You-know-who for President

You-know-who for President

: This is less an endorsement than a confession.

Some folks have told me I should write an endorsement post since I said it was a good idea for bloggers to go on the record and reveal their votes (and many did). The idea wasn’t really to endorse or convince anyone else which way to vote but simply to be open and transparent, to give context to what we write. I thought my views were clear: I’ve said for months that I’m leaning toward Kerry and that I’m not happy about the choice. But, for the record, on election eve, I’ll share with you my electoral anguish:

If I were to vote cynically — oh, and this year, it is tempting — I’d vote for Bush because (a) then we’d get Hillary in four years, (b) if not, we might get Rudy in four years, (c) I could ascribe my vote to my obsession with terrorism and security, and (d) I’d prove myself to be one really open-minded Democrat. This year’s choice may deserve a cynical response. But this year’s issues do not. They deserve the most serious response; that is why so many people have registered and will vote. The issues are too damned important.

If I were to vote habitually — and that’s the easy, reflexive way — I’d vote for Kerry simply because I’m a Democrat and I agree with his side on most issues. And besides, I could argue that we, the people like to hedge our bets and have one party in the White House and the other on Capitol Hill as the most practical check and balance; others are saying that. But the world has changed. Old habits mean nothing today.

So I start where I have to start: with terrorism and security. Understatement: I prefer Bush’s hard-ass militancy to Kerry’s huggy world test. I prefer someone who knows that we are at war, a world war, and that we have to fight it even if we must to do it alone. I’m OK with the Patriot Act and when I get pulled aside for extra screening at the airport (which I was Friday), I thank them. I do not believe that the Bush or Clinton administrations are one bit at fault for 9/11; the terrorists are. I saw what those bastards did that day and say we should stop at nothing to stop them from doing it again. Obsessed? You bet I am.

If I were singularly obsessed, that would be that: Check Bush; make Jersey a swing state. But even I cannot argue that only one issue matters. There’s more.

There is Iraq. I supported the war, for different reasons than the President’s. I still stand by the Tom Friedman doctrine — even if he doesn’t — that says the reason to go into Iraq was (a) to get rid of a tyrant and (b) to establish a foothold for democracy and civilization in the Muslim Middle East. By the way, that only makes Friedman’s paen to George Bush the elder on Sunday all the wackier, for if only that Bush had finished the job in Iraq, we would not be facing this mess today; we might even have a decade-old democracy in the heart of the Middle East. Some say George the junior went into Iraq to make Dad proud. I think it’s more likely he went in to clean up Dad’s mess.

In any case, I supported the war and stand by that. But I also believe the aftermath has been mucked up miserably: We did not anticipate the “insurgency” and as a result did not devote sufficient resources to bringing peace and democracy to Iraq.

That’s bad enough. What’s worse is that the president refuses to concede mistakes and fix them. That worries me most.

And there are plenty of other issues where I disagree with this president; I’ve gone through them before and won’t bore you again. But a lame-duck Bush with a Republican Congress can do real damage; if Bush appointed Ashcroft and went after gays and stem cells without a mandate and with concern about getting reelected, imagine what he would do without fears? I fear that.

So what about Kerry? I think he’s a dreadful candidate, a miserable mix of metaphors: cardboard, rubbery, oily, cottony, synthetic.

I do agree with him and his side on many more issues than Bush and his side. I don’t think he has given us enough detail on his plans, especially how he’d pay for them. But when push comes to shove on health care or the Supreme Court or social issues, his center of gravity leans my way and that’s the way he’ll fall. That’s important.

I do not think he is sufficiently aggressive on terrorism or Iraq; that, too, is sadly an understatement. I was OK with him getting the nomination precisely because he did vote to authorize the Iraq war. But his flip-flop left me flopping like a catfish in a drought. I also despise his world-pandering policy. The French, the Germans, the Russians, and the U.N. will do nothing to help us; they have amply proven that.

But I also do not believe that Kerry can or would abandon the security of America or even Iraq. He, too, must win. After attacking Bush’s execution of the fight so strongly, the pressure on him to succeed is only greater. Feet, meet fire.

Every time I think about terrorism and security, I move to Bush. Every time I think of any other issue, I move back to Kerry. I never said I was undecided; I didn’t want to join that wishy-washy fraternity. Instead, I tortured myself. And you’ve witnessed that torture, poor you. The two or three of you who’ve been here since the start — if you’re still here — have seen my political journey since September, 2001 — from pacifist to hawk. Now you’re stuck witnessing my political journey in circles. But that’s blogging. Some folks asked me what I was going to do and now I’m torturing them with this post. Sometimes, you can have too much transparency, eh?

Buttom line: I remain likely to vote for Kerry. That’s what I’m planning to do when I walk into the voting booth. I reserve the right to shock myself and I’ll tell you what happens.

But in either case, let me tell you the one lesson I have learned these last four years as I’ve bounced around like a political pinball: No matter which man wins next week (or even if it’s next month), I’ll support him… and I’ll criticize him.

83 responses to “You-know-who for President”

  1. Martin Devon Avatar

    The post sounds like it was written for someone who was going to vote for Bush. Go ahead… you know you want to…

  2. pianoman Avatar

    I’m pretty sure Jeff is voting for Bush. He was too close to 9/11 not to.
    He’s not alone. Liberal hawks all over the U.S. are agonizing over this decision. There’s lots of anecdotal evidence to suggest numeous hardcore Dems are “crossing the line” this year due to two major factors: 9/11 and blatant Kerry media bias.
    If Kerry wins, it validates the politics of dirty voting practices and personal destruction. Plus, the billionairess will be First Lady for four years. Horrifying prospects.

  3. Soybomb Avatar

    Do you really want to vote for Kerry? He has had such kid glove treatment by the media that he is ripe for a fall after he is elected. At least with Bush, you every terrible little thing. The media has white washed this man’s history leaving his skeleton’s hidden in the closet. This will make him a very weak President and the media will not be able to save him then.

