Dear Andrew Sullivan,

Dear Andrew Sullivan,
: Your church is causing you pain and conflict as you decide whether you can continue to belong to an institution that now calls you, God’s child, evil for your love. Today, you wrote:

…this debate is not an abstract one for me or for many others. Our very integrity as human beings and equality as citizens is being weighed in the balance by others with enormous power over us…. It’s hard to describe the agony gay Catholics are now in; and I’m facing a pretty major life-decision. In this, you need quiet to listen to God and pray sincerely for his help in the struggle to maintain a good conscience and lead a moral life.

When the Pope declared homosexuality “evil,” you wrote:

Leaving the sacraments would be a huge blow to the soul; but the pope just called the love I have for my boyfriend “evil.” That’s a word he couldn’t bring himself to use about Saddam Hussein. How can I recognize what I know to be true with what the Pope has just said? I cannot. It doesn’t leave many options but departure.

: I would leave. I left my church, the Presbyterian, over this same issue because I did not want to raise my children in an atmosphere of hate and bigotry against gays, an atmosphere in which mere men put themselves in a position of judgment over their fellow man and thus in a position over God. It was hard to do; my own sister is a Presbyterian pastor and she has fought this issue bravely, from the inside. So far, she and her allies have lost but they keep fighting.

I decided not to fight. I left.

: Rossi just wrote about this on her web site. It’s not an abstract issue for her, either.

She was inspired by the Hasidic Rebel, who wrote his creed on his weblog:

:I believed that distinctions between good and evil and between right and wrong were within each human’s conscience if they are truly sought out. And I believed that no ideology’s truth can be so wholly absolute as to require its adherents to compel everyone else to join.

Rossi has written about her own jarring path to and from and to Judaism and here she says that she has gained insight from friends who had left the Jehovah’s Witnesses. One of them preaches to other Witnesses:

he left a recent sermon for me to read

and the part that got me

was where he said any religion that

forces one to lose ones individuality

is wrong

we are all different from one another

different dreams

different wants

we can not be shoved into one mind

: Today, the Episcopalians are voting on whether to allow a gay clergyman to become a bishop. If he is successful, many Anglicans from around the world have warned of a schism in the American church and a split from the worldwide church.

So we have gay Catholics deciding whether to leave the Catholic church over the condemnation of gays.

We have straight anti-gay Episcopalians deciding whether to leave the Episcopal church over the acceptance of a gay.

We have many other denominations locked in battle over the issue.

I fear we will look back in a generation and mark both splits in churches and the accelerated decline of church membership and belief to this time and this issue.

So be it.

: Maybe this won’t happen. Women in the clergy (a big issue for the Episcopalians that I covered as a reporter just a generation ago) did not break up churches or implode the faiths.

But this is different; this is deeper; nobody called women evil for being women. This is about the rightful claim to morality and humanity.

I know that I recently sermonized about the need for the major faiths that are frequently at war — Jewish, Christian, Muslim — to recognize their shared heritage from Abraham and God so that we become less alien, so we cannot continue to kill each other. I argue that we need to inch closer to each other. But I don’t argue for one big faith. Rossi’s and the Hasidic Rebel are right: We cannot all be shoved into one mind.

So here, I think that splitting off is, if not good, at least necessary. It is a matter of conscience. I could not continue to support the Presbyterian Church when it would refuse gays ordination. I wish the fight had not continued within. I wish we who fought this issue had left as a group. Instead, I had to leave alone.

: My only advice — and I’ll admit that it’s advice from the reform tradition — is that your relationship to your church can end but your relationship with your faith or with God need not.

I left the church in which I was raised and joined a small Congregational church where no one is making this an issue, where I am confident that no one would be allowed to make this an issue. My parents, I’m proud to say, did likewise.

Now, five years later, I can say that the anger fades. The disappointment fades. The faith need not.

So, Andrew, I would not pretend to tell you what to do and I would never proselytize you or anyone to another denomination. All I can say is what I did and what I would do: I would leave the church, but stay with God.

13 responses to “Dear Andrew Sullivan,”

  1. Dann Avatar

    Jeff,
    By necessity, churches deal with the possible and the permissible. Primarily espousing that everything is possible with God and that humanity ought to limit itself to a permissible range of activities.
    IMO, some would prefer to espouse that everything is possible with humanity and that God out to be limited to a permissible range of commentary.
    As with everything surrounding this issue, we are mistaking civic purposes for religious ones. Government keeps tracks of marriages, births, etc. for reasons of population tracking, taxation, etc. Thus preventing gay couples from acquiring a legal/civic standing based on religious reasons is questionable at best.
    Likewise, applying a secular perspective to biblically considered prohibitions is also questionable.
    Confusing religious functions with civic/secular ones weakens both, IMCCO.

  2. Steve Avatar

    God would love the sinner but condemn the sin. Same as he would liars, adulterers, covetors, murderers, and thieves. What people do in their own homes is their business, it’s between them and God. But to ask leaders in the church to bless a sinful lifestyle is nonsense. By definition, they cannot. If they did they would not be teaching the word of God, but the word of “modern society”.

