Tolerating intolerance

Leon de Winter, a Dutch novelist and wise, wry social critic (or so I think, having read a few of his novels translated into German), writes in today’s New York Times about the death of the historic Dutch culture of tolerance, in the wake of the murders of Theo van Gogh and Pim Fortuyn.

The terrible irony is that tolerance, fully exercised, ends up enveloping intolerance.

For centuries the Netherlands has been considered the most tolerant and liberal nation in the world. This attitude is a byproduct of a disciplined civic society, confident enough to provide space for those with different ideas. It produced the country in which Descartes found refuge, a center of freedom of thought and of a free press in Europe.

That Netherlands no longer exists.

The murder last year of the filmmaker Theo van Gogh, whose killer was convicted this week, and the assassination of the politician Pim Fortuyn in 2002 marked the end of the Holland of Erasmus and Spinoza.

No, the Dutch suddenly did not become intolerant and insular. But these killings showed the cumulative effect of two forces that have shaken the foundations of Dutch civic society over the last 40 years: the cultural and sexual revolution of the 1960’s and 70’s and the influx of Muslim workers during those years of prosperity….

When they came to the country, often under long-term government work visas, they were faced with a highly educated but apparently decadent society in the grip of a cultural revolution. Many were astonished: was this country some sort of freak show?

No, it certainly wasn’t. Under the effusive “anything goes” exterior, the majority of Dutch people held on to their disciplined Calvinist values. To the immigrants, however, this core was all but invisible….

And thus the delicate mechanism of Holland’s traditional tolerant society gradually lost its balance. The news media, politicians and artists gnawed away at the traditional values of Calvinistic civic society, while in the bleak Muslim suburbs resentment grew among the Moroccans’ Dutch-born children, who found the promise of an affluent life unfulfillable.

Meanwhile, the news media and politicians maintained an unofficial ban on any discussion of the problems of immigration: after all, in progressive Holland only socioeconomic problems were admissible. It was simply not acceptable to discuss problems relating to religion and culture.

: LATER IN BRITAIN: See, too, Michael Portillo in The Sunday Times of London arguing that mindless multiculturalism is over:

Tolerance was clearly never meant to mean that Britain should allow those with roots outside the country to flout human rights and the laws of the land on the pretext that things were done differently where they came from. The Ayn Rand Institute is right to say that it is dangerous nonsense to pretend that all cultures are morally equivalent. Such sloppy thinking corrodes our ability to distinguish good from evil.

It is tempting in a tolerant society to want to see other people’s point of view. If Islam has thrown up its extremists, we can recall the excesses committed over centuries in the name of Christianity. We can understand that a devout Muslim might find western society licentious and irreligious. But the time for sophistry has passed. Our citizens and our society are under threat from those who believe that difference is a justification for terror and murder. Our country has the right to assert its values and require from everyone living here compliance with our laws and respect for our standards.

Britain’s woolly thinking about multiculturalism has helped to make us vulnerable.

: See also a Sunday Times of London editorial on tolerating intolerance:

We cannot know whether the bombers were driven by the incitement of others. What we do know is that Britain has for too long been tolerant of the messengers of hate, many of whom have been foolishly admitted from abroad. Action will now be taken. It is a pity that it took the deaths of more than 50 innocents to bring it about.

: MORE FROM BLAIR: Tony Blair addresses his party on tolerance and staying the course:

The Prime Minister hit back at suggestions that the London atrocities were linked to injustices in the Middle East, saying it was the ‘almost-devilish logic’ of extremists to play on western guilt.

Their propaganda was clever and sophisticated, he told an audience of Labour party delegates in London: ‘It plays on our tolerance and good nature; it exploits the tendency to guilt of the developed world – as if it is our behaviour that should change, that if we only tried to work out and act on their grievances, we could lift this evil; that if we changed our behaviour, they would change theirs.

‘Their cause is not founded on injustice. It is founded on a belief, one whose fanaticism is such that it can’t be moderated. It can’t be remedied. It has to be stood up to.’

43 responses to “Tolerating intolerance”

  1. mariana Avatar
    mariana

    “Tolerance is good and necessary and civilized. Multiculturism is good; I’m so multi-culti I don’t know how mult-culti I am.”
    Uhhh, did you miss the discussion about multiculturalism being dangerous nonsense in the articles you quoted? Did you miss the part about tolerance producing intolerance?

  2. penny Avatar

    Ironic that the Dutch have tolerated themselves out of existence. But, so goes Europe with their pc multicultural crap. All things are equal no matter how egregious in conduct. Your next door neighbor keeps the missus wrapped in a burqa on a short leash, condones honor killings and female clitorectomies, but that’s ok because it’s a religious thing with him.
    Hirsi Ali, lives under a fatwa and probably will die soon for expressing her views in Holland. Oh, and van Gogh’s killer stated last week in court that he had no regrets. It was a religious thing. Nothing personal.
    Of course, we have our little apologists here too. The little furry creatures will be forthcoming with their indignation, muddled logic, fact challenged and moral equivalencies posts……..can’t we all get along and tolerate everything!

  3. Kat Avatar

    We are fighting a politically correct war on terror where we can not identify the enemy. How can you fight a war when the Left won’t let you name the enemy? I don’t think it is our job to understand the enemy–I think we need to kill them–destroy them like Naziism was destroyed.