  4. Downtown Lad Avatar

    I like your reasoning.
    I voted for Bush last time, but can’t bring myself to vote for Kerry. I’m going to vote Libertarian (Badnarik).
    Downtown Lad
    http://downtownlad.blogspot.com

  5. Mike G Avatar

    I voted for John Anderson in my first presidential election. Soon I regretted I had helped elect the evil Reagan. Later I decided I had been wrong in many ways about Reagan. Either way, a vote for Anderson was a waste of everyone’s time. My belief is that it is irresponsible, bad citizenship, not to look hard at the guys with an actual chance of winning and force myself to decide between them, just as they will find themselves having to make decisions where the two choices are far from the best options they could imagine.
    So that rules out all the other guys. We come down to Bush and Kerry. I keep hearing that Bush has totally bungled Iraq. Curiously, this is often said by the same people who say Bush is a total bungler of everything. Does Afghanistan look like a bungle right now? It looks like it jumped forward 500 years in three, if you ask me. Suddenly I start to think that just maybe, Iraq is about as well off as humans, fallible humans, would ever have made it in this situation.
    Perhaps that’s too optimistic. But let’s assume that Bush has not really bungled it as badly as the people who always want to see the worst in him say. Give him a C+, now let’s look at the other guy. He too has had chance after chance, this year, to convince me, reflexive liberal that I am. And… he’s failed to do it. If he wins my vote it will only be because Bush seems obviously worse and he’s the best remaining choice. And… well we all have to decide that, but can you honestly say that Kerry even rises to B-? His every instinct seems off, his history is against everything hard and militaristic we have to do and keep doing for the next few years. He is the man who will get us out of Iraq, the man who will make sure we do nothing to piss off Iran or Syria, the man who will give them the breathing room to regroup for the next big attack. What evidence is there against this view? That he shot a duck the other day? That he says “kill” a lot?
    Then we come to the intangibles. Four more years of Bush has a lot of unpleasant aspects, but four years in the wilderness might be a wonderful thing for the Democrat party. Indeed, they might exit the wilderness in much better shape than the Republicans will exit the White House, purged of the nuttiness that hangs around Kerry’s neck right now. I would not elect a president just to piss off Michael Moore but it’d be a nice fringe benefit. Take the long view and four years in which Bush continues to reshape the world in his viewpoint while the Democrats develop a truly forward-thinking alternative is a much more appealing option than four years in which the Democrats get to drive in reverse and pretend nothing has changed. Better for the world, better for liberalism.

  6. am Avatar

    ugh. You’ve completely missed the biggest issue.
    Yesterday the national legislature in Tehran unanimously passed a resolution calling upon their government to resume uranium enrichment. They then had a rousing little session of chanting “death to America”. How hard is it to put two and two together, for heaven’s sake?
    Is you’re not asking “which candidate is most likely to prevent the mullahs from getting nuclear weapons” then you’re just not paying attention.

  7. Oliver Avatar

    “Every time I think about terrorism and security, I move to Bush.”
    Until the day I die, I’ll never understand that. My main opposition to Bush is that he’s made a royal mess of the war on terrorism and our security.
    Anyhow, here’s my endorsement of Kerry. (as you know, I’m for blog transparency: *cough* Reynolds *cough*)I specifically made it pro-Kerry, and never mentioned that other guy’s name at all.

  8. tony Avatar

    “Every time I think about terrorism and security, I move to Bush…”
    even though Bush attacked iraq and got us stuck there?
    how does invading iraq make you feel like bush knows the first thing about fighting terrorism? and how does his insistence that he did the right thing make you think that he wont invade other countries that have nothing to do with terrorism and/or 9/11?

  9. The Lonewacko Blog Avatar

    Every time I think about terrorism and security, I move to Bush.
    I think I understand why people might think that way. It’s kinda similar to when Bush says the following at a campaign rally: “on the Fourth of July, we confirm our love of freedom, the freedom for people to speak their minds, the freedom for people to worship as they so choose. Free thought and free expression, that

  10. Privacy Watch Avatar
    Privacy Watch

    The best reason not to vote for Bush:
    If Bush can’t see a single mistake he has made then he is doomed to repeat every single one, forever.

  11. gaw3 Avatar

    Jeff, I appreciate your post enormously– and your earlier posts scolding both candidates for losing their respective chances to lock up this election. I’m strongly for Kerry, but more than that, I hope for the return to the public domain of ardent and fair political discussion. I think blogs have that potential.
    Again, congratulations, and do the right thing on Tuesday.

  12. Derek Avatar

    I have issue I that you might have missed. It’s pretty obvious that the MSM is going to the floor for Kerry (CBS twice and never investigating Kerry’s lies) and is doing everything it can to beat Bush. Now it sucks that it’s doing this and I believe it hurts our democracy for these kind of things to happen. I would love to punish them for their acts, but in truth, I think it would be better if they would simply stop. Now to my question: Which candidate winning will make this kind of thing less likely in future? Any ideas?

  13. Derek Avatar

    If Bush can’t see a single mistake he has made then he is doomed to repeat every single one, forever.
    Bush has admitted he has made mistakes (Kerry’s the guy who has never admited that: The secret service guy who made him fall? lol) but I think your point is mostly aimed at is occupation of Iraq.
    Bush has changed course a couple of times in Iraq. The original plan was to use both the army and the Iraqi National congress to control the country and get it back on its feet (the Neo Con plan). This did not work out to well. The policy then shifted to occupation and rebuilding while they tried to figure things out. This led the Iraqifacaction policy (I.E. make the Iraqi’s our allies to win) that we are currently fallowing. This was one of the few ideas that worked well from Vietnam. This is a not a fast way of doing things, but ultimately it should be effective.
    Bush had been able to change course and try different things when his initial strategy is not working. Same thing with how we are dealing with North Korea (Policy has change 3 times I believe). The important point is not to take or give blame for a mistake, but to learn and fix the problems created by these mistakes. Bush has done this. Your point is incorrect.
    A better question about Kerry, how can you bet on a man who has been on the wrong side of history every single moment of his life? That

  14. carsonfire Avatar

    But I also do not believe that Kerry can or would abandon the security of America or even Iraq. He, too, must win. After attacking Bush’s execution of the fight so strongly, the pressure on him to succeed is only greater. Feet, meet fire.
    There is *nothing* in Kerry’s record that suggests that his feet can be put to the fire about anything. He shows no regret for his own actions, and, indeed, seems to excel at blaming others. He’s blamed not only that secret service agent for being in his way, but has blamed members of his campaign staff for his own shortcomings on the campaign trail. And he has never shown any remorse, let alone acknowledged, that his words were used against POWs in Vietnam. It’s a non-issue because Kerry Can Do No Wrong.
    Kerry in Iraq is a nightmare waiting to happen. He is guiltless, and therefore all bets are off. All carnage resulting from foolish pacifism and an early withdrawal will be blamed on Bush for having got us there in the first place. Inaction to future terrorism will be greeted with a reminder that Bush failed to get OBL.
    And I can just imagine the finger pointing that will ensue on account of his lackluster, Carteresque economy.

