Does God have a sense of humor?

Does God have a sense of humor?

: The LA Times writes that the so-called Parents Television Council released a “study” purporting to show that TV and heathen Hollywood are hostile to religion.

I talked to the reporter and said: First, Brent Bozell’s group does not speak for America. Second, so what if there are shows with negative views of religion? There’s no rule against that. That’s what we call free speech. Those points were quoted in the article. I also said that it is ludicrous to think that entertainment should be created by quota; writers do not and cannot sit down and say that they have to have something nice to say about religion (or whatever your cause is) today; it’s their job to entertain, not to preach the PTC gospel.

I’m glad the LA Times reporter, Lynne Smith, took the time to call two critics of the PTC to get another perspective. Others did not. And so, once again, media is swallowing the PTC’s nonstory without questioning it. Thus, an impression is created that, first, TV is anti-religion and, second, that there’s some movement out there determined to do something about it.

Even PTC’s own numbers don’t tell the story they want to tell: Of references to religion they found, “22.1 percent were positive, 24.4 percent negative.” I wouldn’t call that a heathen conspiracy. And what PTC calls negative is often laughable.

Let’s look at what the PTC thinks are negative references to religion on TV. The real finding of this study is that the PTC has no sense of humor or irony:

On the 31st American Music Awards, November 16, host Jimmy Kimmel gives his audience a brief list of rules, which concludes,

43 responses to “Does God have a sense of humor?”

  1. Mr J Avatar

    “Second, so what if there are shows with negative views of religion? There’s no rule against that.”
    Sure there is: the ‘invisible hand’. There’s clearly a huge market for religion-friendly media (stuff like VeggieTales, the Omega Code films, Touched by an Angel, Creed, etc. do very well) and almost no market for stuff that’s more or less hostile to the faithful.
    Yet…for some reason a Hollywood Midas like Mel Gibson has to finance his own Jesus film while cack like Nothing Sacred gets a PT slot and Saved! gets a solid month of commercial promotion on CS. You’d think these guys would be throwing money at anyone with a Bible and a script, but apparently the Power of Christ makes faith-based lucre burn in the palms. It’s kind of like how television news dropped the ball and let Fox go to #1.

  2. paladin Avatar

    Somehow I don’t think the answer would be “Lighten Up” if the disparagement was toward gays, blacks, women, etc. No, the Christian religion and straight white males are two of the groups still allowed to be bashed with impunity.

  3. Greg Avatar

    Jeff, since you reference your Catholicism occasionally, exactly what kind of Catholic are you? Where are you getting the “He can laugh even at Himself” idea? I’m not casting doubt on it but I have no idea what your theology is. It would help to understand where you’re coming from. It seems to me that your faith has little to do with your life, other than a possible motivation for your work to build tools for free speech in repressed countries, which is very laudable on its own.

  4. Angelos Avatar

    Let me break out my violin for you paladin.
    It’s the Christians who bring it on themselves. You go around, full of piety, preaching your fairy tales, trying to run my life. Well, fuck you, I’m going to make fun of you, ridicule you, and criticize you.
    People who watch, and send money to, the 700 Club, TBN, and all these other false prophets? Morons. The prople who run those channels? Charlatans and criminals.
    All those supposedly religion-bashing quotes are so tame. Really, PTC et al, get over yourselves.
    “A priest on the October 2 episode of Without a Trace is found in a hotel room with a woman. Only sheets cover the couple, implying a sexual affair. (CBS)” Yeah, like that’s never happened.
    Spare me your fucking hypocricy.
    Religion is the most widespread form of organized crime in the world. The Mob WISHES they had that kind of reach. It’s the job of clear-thinking people everywhere to spread the word, and illuminate the stupidity.