  4. SteveMG Avatar
    SteveMG

    “Tolerance is good and necessary and civilized. Multiculturism is good; I’m so multi-culti I don’t know how mult-culti I am.”
    Jeff, as the poster above noted, did you read the articles? Did you understand what they’re saying?
    You don’t have tolerance for those on the Religious Right that wish to impose, improperly, on us the “right way of living.” You don’t tolerate those who wish, for example, to use the FCC to impose “decency standards” on the rest of us that chills free speech.
    You don’t have tolerance for a whole series of ideas and practices that you disagree with.
    And rightly so.
    The late Isaiah Berlin had a wonderful essay where he noted that while we in liberal democracies can not and do not and must not impose the “right way of living” on others, that that does not mean that there are not “wrong ways of living.”
    We will not tolerate men abusing their wives and children no matter what source – secular or religious – that gives support for it. We will not tolerate people killing others or attacking others because they do not like the ideas or thoughts that they express.
    Even tolerance has its limits.
    SMG
    SMG

  5. TE Avatar

    Holland has more problems than “tolerance.” One problem that they have is with the national identity. The Dutch are so embarassed about nationalism that their only identity is blood-based. Meaning that a Morrocon is always a Morrocon even when he is Dutch.
    My husband, a Dutch citizen born in Iran, received a letter from a Dutch company stating that they already had too many foreigners on staff, so they decided to hire their second choice instead of him. Too many communication problems with “foreigners,” the letter explained. As an American, I was shocked. The idea that a citizen could still be called a “foreigner” shocked me.
    The left in Holland turned a blind eye to immigration issues, and the right simplified them. The fact is, the left have been embarassed to admit that cultures can and do clash. The Netherlands is a tiny country with a huge and fairly new immigrant population. I am sure that the Dutch will regain their culture of tolerance, but it will take some time. Plus, they will have to reform their notion of what it means to be Dutch. That might take some nationalism. By nationalism, I mean in the sense of an identity that is not based on blood.

  6. Dak Avatar

    Tolerating Intolerance:
    How Political Correctness Protects Islam
    http://kotisivu.mtv3.fi/jjokunen/political_correctness_and_islam.htm

  7. JMB Avatar

    Let us first define what tolerance means, in the context of a free society. Tolerance is specific to the recognition of individual rights, and its correlate ban against the initiation of force. If we are to live in a civilized society, we contract with each other to limit the use of force except within the confines of an objective rule of law. The law is objective only when it applies equally to every individual. It is only on the principle of individual rights, and the banning of the initiation of force, that we are equal–i.e. we are all equal before the law. It is within this context that we are tolerant. We tolerate the words and actions of others only as long as they do not use physical force or otherwise step on another’s rights. For instance, you may think that I ought to believe in your particular god and attend worship services, but you may not force me to do so. My disbelief and lack of attendance has no effect on your right to believe or practice your belief.
    So, what if I offend your sensibilities? Giving offense is NOT the initiation of force and in no way interfers with your own belief or actions. We tolerate those things which may offend us personally as long as such things do not interfer with our own rights as an individual; it is only the introduction of force that can interfer with any individuals’ rights.
    How did it happen that we find ourselves concerned over something like the collective practices, the culture, of any particular group of people? Cultures change. No one is concerned about the culture of the ancient Spartans, for instance. This happened when we stopped viewing people as individuals and started treating everyone as part of a group. It happened when we started legislating special privileges to this or that collective, and abrogating individual rights in order to do so. In justice, there is no such thing as a collection of individuals having a claim to something that a single individual does not. When you take away the right of one individual in order to give something to another individual, you undercut the principle of rights and there can be nothing that anyone can objectively claim as a right. If the government can come in and take your property for whatever reason, there are no longer any property rights, only a privilege granted by the whim of the individuals in power. If the government can write a law limiting your right to speak, or pay someone to speak for you, for or against a political idea or candidate, you no longer own the right of free speech, but only a privilege granted by the whim of the individuals in power. Once the law recognizes group “rights”, then it’s played dueces wild — all rights become privileges, and we are all at the mercy of political whim; the individual is disarmed against the will of the mob.
    Multiculturalism isn’t merely the idea, as some people think, that we respect other cultures. Multiculturalism is a form of collectivism wherein we consider people, not as individuals, but as members of a group, and it is only as a member of this or that group that the individual has claim to any rights. When you start trying to define rights by the beliefs of one group or another, you necessarily end up with one group pitted against another. This is why we now have those who demand tolerance for themselves while they deny it, on principle, to others. There is no way to objectively define any law that encompasses the cultural practices of every group. One may respect another’s *right* to believe something without respecting the belief itself, but there is no way to force everyone to believe in everything. To demand that the arbitrary, man-made rules and practices of any culture be treated like a law of nature goes against the very idea that each individual owns his own life, is free to live by his own reason, and has the right to persue his own happiness. Multiculturalism is not some innocuous ideology that encourages respect for different cultures, it demands that you blank out your reason in order to treat all human culture as morally equal, no matter how barbaric the practices are within that culture. Ask yourself what it is you must ignore if you are to accept the culture of honor killing, or the sexual disfigurement of an adolescent girl, or hacking off the head of anyone who doesn’t believe as you do. That is what you must ignore in order to actually practice multiculturalism.
    In reality of course, there are only individual human beings. It is only by the recognition of the principle that each individual has a right to his own life, regardless of the accident of birth, and is equal before the law, i.e. that no one has a right that doesn’t belong to everyone else, that tolerance has any meaning. We tolerate even that which offends us because *not* doing so means we give up our claim to our own rights, and to the protection of those rights.
    I do not tolerate the Islamist, or anyone else, who would either enslave me or kill me, and no one has the right to demand that I commit suicide by doing so.

