It is relative

It is relative

: Cardinal Ratzinger issued his attack against “relativism” as the cardinals went into their conclave. Of course, one can easily turn that around and say that he was merely defending orthodoxy — his orthodoxy:

“We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism that has at its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires,” Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger told his fellow electors….

In his sermon, Ratzinger called on cardinals to defend Catholic orthodoxy and reject attempts to update or change church teaching. He did not cite any specific teachings under fire, but the church is struggling to deal with demands by many Catholics for changes in the rules banning contraception, married priests, ordination of women and expanded rights for gays and lesbians.

“Adult faith is not one that follows tides of trends and the latest novelties,” Ratzinger said.

He saved his harshest condemnation for “relativism,” which he said denies absolute truths. “Relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along by every wind of teaching, looks like the only attitude acceptable by today’s standards,” Ratzinger said.

He also defended fundamentalism, saying it was under attack because it was based on “clear faith.”

I harken back to a post I wrote a few days ago, saying that we are still going through the Reformation as Ratzinger et al defend an orthodoxy of (their) institutional authority and the religious right defends an orthodoxy of (their) reading of the word. Meanwhile, the reformers — myself among them — argue that we each must work to discern morality and God’s will the face of life (and if we did not, then, as someone pointed out on the radio this morning, the Catholic church would still be against usery and not against slavery and regarding slavery, the same could be said of many Protestant denominations).

This is not moral relativism. This is moral responsibility.

These are three radically different worldviews, so different that adherents to one have trouble understanding or even tolerating adherents to another. And the conflict is getting greater as the forces of orthodoxy and fundamentalism in many cloaks face an era of

This is an age when the individual is more empowered than ever. You can publish your message to the world from anywhere in the world. You can learn and start a business and organize a cause the globe around thanks to the internet. You can question authority.

In many spheres, we see the bearers of authority and orthodoxy fighting against this trend of empowering individuals. It’s happening in religion, journalism, media, politics, world relations, academics. And the dinosaurs roar.

: At NRO, Michael Novak praises Ratzinger’s speech:

This, Ratzinger fears, is a move back toward the justification of murder in the name of ìtoleranceî and subjective choice.

Along with that move, he has observed (havenít we all?), comes a dictatorial impulse, to treat anyone who has a different view as ìintolerant.î For instance, those (on the ìreligious rightî) who hold that there are truths worth dying for, and objective goods to be pursued and objective evils to be avoided, are now held to be ìintolerantî fundamentalists, guilty of ìdiscrimination.î

In other words, the new dictatorial impulse declares that the only view permissible among reasonable people is the view that all subjective choices are equally valid. It declares, further, that anyone who claims that there are objective truths and objective goods and evils is ìintolerant.î Such persons are to be expelled from the community, or at a minimum re-educated. That is to say, all Catholics and others like them must be converted to relativism or else sent into cultural re-training camps.

Charles Norman Todd at Freiheit und Wissen responds forcefully to Novak:

Novak argues that the success of the Nazis depended upon a culture that embraced relativism. Shocking, isnít it? Novak claims that in order for the Nazis to succeed, the people had to dismiss truth or meaning and embrace the individual will as the only source of significance.

Now, Novak is being sly here and he knows it. He knows that many on the Left see a tendency towards fascism in the current Bush administration. He also knows that many self-identified liberals think it would be dangerous to further integrate Christianity into the workings of the federal government, particularly into the judiciary system. And so, Novak attempts to rewrite history by saying, no, no, no, the real success of the Nazis had nothing to do with authoritarian rule or the merging of Christian rhetoric with politics, they were just modern day liberal relativists! And so, implies Novak, if you want to keep the dangers of Nazism out of this country, then you better reject relativism and embrace the absolute will of God. Scary, huh?

I cannot believe that Novak would have the balls to write something so perverse on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing in which a right-wing Christian terrorist massacred 168 people. It wasnít relativism that led to that bombing, but fanatical Christian extremism and the belief in an absolute truth.

11 responses to “It is relative”

  1. JennyD Avatar

    Moral relativism might allow one to be pro-choice and anti-death penalty, or pro-life and pro-death penalty.
    It allows you to think it’s okay to kill fundamentalists because they are fundamentalists. Or okay to kill civilians because they disagree with your fundamentalism.
    It allows you to shape your morals to fit the year’s orthodoxy (to butcher Lillian Hellmann).
    If that’s so, what would the opposite of moral relativism look like? I don’t know.

  2. Ruth Avatar

    Well, we have a new Pope as of 2 minutes ago. Funny it should be on Patriots’ Day. Hopefully this will be a deciding force. Certainly the press saturation would indicate a hopeful attitude by all the world.

  3. Lynn Avatar

    It wasnít relativism that led to that bombing, but fanatical Christian extremism and the belief in an absolute truth.
    Baloney!
    A perpetrators of such an act as the Oklahoma City bombing can claim to align themselves with anything or anyone they want in their
    sick, confused and deranged state of mind.
    It doesn’t make it so.