  5. Angelos Avatar

    God made me do it!!!
    Ridgefield father Edwin B. Baxter asked God for mercy and a judge for understanding Wednesday as he faced sentencing for an attempted circumcision on his 8-year-old. Baxter said he was inspired to cut his son after reading Scripture and first consulted his wife.
    Baxter likely will appeal on the grounds that [Judge] Rulli did not let him use his Christian fundamentalist faith as a defense, but Rulli cast doubt that argument will fly.
    “The court has steadfastly held that you can’t jeopardize the health and safety of your family because of your religious beliefs,” Rulli said.

  6. carsonfire Avatar

    This post would be irony-free if at the same time we weren’t also experiencing censorship of religious speech in many quarters, absurdly in the name of religious freedom.
    Yes, in order to escape religious persecution, our forefathers fled to this county so they could ban religious-themed floats and punish children for saying “Merry Christmas” while making hip japes on TV about how stupid Christianity is.
    Additional: As I’m writing this, Angelos’ post pops up, further illustrating the absurdity of all this: freedom of religion means “You f*cking hypocrites shut up!”

  7. Jerry Avatar

    PTC is being intentionally intellectually dishonest. Their own website labels the press release “PTC Study Finds Hollywood Slighting Americans’ Overwhelming Belief in God,” yet their longer story “Faith in a Box” categorizes these alleged outrages missing an obvious distinction: the positive and neutral columns almost always describe belief itself and people’s relationship with god. The negative columns almost always describe organized religion, the imperfect practice of it, and its misuse for political motives.
    When this shines through their own report so clearly, can PTC be so blind it can’t see the real slight Americans are suffering at the hands of standards and practices at the terrestrial networks? Networks are afraid to make any negative statements about Americans’ belief in God. PTC already has what it claims it has lost.

  8. John Thorpe Avatar

    We all have a right to our own beliefs, including the so-called profane and the so-called offensive. It isn’t just “lighten up”. It is “quit pushing your religion on me, cross-boy”.
    This includes trying to dictate how TV folks choose to portray religion. Don’t like it? Take all the money you give to your church and build your own network. If there are millions of you, it shouldn’t be that hard. Then you can air all the lovely after-school specials your little heart desires.

  9. Eric Berlin Avatar

    How well would YOU do as a PTC censor? Take this quiz and find out!

  10. Angelos Avatar

    They already have have PAX, John T. Where do you think I get my “Diagnosis, Murder” and my “Matlock”?
    And yes carsonfire, “You f*cking hypocrites shut up!” is my position in life. Not just religious nuts, but politicsians, cops, etc.
    I have nothing against religious individuals. You can do whatever you want in the privacy of your home. Pray however to whomever. You can go to a church with like-minded people, and rejoice in what you have in common.
    That is your freedom of religion.
    You know what MY freedom of religion is?
    I can NOT listen to some slobbering moron on Fox talk about Hollywood and the Jews and yada yada yada.
    I can enjoy a nice sloppy blow job without worrying about being a sodomite.
    I can tell the Witnesses who knock on my door that I don’t have time to talk, I’m just about to ass-rape Satan. They LOVE that! (He does too.)
    I can live a good, happy life. Work hard, play hard, drink a ton of wine. Mmmm, wine… I can give time and money to charity. Travel, golf, photography, more wine. I can do all the good things I can afford, and I can do it all without god. Amazing, huh? Life still goes on. However do I manage, without a book of fairy tales to guide me?
    So yes, carsonfire and the like – Shut. The. Hell. Up. We just don’t care. Until you start to get pushy. Then all bets are off.

  11. Richard Avatar

    My biggest problem with the PTC study is the conclusions-
    “[portrayals of religion] 22.1 percent were positive, 24.4 percent negative.
    Most of the religious content on prime time broadcast TV was neither positive nor negative. 42.3% of religious treatments on TV were neutral, meaning that the treatment was ambiguous or contained insufficient context.”
    So with those numbers, how do you conclude that television is hostile to religion? In addition, their own study found that FAITH was treated overwhelmingly positively, while RELIGION had the negative portrayals (and not a majority either). So, the networks respect beliefs and faith, but “ridicule” the man-made institutions of religion. What’s the problem?