  8. penny Avatar

    Multiculturalism is not some innocuous ideology that encourages respect for different cultures, it demands that you blank out your reason in order to treat all human culture as morally equal, no matter how barbaric the practices are within that culture. Ask yourself what it is you must ignore if you are to accept the culture of honor killing, or the sexual disfigurement of an adolescent girl, or hacking off the head of anyone who doesn’t believe as you do. That is what you must ignore in order to actually practice multiculturalism.
    Well put, JMB.

  9. Ron Wright Avatar
    Ron Wright

    It’s Time to Stick It to the Enemy in the GWOT!
    Kat, JMB and all,
    I think you are on to it. I posted this in the related thread below. Didn’t see an easy way of linking to it. So here’s a snippit:
    *****
    There are several other discussions going on on this topic. There is one being led by Bill Roggio at Winds of Change. Go there and follow the links to other sites and you may find your answers and how you can personally help win the GWOT.
    Whatever you do go to Dr. Zin’s site:
    http://www.regimechangeiran.com
    and read about the brave Iranian journalist putting his life on the line to call attention to the Iranian people’s struggle for freedom. Of course the MSM is not reporting this to the Amercian people but you can spread the word via the Blogos.
    *****
    Bill and others,
    I believe you all are on the right track. It’s fascinating to watch as a group consensus seems to be evolving across the political Blog sites. Others are starting to come to similar conclusions about what the cause is and what needs to be done to win the GWOT (Un PC – Islamofascism).
    The secret is we must know our enemy and the ideology that drives it. We need to exploit the weaknesses of the enemy. We need to drive a stake literally through the very heart of the enemy (e.g. the Mad Mullahs of Iran would be a close first) and wipe this cult-like religious ideology that evolved from the sands of the Arabian and North African deserts from the face of the earth.
    This ideology has been brought to our world by the radical madrasses of this movement by the oil money of the House of Saud. This is the key nexus of this mess that we have ignored for all too long because of our multiculturism, political correctness, and tolerance of other religions and cultures. The enemy is exploiting this strength of the American society. It’s time we awoke and ram this back down their throats.
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  10. jdm Avatar

    The notions of Dutch tolerance in general have some basis in historical fact. With regards to recent immigration, however, there never was any tolerance in Holland, much less Europe. It was apathy.
    The various elites, political and industrial, as well as the media all did their part to grow a Muslim culture in their land(s). Early on, it was to man the factories (why otherwise would there be so many Pakistanis in the Midlands of England?). And the reaction of the population(s) was, well, OK, I guess we need help, and these new workers are “guest workers” after all, they’ll be sent home when we don’t need them anymore…
    But when the Good Times petered out, they weren’t sent home, they stayed. They went on welfare. Apart from the monetary assistance, it also involved being given state subsidized housing. And thus the ghettos were born. And then, there was Gramdma back in the old country, and the brothers, and the 12-year old bride selected for one’s son… and thus were the ghettos populated.
    And the reaction among the populace was, well, as long as we can take our vacation, get a nice car every few years, get a TV, a cable connection, I guess we can afford it. Besides, we don’t want to say anything, it might be considered racist or otherwise politicially incorrect…
    And as the few began to question these directions in their societies, the elites created blasphemy laws (if they didn’t already exist). These, along with the racism laws, were never applied equally, nor were they applied to help the immigrants, they were applied to protect the elites, to stifle any discussion.
    If the laws couldn’t be applied, those who raised questions, were simply shut out of “normal” society. They were demonized and given little or no voice during elections.
    And the reaction among the populace was a nodding agreement that yes, these voices in protest did sound racist, like Nazis. They should be shut out. And then apathy. Self-satisfied, I-got-mine-Jack, apathy.
    Tolerance? BS, it was an unspoken deal between the elites and the populace: we won’t question your actions (like we’re supposed to), and you elites won’t treat our nations, our cultures as your playthings (like they’re supposed to).
    And now that the elites have messed things up and the populations are angered, we watch the elites trying to cover their asses and divert attention away from their mess.
    Interesting times…

  11. chuck Avatar

    Plus, they will have to reform their notion of what it means to be Dutch. That might take some nationalism.
    Yes, indeed. I am a cynical sort who believes that the natural state of man is tribal warfare; turf wars, if you will. Multiculturalism promotes tribes, hence warfare. The proven way to avoid this is to encompass all groups within a larger entity, a nation or some such. When such an entity exists, differences can be tolerated. When no such entity exists the consequent tribal battles lead to intolerance. The melting pot is not an example of misguided cultural jingoism, it is a prerequisite for continued peace and liberty.