  15. Steve Rhodes Avatar

    You have quite the crystal ball.
    The truth is none of us know what will happen with Kerry. Certainly nobody could have predicted what would happen with Bush four years ago.
    I do think Jeff is right that he will work hard to prove he can fight terrorism better than Bush as he has promised. He has to because if he doesn’t, he will be a one term president.
    He’ll do better than Bush in Iraq, but then Bush has been a disaster in Iraq. I find it hard to understand why anyone could vote for Bush after watching Frontline’s Rumsfeld’s War (it is online at pbs.org/frontline ). But only a few million people have seen it.
    And the MSM is not going to the floor for Kerry.
    Coverage of Bush has been more critical, but that is because of the events of the last year. Read Michael Massing’s book Now They Tell Us: the American Press and Iraq for a good analysis of the coverage from before the war through June.

  16. Derek Avatar

    What a bunch political BS. Rumsfields war! I have seen such a biased hit peice sense f911. Good lord, you base your vote on political propaganda? Stupid.

  17. Derek Avatar

    Dude, when someone runs for president, their lives get sent thought the wringer with a microscope shoved up there ass. All things present, past, and future are examined. And it’s the way it should be because we need to know what these guys are made of before we put them in office.
    This has not happened with Kerry. He is the amazing can say anything and not be called on it man. The man said the other day he did not even know what botox is. He lies about the dumbest things and the media ignores the skeletons in his closet. Kerry brought up the Vietnam War; did the media investigate what he did during and after the war? Nope. All this shit will come out though. Once the election is over, all this garbage they have held back on will come flying out, never you worry. Oh and for the record, I don’t know what you can call a document written on Microsoft word passed off as 1970’s memo by a major news organization as anything other than going to the mat to beat Bush and put Kerry in office. Nuff said.

  18. HA Avatar

    Jeff,
    But I also do not believe that Kerry can or would abandon the security of America or even Iraq. He, too, must win. After attacking Bush’s execution of the fight so strongly, the pressure on him to succeed is only greater. Feet, meet fire.
    Have you even looked at Kerry’s post-Vietnam activities? Have you even looked at his Senate record? Have you even looked at what his anti-terrorism advisors are saying? Because if you had, there is no logical way that you could have made such an assertion.
    Have a look at Kerry’s counter-terrorism blueprint:
    http://www.tcf.org/4L/4LMain.asp?SubjectID=1&ArticleID=498
    Here is a direct link to the summary:
    http://www.tcf.org/Publications/HomelandSecurity/clarke/clarkesummary.pdf
    Significantly, in evaluating U.S. progress in neutralizing the jihadist movement, we need to acknowledge that the war in Iraq has been deeply counter-productive to the greater effort. As a sin of commission, the Iraq war alienated crucial allies in the battle against jihadists, made friendly Muslims into skeptics, made skeptics into radicals, and created a sanctuary for itinerant jihadist insurgents. Iraq had no strong connection to the terror threat facing the United States and Saddam’s removal has done nothing to lessen the threat we face from al Qaeda and the jihadists. Perhaps the most vivid demonstration of this point is that a year and a half after Saddam’s removal, the terror alert in America remains unchanged and there is anticipation of a major al Qaeda attack within the next few months. The simple fact is that even if Iraq magically turned into a stable, secure democracy today, the United States could suffer another 9/11-type attack tomorrow.
    …
    The United States should not withdraw from Iraq before idigenous security forces are in place, but should cease U.S. military operations against urban areas, transfer rebuilding activities to Iraqi entities, and reduce U.S. goals in Iraq so that a withdrawal can be achieved at an early date.
    Can you say cut and run? That is what Kerry’s advisors have just said.
    Leaving Iraq without finishing the job would be a tragedy for America, Iraq and the world. Yet that is exactly what the people who are advising Kerry are proposing. And that is exactly what Kerry will do. This analysis lays the groundwork. If people like you and Sulli who supported this war think otherwise, it can only be attributed to delusion.
    You owe to yourself and your readers to review the analysis by the Century Foundation and reconsider your intention to vote for Kerry. I’ll be shocked if after reading that report that you could still vote for Kerry.

  19. Halley Avatar

    And all this time I thought you were going to vote for Jon Stewart! What happened?!?

  20. HA Avatar

    Oliver,
    Anyhow, here’s my endorsement of Kerry. (as you know, I’m for blog transparency: *cough* Reynolds *cough*)I specifically made it pro-Kerry, and never mentioned that other guy’s name at all.
    At least Reynolds has a *cough* visible means of support *cough* other than being a paid shill for David Brock and John Kerry.
    I will never understand why people take you seriously.

  21. HA Avatar

    Jeff,
    One more thought before I head out to work. This whole Bush “mismanaged the war in Iraq” meme is a focus-group conceived, poll-tested line designed to appeal to wavering Democrats like you who supported the war in Iraq, but are otherwise inclined to vote Democratic. I’m surprised that a media-savvy person such as yourself finds it persuasive.
    The bottom line is that Bush has handled the war superbly. Have there been setbacks and mistakes? Of course. That happens in war. War involves taking risks and sometimes those risks work against you. Sometimes the risks weren’t worth taking. And you can be assured that should Kerry become president, he will studiously avoid taking any risks at all in the war so that the zero-defect standard he has applied to Bush doesn’t get applied to himself.

  22. Richard Meixner Avatar
    Richard Meixner

    I think the qando.net have it right in their post on the Bosox fan for the ages. The man has an imagined ability to be “here, there, and everywhere….”.

  23. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    Those who claim that the Iraq war is mishandled or that Bush is screwing it up are invited to name a neater war.

  24. Lenny Avatar

    Kerry is not the perfect candidate but who is. He is flawed but he is a whole lot more thoughtful and a whole lot more skilled than that idiot Bush. Bush

  25. Penschool Avatar
    Penschool

    “Those who claim that the Iraq war is mishandled or that Bush is screwing it up are invited to name a neater war.”
    That one we decided it wasn’t a good idea to start in the first place.