  12. paladin Avatar

    You mischaracterize me, Angelos, I am neither religious not a straight white male. What makes me rain fire and brimstone is hypocrisy, both left and right. Angelos, who is forcing you to only view religious right ANYTHING? Just as you don’t want the right to press their views on you, so does the right not want the left to press their view on them. The only problem is the liberals own the media, movies, tv, and the press. The right has felt the left has pressed their views on them for decades, and I agree with them. For the left now to howl hysterically that the right is trying to dictate to them is delicious! As I’ve said, if the left is going to dish it out, they gotta take it.The right is fighting back, and I applaud them. We need more diversity in the media, not less. I’m sure Angelos, Jeff Jarivs and their ilk only want their views aired. But it ain’t gonna happen because that’s not free speech, baby—-deal with it!

  13. Richard Avatar

    The liberals own the media? You mean liberals like GE (NBC), Rupert Murdoch (Fox), Disney (ABC), etc.? Liberals do not own the media, although a majority of reporters/preformers tend to lean left. But if the owners had a problem with content, they could choose not to produce it. However, they worship what all Americans worship- dolla, dolla bill ya’ll. So, when Americans stop watching “obscene” and “indecent” shows, “moral” programming will rule the day. Don’t hold your breath though.

  14. paladin Avatar

    I agree,Richard, but apparently even liberal parents are concerned about what their kids watch on tv, movies, video games, etc.,but they don’t have the will to do anything about it. Only the right is fighting back, and for that they are excoriated.

  15. john Avatar

    “The right has felt the left has pressed their views on them for decades, and I agree with them.”
    ROTFL… I’m sorry… I don’t think I’ve heard anything so ridiculous in quite some time. Whatever the right “feels” does not make it the truth. If we’re that concerned with feelings, then lets’ all sit down and sing Kumbaya together.
    I’m so sick of this right/left crap… it only spreads fear that the other side is “winning” and therefore, send money to your favorite political party before “they” take all of us over. The truth is, neither the right or the left is correct, but we’re all somewhere in-between.
    I’m not sure what I find more ridiculous… the idea that Religion is “censored” in this country, or the belief that in flooding the media with stories about religious censorship there would be any “righteous indignation” about it from anyone.
    Listen up… no one cares! If you’re religious, good for you, you have the constitutionally granted right to worship however you want. If you’re not … good for you too, you have the constituionally granted right to not have anyone’s religion shoved down your throat by the government.
    Now why don’t we all just shut up and play nice together?

  16. carsonfire Avatar

    That’s odd, Paladin. I’m not particularly religious, either. I think Angelos and the like must see the world through assumptive stereotypes in order to support their “everybody else but me is a hypocrite because you’re religious and I can chortle about getting blowjobs” worldview.
    And Richard, take a peek at that wonderful Choose the Blue website. Murdoch’s Fox gives more to Democrats than Republicans (FoxNews being more a clever exploitation of a void in the market than a political movement). The major publishing houses are all blue. We know that Hollywood is blue. It’s really weird that FoxNews and Regenery have to exist in order to give right wingers more than just a token voice in media, and yet their existence to the left somehow proves the converse, that they own media.
    If the right wing owned the media, what’s this Bozell bozo on about? Wouldn’t we already have made those changes on our own?