  12. tracelan Avatar
    tracelan

    Multiculturism is bad, VERY BAD. It’s a lie. Multiculturism tries to say that the most successful and the least successful are the same. Multiculturism is the start of relativism. Nothing is good and nothing is bad. Like I said multiculturism is a lie.

  13. Dak Avatar

    Thank JDM…and BRAVO!
    When I was small, I was fascinated by the “Emperor has no clothes” tale. So silly, I thought. How could a society be so silly.
    I was to young, of course to see the real message.
    Then political correctness came along, and I saw the naked emperor .

  14. Dak Avatar

    Political correctness has also been the Trojan Horse.

  15. Uh-huh Avatar

    I was reading about all this on LGF a couple of years ago. Nice to see Jarvis playing belated catch-up – better late than never (but too late for Europe probably)

  16. penny Avatar

    Political correctness has also been the Trojan Horse
    Right. It’s the gag order that the ideologues in the lefty media and on most campuses use to squash open honest debate. Whole thoughts and words are forbidden in classrooms and most newspapers. When was the last time you saw a tv show or Hollywood movies that wasn’t dumbed down with pc crap?
    David Horowitz has been documenting the shameful state of our campuses.
    Eventually as “water is the last thing the fish will ever discover” the pc/multicultural crowd will catch on that most Americans, except for a few insecure self-muzzling bumpkins, have abandoned their cause.

  17. Terry Heaton Avatar

    “Tolerance is the virtue of people who don’t believe anything.” G.K. Chesterton
    I believe he was talking about the blind acceptance of anyone and anything that comes from those who demand acceptance because their behavior is unacceptable.

  18. Jersey Exile Avatar

    Well if this isn’t the biggest strawman argument I’ve ever seen made, I don’t know what it is. Funny how us Lefties have been raked over the coals for decades now for “being tolerant of everything except intolerance,” only to have that last part dropped in the slur nowadays because the Right suddenly wants to be the champions in the war against intolerance (so long as no one goes throwing stones in their big-ass glass cathedral they’ve built, what with catering to the largest group of intolerants–i.e., the Christofascists–still roaming free in the American discourse).
    The logic here is laughable: multiculturalism must inevitably lead to an acceptance of intolerance, and by extension terrorism. What a huge steaming crock of shit! No wonder it has the Ayn Rand Institute’s endorsement. In the history of the 20th century that has not been rewritten by ideologues such as Horowitz and Daniel Pipes, liberals were in fact the footsoldiers in the war against intolerance around the globe, branded as “hippie idealists” and “utopians” who couldn’t perceive the subtleties of Realpolitik as practiced during the Cold War. The revisionists also conveniently leave out the fact that the Left had been singling out the Taliban for their crimes against women and humanity in general for a whole decade before 9/11 put Afghanistan back into the public’s eye–in fact before the WTC and Pentagon attacks as far as the Bush administration was concerned the Taliban represented “our” kind of family values and were actually getting American tax money to prosecute our War on Drugs against the dirt poor opium farmers of that nation (and don’t try telling me that because Clinton did nothing that this somehow “proves” that liberals didn’t care about Afghanistan–as if Clinton were a liberal in any way, shape, or form!).
    Sorry, wingnuts. Plenty of us on the Left have been against ALL form of intolerance for quite some time. Try again.

  19. The Lonewacko Blog Avatar

    Interesting how some of the editorials and comments apply to our immigration situation in the U.S. But, let’s not talk about that.

  20. Vincent Avatar

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with “multi-culturalism,” per se. Learning about another culture’s art, cuisine, traditions, maybe attending a religious ceremony or two, etc. All that stuff is Excellent. Enriching. Educational. Even Enjoyable. “Tolerance” generally follows from that experience.
    What “multi-culturalism” is not is making up wishy-washy excuses for people who preach hatred and murder and then go out and start killing people. So many people who preach “multi-cultural tolerance” have no problem condemning scum like Jerry Falwell or Fred Phelps, but suddenly get all mealy-mouthed when confronted with the ugly fact that there are an awful lot of non-white-Christian preachers spewing the same kind of poison.
    Suddenly, we’re to be concerned about “root causes.” And when someone goes out and does something vile, suddenly everyone’s concerned about “backlash.” Why the double standard?

  21. chuck Avatar

    Ah Jersey,
    Glad to see the left retains its famous tolerance of non-(left)-believers.
    — Former Democrat, current wingnut.

  22. Jersey Exile Avatar

    Vincent,
    There’s no double standard. The point is to attempt to try to understand the “root causes” of the McVeighs and the Phelpses and the serial killers as well as the motivations of those Islamicist terrorists who would kill us for being godless Americans. And you simply can’t do that without a certain amount of empathy, much as it horrifies the “Kill ’em all” and “Evil Evil Evil” crowds.
    If we cannot belly up to what seems irrational and amoral to us and stare it in the eye so as to learn how better to fight it, then we are nothing more than cowards who deserve to live in terror. Are we so uncertain of our own basic humanity that we fear what might happen if we dare consider our enemy’s circumstances and grievances in order to refine our tactics and strategy in the War on Terror?

