Volksmedia

Volksmedia

: How do you like that name for all this: Volksmedia?

Yesterday, I was reading a big story about citizens’ media in Focus, the German newsmagazine — about Flickr, blogs, and all that — and they translated the phemon into the german as Volksmedien.

I like that. It has a funky, retro, populist, Volkswagen feel, of course, with that buggy attitude. NYTimes Executive Editor Bill Keller complained that “citizens’ media” — my moniker of choice, was a bit pretentious or at leas presumptuous. I don’t disagree. He proposed “people’s media,” but that seemed all too Internationale to me. I once called it “populist media,” but that brings too much baggage.

So how about volksmedia?

: LATER: Well, this one laid an egg, judging by the comments.

I’d be curious to hear German bloggers react to the reaction.

: NIGHTTIME UPDATE: Well, a couple of German bloggers don’t like the idea.

: Jim Treacher proposes “wedia.” [I was lazy and didn’t give him a link so here is a link, a very long link….]

66 responses to “Volksmedia”

  1. tonynoboloney Avatar
    tonynoboloney

    jeff, how about ” Civilian’s media ”

  2. Seth Finkelstein Avatar

    Sounds like a German newsmagazine itself. (“As Volksmedia reported …)

  3. paul_lukasiak Avatar

    I guess I’m still not over that whole Holocaust thing, because “volksmedia” just has too many fascist overtones for my taste. (Yeah, and I know its pretty silly, but that was my immediate reaction to seeing “Volksmedien”.)

  4. alcibiades Avatar
    alcibiades

    Too Germanic and offputting for Jews.

  5. richard mcenroe Avatar
    richard mcenroe

    And like the original Beetle, it tends to spontaneously combust…

  6. jonny goldstein Avatar

    Maybe we should call the US media volksmedia—goes well mit zee Germanically tinged Department of Heimland Zecurity.

  7. BigFire Avatar

    Re: paul_lukasiak
    Yep. As soon as I saw that, I think of Hitler’s promotion of Volkswagen in the 1930s. Yep, Ferdinand Porsche really enjoy those slave labor.

  8. Gregg Avatar

    “People’s Media” is too Internationale?? And you think “Volksmedia” is an improvement? (see comments above)

  9. Bevonovo Avatar
    Bevonovo

    Volksmedia sounds like something designed by the “bigs” to be given to the “volk”. I prefer “micromedia” or “smallnet”.

  10. Tom Avatar

    How about Jarvismedia?

  11. Michael Avatar

    Tin-eared much, Jeff? How about Reichsmedia? Has pretty much the same ring.

  12. Michael Zimmer Avatar

    must it be a “media”?

  13. Tony Avatar

    Who will be the first to mention a tin-foil hat?
    Personally, I’m ok with volksmedien/volksmedia. I drive a VW, so like Jeff, that’s the connection I made. I see how it can be interpreted differently, but I think that might be a tad touchy. Not wrong, just infused with meaning that I don’t think is there. Not everything has to carry the guilt and weight of the past.

  14. Dexter Westbrook Avatar
    Dexter Westbrook

    Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Jarvis.

  15. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    By this rationale, Volkswagen is out of business.

  16. Eileen Avatar

    Ugh, yuck and how awful – no offense, Jeff.
    Maybe someone should start a namethatmedia.com, take in suggestions, organize a vote and PR campaign.. Kidding. Or not?

  17. Hubris Avatar

    Sorry Jeff, but I have to agree with others including paul (which, by the way, I’m noting in my Diary of Personal Surprises for today’s entry). If any term carries baggage, it’s “volk.”
    Volkswagen was kinda stuck with it, but there’s no need to append it to a new term.

  18. zeppenwolf Avatar

    “People’s Press” ?

  19. Eileen Avatar

    “Augusta Press” ?

  20. Brian H Avatar

    Volksjabber? Rootsranters? Distribuzz? The line between cutesy and plain-and-usable is hard to find, it seems!

  21. Gregg Avatar

    “People’s (those with internet access, computer literacy, free time) Press (communication tool for linking to what someone else said while adding one’s own 2 cents)”

  22. Michael Zimmer Avatar

    what’s wrong with “blogs”? its short, catchy, easy to remember…

  23. The Nightwatchman Avatar
    The Nightwatchman

    FolksMedia

  24. Little John Avatar
    Little John

    Jeez, what a bunch of loonies. Put the same comments to a different language source and you’ll be hung out to dry for racism. As you should, even in this case. I’d be embarrassed for a German ever to read this idiocy.
    “Volksmedien” works just fine, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it caught on, since Germans are beginning to blog furiously in response to their insanely slanted major media.