  26. Roy Lofquist Avatar
    Roy Lofquist

    The “Nazi Wolves” were a problem for 5 years after the defeat of Germany. Japanese holdouts were killing people in the Pacific for 30 years after the surrender of Japan.
    This after the total and utter defeat. The “insurgency” in Iraq is part of an ongoing war that that will not end until all of the terror supporting states are no longer (terror supporting).

  27. HA Avatar

    Lenny,
    The plan in effect was to loot the country and exploit the chaos for Halliburton’s benefit.
    You chant the Halliburton mantra, and think Bush is simplistic? Hmmm.

  28. Brett Avatar

    You’re no more likely to vote for Kerry than Kerry is likely to lead our military with cold efficiency in the protection of our country.
    Vote to protect your family, Jeff. Ultimately, that’s what matters.

  29. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    Hey, Penschool, I get your point.
    The one we decided not to start in the Rhineland in 1936 was just smoooooth.
    Wasn’t it?

  30. Lee Avatar

    on “neater wars” : War isn

  31. Angelos Avatar

    “One of the keys to being seen as a great leader is to be seen as a commander-in-chief. My father had all this political capital built up when he drove the Iraqis out of Kuwait and he wasted it.”
    “If I have a chance to invade… if I had that much capital, I

  32. Steve K. Avatar

    It seems to be a popular sentiment, but I’ll add my two cents:
    I have no confidence in Kerry to defend America. And so what do any of the other issues matter if there’s no America left to defend? Sorry if that sounds like a political ad with ravenous wolves, but it’s true. Bush will protect America and fight for the freedom of oppressed peoples in other parts of the world. Kerry will not. Bottom line.
    I’m voting for Bush, and you should too, Jeff. Whichever way you end up voting, one thing is certain: I’ll keep reading your blog, and I’ll still disagree with you about some things ;-)

  33. Lenny Avatar

    No war is neat. War is a horrible, horrible process that should be forced upon us and not entered into on purpose. 911 did force war upon us from enemies that were not the country of Iraq. We are killing innocent victims in Iraq because of our anger at a nebulous enemy. The enemy who frustratingly runs and hides. The enemy is using our preemptive war as a rallying and recruiting place. We are fighting a mind set and by bombing and killing innocents we are solidifying that mind set. (Innocents are what we euphemistically call collateral damage.) There was considerable literature available that predicted the course of the Bush administration

  34. Blueprint Avatar

    Jeff, I don’t understand you. If you are voting on terrorism as an issue, how could you vote for some one (shrub) who walked away from the war on terrorism (in Afghanistan) to make war on a country that was the enemy of that country (Iraq) and brought so many Americans into the line of fire, that it’s approaching another twin towers’ death total? When 3500 have died in Iraq, will we have equaled OBL in atrocities and leave?
    I don’t get it.

  35. Kory Avatar

    I really don’t understand people who support the Iraq War, but claim that its execution has been totally mismanaged or incompetent. Whenever I press them to explain this ‘incompetence’, it always comes back to ‘we needed more troops’; more troops to stop looting, more troops to secure ammo dumps, more troops to provide security, etc.
    I find this argument totally unpersuasive. We would never have had enough troops to prevent every adverse action by Baathist and terrorists, and more troops could just as likely led to even greater resentment or problems. It’s like saying that every crime in America is a result of not having enough cops.
    And I am sick out of my mind of hearing people talk about Bush never admitting mistakes. When has a President ever admitted a mistake, that wasn’t forced of them after years of investigation (i.e. Watergate, Monica)? What is unique about Bush not giving political opponents ammunition by publicly proclaiming errors?
    The great writer P.G. Wodehouse put it best. “It is a good rule in life never to apologize. The right sort of people do not want apologies, and the wrong sort take a mean advantage of them.”

  36. Oliver Avatar

    “I will never understand why people take you seriously.”
    Because I’m not an idiot like yourself. I never hide who I work for if its relevant, or my biases – unlike Reynolds.

  37. Jesse Avatar

    Downtown —
    I agree with your wanting to make a statement by voting libertarian, but it’s important to remember that any vote that is NOT for John Kerry is as good as a vote FOR Bush.
    The commercials and the rhetoric have done a good job of instilling the whole “the US will be vaporized by terrorists under Kerry.” And it sounds as if John Doe voter across middle America is buying it, but I sure don’t. With all of the talk and all of the pressure on the subject of homeland security throughout the campaign, his every move will be watched under a microscope if he becomes president. He has no choice BUT to make the country as secure as possible.

  38. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    Jesse: Why? What’s the downside if somebody hits us hard? What’s the downside to Kerry?
    The question is not whether he wants us to be secure. We have to operate on the presumption that he does. However, his record indicates his idea of what makes us safe is terrifying.
    Had he been in charge of foreign policy in the last thiry years instead of biting the ankles of those who were, do you think we’d have been better off?

  39. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Oliver: Glenn did say that he’s voting for Bush.

  40. Pat Garnaas Avatar
    Pat Garnaas

    http://www.belgraviadispatch.com/archives/004117.html
    Mr. Djerejian has an excellent post today that speaks directly to weighing GWOT factors mentioned by Mr. Jarvis and in the comments.
    The “mistakes” meme is a red herring meant to hide the real admission the press wanted: a mea culpa for having gone to war in Iraq at all. While Mr. Bush has disappointed by refusing to engage in Oprahish soulsearching on his decision making, he has nonetheless been nimble in adjusting strategy to facts on the ground (see the Djerejian post or almost any Belmont Club). Discussion of the biggest “mistake”, too few troops initially, never seems to mention French and German pressure on Turkey to withdraw permission at the last minute for 4th ID to transit into northern Iraq. Anybody want to guess what carrot/stick those bought- and-paid-for friends of Sadam used?
    As to cultural issues, I am mystified by Mr. Jarvis’ reference to going “after gays and stem cells”. I am unaware of any administration- sanctioned attack on gays. The FMA became an issue as a reaction to efforts to impose a brand new right via the courts. As to stem cells, this is the first Administration to fund any embryonic stem cell research. One may prefer more wide-ranging federal support for that research, but it is not clear that such a preference is more legitimate than that of those who disagree. The private sector, of course, remains perfectly free to fund such research as seems promising to it.