  23. Jersey Exile Avatar

    Chuck,
    I have no beef with non-Lefties–my best friend is more conservative (in the classical sense) than anyone else on this blog, I can assure you. I couldn’t give two shits about who you voted for in the last election or what party you choose to affiliate yourself with, provided that you have intelligent and defensible reasons for doing so. I’m not 100% with the liberal party line myself (I’m a sportsman so I’m pro-gun, for one small example), so if I was going to tar people for having superficial political differences I’d have to start with myself.
    I reserve my intolerance for those people–on both sides–who would turn our war against Al-Qaeda into a global conflict between Islam and the West, because they do so out of fear and ignorance. I will stand up not only to the intolerance of the Muslim world but also whenever it rears its ugly head in America as well. So don’t expect me to apologize for hating the haters, no matter what their country of origin.
    Again, this is something people in my neck of the liberal woods have been doing for decades–glad you Righties have finally joined the party, albeit a bit late, but forgive me if I don’t completely buy in to your newfound respect for universal human rights until after it’s no longer politically expedient for you as well.

  24. Dak Avatar

    “consider our enemy’s circumstances and grievances”
    That’s for situations within human understanding.
    Total puke when applied to these repugnant subhuman behaviors.

  25. kate q Avatar

    And today in the NYT there’s an article about ‘native Hawaiians’ getting sovereignty.
    More divisive little groups. Joy.

  26. Jersey Exile Avatar

    Kate Q,
    Do you know the history of the Hawaiian “annexation”? Let’s just say that it wasn’t exactly on the level.

  27. Dak Avatar

    …and as far as to
    “consider our enemy’s circumstances and grievances”
    In 1961, ‘President Eisenhower finally declared, [about Castro’s abuse]”there’s a limit to what the United States in self-respect can endure. That limit has been reached.” ‘
    Without a doubt, in all certainty that limit has MORE than been breached by the monsters committing such horrific acts.

  28. Jersey Exile Avatar

    Dak,
    “Total puke”?
    When in the aftermath of 9/11 Condoleeza Rice said that no one could have envisioned terrorists using airplanes as weapons, she demonstrated exactly why we must be willing to do what you and Jeff Jarvis find so morally repugnant–to understand our enemy by getting inside of his mind and figuring out what makes him tick. If we are to believe Ms. Rice, September 11th was both a failure of intelligence and imagination.
    Just because we can’t stomach what terrible things human beings are actually capable of contriving doesn’t mean that the terrorists won’t do them out of respect for our delicate sensibilities. Calling them “subhuman” and hoping we catch them with the next errant cruise missile isn’t going to keep us safe and sound on the home front.

  29. W. James Au Avatar
    W. James Au

    Vis a vis Islamist terrorism, the chief problem isn’t multiculturalism per se, it’s post-colonialist theory, which generally interprets everything wrong with the Middle East, Africa, and Latin America as attributable to past Western sins of colonialism and imperialism. (And cleverly, US military presence in those regions during the Cold War is slipped hugger mugger under the rubric of “imperialism”.) Now, it’s definitely true that the West has a lot to answer for, for those sins, but when it comes to something like the rise of Wahhabism and Al Qaeda, the explanatory value of anti-colonialsm goes haywire, becoming not only usefless, but detrimental to understanding. It’s exactly why many on the left interpreted the 9/11 attacks as a response to US foreign policy or support of Israel (which is perversely defined as a Western colony), as opposed a call-to-arms to create a Talibanized Caliphate that would ultimatly encompass everywhere that Muslims reside (i.e., the entire world) that it really was. As Hitchens points out, Al Qaeda and their Wahhabist supporters are the worst imperialists of them all.

  30. Dak Avatar

    Jersey,
    There are people on this planet that think all lands must be theirs, and their “cloak” is that all people must be under their Allah or die.
    Seeking to shift the reason WHY their ideaology is to take over the world to something the rest of the world is doing or not doing is lunacy.
    They are taught to be Masters of doublespeak.
    They seek to recruit suicide bombers with tales of material reward and sex in eternity…(the very things there religious “cover” supposedly disdains here on earth).
    Even as they hide their greed and power seeking under a cloak of religion, they break all moral rules. Incongruently they lie and manipulate…to do so is taught plainly in their terrorist manuals.
    It’s comicbook simple. The world needs to do whatever is necessary to rid itself of this Evil Empire.
    Understanding them is totally irrelevant.
    Looking for humanly understandable reasons where none exist for horrors of that magnitude, is where our intelligence and imagination is failing.

