Actually, people want you to lead

Actually, people want you to lead

: When he got the job, I said that Howard Dean could resist himself. He hasn’t gone to anger-management class. Today, he says:

“People want us to fight,” Dean told the national party’s executive committee. “We are here to fight.”

No, Howard, that’s what lost you the primaries.

Both sides are role-playing into each others’ hands. Dean is acting like the rabid underdog and the Republicans are acting like cornered kitties and both are ridiculous. See John Cole, Republican, on the Republican act:

And while we are at it, can we conservatives please stop this laughable cult of victimology? We have the Presidency (for the second time in a row and the fifth time in the last seven elections). We control the Senate by a ten seat margin. We control the House by a larger margin. We have dismissed or dismantled virtually every institutional check in order to limit opposition debate and increase institutional control, regardless how short-sighted that might be. We are ramming through just about every judge we wanted, and are about to reload the Supreme Court with Antonin Scalia at the helm.

We control dozens of governors offices and an equal number of state legislatures. We have hundreds of think tanks, hundreds of talk show hosts, hundreds of conservative columnists, millions of bloggers. We have dozens of partisan magazines and pundits, legions of 527’s and grass-roots organizations, and dozens of think-tanks. We have, ostensibly, our own damned cable news channel and so many right leaning editorial boards of newspapers I can’t even begin to count them. Memes that start in obscure blogs find their way onto the front page of allegedly liberal newspapers in the matter of two days.

We may be a lot of things, but persecuted victims we are not. To assert otherwise is to engage in a self-defeating flight of fancy that should be met with nothing short of outright ridicule.

32 responses to “Actually, people want you to lead”

  1. PBCliberal Avatar

    You may be right, that Howard’s confrontational style caused us to look for a more laid-back, conciliatory candidate, which we found in John Kerry. We were so anxious to rid the country of George Bush, so ready to hug the center, that we promoted a man who was accused of treason for his heroism by the Republican counseled Swift Boat attack squad and elected not to respond.
    Our reaction to what cost Dean the primaries cost us the election, and I hope we’re not ready to make the same mistake again. Anger management is a good thing, but it often doesn’t address the source of the anger, only the symptoms of it.
    Perhaps the reason the Republicans feel victimized, is that while they have control of the reins of government, they are losing the confidence of the people.

  2. JT Avatar

    Actually, we need someone who will lead and fight. Democrats have been cowards for too long. The “leadership” of the Party prior to Dr. Dean was laughable. You like to prattle on about a moderate revolution and all that, but what has moderation achieved for us? And don’t tell me it got us Bill Clinton for 8 years. There was an alignment of events in both ’92 and ’94 that helped Clinton into office while at the same time losing control of the House and Senate — that’s what moderation got us. I consider myself a very moderate liberal, but I don’t want a coward leading the party. Yeah, Dr. Dean’s remarks are not always the best, but he has done more to energize the base (the real party) than anyone before him in more than a decade. I don’t want someone who is going to back down and whine about Conservative control of the media; I want some who will fight for the Party’s ideals not cower from the likes of Tim Russert, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. You don’t seem to like Dean, fine. I was no fan of his during the primaries and hoped…HOPED!…he would not get the nomination, but I can also acknowledge his postive qualities — and he has many — and give him a chance to energize the grass roots and the establishment. Democrats need to stop attacking Dean and start working with him. Only then can you tame that “rabid underdog” quality you dislike so much.

  3. Horatio Avatar

    With respect, Jeff, what lost Dean the primaries was more a function of Democrats being afraid to get behind a fighter, rather than the fact that Dean is fighter. Of course, a fighter is exactly what we need.
    The most hilarious thing in this Dean hoo-ha, is that Republicans ARE pretty much monolithically white and Christian. It’s a true statement. So what’s the big deal?!?!
    Like Stevenson once said of the GOP, “When they stop lying about us, we’ll stop telling the truth about them.”