  17. Angelos Avatar

    Do you even read what you’re typing paladin?
    First, enough with the liberal media myth. Immediately, you lose credibility when you spew that shit, because you know it’s not true.
    If there were a liberal media, maybe Bush and Co. would be a little more hesitant to perpetrate their continuing defrauding of America. A liberal media would scream bloody murder about how Social Security “reform” is actually Social Security “destruction”, that will put us further in debt, enrich Wall Street (even further), and result in millions of poor retired folk.
    And that’s just one big lie.
    When you say “Just as you don’t want the right to press their views on you, so does the right not want the left to press their view on them”, do you really not see how wrong you are? The religious and righty wingnuts WANT to control what everyone watches. THEY want to censor everything we read, see, hear. THEY’RE the ones we read about trying to ban books that have “positive portrayals” of gays. THEY’RE the ones who use lies and fear to control the mindless peons of Amrerica who follow them. Hell, that’s the whole strategy! The less education, the less capacity for independent rational thought, the more likely to believe that you can get pregnant via mutual masturbation, or AIDS from tears, as printed in a recent “health” pamphlet.
    “The right is fighting back?” Back against what? Freedom of expression? Freedom of speech? If your idea of “fighting back” is to stop someone from doing what you don’t like yourself, that doesn’t strike me as very American.
    Let’s see here:
    Liberal flips to Fox News or CNN, says to himself, what a bunch of idiots, and flips away to something else.
    Conservative flips to NBC, sees something “offensive”, like a Greek statue, and mounts a letter-writing campaign, rails about it on O’Reilly factor, and wants to ban art books, because there may be nudes in there.
    Yeah, those are almost equivalent.

  18. Angelos Avatar

    From the “American Family Association”:
    “The children of America and those who love decency need your help.
    FCC Chrm. Michael Powell has asked that no action be taken against the ABC stations that aired over 20 uses of the “f” word and at least 12 “s” words during “Saving Private Ryan,” which shown during prime time last month.
    Powell’s reason for taking no action opens the door for broadcasters to show any type programming. He believes there should be no action because the use of the profanity was part of an accurate representation of the events depicted, and this made them acceptable.
    Using Powell’s reasoning, a show about the sex life of two homosexuals would be free to show graphic sex because it would be an accurate representation of their sexual activity. There would be no limits regarding what could be shown and the law regarding indecent material would be meaningless. Any program, no matter how indecent, could claim that the material was needed in order to be an accurate representation.
    If Powell can get only two other Commissioners to agree with him, then the networks and local broadcasters will be free to show anything. Everything they show, no matter how indecent, could be classified as being an accurate representation. That is what they have been wanting for years. Powell is only two votes away from giving the broadcasters their desire.
    The movie could have easily have been edited for TV, but ABC refused. Powell is now defending ABC’s move, making it possible to open Pandora’s Box on program content.”
    Yup, the “s” word is equivalent to explicit gay sex. Funny, this letter writer didn’t seem to have any problem with the EXTREMELY violent first 20 minutes of the movie. Just the “f” word and the “s” word. Hell, who cares about soldiers dying? Who cares if my 6-year old sees someone torn in two by a grenade? Just don’t say “shit”.
    See, a liberal parent would see the disclaimer, and turn the station. Education = choice. The AFA and all these other conservatives who want to save us from ourselves, they see the disclaimer and want to shut it down. How DARE someone else enjoy this gritty, realistic portrayal of combat? It might remind people of the carnage going on right now in the real world, and that would be bad. War is all a bunch of sanitized, sweet-smelling roses, when the people who make it don’t have to serve, anyway.

  19. Angelos Avatar

    My blowjob comment had a specific inspiration, from a news item I read today:
    The Army has now said sodomy is OK. Previously, it was considered a crime for members of the armed forces to engage in oral or anal sex, even if it was consentual and regardless of whether it was a straight or gay hook-up.
    This part of the transcript from the trial struck me as funny. I think its the word ‘actually’ that the judge uses that makes it seem that she just can’t quite believe what she’s hearing. A penis … in a woman’s mouth … why, what will they think of next.
    According to the transcript, quoted by the court, the judge asked Bullock, “Tell me exactly what part of your body went into what opening in her body?”
    “My penis into her mouth, ma’am,” Bullock responded.
    “And you actually penetrated her mouth with your penis,” asked the judge.
    Bullock responded affirmatively.
    ————–
    No, not the penis in the mouth! OMG OMG OMG. WWJD?!?!?