  31. Kat Avatar

    Hey–a timely piece(translation compliments of LGF)from the Spanish PM.
    THE WAY TO FIGHT TERRORISM IS TO KEEP OUR GUARD UP
    by Jose Maria Aznar
    When faced with an act of extreme cruelty such as the one perpetrated in London on the 7th of July just past, the first thing to do is to care for the victims. Nothing can justify ó- still less rationalize ó- the pain and destruction that have been caused. And it is equally ridiculous to second-guess the decision recently taken in Singapore to give the 2012 Olympic games to London, or the decision to hold the G8 summit in Scotland, where it was in progress on the day of the attacks. Any pretext is good enough for Bin Laden to strike at us however he chooses ó- or rather, whenever he can ó- and we have, alas, more than one piece of proof. Obviously, the London attacks have recalled to my mind those that we Spaniards suffered on March 11, 2004, in Madrid: bombs exploding simultaneously in the public-transportation system, home-grown terrorists, scores of dead and hundreds of wounded ó- unspeakable emotional trauma, followed by endless recrimination and theorizing. But all this notwithstanding, in spite of all the suffering and pain, I am optimistic about this conflictís ultimate outcome. There is no alternative to victory over terrorism. I will go farther: even with the horror of London before my eyes, I sincerely believe that we are already winning the war against the followers of Bin Laden.
    To begin with, if our objective is total victory over terrorism, we must first understand what sort of people we have to deal with. The adversary who stands before us is an enemy who has declared war on us: very simply, he has declared it and he has acted on his declaration. Just like Adolph Hitler in his day, Bin Laden has written and repeated very clearly what his objectives are and what his vision is for the world: a theocracy capable of bringing about the restoration of the Caliphate and imposing Koranic law from Al-Andalus (the name the Arabs gave to the Iberian Peninsula in the long period of their dominance), all the way to the Philippine Islands. Bin Laden hates everything that is Western, not only for historical reasons but also for what he sees in the West: a civilization which promotes prosperity over poverty and equality over injustice; a civilization which, in the place of intolerance, advances the ideals of religious pluralism and the separation of Church and State. He hates us, in essence, because of what we are. It is irrelevant, therefore, to connect the London bombings with any other concrete action or event. Islamic terror operates on a very different set of motivations in determining when and how it will strike. Whether we like it or not, the fact is that Al Qaeda is at war with us. And in time of war, one must necessarily change oneís mindset.
    There are two main points to come out of the London bombings: the first is that although we are aware that we are at war, the vulnerability of all our Western societies remains extremely high, since they are, by nature, open societies. Stopping a suicide-bomber is practically an impossible task if it is attempted at the last minute ó the usual time-frame in which police operations are carried out. Islamic terror is not exclusively a police problem: it reaches into areas well beyond the realm of policing on account of its roots, its resources, its strategies and its objectives. For this reason, it is entirely useless to think that it can be eliminated by the forces of civil order alone. On the contrary, the events of London, like those of Madrid and of New York before them, underscore the necessity of taking action long before the terrorists have decided on blowing themselves up and gotten themselves ready to do so. Moreover, action of this kind must be carried out in places thousands of miles from where we live. Terror knows no frontiers, so the fight against the terrorists must be carried out on a global scale and in a preventive manner. The second point may appear paradoxical, though it is, in fact, not so. The London attacks give the impression that Islamic terror is weaker today than it was, say, one year ago (just to name a date). It is true that the terrorists succeeded in striking a city which had begun to protect itself as of several months ago, knowing that it was one of the fundamentalistsí primary targets. It is also true that although other attacks had been foiled in the past, this time no one was able to stop the terrorists, a fact that demonstrates that passive defense is plainly inadequate as protection. That said, it must be recognized that the London attacks have lost the element of strategic surprise so evident on that infamous Eleventh of September, [though] it is highly possible that they may prove just as deadly as those of the Eleventh of March. This is not because the terrorists arenít interested in topping their previous accomplishments. If Bin Laden hopes to go on being seen as the supreme role-model for his coreligionists, he must be capable of inflicting ever-heavier physical and moral damage upon us. This is the logic that was born out of the events of September 11. Since that time, he has scored tactical victories ó- the March 11 bombings and the change of government in Spain ó- but he is losing the war. Today he does not have the capacity to mount another September 11, neither in terms of strategic surprise nor, most likely, in terms of physical destruction. And there is another thing to be stated very clearly: if Al Qaeda, in spite of recent events, still is weaker today than it was in the past, this fact is due to the aggressive action and constant pressure applied by the United States with the cooperation of the international coalition in places as remote as Afghanistan, the Philippines, Mauritania, and Iraq. Yes, Iraq. The activities of intelligence agents, soldiers, and special forces have substantially reduced the ability of Bin Ladenís men to plan and carry out new attacks. Without a doubt, Al Qaeda is weaker today because it has not left us waiting for a new strike. [The war in] Iraq [as a justification for the London attacks] is a pretext that has nothing to do with the agenda of Al Qaeda, except for the fact that the arrival of democracy in that land must constitute a heavy blow to the [Al Qaeda] organization. For this reason, it is absolutely imperative that the coalition forces bring the work they have begun to a successful conclusion. To leave Iraq before this occurs would be to commit an exceedingly grave strategic error.
    The truly worrying aspect of the London strike, something it has in common with Madrid, is the use for these terrorist attacks of agents already in place within our societies. While it is evident that not all Muslims living among us are terrorists, nevertheless, to pursue an immigration policy that amounts to a wide-open door in its practical effect is, in light of very recent events, irresponsible. Terrorism succeeds when it understands that through its violent acts it has broken the will of individual citizens. I have already stated that we are at war with Bin Laden, and anyone who refuses to see it, preferring to negotiate and make pacts with terror, does nothing else but make more terror a certainty. To surrender without a fight can only cause the deaths of more victims, because terrorism gives no quarter. Islamic terrorism does not want a dialogue of civilizations, because its only goal is to impose its own on ours. Letís not forget it.
    Jose Maria Aznar
    translated from the Italian in Il Messaggero (online) of 16 July 2005.