  41. pianoman Avatar

    Oliver: Glenn doesn’t get paid by the GOP to shill for them. You do. No amount of bluster and fulmination on your part will change that fact.

  42. Blueprint Avatar

    To Pat Garnaas: you missed it, the administration proposed a Constitutional amendment to prevent gay marriage. And the stem cell research they fund only accepts a limited stem cell bank that is not feasible for research.
    There are a lot of voters out here who see the administration for the cynical illusion that it is, and who don’t want to fund its continued atrocities in Iraq, or Guantanamo Bay.
    If Jeff has any illusions about what a vote for Bush would condone, he would learn about it in a second term. Spare us all, please.

  43. Jesse Avatar

    “What’s the downside if somebody hits us hard”
    Richard — the downside is that lots of innocent people die. And I feel that Kerry could do far better than Bush at keeping America safe. Bush is too concerned about what’s going on thousands of miles away.

  44. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    Blue, you’re absolutely right. The amendment is in response to a demand for a new right. Not an attack, no camps with pink triangles.
    And the stem cell research is funded where it will do some good.
    If the lines not funded by the feds held any promise, the pharma biz would be into them in a big way.
    This call to fund that which probably isn’t any good is bogus.
    It also implies that lack of fed funding means nothing can possibly happen, an implication which says a good deal about you. And it’s an interesting rowback from the “banned” crap that’s been peddled in the hope one of the terminally unwary might buy it.

  45. Samuel Avatar

    “I do not need to explain why I say things.

  46. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    So, Jesse, you don’t see any connection between fighting overseas and safety at home?
    Can you point to resources used overseas that could be used better at home?
    Can you explain why killing al Q wherever we find them is worse than waiting for them to hit us here?
    Can you point to any efforts to make us safer at home Bush has used that liberals have not opposed?

  47. Jesse Avatar

    Resources better used at home? $150 billion smackers. Killing Al Q before they hit the US would be great, so why divert focus/resources/soldiers to Iraq, leaving the head honcho to mock us and threaten us on TV right before election day?

  48. Blueprint Avatar

    Richard Aubrey, try as ‘efforts to make us safer at home Bush has used that liberals have not opposed’ the recommendations of the 9/11 commission, which Bush opposed creating.
    Remember that Bush campaigned with a promise not to indulge in ‘nation building’?
    Safe to say that from your comments you indicate that gay marriage is a threatening prospect in your eyes. Please note that the only other amendment to the Constitution that limited freedom rather than expanding it was repealed.
    We have a nation to be proud of, and should carefully avoid dishonoring it.

  49. HA Avatar

    Oliver,
    Because I’m not an idiot like yourself. I never hide who I work for if its relevant, or my biases – unlike Reynolds.
    The only idiot is David Brock. Whatever he is paying you is too much. He isn’t even paying you to PREACH to the choir. He is paying you to BE the choir. There is nothing you say that isn’t said better by Josh Marshall. Do you ever have an ORIGINAL or INDEPENDENT thought? I’ve never seen it. All I’ve ever seen you offer is sophomoric, attenuated echoes of more talented folks.

  50. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    Blue. As to gay marriage, the point was that the admin was “attacking” gays. My point is that the admin is not. Opposing expansion of previously nonexistent rights is not “attacking”.
    Once the 9-11 commission recommendations are unbundled, we’ll see which are attractive and which are not.
    If Kerry is president, I don’t expect any restriction on personal freedom will attract the attention of the libs.
    You will note the absence of attacks in the US to this point,and the number of trained terrorists dead in Iraq.
    I see OBL taunting us. Taunts I can take, and it appears all he can give. I call that an improvement.
    Suppose we kill OBL. Then what? You are using the failure to kill OBL to mean we’ve failed. The problem is that you damn’ well know better and hope somebody else doesn’t.
    Try this question, then. If we kill OBL, what happens next? The terrorists go away? Nobody wants to attack us any longer?
    Get a clue. Which is to say the rest of us have several and you’re wasting your time on the supposition we don’t.

  51. carsonfire Avatar

    Steve Rhodes: I don’t need a crystal ball to know the Carter administration… we lived through it. And I don’t need a crystal ball to see how similar Kerry’s policies and persuasions are to Carter’s.
    And this isn’t a partisan complaint. I think a Clinton right now would be just fine. But Clinton is a completely different animal. Clinton’s feet *would* be held to the fire on Iraq. Clinton, like Bush, compromised with the opposition a lot. Carter and Kerry, however, are not compromisers: Kerry is a rigid partisan who will be gridlocked by his inability to work with congress, and is doomed by his own inherent traits (again, not crystal ball gazing, but looking at his record and demeanor) which include, fatally, an unwillingness to take responsibility for his own actions.

  52. Oliver Avatar

    I’m not Josh Marshall or Jeff Jarvis. I’m Oliver Willis and I write what Oliver Willis is interested in.
    Jeff: Reynolds admitted who he was voting for after Tony Pierce pummelled him on it, and you know that.

  53. Jesse Avatar

    That’s part of the problem — MORE folks want to attack us now than ever before. Not all, but a huge chunk of that blame can go to Bush.
    Now there’s even talk that Bush’s Iraq designs were in place long before 9/11 (not that Iraq and 9/11 are related, but I digress):
    http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=761
    Take it with a grain of salt, but keep in mind that the souce is a Bush biographer.

  54. Kate Avatar

    Rather contradictory point you make about admitting mistakes, Jeff – why are you not holding John Kerry to an even higher standard?
    Has Kerry ever acknowledged his mistakes in accusing fellow veterans of wartime atrocities, of undermining the war in Vietnam, in meeting North Vietnamese in Paris?
    It’s not as though the final chapters have yet to be written on Vietnam. Unlike Iraq and Afghanistan – where it is arguably rather permature to talk about “mistakes”, enough time has passed to evaluate the consequences of Kerry’s anti-war propoganda and extract a mea culpa.
    While Kerry’s long list of historical mistakes remain unaddressed, unapologized for – while he clearly has chosen his position on Iraq upon the whim of opinion polls and changing audience … and you have problems with Bush?
    Yikes.