  4. whodat Avatar

    So wait, do you think Dean would have won? No wonder you guys can’t win an election. He’s a horrible candidate with what would have been a boring 1st lady. Kerry was also a horrible choice and his wife was rather uncouth during the campaign. Go find a real candidate. You guys couldn’t beat GWBush–wake up!

  5. SloppyDawg Avatar

    Dean is doing exactly what he’s supposed to be doing as the party chairman, being an attack dog and riling up the base. That’s his job.

  6. chuck Avatar

    PBCliberal and Horatio are why Dean is doing what he is. If they are indeed the majority that they think they are, if the election losses were due to uninspired Dems staying home and brainwashed plebes voting for the wrong guy, then Dean’s strategy is a good strategy. We will find out, no? As one of those ex-Democrats who voted for Bush, I confess that I think Dean’s strategy is terrific; it highlights many of the reasons I left the party.

  7. Mike Avatar

    chuck’s got it right. As a member of what people on this website would call the right-wing, I say Dean is exactly what you guys need! He says things that turn people off more than Rosanne Barr naked!!
    And I don’t think Republicans are playing the victim card at all, they may be asking for a little fair play in coverage though. Lord knows if the RNC chair said the congressional black caucas all look the same there would be hell to pay and it would be leading every news broadcast and on the front page of every newspaper!!
    I’m all for keeping Dean at the helm, he keeps shifting the center to the right.

  8. JRK Avatar

    Cole is wrong. Again. He’s the kind of so-called conservative that consistently goes all Sullivan on anyone that doesn’t agree with him. He always defends the MSM, believes (without any proof) complaints about torture at Gitmo (hey, it’s in the Al Qaeda playbook to complain!) and ignores the fact that whatever’s going on down there is nothing compared to the thousands dead. And whatever they’re doing down there…well, I haven’t seen another plane heading into the Empire State Building. War isn’t for sissies like Sullivan and Cole.
    As for Dean. Well, Dems up here in Boston hate him. With a passion. So, I say keep the guy. He’s why the MSM is hated (see previous post by Buzz.) The centrists sense he’s nuts; the MSM’s complicit apologias for the lunatic, Moveonorg, George Soros and Michael Moore wing now seem all the more disingenous. Who trusts the MSM? Besides John Cole?

  9. Right of Center Avatar
    Right of Center

    It is not about playing the victim so much as making sure his comments get the widest and fullest exposure as possible. This is certainly in the GOP’s interest. Every utterence like Dean’s most recent cause 10,000 Moderate Democrats (like I once was) to cross the line and become moderate Republicans.
    The ahrder the blowhard blows the bigger the tent gets in the republican party. Add this to other Tom Foolery of the left like Amnesty International’s recent myopia and we may have 60 in 06!
    Keep it up Howard (and friends) we are depending on you!
    6006!

  10. EverKarl Avatar
    EverKarl

    When Newt Gingrich was going around saying that Woody Allen and the psycho mother who drove her kids into a lake represented the Democrats’ take on family values, it was widely publicized, not least by the Democrats. It’s called sauce for the goose.
    Odd that certain people haven’t turned up here to defend Dean’s re-branding of the Democratic Party.