  25. Michael Zimmer Avatar

    this is following the common trend of naming a new technology in terms of the old (often by negating part of its original features): “horseless carraige” or “wireless”
    don’t get stuck by holding onto the “media” handle. this doesn’t need to be defined as “something like the existing media, but of the people.”
    think about its formal features: connectivity, conversational, global, informational, etc. blogs are an interface more than a medium; they bring people and ideas in contact with each other.

  26. Michael Zimmer Avatar

    More on blogs as interfaces: Blogs as Information Interfaces

  27. Robert S. Avatar

    Why feel like you hafta completely germanicize it? How about “folksmedia”?
    Nothing against the German language, which I’ve enjoyed studying; I just think “folksmedia” works and it’s English.
    Or try “folkmedia,” but the absence of that “s” does make it sound a bit too much like folklore. Of course, in many cases, that connotation might be deserved.

  28. Charlie (Colorado) Avatar
    Charlie (Colorado)

    Jeff, I’ve got to admit I didn’t find “Volksmedien” all that disturbing. It reminds me more of “Volkswandern” … cheery Germans on a party, not “ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuehrer”.
    As I recall, you lived in Germany too, so maybe that’s what’s up here.

  29. Robert S. Avatar

    “folksmedia” also reminds one of “folksonomy,” a not unrelated term

  30. Jim Treacher Avatar

    How about we-dia? Although I don’t hate volksmedia as much as everybody else. Looks small from the outside, but it’s surprisingly roomy…

  31. Robert S. Avatar

    Good idea, Jim, but when you put it that way, I think, just adding a hyphen to “media” might be even more accurate.

  32. Michael Zimmer Avatar

    Do you want to define the tool, or that which it facilitates? The Internet is not called “people’s computers” or the “folks network”. Rather, it is talked about in terms of what it creates, the space it enables: “cyberspace”
    Is this a blog, a folkmedia? Or is it something more than the sum of its parts: a conversation, a space where information is shared & critiqued? “Infospace” “Idea-space”

  33. Robert S. Avatar

    Actually, I think “cyberspace” is one of those words applying to the Web that are increasingly flalng out of usage. That list also includes “information superhighway” (when’s the last time you heard that one?)and World Wide Web. Why use any of those, when “Web” or “internet” work so well? Interestingly enough though “the net” also seems to have fallen largely out of favor.

  34. Easycure Avatar

    Media of Ones

  35. Eileen Avatar

    “Do you want to define the tool, or that which it facilitates?” Ideally, both. WeWeb; WeNet…
    Meanwhile, here’s a toast to go with your stein ‘o green – Happy St. Patty’s Day!:
    May the face of every good news
    And the back of every bad news
    Be toward us

  36. Amy Avatar

    It really is so anachronistic to immediately consider anything German as pertaining to fascism.
    I think Volksmedia is a nice, descriptive expression, though I’d be open to further ideas. Jim Treacher’s we-dia is nice (but maybe suggests something a little idealistic).
    It has long been natural for a language that lacks an appropriate term to absorb a word from another language. Why not so with this? It’s about time we Americans/British woke up to the fact that German is utterly different to Nazi, and that it is offensive to relate fascism to today’s Germany.

  37. Jonathan Avatar

    I agree Volksmedia doesn’t do it. “Idea space” is not bad. I do think we need to do better than Citizen Journalism. You’d be surprised, but a lot of the citizens out there are actually quite intimidated by the idea of being a journalist. When they sit down to write, they find that this journalism thing is not an entirely unskilled profession after all. At least that’s my read from some of our early efforts.

  38. Jim Treacher Avatar

    “Good idea, Jim, but when you put it that way, I think, just adding a hyphen to ‘media’ might be even more accurate.”
    Well, like we-dia as opposed to them-dia. Sorta-dia.

  39. Ruth Avatar

    As for me and my house, we use ‘blogdom’, has a nice interface of medievalism with innovation, and refers to community.

  40. Hubris Avatar

    It’s about time we Americans/British woke up to the fact that German is utterly different to Nazi…
    Amy, it’s not that I automatically associate Germans with Nazis, it’s that certain terms (in every language) have unfortunate negative connotations. If there is a town called Hitler, Indiana you wouldn’t want to name the high school basketball team there the Hitler Youth, even if the phrase would be entirely benign in that context (and that doesn’t mean you have something against Germans).

  41. Michael Zimmer Avatar

    “blogdom” connotes a kingdom, which is a top-down hierarchy. not a good term for the blog’o’sphere.

  42. Hale Avatar

    Running with Jim’s We-dia….
    My ideas, and then I shoot them down myself..
    Feed-ia: too narrow? Feeds, etc.
    Free-dia: freedom to publish, read, communicate… in contrast to old print, which would be…
    Tree-dia: for the things they kill to publish to the masses
    Wikidia: Just… no.
    Pajamedia: Oooooh.. the more I read it and say it, the more I like its defiant tone.
    Blogdom: good conceptually and fun to read; strange to say and will probably not catch air
    Platypus: I need a reason?
    Goredom: um, nevermind

  43. Bob Avatar

    If there is a town called Hitler, Indiana you wouldn’t want to name the high school basketball team there the Hitler Youth, even if the phrase would be entirely benign in that context
    I agree in principle, but your illustration is also effin hilarious!