  55. The Lonewacko Blog Avatar

    Those who claim that the Iraq war is mishandled or that Bush is screwing it up are invited to name a neater war.
    This isn’t like past wars. We’re fighting against a worldwide group of non-state actors.
    In WWII the enemy was located in specific countries, and if you bombed those countries enough you would win. And, by going to war you wouldn’t be helping spread their ideology, you’d be helping to stop it.
    We can’t just bomb Iraq into the ground because we (supposedly) want to win hearts and minds. So, a different strategy was called for. Unfortunately, what we got was a WWII-in-the-21st-century strategy that allowed tons and tons of war materiel to fall into the hands of terrorists and enemy states and has in some ways not helped our hearts and minds effort.
    you don’t see any connection between fighting overseas and safety at home?
    There are a lot of terrorists, belonging to different groups, spread out all around the world. They’re mobile and many are smart. The idea of flypaper is, frankly, too stupid for words. Have terrorists signed a pact pledging to fight in Iraq rather than seeking out soft targets in the U.S.?
    Can you point to any efforts to make us safer at home Bush has used that liberals have not opposed?
    Conservatives – including some in Congress – have vehemently opposed Bush’s unwillingness to secure our borders. Bush certainly could do something about the problem. The number of companies fined for immigration violations is less now than it was even under Clinton, so I don’t think Bush would have too many problems from the left if he increased that number.
    We’ve got thousands of illegal aliens streaming across the border each day. The DHS is aware that terrorists and a violent street gang that has a foothold in the U.S. – including in Virginia – might be forming an alliance to smuggle people and weapons into the U.S.
    Yet, Bush refuses to work to secure our borders. Anyone who says Bush is keeping them safe has mastered the fine art of doublethinking.

  56. The Lonewacko Blog Avatar

    And, furthermore:
    Regarding the administration’s blaming of others, consider this Bush quote from the third debate:
    Bob, we relied upon a company out of England to provide about half of the flu vaccines for the United States citizen…
    That sounds reasonable, right? I mean, isn’t it perfectly natural for the American government to rely on others to do something correctly? And, if the ones upon whom the government relies screw up, then the government is blameless, right?
    In fact, aren’t there a whole host of people who could be blamed for something that clearly could never be the fault of the Bush administration? Why, couldn’t it be blamed on Bill Clinton? Or, perhaps trial lawyers? Or, technology? Why, the potential for blame-shifting in this case is nearly unlimited.
    On the other hand, when you examine the facts, you can clearly see that the FDA did not do their job. I would imagine that has something to do with the HHS not making sure that the FDA was doing their job, and I’d imagine the latter has something to do with the president not making sure the HHS was doing their job.
    I have no doubt that Kerry will greatly reduce the amount of managerial incompetence and blame-shifting we’ve been getting for the last four years.

  57. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Oliver:
    But he said it and you’re acting as if he hasn’t.

  58. webrider44 Avatar
    webrider44

    Jeff, the one thing that bothers me most, is how you can say:”But I also do not believe that Kerry can or would abandon the security of America or even Iraq.”
    John Kerry’s history just REEKS of doing the opposite of what you conjecture here. He turned his back on all Vietnam veterans with scurrilous charges which have been largely refuted. Many of which were made by “veterans” of the war who turned out to NOT be veterans of that war. He made claims about only a “few thousands” of South Vietnamese would be “harmed” by our withdrawal. We KNOW that the cost was millions of lives and continued hardship in that country and Cambodia due to his (to be charitable) misunderstanding of the communist’s intents.
    He simply has NO CORE and no conviction that America is attempting to do the right thing in Iraq and the middle east. Even more dangerous is that he will virtually abandon Israel with his “multilateralism”. You know it in your heart, but are whistling past the graveyard if you don’t admit it.
    Osama bin Laden all but admits that he is a beaten and bedeviled monster, begging for “hudna” so he can regroup and reconstitute his “base”. Read the entire transcript at memri before deciding what that video was about. He’s losing everywhere and needs RELIEF from the unrelenting pressure of GWB’s efforts in the WOT.
    To sit in our armchairs and whine about “how difficult” it is in Iraq and make asinine statements about “mishandling” such an effort is to admit we’re just naive in what something of that effort takes. Remember, the whining from the left about Afghanistan turning into a “quagmire” (Kerry being one of those) and the “millions of refugees” that were forecast by all the left? Well, those “refugees” are STREAMING BACK INTO Afghanistan NOW. They were refugess from the TALIBAN!
    In only three years, GWB coopted Pakistan, dehorned Quaddafi, deposed Saddam, got virtually all the nations who are important to participate in the nuclear proliferation prevention efforts (PSI) and uncovered and stopped Khan’s efforts to spread them.
    Bin Laden is praying to his misguided beliefs and god that he can affect this election and take GWB out of it. That, if for no other reason, should make you understand that NO vote in any election you’ve ever participated in, is more important than this one, and it SHOULD be for GWB, if you want to continue to corral and contain the growth of the terrorist’s ambitions.
    THINK you way through it, instead of worrying about the domestic issues, as GWB has done a lot better job on those than anyone will give him credit for.

  59. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    Lone, you missed again. I know business-oriented conservatives oppose tightening up the borders.
    But they have company. Those promoting balkanization–liberals–oppose border-tightening. Those looking for easy fraudulent votes oppose border tightening–liberals. Those pandering to the Latino vote–both sides–oppose tightening borders.
    So, yes, liberals oppose this, too. The difference is that in this one case they have some conservative company. Now, not all conservatives oppose border tightening, and some vehemently promote it. But liberals dismiss them as racist. So if conservatives oppose border tightening, they don’t care about our saftey, but if they do care about our safety and promote border tightening, they’re racist.
    Normal liberal thought.
    Flypaper strategy is stupid? Iraq has all kinds of foreigners in it, along with resources from sponsors. They didn’t sign anything, to address your moronic comment, but they appear to be doing it without signing.
    So, what do we need to do in this country that liberals have not opposed that we haven’t done?
    Kerry once said he wanted to have first responders better equipped. That’s nice, I guess, but it won’t help until we get hit. And then, it won’t make us even-up with the before-hit situation.
    Look. Let’s cut the crap. You hate Bush and will say anything, even something so obviously bogus that a kid could understand it, to support your position. Your nonsense about borders was only one example.
    Now, once we have that agreed to, we don’t need to talk any longer since nothing you say has any value. Besides, what you insist on will do a one-eighty at any time it seems convenient to Bush hating.
    So why should a sober adult waste time with you?