  11. John Cole Avatar

    He always defends the MSM, believes (without any proof) complaints about torture at Gitmo (hey, it’s in the Al Qaeda playbook to complain!) and ignores the fact that whatever’s going on down there is nothing compared to the thousands dead. And whatever they’re doing down there…well, I haven’t seen another plane heading into the Empire State Building.
    I don’t always defend the MSM. You don’t know what the hell you are talking. I bash ’em as good as the next guy when they screw shit up.
    And you are wrong about Gitmo- I don’t really care if the Koran was flushed, but I know that the people fighting us do, and I know the administration took great pains to avoid doing things like that, so if some soldiers did do it, or if there are reports it did happen, I would rather us examine it, publish the findings, and move on. Not, as you would have, just brush it off, blame everything on the damned media, and wonder why people keep strapping on Semtex backpacks and blowing themselves up.
    You do know that they have their own media in the Middle East. And the internets. Or are you really positing that the reason for all the violence in the Middle East is because two many Al Qaeda agents are reading the American version of Newsweek?
    War isn’t for sissies like Sullivan and Cole.
    Except for the almost ten years I spent in the Army and my trip to the Persian Gulf on our first visit there in the early 90’s, I would say you have a point. Guess I should go rip my combat patch off my old BDU’s. Do you have an adress for me to mail my medals to? I am sure you can use them, Rambo.
    You are an obtuse and offensive blockhead. Thanks for wasting everyone’s time.

  12. Oliver Willis Avatar

    Howard Dean’s job is to raise money, engage Democrats, and piss off Republicans.

  13. HA Avatar

    Oliver,
    If that’s Dean’s job, the Democrats should fire him immediately. He’s raised half as much money as the Republicans, pissed off Democrats, and delighted Republicans with his buffoonish trash-talking.
    The Democrats wanted a fighter when they picked Dean. They got one. Dean is the politcal equivalent of a washed up Mike Tyson, head-butting and ear-biting in a desperate and futile effort to compensate for long-lost skills.

  14. HA Avatar

    PBCLiberal,
    We were so anxious to rid the country of George Bush, so ready to hug the center, that we promoted a man who was accused of treason for his heroism
    No, Kerry was a traitor for illegally meeting with the Vietnamese Communist leadership in Paris while still in the Naval Reserves and then returning to the US and acting as their agent in his Congressional testimony.
    Kerry was a traitor for serving as an officer in the VVAW which was a KGB sponsored Communist front organization.
    Kerry was a traitor for spreading anti-American, KGB authored lies as part of the Winter Soldier “investigation” and in his book “The New Soldier.”
    Kerry was a traitor for taking part in a VVAW meeting where VVAW plotted assasinating Congressional representatives, failing to report this meeting to any authorities and then lying about it for over 30 years until FBI surveilliance records were released.
    Kerry was a traitor for supporting Soviet puppet regimes in Central America during the 1980’s.
    Kerry was a traitor for trying to gut every major weapons system that our country depends on for national defense.
    Kerry has never renounced or apologised for any of the despicable things he has said, and the treasonous actions he has taken over a period lasting more than thirty years. There is no basis to believe that John Kerry in 2004 was any different than John Kerry in 1971.
    John Kerry is terrible, disgusting, loathesome Communist sympathizer who betrayed his country.
    And the Democrats were so desperate to defeat Bush that they rationalized treason. John Kerry shouldn’t have been running for President. He should be serving a life sentence.

  15. Patricia Avatar
    Patricia

    HA, you are so correct. Dean has raised only half what the Reps have, and even my Dem friends wish he would shut up and do his job. Sure, he energizes the base, the same True Believers who doomed his candidacy and then the election by scaring away moderates like me.
    And screaming is not fighting.
    Anyway, for comic relief, his Huffington Toast post is priceless.

  16. anonymouse Avatar
    anonymouse

    Dean lost the primaries because he was the front runner, and the rest of the field attacked him relentlessly for a month, making “everyone’s second choice” John Kerry the victor in Iowa. The media then went to town on Dean for “the scream” (hey, if you can’t criticize his substance, go after his style)…
    Anytime the wingnuts on this site are saying that DDean is screwing up, Dean must be doing things right. Remember, these are the people who think that Bush is not screwing up left and right….

  17. Ed Poinsett Avatar
    Ed Poinsett

    Dr. Dean is going to have to convert a few of us red staters if the dems are to take power again. Just energizing the base is not going to cut it. Kerry was able to energize the base, but he scared the hell out of us, and lost the election because of it.
    As long as Dean hates us and thinks I’m in lock step with some nuts, he’ll never get any of us to sign up for dem candidates.

