Dirty to the end

Dirty to the end

: This weekend, I made reference to wackies coming out of the woodwork at the end of an election, making desperate and nutty attempts to dig up or make up something they think will swing the election their way. I refused to dignify the lastest with a link.

But Instapundit links to them today, touting a patently F.O.S. story from the right-wing hobby paper, the NY Sun, that wonders whether John Kerry really got an honorable discharge because the document on his web site is not the document some joker thinks it ought to be. Oh, yeah, as if a dishonorable discharge for a (1) war hero, (2) war protestor, (3) senator, (4) presidential candidate (whose service to the nation has already been slimed by wack jobs determined to destroy him) would not have come out before. Grow up.

Glenn even laments: ” I imagine it’s too late for this story to make much of a difference.”

Couldn’t resist one last mud pie before election day? Glenn had turned down the volume and holstered the mud bullets lately and I was glad to see it. But he apparently couldn’t resist trying to make one last splat.

I don’t want to hear whining about how it was irresponsible of the NY Times and 60 Minutes to come out with a half-baked story that couldn’t be fully investigated and confirmed about missing explosives in Iraq when you link to crap like this and wish it would affect the election. And I do believe it was irresponsible of them and I’ve said so.

Oh, and so did Glenn. See this Instapost from this weekend:

The open partisanship of big media organizations in trying to hurt Bush and help Kerry — a phenomenon that, as Leo notes, is not limited to CBS and RatherGate, but extends to places like The New York Times — is very troubling. The loss of credibility that results will come back to haunt the press in a lot of ways, no matter who wins. I doubt that, in retrospect, they’ll think it was worth it, but I don’t think it was ever calculated, exactly. I think they just can’t help themselves.

Same goes for a blogger’s link to mud like the Sun’s. What’s bad for the goose is bad for the goosed. Or see this Instapost a few days before:

I’VE NEVER READ A CODE OF JOURNALISTIC ETHICS, but it seems to me that this much is clear: it is absolutely intolerable for a news organization to hold onto a story for the purpose of breaking it so close to an election as to prevent a fair investigation and response.

Indeed.

UPDATE-CORRECTION: The Instapost immediately above was by Ann Anlthouse, not by Glenn Reynolds.

: The New York Times belatedly gets around to covering the story of the story of the “missing explosives” and how the paper and CBS News came out with it too close to an election for all the facts to be uncovered and for the administration to have a fair chance to rebut it and its impact on the election.

It’s odd that the story appears in the business section (and not on the front page). It’s wrong that this angle to the story is being covered only now, the day before the election, when it should have been part of the original story (the how-we-are-being-used angle). And it’s a weak story that, of course, lets Times boss Keller off the hook.

In the ensuing uproar over the revelations, charges of journalistic impropriety and partisanship fly and many question whether the news media should report something so controversial so close to Election Day.

There are no firm rules guiding news organizations through these journalistic minefields. Some journalists have no compunction about printing or broadcasting controversial news about a political candidate in the last weeks of an election campaign. Others apply calculus to their deliberations, trying to determine the equation of topic, distance and fairness. Still others refuse to run any investigative articles in the week, or sometimes in the last two days, before the election.

“On the one hand, you’re always weighing what the public needs to know before they vote,” said Michael R. Beschloss, a presidential historian. “On the other hand, are you putting a charge out so close to the election that those who are criticize do not have time to respond.” …

“The timing is really not much of an issue,” Mr. Keller said. “The story was ready to go and was published more than a week before Election Day. There was plenty of time for the candidates on both sides and their partisans to react, for additional information to come out.”

That’s the old Times attitude, still not dead, that when the Times prints it, it must be news and it’s done, it’s finished, it’s history. No, today, that’s when the news cycle begins; that is when new facts, questions, corrections, viewpoints, and implications come out. We’re still haven’t gotten to the bottom of the “missing explosives” story and we won’t be there for weeks or months. But the impact on election — unmeasurable but sure — is already there.

And mind you, I’m a guy who’s voting for Kerry. But I’m not afraid to call my big media colleagues on an unfair move against the other side. Coming out with your own perspective doesn’t mean you lose your fairness; in fact, it should make you fairer as you transparently examine the viewpoint and the impact of what you say. The Times was being used in the explosives story and if it was going to go with the story in the last week of an election — which, again, I say is a dubious decision — they at least should have acknowledged what they obliquely acknowledged today from the first minute, even from the lead. Imagine if it had read like this: “In a story planted with The Times by WHO TK in an apparent attempt to affect the Presidential election….”

: UPDATE: In the comments, Glenn Reynolds responds and I reply in turn. Quoted in full:

Jeff: I wasn’t lamenting, I was pooh-poohing, as would be obvious if you’d take a step back. I’ve been sitting on all those emails that you mentioned, too. The difference is that you mentioned them, and I didn’t.

And the other “instapost” you quote isn’t by me, but by Ann Althouse.