  60. Laura M. Hagan Avatar
    Laura M. Hagan

    Jeff, I can understand the argument that Bush

  61. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    By this time into WW II, Hitler and Tojo had nearly three years left. Did we fail because they weren’t dead then? Hell, it was decades before we had solid forensic evidence that Hitler really was dead in the bunker. Part of that was due to the Sovs’ secrecy and blundering, but the fact remained. Had JJ been looking at that would he have insisted, say about 1990, that FDR failed?
    Well, yes, had FDR been a Republican.

  62. Roger Avatar

    Well these arguments have been solid enough for THIS Ohio native to switch from Kerry to Bush. I’d really like to vote for him but I can’t seem to remember the words to the “Bush Pledge.”
    Oh well, back to Kerry I go.

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  64. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    Jeez, Privacy, I feel sorry for you. How disappointing it must be that Bush didn’t give you a club to beat him with.
    To be more accurate, we could say that Bush would not admit mistakes to people who have absolutely no likelihood of good faith.
    You have no idea of what kinds of admissions go on in private meetings with advisors.
    These, of course, are the important situations. Doing you a favor is not important.

  65. card Avatar

    There was a time in Bush’s career when he admitted mistakes, when he was governor of Texas and was seeking the Republican nomination for president:
    The following is Bush’s response to David Horowitz’s question in 1999 when Horowitz asked Bush to speak to the audience of Salon.com, an audience Horowitz described as reflecting “the libertarian and forward-looking ethos of the Internet.”:
    “I have told people that 20 to 30 years ago I made some mistakes. But I have learned from those mistakes. What Americans want to hear is: Will the next president be someone who has matured to the point where he has learned from mistakes and will bring dignity to the office to which he is elected? That was my solemn pledge in Texas when I first took office. I have fulfilled that to the satisfaction of Texas voters. And that is my solemn pledge to America.”
    The whole interview is at:
    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/05/06/bush/
    He also says in this interview:
    “I showed the people of Texas that I’m a uniter, not a divider. I refuse to play the politics of putting people into groups and pitting one group against another.”
    (I am not a Bush supporter, although I wonder what happened to the man who once said these things.)

  66. Chucky Avatar

    “You have no idea of what kinds of admissions go on in private meetings with advisors”
    Aubrey gets to sit in on the private meetings at the White House, apparently.

  67. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    Chucky, you got it wrong. Must be a habit.
    I have no idea what goes on in those meetings and neither do you. But without such knowledge, the crap that Bush doesn’t admit mistakes is without foundation.
    You just don’t know.
    I would say that changes in policy indicate an awareness that an initial assessment might have been in error.
    But, given your attitude, who’d be fool enough to admit it to you?

  68. david Avatar

    hmmm I still think you’ll vote for Bush when you get in the voting booth. If you do vote for Kerry would it have been different if you lived in a true battleground state?

  69. ronbo Avatar

    Hi, Jeff —
    I don’t support the Republicans on many issues but I still plan to vote for Bush. Iraq and terrorism are the critical issues of the day for me, and my conclusion that we are on the right track toward the right objectives (however bumpy the path) completely trumps my disagreements with Bush about stem cells, the FMA and a lot of other things.
    I wasn’t at the Towers that day but I will never forget racing downtown to pick up my son from his school in the Village. I will never forget watching the smoke and flames as we waited on line for the ferry back to NJ. And I will never forget having to explain a terror attack to a six-year-old.
    I got angry that day and I am angry still. I’m not convinced that Kerry is angry, not in the same way and not at the same things. I believe that Bush is angry – but idealistic, too – and I will forgive him many faults for those very qualities.
    Best regards.

  70. Chucky Avatar

    “I would say that changes in policy indicate an awareness that an initial assessment might have been in error”
    You lost me on that one. Unless you’re referring to Bush changing the reasons he invaded Iraq after his initial reasons were proven to be bullshit?

  71. ronbo Avatar

    I am puzzled by your comment (in your post about Harris’ article in the Post) that “competence” is the big issue. You mention, but gloss over, the big “if”: “if you believe neither [candidate] can afford to lose the war against America, that’s what it’s all about.”
    I wonder what makes you so confident in this premise. I’m not at all sure that Kerry truly understands the stakes, or even agrees that we are at war (it’s a metaphor, doncha know). And it’s far from clear that he can’t (or won’t) define victory in such a way as to leave the job unfinished.
    Even if Kerry could, on some theoretical level, “do a better job”, all that competence is useless if doesn’t have the will – and the belief in the cause – to stay until the end.
    Best regards.

  72. Mike G in San Diego Avatar
    Mike G in San Diego

    “In any case, I supported the war and stand by that. But I also believe the aftermath has been mucked up miserably: We did not anticipate the “insurgency” and as a result did not devote sufficient resources to bringing peace and democracy to Iraq.”
    For a contrary view, see:
    http://www.reason.com/cavanaugh/110104.shtml

  73. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    Chucky, try to pay attention.
    The Congressional authorization to go to war included twenty-three clauses, twelve of which mentioned UN resolutions and one of which mentioned WMD.
    You know that. It appears you hope there is at least one person out there who might be fooled. Wasting your time, buddy.
    You might want to read Tommy Franks’ book. In addition to the endless repetitions that all the world’s intelligence services thought SH had WMD, the king of Jordan and Hosni Mubarak both assured Franks that SH had them and would use them.
    SH was so good at fooling people that…. he fooled a couple too many.

  74. lucklucky Avatar
    lucklucky

    If you’re somwewhat in doubt you need to think at least what a change of command will do to the:
    1- Morale of USA soldiers – going down
    2- Morale of Terrorists – up
    3- How it will be viewed by comon Iraquis (…they are starting to run away!)
    Cooperation will be much more dificult. No ones want to take a chance for a period.
    4- the “Lag” in decision process because people are going out and others are going in.
    5- European Governements that supported US likely will be defeated.
    All of this is extremly important because Iraq is entering the decisive period of it’s life, with elections in January.
    In the end it could be like Madrid , the bombs didnt explode in USA but in Iraq.