  20. Thom Avatar

    Calling these things hostility looks like a disguise to me. What needs disguising is the fundamentalists

  21. rick d Avatar

    Do you suppose the PTC folks said,

  22. Daniel Carlson Avatar
    Daniel Carlson

    I was raised and continue to be a Christian, so I feel I should say a few things.
    1. Sorry about all the people claiming to speak for me who don’t; you can never trust an organization with the words “parents,” “family” or “values” in the title.
    2. Sorry specifically to Angelos, who it seems was somehow harassed in the past by an uber-conservative Christian. I and my other Christian friends don’t force our views on anyone. Although I have no way of knowing what (if anything) happened to you, I still would like to apologize on behalf of whatever nutjob got to you. It’s the crazy ones, and the ones with TV shows, that give the rest of us a bad name.
    3. Many, many, many Christians are confident enough to survive without needing to go crying to the PTC or the FCC. I love movies: most of my favorites are rated R for reasons that would frighten hardline conservatives. I don’t change the channel if a show features nudity or rough language; I change the channel if the show sucks.
    4. I do not support the president or his decisions, and am ashamed that so many people see him and assume that everyone from Texas is that uneducated and mentally unbalanced. I didn’t vote for the guy.
    I enjoy the site, Jeff. Keep up the good work.

  23. paladin Avatar

    Well, all this conversation has been enriching, especially what passes for intellectual argument from the left, and I quote Angelos: “Shut. The. Hell. Up.” and from john, “just shut up”. Hey, I’m convinced! However, no one has addressed my question as to why the above examples that Jeff cited would be considered un-PC if the butt of the joke was gays, blacks or women instead of Christianity.

  24. Richard Avatar

    I understand your point Paladin, but I think one difference, at least to me, is that being gay, black or a woman is something your are born as and have no control over. However, Christianity (and any other religion) is a belief system, a way to view the world, and those are ALWAYS fair game for criticism. And I would point out, a lot of this discussion is criticizing a specific group of Christians, not all Christians. I have no problem with Christians like Daniel above, I do have a problem with the ones who want to mold public policy to conform with their narrow world view.

  25. Thom Avatar

    paladin you didn’t point out the people who didn’t say “shut up.” You’re cherry-picking.
    And I agree with Richard.
    You can give an intellectual response to a question about being Christian. Or to mocking for being Christian, or Muslim, or whatever.
    You can’t give an intellectual response to questions about being black, female, or gay. You don’t have a choice but to be those things. (If you don’t believe that about being gay, fine, but that’s a different argument. You put gay, black, and female together.)

  26. John Thorpe Avatar
    John Thorpe

    I would like to add that my advice would also be for the cross-huggers to Shut Up. My name was excluded before.
    PS I’ve been a Republican since I was 9 and I voted for Bush. But this Christian Coalition/taking back the culture thing is crap and needs to stop. My god, you people will run all the decent folks out of the party if you keep up this “I want to run your life” attitude.
    We’re the party of freedom and opportunity. Act like it.

  27. john Avatar

    paladin, while I appreciate you referencing my comment to “just shut up”, I don’t really think that was the point of what I was trying to say. The whole sentence was “Now why don’t we all just shut up and play nice together?”, perhaps I should have put stress on the “play nice together” part instead of the “just shut up” part.
    I think Thom and John Thorpe and Richard have it right. The issue isn’t about Christian-bashing, but rather the volume of the noise from groups like the PTC whose motives are dubious.
    And in my opinion, to answer your question, it may be un-pc to make the same kinds of comments about gays, women, or blacks as the stuff that’s said about Christians, but that doesn’t stop people from doing it. Just yesterday, the Salvation Army claimed that “homosexual groups” are responsible for Target stores removing the traditional red-pot-holding-bell ringers from taking donations in front of the stores. There was no mention of specific groups or any real evidence, just that “homosexual groups” were responsible for the decision (which Target denies, and of course, without any specific group mentioned, no one can sue the Salvation Army for slander). This was picked up on the AP and reported by CBS news among others. It’s pretty clear that while it’s un-pc to make these comments, they’re still made and they’re still broadcast, so why is this any different than a little good natured Christian bashing? Also, the Gay and Lesbian Anti-defamation league tracks negative mentions of homosexuality in mainstream media just like the PTC tracks swear words. There’s also an anti-defamation league for Jews as well.
    The work of the ADLs is a whole lot more valid than the PTC because 1) There is real, tangible persecution today against gays, women, jews, blacks, etc. 2) The last time there was any real persecution of the Christians, Nero was the emperor of Rome. and 3) being nice to gays, jews, women, etc. doesn’t harm Christians and in fact is actually something Christians are supposed to do.