  44. bill Avatar

    What’s with all the freaking out over a German word?
    “Oh my God, he spoke German! It’s like they have a word for killing everything!”
    First thing volksmedia reminded me of was “volksmarch.” It’s noncompetitive walking, by the way. Take a look at ava.org

  45. Hubris Avatar

    Thanks bob.
    bill, again, it’s about the connotation, it isn’t about whether the connotation is fair or not. That’s what naming consultants and branding are all about. If a substantial segment of people have a negative reaction, why use it?

  46. Jim Treacher Avatar

    Pajamedia!

  47. Sebastian Keil Avatar

    @hubris: but why do you connotate “volks” with Hitler so much? If the driver of a VW has a mustache, do you automatically assume he’s a Nazi? I hope not.
    @jeff: I read the article, too, and was very surprised that they covered the things you mentioned quite in-depth. I doubt that many Focus readers have a clue about what’s going on in the web these days.
    @everybody: having made my point regarding the Hitler-connotation, I have to reject “Volksmedien”, though. I don’t think flickr, del.icio.us and wikis are media in the sense it is meant. Furthermore, the prefix “Volks” is pretty much taken by the yellow press “Bild”. It sells product with the label “Volks”, almost establishing a brand: Volkscamera, Volkscomputer, Volksinsurance, of course assuming the position “Volksnewspaper” themselves. Which as the most read publication in Germany they sadly are.
    Sorry for the furious use of quotation marks.

  48. Ruth Avatar

    Michael Zimmer:
    You sure? I thought it connoted the opposite of kingdom.
    Hale:
    Thanks: ‘strange to say’? But my tastes are eclectic.

  49. Hubris Avatar

    Sebastian,
    Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Actually, all it takes is the mustache, regardless of what they’re driving. I automatically assume they’re either a Nazi or a suave private investigator living rent-free on a high-end Hawaiian estate.

  50. Ed Poinsett Avatar
    Ed Poinsett

    I cast my vote for WikiMedia

  51. Hubris Avatar

    Seriously, volk is kind of a loaded term.

  52. Sebastian Avatar

    i find it funny that you link to a site called Ideology of Death, but that’s not my cup of tea and also off topic.

  53. Hubris Avatar

    “Ideology of Death” is a characterization of the Aryan myth underlying Naziism, which I would venture to say is fairly accurate. But hey, I’m kind of a radical.

  54. Gregg Avatar

    Blogs are nothing like wikis. Besides, Wikimedia exists.

  55. Michael Zimmer Avatar

    Agreed. Wikis are participatory within a particular site’s content. Blogs are participatory only through comments and cross-linking.

  56. richard mcenroe Avatar
    richard mcenroe

    Blogarchy.
    And every man, woman, and Steven Levy a blogarch…

  57. Chan S. Avatar

    Farfegnugen. Seriously, though, “citizen’s media” is a fine term–think of it as aspirational rather than worrying about whether the (cough) paper of record thinks it’s presumptuous or pretentious–and you should stick with it.

  58. David Crisp Avatar

    So isn’t blogging a medium, rather than a media?

  59. Seth Avatar

    “wedia” sounds so much more 21st century and hip, although people may assume you have a speech impediment.

  60. Perun Avatar

    Volksmedia or Volksmedien for Blogs & Co. = Good Idea.
    —-
    BTW, your Comment-Popup is realy not usable with Mozilla 1.7.5 :-(

  61. Tom Avatar

    “The Internet” has a certain ring, don’t it? Been that way for couple decades now…

  62. richard mcenroe Avatar
    richard mcenroe

    Since the MSM has arrogated to itself the status of unofficial fourth arm of the government, why don’t we call everything else the “Civil media”?
    Why, yes, I enjoy ironic humor, why?

  63. tonynoboloney Avatar
    tonynoboloney

    After reading 60 comments on the subject I have come to the conclusion that I will continue to call it “blogging” on the “blogoshpere” and what I am reading is “blogs”. If it aint broke don’t fix it. TONY

  64. Jim Treacher Avatar

    “‘wedia’ sounds so much more 21st century and hip, although people may assume you have a speech impediment.”
    Or that you’re trying to describe an incident where you put your tongue in a weedeater.

  65. Brian Cubbison Avatar

    There probably won’t be just one word to describe warbloggers, catbloggers and Livejournalers, but here goes:
    Journal-ism
    Peer to peer media
    Volunteer media
    Peeps media
    Fleegle
    Snork