  75. Mike G in San Diego Avatar
    Mike G in San Diego

    IMHO, Jonah Goldberg pretty much nails it:

    Yes, yes, yes

  76. Chucky Avatar

    “he fooled a couple too many”
    Fooled, yes, and it didn’t help that Bush hand-picked only the chunks of evidence that best supported his cause. Don’t forget that Bush was hell-bent on Iraq long before 9/11 (http://www.gnn.tv/articles/article.php?id=761). Bush was able to twist that horrible event into a conflict in Iraq, somehow.
    And now over 1100 US soldiers are dead and 100,000 Iraqi civilians as well. Can’t you see? Can’t you see that we were all were misled? Why do you support him to the very last?
    P.S. I’ll read Tommy Franks’ book if you read Bob Woodward’s.

  77. RichardAubrey Avatar
    RichardAubrey

    Crap. A lengthy post disappeared when I hit post.
    Here we go again:
    Chucky, you need to get on the memo list. It’s nowhere near 100,000. You should speak to your handler.
    You think Mubarak and the king of Jordan were cherry-picking intel?
    I didn’t mean you should read Franks’ book, my apologies, it would hurt your head. It’s just that it’s the most convenient place to find that particular piece of info.
    You bet Iraq was in the plans. We were in a war on terror before 9-11 but not many realized it. Surprisingly many do not now. But Bush did and Iraq was part of the plan, rightly so, in my judgment. You will recall that regime change was the law of the land, starting in 1998, which, as some will recall, was before Bush was elected.
    John Kerry, Jane Fonda, Teddy Kennedy and others led Congress to cut off all aid to South Viet Nam and Cambodia in 1975. As a result, the Communists slaughtered 2.5 million people. Kerry has no problem with this today. The democrat party thinks of it as a famous victory.
    Kerry would think doing the same to Iraq, selling them out, would be just as much fun, as would you.
    You have to think, Chucky, about which people would still talk to you after you were complicit in selling the brave Iraqis who stood up back to the murderers. You probably wouldn’t want to be around the only kind of people who would want to be around you then. But I could be wrong.

  78. The Sanity Inspector Avatar

    But I also do not believe that Kerry can or would abandon the security of America or even Iraq. He, too, must win. After attacking Bush’s execution of the fight so strongly, the pressure on him to succeed is only greater. Feet, meet fire.
    I don’t go along with this Sullivanesque wishful thinking, that circumstances will surely force Kerry to rise to the occasion. He’s been wrong on every major foreign policy crossroads he’s come to–why should now be any different? If better were within, better would have come out by now.

  79. The Lonewacko Blog Avatar

    I don’t know why, but Aubrey epistles: “[…summarizes left-right Open Borders alliance with no apparent point…]”
    Look, once Kerry is president, the heavy hand of Bush will be lifted from those patriotic, pro-borders Republicans who favor a sensible border policy that will make us safer.
    “Flypaper strategy is stupid? Iraq has all kinds of foreigners in it, along with resources from sponsors. They didn’t sign anything, to address your moronic comment, but they appear to be doing it without signing.”
    Iraq had foreigners streaming into it before the war, but many more since the war. Many of those could have been stopped if we had created a border patrol.
    I’m sorry you didn’t understand what I meant about the pact. Terrorists have not signed a pact saying they’ll only attack us in Iraq. Terrorists could attack U.S. interests anywhere in the world. The flypaper “strategy” says they’re much more likely to attack us in Iraq. Which is an insane idea.
    See Should conservatives support Kerry? for my endorsement. Maybe it will change the mind of some Bush supporters who are already uneasy about Bush.

  80. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    Lone, if I understand you on the borders issue, it’s Bush’s fault that so many repubs are loose on the thing. Without him, it would only be the liberals wanting to screw up the country with illegal immigration. Right? Wrong. The reasons some repubs are loose on the issue have little to do with Bush and the reasons Bush is loose have a lot to do with republicans. I happened to talk with a produce farmer a couple of weeks ago. He pays his workers $8-$9 per hour plus housing. He can’t get Americans to do the work. He’s a republican. He’d like legal guys but says if he checks the paperwork too closely, some liberal group or other will get on him for discrimination. Bush isn’t making him do this, and if you insist on Bush being in the tank for the oil companies, see if the US oil companies are hiring Mexicans to do their work.
    As to flypaper not working, that’s one of those things the professors say. Works fine in practice, unfortunately it fails the theory test.
    The terrs could be attacking us anywhere in the world. But they’re not–so far–and they’re dying in Iraq. So….you’re right. In theory.
    But I suspect you’d make the same argument if we fought them anywhere but the beaches. Wherever they are, THEY COULD BE SOMEPLACE ELSE, which is true.

  81. Lucky1919 Avatar
    Lucky1919

    Please spread the word. Let’s hit the bastards in the only place they understand – their wallets. I’m calling for everyone who voted against Bush to STAY HOME on the busiest shopping day of the year – the day after Thanksgiving. 43 million less shoppers might make a point. Also boycott Bush’s chums like WalMart and buy from liberal friendly, overseas, or local small business. And finally – cancel your vacation to any red state destination – Florida, Kiawah Island, New Orleans and spend it instead in Maine, Wisconsin, Cape Cod, California, NYC, Chicago, etc… We don’t need to pay these people to take our rights away. Please pass it on!!!

  82. JW Avatar

    Young people do not know how to think critically or know the facts, or history. They have not been taught good judgment. That is why they pick popular entertainers as leaders. This is the fault of parents and society. Young people have been neglected and not taught character and how to judge character. That is why someday they will think the Antichrist is cool and will by his deception allow him to come to power. But he will be many times worse than Hitler, who came to power in the same way. Our chldren and their children will have to suffer, because we did not teach them the truth and how to judge critically.
    My sons, ages 21, 23, and 25, watch the same entertainment, but because I taught them to trust God, be men of integrity and honesty, (and they are)and how to judge character, they are critical thinkers, who have sound judgment, and are very successful in what they do. And they know what and who makes good leader.

  83. JW Avatar

    Young people do not know how to think critically or know the facts, or history. They have not been taught good judgment. That is why they pick popular entertainers as leaders. This is the fault of parents and society. Young people have been neglected and not taught character and how to judge character. That is why someday they will think the Antichrist is cool and will by his deception allow him to come to power. But he will be many times worse than Hitler, who came to power in the same way. Our chldren and their children will have to suffer, because we did not teach them the truth and how to judge critically.
    My sons, ages 21, 23, and 25, watch the same entertainment, but because I taught them to trust God, be men of integrity and honesty, (and they are)and how to judge character, they are critical thinkers, who have sound judgment, and are very successful in what they do. And they know what and who makes a good leader.