  18. Right of Center Avatar
    Right of Center

    So the logic seems to be “We lost the election – lets do MORE of the same!”
    Good luck with that!

  19. chuck Avatar

    anonymouse,
    Anytime the wingnuts on this site are saying that DDean is screwing up, Dean must be doing things right.
    Hey, I’m a wingnut and I think Dean is doing great. Aren’t you listening? Geez, one of the few things moonbats and wingnuts like myself agree on, and the damn moonbat says I think Dean is screwing up. Liar, liar, pants on fire.

  20. Josh Avatar

    Dems are lovers not fighters, hence their desire to make kissy face with saddam.

  21. Nathan Lanier Avatar

    Dean is doing exactly what he’s supposed to be doing as the party chairman, being an attack dog and riling up the base. That’s his job.
    And he is an endless stream of soundbites for rising conservative media outlets.
    You can lead the DNC, fire up the base, and raise money without throwing out the kind of rhetoric Dean does.

  22. Clifford Avatar

    Dean has proven himself to be a leader. But the center is looking for someone who will unify the country, rather than polarize it. I don’t see anyone who fills the bill. Lindsey Graham? Hil is smart enough but she has too much baggage and carries the curse of being a woman.

  23. Clifford Avatar

    Dean has proven himself to be a leader. But the center is looking for someone who will unify the country, rather than polarize it. I don’t see anyone who fills the bill. Lindsey Graham? Hil is smart enough but she has too much baggage and carries the curse of being a woman.

  24. Robert Brown Avatar
    Robert Brown

    Both parties need to use race baiting, stereotypes, and conspiracy theories to inflame the passions of the useful idiots in their base. Dean hasn’t figured out that one doesn’t do this on a national stage since it mobilizes the base of the other party against you and frightens off the adults in the center.

  25. franky Avatar

    Dean speaks to voters as if they’re adults. Some people like to be spoken that way and others prefer that their politicians talk to them as if they’re their fathers.

  26. whodat Avatar

    Anyone who thinks Howard Dean has even the slightest chance of becoming president needs a urine test and psychiatric evaluation.
    The Dems have lost their minds.

  27. IcallMasICM Avatar
    IcallMasICM

    ‘Dean speaks to voters as if they’re adults.’
    Name calling and screaming? Sounds more like 4 year olds to me.

