaranteed by the Constitution and are erroneously based on the 1886 decision Santa Clara County vs. Southern Pacific Railroad.
    The rights of the corporate “person” are not protected under true legal precedence nor should they ever be.
    Humans have the Bill of Rights. Corporate media firms have whatever rights we decide to let them have…and they have too many.
    Educate yourselves folks, please. The American Revolution was fought because of too much British corporate influence. And it was subsequently lost 100 years later thanks to a Supreme Court with 3 former railroad lawyers presiding over it.
    Remember, its those same corporations clamouring for those same 1st Amendment protections that tried to override the nationally mandated Do Not Call list to invade your homes.
    GO HUMAN, NOT CORPORATE!

  33. xian Avatar

    All hail the magickal free market, which runs frictionlessly without ever any regulation or meddling from the alien government entity that oppresses our invisible hands!

  34. Gil Scott-Heron Avatar
    Gil Scott-Heron

    The revolution will not be televised…

  35. jack Avatar

    Ah, ‘serious’ newspapers
    What a great word. That allows you to just ignore The NY Daily News, Newsday, The WSJ, The SI Advance and even the Post simply because they don’t fit your idea of ‘serious’–and that listing doesn’t include all the alternative media that is rampant in New York
    And that’s just one city…
    But there’s another point–‘national’ newspapers. We’re not big on them so that counts against our media proliferation. Of course we do have national news programs out the wazoo. CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, CNBC, FOX and god knows how many others while the UK has what? The BBC. One. Single
    Get real, Sam

  36. jack Avatar

    Steve, it’s the First Amendment that guarantees freedom of the press, the Second is that ‘right to arm bears’ one.
    Try to keep them straight when you’re ragging someone about their point–makes you look like you know what you’re talkin’ about.
    And, back to my other topic–besides all of our indigenous papers, most cities have quite a few newsagents that carry all those euro ones…

  37. John Ettorre Avatar

    Let me get this straight, Jeff: Dean is “pandering” when talking about the dangers to democracy posed by media consolidation? I suppose the charitable response is that you’re only saying this to cover your ass in your day job, where you work for one of these giant octopuses. But the scarier prospect is that you actually believe that, which would mean that you’re little more than a right-wing hack following in the footsteps of Andrew Sullivan. Which I can’t believe. It seems to be at war with most of what you’ve written elsewhere…

  38. hey Avatar

    uk newspaper market vs american
    so in the uk, the total pop is 60 ish M there is one major city (london) and people from all across england (and some of wales) commute in
    the national papers don’t have quite as much reach into those areas not tied into london (i.e. scotland, far wales, northern ireland)
    this is essentially the picture of the NYC market, including philly and boston… similar ish population, but that the inquirer and the globe don’t have as much pull as the guardian does (mainly because the globe is owned by nyt and neither is very different from nyt in outlook, unlike situation in uk)
    now for the other 240M people… i’m lead to believe that dallas morning news has decent distribution, as does the denver post, la times, washington post, miami herald in their respective areas, that they are actually delivered widely (esp wapo and lat) across the nation.. and we do have wsj…
    also nice to see the anti-coporatists show up… thank you for proving once again that you are ignorant of the reasons behind the existence of corporations and how they make everything you use in your daily life possible (for life without corporations, go back to mid 1800s). there are extremely necessary reasons why corporations are considered to be people, but the main reason is that a corporation is simply a voluntary association of people who are pooling their labour, capital, and knowledge for a common purpose. Why should people acting as a group lose the freedoms they enjoy as individuals?
    but our lovely commentator probably actually wants to be a hunter gatherer or a subsistence farmer… go back to the commune and stop using the products of evil corporations (electricity, food from beyond 5 miles, gasoline, natural gas, silicon chips, plastic……….)
    I can’t believe howard dean isn’t just a figment of karl’s imagination… mop mop mopping heaven’s floor…. with howie!

  39. Floyd McWilliams Avatar

    “What do you mean “this isn’t Europe, not yet”? Do you mean the US is more progressive than Europe in media and freedom of speech? If so, your statement could be a very funny joke.”
    Really, Mohammed?
    Then why is it that books are banned in Europe but not America?
    “In the 1980s, Great Britain banned “Spy Catcher,” by Peter Wright … On Jan. 21, 1996, France banned “Le Grand Secret,” a book by Francois Mitterrand’s doctor alleging that the French president, who died Jan. 8 of prostate cancer, ordered his illness concealed from the public for 11 years.”
    A few weeks ago, “controversy centred on claims that Prince Charles was involved in a sexual incident with a royal servant provoked accusations of censorship today after European newspapers reporting the allegations were prevented from delivering to news stands across Britain.”
    In America, books are not banned and newspapers are not prevented from reporting scandals.

  40. HH Avatar

    Yes and after he was done with the NYT, Bush would break up ABC/Disney, only for its news division. And then he would break up CBS/Viacom, again only for the news. Then AOL Time Warner, but only because of CNN. Followed by Tribune, for the LA Times and the Washington Post company (along with Newsweek) for good measure. I’m sure the left would really applaud him then.

  41. HH Avatar

    Yes and after he was done with the NYT, Bush would break up ABC/Disney, only for its news division. And then he would break up CBS/Viacom, again only for the news. Then AOL Time Warner, but only because of CNN and Time. Followed by Tribune, for the LA Times and the Washington Post company (along with Newsweek) for good measure. I’m sure the left would really applaud him then.

  42. beets Avatar

    Late to this post, yet to read the comments, but:
    DEAN: On ideological grounds, absolutely yes, but…
    The world has a Vladimir Putin. Does it need another?

  43. Mohammad Avatar

    Floyd, If there are a few examples of sensorship in Europe, in the US, the media (like TV stations) suddenly take a rather conservative approach when republicans are in power and a rather liberal approach when there is a democratic party in power. European media have been traditionally full of criticism against any government in power. But in the US 90% of the media always supports governmental policies in name of patriotism no matter how wrong these policies are. Take, for example, the war on Iraq. Is the actual critisicm in the US media representative of all those that oppose these policies? I really doubt it.

  44. Anthony Avatar

    Jeff, I don’t see why you are taking what Dean said as a bad thing. He’s absolutely right about big media conglomerations limiting the variety of news people receive in their homes, specifically via television. Something does need to be done and it sounds like Dean has a plan.
    I don’t hear Bush saying anything about the topic at all, but that’s a whole other story.

  45. Jack Tanner Avatar
    Jack Tanner

    Dean’s solution to losing the battle of ideas is to throw out all the competition. The news media’s too corporate so he’ll just break them up. Starting with Fox, Clear Channel and Dow Jones. But like Vero said it’s not like he’s going to be president anyway.

  46. Dave B Avatar

    I think what some are missing is what was in the original blog, and has occured to me also previous to reading this. What is the theory of this sort of divestiture thought? Don’t quote the 1st amendment, consider all the intervening ruling which make up the body of law which support political speech and has some control over commercial speech. Howard Dean must be taken seriously as a presidential candidate, and he should be asked “Just what is the legal theory behind this statement?” What does he really propose to do? Limit station ownership? Okay, we can live with that. Break up ownership of networks? (GE-NBC, Disney-ABC, Viacom-CBS, for starters). On this and many other issues, Dean must be asked and re-asked serious questions. If he is the intellectual juggernaut that some portray him as, he should eventually come up with some real answers.

  47. Harry Avatar

    Mohammed,
    That’s absolute bullshit.