  28. Kat Avatar

    What do you call REAL persecution? Hmm? In Sudan Christians are enslaved. In Iran they are assassinated. In Cuba they are imprisoned. In China they are beaten to death.
    In more than 60 countries worldwide, Christians are harassed, abused, arrested, tortured or executed specifically because of their faith. 200,000,000 Christians throughout the world live in daily fear of secret police, vigilantes, or state repression and discrimination. And now it’s happening in America–the ACLU police are persecuting Christians–no symbols, no green or red cookies for kiddies, no Christmas songs, no Christmas trees, fired by Macy’s if you return a Merry Christmas greeting, branded as religious nutjobs , rightwing religionists, etc. etc. etc. Yes, they are persecuted by Christianophobes from the lunatic left. It’s ok to have gay pride days but Christians can not be proud of who they are.

  29. carsonfire Avatar

    See, I can’t tell who’s in a bigger moralistic snit… Bozell and Co., or Jarvis and Co. While Bozell’s crowd may not be admirable, they have a right to opinionate and to follow the same tactics as any other advocacy/protest groups. I read the attacks on them, though, and I read fear, hatred, and paranoia. Fear: fear that our rights are being taken away; hatred: calling people hypocrites because they hold a different point of view, and are allowed to express it in a free society; paranoia: a seeming belief that anyone who isn’t also bloodshot-eye angry about it is by default a bluenose religious hypocritical prude.
    There is palpable anger in these posts. Nobody here needs to shut.the.F.up, but many of you need a reality check. If you’re on the left, your side still controls a major portion of the media pie… you just do, I don’t care how much you yell that you don’t, or how much you think the campaign donations of General Election have anything to do with the politics of network journalists, rank and file. Hollywood continues to crank out as much sex and violence as you please from directors and actors who are openly liberal; you can download as much porn as you want on the internet; you’re free to complain that liberal journalists aren’t really liberal because they’re not as fringe-crazy as DemocraticUnderground; TV remains a wasteland, but is a wasteland that broadcasts far more anti-kid fare than ever before; major publishing houses still aren’t thrilled with right wing books, and although they are not quite as censorial about them as they have been in the past, their sympathies are still quite clearly with the liberal mindset; discrimination against right wingers in academia is documented; and we still have elected Republicans who feel they need to betray their constituents and align themselves with popular liberal media opinion… in the face of all that, you have to whine about a nanny group making some noise?
    I’m suspecting that this has more to do with post-election frustration than anything. You all failed to unseat Bush, and Rush Limbaugh survived the painkiller attack, so now you’re directing your anger at smaller potatoes. The media have swivelled their target sights at Rumsfeld; leftist bloggers and talkers now have to satisfy themselves with ranting about Bozell and Malkin.