  32. Bob in Texas Avatar

    It’s not a crime. It’s an atrocity. It’s an act of war.
    It was carried out by Islamic fascists to advance their “cause” in a war they themselves have theorized, started, glamorized, and globalized.
    To treat those bombings as “a crime” is to be endlessly reactive — researching and responding to yesterday’s atrocity, and missing the need to anticipate, stand up to, shame, and defeat the murderous intent — the sea of ideological hatred — the worldwide planning that stands behind it.
    To think of it in terms of crime is to give terror the initiative.

  33. Vincent Avatar

    No, Jersey, I think you’re incorrect. All of this talk of “backlash” and “root causes” and the rest is a cleverly disguised way of using a tragedy to score domestic political points. It’s not a mere coincidence, I think, that there’s a very close correlation between those who are bemoaning a “backlash” and looking at “root causes” and those whose first impulse after 7/7 was to start talking about how Bush and Blair were directly responsible because of the war in Iraq.
    As for the double standard, it most certainly exists. No one talks about Fred Phelps’ childhood or his family or his feelings of alienation and disconnect from society in order to understand why he’s a loathsome, homophobic thug.
    Eventually, the search for “root causes” leads so far away from the actual perpetrators of the crime that it’s almost a farce. Remember Columbine? Remember how Columbine eventually became about Doom video games and Marilyn Manson instead of two murderous little kids?
    Then 9/11 was about Israel and America’s crimes in the Middle East.
    Now 7/7 is about Iraq.
    It’s an absurd narrative that always seems to lead back to American (or British, or Israeli) “crimes” time and time again, and which eventually overtakes actual discussion of the event in question and, indeed, examination of the so-called “root causes” themselves. More often than not, it’s a tactic to steer discussion away from potentially uncomfortable, non-PC topics like Muslim extremism toward the well-worn turf of American foreign policy.
    When are we going to start putting the responsibility for terrorism back on the terrorists? When are we going to put the responsibility for 7/7 on the shoulders of four middle class British Muslims instead of trying to make it someone else’s (read: Bush’s) fault?
    You talk of “getting inside our enemy’s mind and finding out what makes him tick.” Those are meaningless, empty platitudes. We know what they want and we know what drives them. They’ve told us themselves, many times. Their way of life and our way of life are not compatible, any more than our way of life is compatible with Fred Phelps’ ideology or Adolf Eichmann’s chosen path.

  34. Vincent Avatar

    Here’s some more about “root causes,” straight from the horse’s mouth:
    “The evil programs on TV, the music, the literature, the magazines … are all responsible for the terrorist attacks. People are becoming rebellious because they are against fornication, gambling, alcohol.”
    “Until they get rid of Eminem and Marilyn Manson, they can’t get rid of our preachers,” he said.
    Yup. Root causes, right there. Eminem and Marilyn Manson are to blame for the terrorist attacks in London. If our culture does not change to suit them, they will continue to kill us until it does.
    Here’s more:
    Fazel has found difficulty integrating into British society and expresses a sense of displacement and alienation.
    Huh. I wonder if that has anything to do with the fact that he blames musicians for terrorist bombings.
    What makes him tick? What’s inside his head?
    Images of the twin towers of the World Trade Center collapsing, he said, fueled his curiosity about the faith of his ancestors.
    Charming.

  35. Jim S Avatar

    W. James Au makes excellent points.
    Maybe part of the problems can be traced not only to how British society interacts with the immigrants but some of the choices made by them. My understanding is that in an attempt to keep their children tied to the culture of their home country the Pakistani parents of the terrorists had sent them back to Pakistan to attend Madrassahs. What a wonderful idea when you can’t possibly know what kind of Islam they will be taught there. I think we know now what they were taught.

  36. mary Avatar

    Just because we can’t stomach what terrible things human beings are actually capable of contriving doesn’t mean that the terrorists won’t do them out of respect for our delicate sensibilities.
    Oh, please. We know that the egalitarian ideals of Communism are responsible for the slaughter of more than 100 million people. We know that national soc-ialism is responsible for the death of millions more. We know that millions of Europeans were willing to look the other way as Jews were murdered by the millions, and they did the same thing when Serbs were murdering Muslims.
    If we can stomach all of that, we certainly aren’t traumatized when a few cult-addled brainwashed punks decide to go postal and murder commuters for in the name of totalitarian Shariah laws.
    The goal of most suicide bombers is to sacrifice their lives, and the lives of our friends and relatives, for the goal of an Islamic Caliphate ruled by aparheid Shariah laws. Most are influenced by Imams who preach a version of Wahhabism, a puritanical, extremist version of Islam that is more of a political than a religious system. Most of these Imams are trained and paid by our allies in Saudi Arabia.
    Followers of Wahhabism believe that they are “human beings” and we are not. They believe that we are najis, or filth, comparable to feces or urine. Our lives, and the lives of our friends and relatives are worthless to them.
    The terrorist who killed filmmaker Theo Van Gogh said to his mother “”I have to admit I do not feel for you, I do not feel your pain, I cannot — I don’t know what it is like to lose a child,” “I cannot feel for you … because I believe you are an infidel,”
    It is a good idea to learn more about these extremists, to know which organizations sponsor them and how they work. If we decide to fight a war against terrorism, that informaton can be used to find and dismember these organizations. The fact that these murderers exist among us is not traumatic, but the fact that we have allowed them to attack our society the way we have, and the fact that they’ve gotten away with so much is. We seem to have lost the talent for self-defense.