  4. TonyT Avatar

    “This is incredible: The head of the National Association of Broadcasters selfishly argues for extending indecency regulations to cable just because if he has to suffer under unconstitutional FCC censorship of free speech, he wants his competitors to as well.”
    not so incredible, really. he has a point– to a point.
    since the whole point of paying for content on either cable or the web is to get content (porn, real discussion of political/social/economic issues, etc.) which one cannot readily get on network TV and since the pay for content (esp. porn) industry is a multi-billion dollar a year industry it seems to me this horse is already out of the barn. i.e. congress can’t really try at this point to put the horse back in the barn.
    and let’s be honest: numerous so called “conservative” media companies are in fact making hefty profits from providing pay per view porn services in all major hotels in the U.S..
    so the real issue here is NOT policing pay per view porn– it’s political free speech, i.e. people like Howard Stern who a few months ago announced his move to satellite radio where he thought the FCC couldn’t hassle him anymore.
    is it a mere coincidence that just a few months after Stern made his announcement that the FCC started talking about regulating pay for listen/view services??
    I think not.
    the fact is that the right wing radicals currently in charge– the ones controlling the media in Iraq and other places really don’t relish the idea of being made fools of and ridiculed on a daily basis by someone like Howard Stern, and having it done right here in the U.S..
    Stern’s demographic is almost precisely the red state demographic: middle to upper middle income white males– millions of them happen to be avid Stern fans. ironically, until the radicals went too far and made Stern into a political/free speech football, Stern was actually a big supporter of BushCo. he at first supported the Iraq invasion because after all, “something had to be done about 9/11”.
    but once Powell junior started in on him with the huge fines– that was the last straw.
    in the months up to the 2004 election I listened to Stern almost every morning and nearly every morning he spent an entire hour lambasting Powell junior. and BushCo in general, calling them idiots and so forth. and this was resonating big time with Stern listeners who were calling in in droves and stating they were going to vote for Kerry.
    anyone thinking BushCo didn’t sit up and take notice of this is very, very misinformed.

  5. Evan Avatar

    Always amazed at how misinformed writers like Todd are.
    McVeigh was not a fanatical Christian. He was a self-professed agnostic who left the Catholic Church as a child.
    But making up history to support your prejudices is so much easier than facing reality.
    And a pox on Jeff for giving a forum for the lies, simply because he is opposed to Christian conservatives as well.

  6. Carl Avatar

    I thought tolerance might mean letting Catholics be Catholics, Muslims be Muslims, and Athiests be Athiests. As long as they each obeyed the law of the land what’s the problem? Is there some advantage to having everyone believe the same thing — no exceptions?

  7. TonyT Avatar

    “We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism that has at its highest goal one’s own ego and one’s own desires,” Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger told his fellow electors….
    is Ratzy talking about the neoclowns here?

  8. HA Avatar

    Relativism is the Creator of all Marxist-inspired totalitarian movements such as Communism and Fascism. It is the pre-condition for the “ends-justifies the means” mentality. It is rightfully condemned. Without relativism, Communism and Fascism never would have manifested themselves.
    I applaud the the new Pope for opposing relativsm. It is a sickness that is slowly killing us.

  9. Ruth Avatar

    Evan:
    Don’t you suppose the use of ‘Christian’ by Todd was a euphemism for ‘white northern European extraction’, to contrast with ‘muslim’ which often signifies ‘dark middle eastern extraction’? Obviously anyone who kills, especially largely innocent populations, is not Christian in the theological sense.
    Jeff’s giving a forum to many points of view is hardly regrettable. Do you suggest that he should avoid controversial topics in order to bottle up unattractive viewpoints?
    Write ‘Freedom of Speech is a basic American value’ 100 times on your own laptop right now.

  10. Evan Avatar

    Ruth:
    I don’t know whether to take your post tongue in cheek or not. I detect some sarcasm, but maybe it’s not meant to be there. If your post wasn’t meant to be sarcastic, here is my response.
    I believe in freedom of speech. However, freedom of speech does not mean that you should tell lies, or repeat lies that others tell. There is no evidence at all that McVeigh considered himself a Christian, or that he performed the bombing because of any Christian or religious belief.
    Yet there seems to be a pretty serious attempt going on now (most probably ignorant, some intentional) to tie McVeigh to some form of Christianity and the ‘religious right’. Left unchecked and repeated on sites like Jeff’s, and pretty soon you will have another situation like the widespread belief of the false story that James Watt wanted ‘all the trees cut down so Christ could return’.
    And if ‘Christian’ is now a euphemism for anybody of ‘white northern European extraction’, words truly have lost all meaning.

  11. Ruth Avatar

    The quote from Todd:
    “I cannot believe that Novak would have the balls to write something so perverse on the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing in which a right-wing Christian terrorist massacred 168 people.”
    Okay, he capitalizes ‘c’ in Christian, but I absolutely do not see that any rational person can associate the paramilitary groups that McVeigh belonged to with actual religion. The White Power groups themselves use the word “christian” to refer to northern European ancestry, not to be confused with belief in Christ. No sarcasm.
    Understood, there are extremes of freedom of speech and sometimes my jaw drops at the spewing of mindless prejudice of either side. But I do believe there is more threat from suppression of diverse beliefs than from outrageous extremes of opinion. It has been the nature of this site and most that have rational commenters/visitors to balance each other and imho give a healthy check to the truly rabid.
    Make that 50 times.