  28. KeystoneBrooklyn Avatar
    KeystoneBrooklyn

    Lead? Fight? Lead where? Fight for what? For whom?
    I don’t care how Dr. Dean expresses himself. That’s really beside the point. But what kind of rhetoric would you have him utilize?
    Republicans have maintained or increased control of the Federal Government for all but two of the past 25 years using the politics of fear — fear of taxes, fear of communism, fear of homosexuality, fear of abortion rights, fear of terrorism, and now fear of judges, all the while using rehetoric that make Dean’s outbursts seem like mild rebuke.
    In response, Democrats have employed, for the most part, two equally lame tactics. They’ve either co-opted some of traditionally conservative issues, as Bill Clinton did with Welfare Reform, dragging the party further to the right and moving the center point in the same direction, or they have attempted to redress a conservative issue in Democrat clothing, as in attempting to portray John Kerry as a war hero who would protect America, which backfired spectacularly (whether or not this turning of the tables was based on nefarious lies or true evidence, as commenter HA outlines — I must confess, that’s the first I’ve seen such an outline!).
    No true “liberal” or “progressive” has a prayer of ever being elected to national office in our country, because The Center has moved so far to the right that Howard Dean’s vitriol is now portrayed, rightly or wrongly, as overwrought, hyperbolic ravings.
    What’s wrong with a little vitriol?
    I hear it spewing forth from conservatives every day against homosexuals, pro-choice women and anti-Iraq-War Liberals like me who think using our precious resources for terrorism defense in Iraq was never a good idea. (Recall, it took al Qaeda 8 years to regroup and hit the World Trade Center after the first attack in 1993. Just because there hasn’t been another attack in the U.S. since 9/11 doesn’t mean that terrorists aren’t right now finding new and different ways to attack us here at home. I fail to see how occupying Iraq will help prevent the next attack right here in America. Al Qaeda is not so naive as to expend the majority of their resources in an Iraqi theater against U.S. sodiers, which is being fought in a virtual western media blackout.)
    Dr. Dean may not hold wide enough appeal, but I’d rather listen to his rhetoric than John Edwards’ or Joe Biden’s deferential politeness any day. Republicans aren’t polite about denigrating liberals, and Americans complain about shameful, mudslinging pols of both major parties all the way to the voting booth where they vote for them in droves.
    I knew Democratic doom was sealed upon watching the Presidential debate in which George W. Bush baited John Kerry repeatedly about being a “Massachusetts Liberal,” and Mr. Kerry’s only response was a subsequent, non-verbal smirk before letting the barb slide by without a peep in defense of his public service to his own home state.
    So, I ask, what alternative to Dr. Dean’s Repuplican bashing would you like to see, Dems? Give me a passionate alternative, even if the particular candidate has yet to exist. I’m asking seriously here, so please refrain from the Ann-Coulter-why-don’t-you-just-pack-up-and-go-home-knee-jerk-liberal-baiting-slap-down.
    If GWB can express his conservatism passionately, if not grammatically, why can’t Dean hold the banner of liberalism high and wide?
    Another Democratic Cipher we don’t need.

  29. ronbo Avatar

    Keystone —
    Here are a couple of suggestions from a moderate Republican:
    1. Tell us what you’re for; we know what you’re against.
    2. Disagree with policies without disparaging motives.
    3. Agree with Bush when he’s right; otherwise you defend the indefensible.
    In other words, grow up. It’s bigoted of Dean to disparage people who happen to be religious, it’s crude to say that he hates Republicans, it’s just wacky to claim that bin Laden deserves greater due process than DeLay, but more than anything else it’s irresponsible. Your party’s leaders must demonstrate maturity and judgment before the nation will trust them. Dean doesn’t just turn off people in the center, he scares them away from your party.
    You have some strong leaders, such as the primary-proof Joe Lieberman, the dull Joe Biden and the untrustworthy Hillary Clinton. Is there really no one else?

  30. JTHC Avatar

    Well, it looks like there are four camps:
    (1)Dems who hate what Dean is doing. (2) Dems who love what Dean is doing. (3) Repubs who hate what Dean is doing. (4) Repubs who love what Dean is doing. The man is polarizing both parties–Shoot, with skill like that, perhaps Dean needs to start his own party!
    In any case, we won’t know until Nov. 2006 whether Dean’s recent performances help or hurt.

  31. Rootbeer Avatar
    Rootbeer

    Lord knows if the RNC chair said the congressional black caucas all look the same there would be hell to pay and it would be leading every news broadcast and on the front page of every newspaper!!
    Funny thing is, last week none other than Jack Kemp more or less corroborated Dean’s view, saying that the GOP couldn’t survive as an “all-white country club party”, and yet MSM coverage of HIS statements were virtually nil…

  32. whodat Avatar

    I still think there is a huge point being missed in regard to candidates: image, and more specifically, looks. Dean doesn’t have them and he comes off as a belligerent oaf with a wife who couldn’t even keep her cool during the campaign. Lieberman? Don’t think so. It was Tsongas until they pulled Slick Willie to the forefront. It was Bush with his southern twang and his pretty, classy wife. Kerry chose Edwards for his charm and boyish good looks. Find a politician that has the image first–insert agenda later.
    Barack Obama here in Illinois is the new media darling. I’m not saying he is ready for the presidency, but people like him–on both sides. Repubs only like Dean because he gives Repubs an easier victory.