  30. John Thorpe Avatar

    OK Carson, if this is all left-wing post-election frustration, how am I in the mix? I voted for Bush and have been a Republican since I was 9 (18+ years).
    I’m happy Bush won — I’m a big fan of maximizing the number of dead terrorists. I also happen to think the founding fathers were serious when they wrote the damn Constitution — a document which grants us all the right to live and let live.
    In other words, if you want to be a Christian and only want to watch Falwell TV, cool beans. More power to you. But don’t you dare try to censor the airwaves — turn the channel if you don’t like it. Or band together with all the other Christians and form your own network. There’s enough Christian Capital out there for your own networks.
    Get off your knees, get off your ass, and do something positive about it, other than complaining to big poppa gub-mint about what I watch.

  31. Kat Avatar

    Re the Target comments–it may be unpc but it is true.
    According to the AgapePress report, Rick Garcia, director of the homosexual lobby group Equality Illinois, recently admitted that activists have pressured Target to stop supporting The Salvation Army.
    A story in the homosexual publication Washington Blade published last year describes a three-year boycott of the Salvation Army’s Christmas fund-raising outside retail stores. “Gay rights groups continue to target the Salvation Army’s red kettles, hoping to persuade the Christian charity organization to end its anti-gay policies,” reads the Blade article.

  32. john Avatar

    Kat, you give rightwing nutjobs a bad name… I can’t believe even they would want to be associated with you… we need a new category for you so your toxic illogic doesn’t misrepresent nutjobs everywhere.
    First and foremost about persecution… it’s real, it’s palipable, and it’s lethal for gays, jews, blacks, and many other minorities in THIS country (the USA, in case you forgot). I challenge you to find one credible account of a Christian being beaten up for being Christian in the US in the last two hundred years. As for the so called persecution of christians in other countries, most of the persecution is performed on Christian MISSIONARIES! These are people who choose to go into fundamentalist Islamic areas and attempt to convert people to Christianity. Not only are these people not supposed to be there, they are warned to not come, they are not welcome. The idea that you would equate their persecution with persecution of people in countries that have freedom of religion is repugnant. And, if you want to play the numbers game with it… if you took all of the Christians that have been persecuted in the last 1000 years, it would still add up to only a tiny percentage of the number of Jews that were killed in the Holocaust not more than 60 years ago.
    as far as the Agape Press report… at least now has someone to sue for slander for naming a specific name and making false charges. And anyone that claims to be “Reliable News From a Christian Source” at the top of their web page makes me wonder why anyone would doubt they’re reliable? Why make the statement if your news isn’t suspect?

  33. John Thorpe Avatar

    Well, come on now everyone. That’s going a bit far. Let’s keep our eyes on the ball here. The point is that the cross-huggers want to censor TV.
    And there is persecution of a lot of religious people worldwide, including Christians. I wouldn’t want to be a Christian in China or Africa, for example — missionary or otherwise. And as far as America goes, minorities have it better here than anywhere else. Even in the midst of a war against barbarians we haven’t seen any campaigns of violence or even intimidation against muslims.
    A couple of isolated incidents — perhaps. But nothing on the scale predicted or perhaps even expected.
    I’m on your side regarding censorship and liberty, but maybe it would be best to keep the anti-Christian stuff to just needling, rather than blatant hatred.

  34. Ryan Booth Avatar
    Ryan Booth

    I challenge any of you to read David Limbaugh’s Persecution and say with a straight face that Christianity is not under attack in America by Hollywood and the left.
    John, your argument that the persecution of the jews has historically been worse is silly and irrelevant. Persecution of Christians isn’t bad because the Holocaust was so much worse? Please.
    John and Angelos, those missionaries who go other parts of the world or those who knock on your door do so because they love you and are concerned for you. They aren’t doing it for money or anything else. As a Christian, I wouldn’t be offended if someone came and tried to convert me to Buddhism — I would be honored that they cared enough about to try to share what they believe to be the truth.
    How could anyone hate such love?
    Yes, it is unfortunate that many non-Christians think that Jerry Falwell speaks for our faith. True Christians were repulsed by his attempt to blame gays and the ACLU for 9/11. If you believe that he represents my faith, then you can’t have many Christian friends.