  37. Ruth Avatar

    Extremely ironic that the Leeds community saw religious radicalization of young Muslims as a viable alternative to gang culture. In many of our inner cities, I understand that is also happening.

  38. Jersey Exile Avatar

    It is a good idea to learn more about these extremists, to know which organizations sponsor them and how they work. If we decide to fight a war against terrorism, that informaton can be used to find and dismember these organizations. The fact that these murderers exist among us is not traumatic, but the fact that we have allowed them to attack our society the way we have, and the fact that they’ve gotten away with so much is. We seem to have lost the talent for self-defense.
    I disagree with none of this, Mary.
    As for having lost the talent for self-defense, the explanation is simple–four whole years after 9/11, our intelligence apparatuses are still stuck in an obsolete Cold War model, thanks to the fact that no one was taken to task at the CIA, FBI, the NSA or the Pentagon for the intelligence failure that allowed the September 11th attacks to happen. These institutions are still dominated by careerist Cold Warriors and ex-Sovietologists who don’t know diddly squat about the Middle East or the Arab mentality, and what precious few experts we do have are being drummed out of serving their country for being gay or for not being 100% lockstep with the current administration’s agenda.
    Want to hear something absolutely terrifying? I have a colleague who is currently getting paid by the Department of Defense as a terror consultant simply based on the fact that he is of Indian descent and lived in India for a year. He has no formal training in the subject and no professional experience, and yet our government pays this person a LOT of money to read books about terrorism and present this information as “expertise” about our present enemy and how to defeat him. No offense to my colleague of course, but although he does his best to give the Pentagon all the info he can even he recognizes the sheer absurdity of it all.
    Four years after Semptember 11th and this is the best we can do? Do you feel any safer now? Because I sure as Hell don’t.

  39. Jersey Exile Avatar

    Meanwhile, back in the real world…
    WASHINGTON – New investigations by the Saudi Arabian government and an Israeli think tank ó both of which painstakingly analyzed the backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United States ó have found that the vast majority of them are not former terrorists and became radicalized by the war.
    The studies cast serious doubt on President Bush’s claim that those responsible for some of the worst violence are terrorists who seized on the opportunity to make Iraq the “central front” in a battle against the United States.

  40. mary Avatar

    WASHINGTON – New investigations by the Saudi Arabian government and an Israeli think tank ó both of which painstakingly analyzed the backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United States ó have found that the vast majority of them are not former terrorists and became radicalized by the war.
    Yeah, right. Before 9/11, Bin Laden managed to recruit more than 20,000 mujahideen. A large percentage of them were Saudis.
    All of these mujahideen were generously funded by Saudis. The hijackers who particiapted in the unprovoked act of war that was 9/11 were also funded by Saudis. Saudis are still funding and participating in terrorist attacks around the world.
    From the US treasury department:

    US government calls Saudis ‘significant source’ of terror funds.

    The statement by Treasury Undersecretary Stuart Levey before the US Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, contrasted with earlier upbeat assessments by US officials that Saudi Arabia was making good progress in stemming the flow of private money to terrorist groups.

    Levey said challenges posed by terrorist financing from within Saudi Arabia were “among the most daunting” his agency had to face as it tries to persuade Islamic nations to strengthen controls over their banks and charitable organizations…

    ..Even today, we believe that Saudi donors may still be a significant source of terrorist financing, including for the insurgency in
    Iraq,” he added.

    Saudis are financing the war in Iraq. Most of the suicide bombers in Iraq are Saudis. They’re not doing this because they’re “radicalized”, they’re doing this because they’ve been at war with us for almost a decade.
    If you believe the KSA’s current attempts to CYA, then you are a perfect illustration of our current inablity to defend ourselves.

  41. R C Dean Avatar
    R C Dean

    Now why would I be suspicious of a Saudi Arabian study that places the blame for creating a generation of terrorists on the US, and does so in the service of trying to prevent the creation of a secular democracy right next door to the theocratic monarchy now ruling Saudi Arabia?

  42. whodat Avatar

    I feel safer. And I think that the whole “root cause” issue is basically garbage. We know what their root cause is. Take over the Middle East and then the world. Join us or die. There’s not going to be any deep, meaningful revelation that brings us clarity as to why they act the way they do. None that we can use to end this. We could go on every TV & radio station and website and newspaper and blog and shout out to all the ships at sea that we are responsible for every wrong ever perpetrated not only on them but on everyone in the history of the united planets–and guess what? They’d still be pursuing their goal. Why do they kill their own and those attempting to rebuild the country or those who are humanitarians? They do not want peace and freedom there. They want havoc and a breeding ground for more terrorism so they can continue murdering people that don’t join their club. Spain tried to “understand” them. After the train attacks they withdrew their troops from Iraq and what—more threats and terrorism. I would be all for dealing with them logically. But that isn’t a possibility.
    And Jersey so what if the war inspires more of them to take up the “cause”? Of course that was going to happen. As for your friend the consultant, I have to say I really doubt that very much. I’m pretty certain that Paul Wolfowitz and his staff aren’t taking cues from your buddy because of his nationality. Please.

  43. Savanna Avatar
    Savanna