  3. Catherine Avatar
    Catherine

    I left the Catholic church for the Episcopal church because it is, in my experience, so welcoming to everyone including gays. We have openly gay priests. They don’t talk about it, but they don’t hide it either. It just is. We have female priests, married and unmarried, gay and it doesn’t matter. I really like the fact that the priests are married with families. Our congregation is bursting at the seams. What matters is the commitment to loving one’s neighbor. So I am surprised at all of the controversy. I also don’t think it will cause a schism as people think.
    I realize that there is a large conservative push from incredible growth in the African church, but what makes the Episcopalian church a better place for me than the Catholic church is the fact that the church is run from the pews up, not the pope down. That’s why you can have a stuffy “high church” that follows old “Rite I” and places that are more “kumbaya.” Congregations pick their priests and in a way, their bishops. They aren’t appointed. I see this story as bringing out something for discussion with the church hierarchy that is accepted by most members already.
    On the other hand, while people might belong to one church or another, I think individual congregations worshiping as they wish is the future. I see many non-diocese Catholic congregations cropping up. They are also bursting at the seams.

  4. Lola Avatar

    Sadly, this will result in yet more “little popes”. Part of the reasons why I converted to the Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church (or, Eastern Orthodox [and add an ethnic group such as Russian or Greek on]). yes, I know there are several Orthodox “jurisdictions”, but there will come one day when we will have unity under Patriarch of America.

  5. Lola Avatar

    And by the way, that line ” One Holy, Catholic and Apostolic” is part of the Nicene Creed, which we affirm at every Divine Liturgy. Creed on my website at http://www.lolajl.net/nicene.html.

  6. Paladin Avatar

    Praise be to the Church of the Holy Whatever.

  7. rossi Avatar

    jeff what a lovely post thank you so much
    and thanks for your link to myself and to the rebel
    this is a time when religion is really hitting the wall
    we have seen the worst of the catholic church
    of late in the many cases of child abuse and the churches sweeping under the carpet
    that have been coming up in the news in the last year or so
    we have seen the worst of terror from moslem fundamentalists killing, killing and more killing
    we have seen the bloody battles that never end
    tearing about the land of israel
    and one fears that in the dust
    no one and nothing will be left
    we have seen the christian right
    slowly inbed itself into this government
    we are watching the gay rights movement
    in its last hurrah
    the civil rights movement came
    saw
    and thru many years of blood and pain
    conquered
    the gay rights movement is now up at bat
    and although america loves to watch us on Tv
    AND ROSIE AND ELLEN CAME OUT
    although the ridiculous sodomy laws were over-turned and canada who we have free trade with and call ally, peer and neighbor
    is making gay marriage legal
    even with all of this
    this country
    is in an outrage
    torn to shreds in horror
    that gay people might be allowed to simply marry the one they love
    and religion is in the heart of all of this
    its all so complex
    so sad
    so enfuriating
    but in the end
    i hope
    i pray
    that we will all go home to our own faith
    our own god
    our own goodness
    and let basic human rights
    to vote
    to marry
    to live
    to be free
    to be equal
    be given to all americans
    gay, straight
    black,
    white
    moslem
    christian
    jewish
    fat
    thin
    amen

  8. hey Avatar

    well, actually the anglicans have schismed over the woman priest thing.. just not very many (its the traditional ones in the west.. seems like the african churches just kind of ignore that ruling)

  9. Mitch H. Avatar
    Mitch H.

    Jeff, I think that we can’t compare Protestant pain over schism with the pain that Catholics experience when contemplating the abandonment of the Church. Those of us that live (or were raised) in the Protestant tradition have largely laid the One True Church by the wayside. Denominations split and merge, shattering into a thousand congregations and coming back together as time heals old wounds. I still remember trying to piece together all of the major schisms and mergers for my confirmation process. It was impossible to keep track of all the minor schisms and mergers – there were more than three hundred sects that eventually rejoined in the United Methodist Church that I was raised in.
    A Protestant swims in schism like a trout in swift, shallow waters.
    For Catholics, the Church is the sea – indivisible, deep and wide, with tides and currents beyond the control of individuals. There are people that are drawn to the sea from inland waters. The one and true Church is the Catholic answer to the question of faith. Those that are drawn to that answer have to deal with the Catholic church, in all its infuriating splendor.
    The folks that draw to the Orthodox churches, and agitate for a united Patriarchate, are, in my opinion, trying to rebuild the Catholic Church without dealing with the Catholics. I’ve got some relatives like that. I rather think that the Orthodox answer isn’t what the seabound are in search of. They can only cleave to the Orthodox traditions by pushing to make them Catholic.

  10. Beth Avatar

    Rossi and Andrew, and lately you, are some of my favorite sites to read. I’ve struggled with my faith and my church for almost seventeen years (I’m only 35) because of being gay. I had to finally give up church, and the anger that’s gone with that has made having faith hard. But I’m learning that God really is faithful and His love really is unconditional – even if many, many people put conditions on it in his name. It’s encouraging to read there are congregations out there that aren’t so hostile to my life.

  11. Catherine Avatar
    Catherine

    Lola, FYI – in case you didn’t know, it is recited in most if not all Christian services. It is a little C catholic. The word catholic means universal. Therefore you, and I, believe in one holy catholic and apostolic church.
    If you knew that, I apologize, but it was not clear to me that you did.

  12. Donald Sensing Avatar

    Jeff, I find it interesting that you denounce churches where people are struggling, even fighting, over this issue as intolerant, but seem to think it’s just fine that your present denomination is one where “no one would be allowed to make this an issue.”
    No one would be allowed? That’s tolarance? I think not. Or maybe I misunderstood your point.
    Another point: I think the implication that non-acceptance of homosexuality will lead to “the accelerated decline of church membership” to be a dubious one.
    As I explicated here, the 2000 religious census of America shows that theologically liberal denominations (including my own, the UMC) are losing members and conservative ones are gaining. And as I recall, the conservative churches are actually gaining faster than the liberal churches are losing.