  35. Uncle Mikey Avatar

    I have one bit of advice to Bozell and Wright and their coreligionists:
    Lighten up.
    I’m sure they’d say the same to you. You protect the first amendment to a degree that seems absurd and unnecessary to others, aren’t they allowed to do the same with their religion?
    Again, what is it that you wish to do that you think Bozell and company will keep you from doing? What do you actually fear?

  36. Penta Avatar

    I’ll say this: You’re all insane.:-)
    One: Yes, PTC has…issues.
    Two: Yes, liberals DO control the media.
    Three: Yes, TV is anti-kid these days. I’m (newly, as of 4 days ago) 21…No kids, but plenty of younger relatives.
    I would hate to be a parent these days. How the *hell* is one expected to raise sane, vaguely moral kids? TV is, as Newton Minnow called it, a “vast wasteland”. (He said that in 1961, BTW…)
    So is most other media.
    I’m left thinking, intellectually, that regulation is bad.
    However, instinctively…Damn…If the media won’t hold themselves back, someone else has to.

  37. Kat Avatar

    John, the real nutjob is you. Don’t preach to me about the Holocaust–there were more Christians who died in the Holocaust than Jews–I have relatives who died –they were not Jewish–they were Christian and Ukrainian. Ukrainian lives were close to equal or greater than the Jewish lives lost. The majority of Jewish lives lost were in street executions, roundups, and the concentration camps. The majority of the Ukrainian lives lost were in slave labor, starvation, and executions. So while more Jews lost their lives upon entering the camps, more Ukrainians were worked to death or shot outside the camps. 20 million people died in the holocaust–millions were Christians. Any idiot knows that.
    And you lose the bet–I have no time to search, but off the top off my head, I seem to remember that the hitlist for the Columbine shootings was number 1-Christians, 2-Athletes, and 3-people of different color.
    You think you are such an intellectual, but in reality you are an uniformed little man. You give leftwing nutjobs a bad name.

  38. hugh jorgan Avatar
    hugh jorgan

    Meow meow meow.
    — rant —
    When will those on the far right wake up and realize that most of the reasonable left don’t really give a shit what the right worships, or how they worship? That is the beauty of the US of A. You can pretty much, for the time being, do what you want. If y’all want to continue to believe that the world began 10,000 years ago…more power to you. Ignorance is bliss.. It really doesn’t bother us. Just don’t try to jam that farcical crap into the *public* school systems. We’ve all seen ‘Deliverance’, home school is your friend.
    If you really want to do yourself, and us on the left, a favor…sell your f*ing TV, stop taking all the “unproven” medicines that those non-faith based scientists came up with and let the Lord do his magic. I’m sure you are pure enough that His Will will cure you. Or……are you one of those that believes only up to that point where reason & logic takes over but claims otherwise in public?
    If, like I fear, you really can’t give up your lithium and chemo, at least stop bitching about the fact the rest of society wants to evolve past the 50’s and doesn’t really care if a few titties and fucks are thrown around the public airwaves in the process.
    Oh yeah…Kat….you need to put down the remote, let go of Google and get out more.
    — /rant —
    jj…sorry for the rant…had a bad day. merry christmas all.

  39. Gunny Avatar

    “They produce the potting soil that leads to persecution.
    And not just any old potting soil, but Weed B Dead, the miracle soil that grows your plants and vegetables so fast and strong that gardeners in the know have dubbed it “The Viagra Of Potting Soils”…
    Sweet mother of pearl, the man needs at the very least a hobby and at most a life.

  40. Jimmy K. Avatar

    On the 31st American Music Awards, November 16, host Jimmy Kimmel gives his audience a brief list of rules, which concludes,

  41. Steve J. Avatar

    Thanks for posting this. I had heard about the report but I probably wouldn’t have looked into it myself.
    Like the hysteria over “saving Christmas,” this is just another whine from the Wingnuttery. These people have to whip up their constituents with lies and distortions otherwise they’d be less likely to vote.