But for the record, while I don’t think the story deserves much attention now, because it’s too late to get to the bottom of it, it’s only a story at all because Kerry has refused to release the records.

For a guy who repeatedly blogs that he’s worried I don’t like him, you sure act like you don’t like me. Luckily, I’m thick-skinned.

Posted by Glenn Reynolds at November 1, 2004 12:59 PM

Glenn…

Point-by-point:

I didn’t read that as pooh-poohing. Pooh-poohing would be saying, “Well, this story looks like a stinking load of crap and I can’t believe they’re pushing it.” That’s pooh-poohing.

I mentioned getting the emails but I did not quote them or reveal what they said because I did not want to give them a second’s credence. You did by linking to the Sun.

I don’t think it’s “only a story” because Kerry won’t release records. That is a story that has been done often. This story uses no evidence and only conjecture to try to accuse the man of something. It’s still not a story.

Sorry that I got the attribution to Ann wrong. Hope you wish you wrote what she did (and she wrote an awful lot of awfully good posts while you were in your undisclosed location.)

Finally: It’s not personal. I do like you. I respect you. I respect the power of Instapundit. And that is precisely why it deserves the attention, including attention such as this. If big media deserves such attention, then so does Instapundit!

Linking to a load-of-crap (my pooh-poohing) story such as this the day before the election is wrong, I believe.

It is inconsistent with your view (in your own posts) regarding the NY Times’ and 60 Minutes efforts at an October surprise with the too-late “missing weapons” story (which I also decry).

And as you know, I have been consistently disturbed at the level of mudslinging in this campaign, including in blogs — and aimed at both candidates.

This “story” counts as mudslinging of the worst order.

And linking to mudslinging gets some on you.

Posted by Jeff Jarvis at November 1, 2004 01:15 PM

41 responses to “Dirty to the end”

  1. Mike G Avatar

    Would anyone be that surprised if somebody in the Navy managed to push through a less than honorable discharge for a guy who was actively protesting the war at the time? That’s why I think this story might well be true but still be of no particular consequence.

  2. Mike G Avatar

    By the way, Jeff, I actually read Glenn’s mention of this and your description of it is more than a little hysterical. He cites a story that came out today, then dashes it with cold water– twice– and immediately buries it under 10 more items. That’s really being a Republican attack dog. Are you catching Sullivanitis, where the instant you convert to the other side, you’re genuinely angry that everyone else didn’t move at the exact same moment?

  3. Michael Avatar

    “I refused to dignify the lastest with a link.”
    But you link to Instapundit’s reference to it, and then discuss it at length?

  4. Mike Avatar

    Come on, are you seriously trying to associate this one linked story on Instapundit with the repeated instances of Kerry ass-kissing/Bush-Bashing by the MSM??
    I think you are trying to play your mud-slinging angle a little too much here.

  5. Austin Avatar

    Hey, Jeff –
    I think saying “Glenn even laments…” is rather unfair. When I read his post, I see the tone of that sentence as a bit more ambiguous. I can see where you might read it as a lamentation, but from someone who is center-right, I see it as a statement of fact (ie. that if the Sun wanted to influence the election, they made a poor decision as to the timing). I don’t necessarily see him as offering support for this junk – though, again, I see how someone might read it that way. Still, to classify the statement as “lament[ation]” at the lack of influence the story will have is a bit deceptive.
    I’ve also posted a denunciation of the Sun’s story, though I take a slightly different tack.

  6. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    I don’t understand JJ’s concern.
    Is it that the story is probably not be true and so ought to be kept out of the discussion? Is it that the story might or might not be true and ought to be held until it’s solid?
    Is it that it’s probably true and so JJ doesn’t want it out because it might hurt Kerry?
    Is it because it’s probably true but monumentally irrelevant?
    Personally, I would think it’s relevant, if true, because of all the emphasis Kerry put on his service.
    I also think it’s something enormously difficult to nail down and, if true, ought to be held until solid as granite.
    If not true, then shame on anybody promoting it. After all, conservatives are–as they should be–held to a substantially higher moral standard than liberals.
    BTW, the MSM’s plan to hold the munitions story until Sunday evening could be taken to demonstrate they knew they were wrong but hoped that by delaying the break they could push the response beyond the election.

  7. Jesse Avatar

    The behavior of the media as well as both of the election campaigns this year has been absolutely disgusting. Worst part is, it has probably set things in motion for 2008 and beyond — who will be mature enough to ever take the first step towards a “kinder, gentler campaign” based on (dare I say it) THE ISSUES?

  8. bonnie kate Avatar
    bonnie kate

    Could you point me in the direction to an article in the mainstream media that elaborates in greater detail on Kerry’s meetings in Paris with the Viet Cong negotiators. Other than a quick mention that the Paris meetings occurred on his honeymoon, no one has attempted to put this story in context. Who arranged his flights to Paris, how often did he travel, was he still in the Navy reserves, had he violated any laws at the time, was he reprimanded by the Navy? While I think it is wrong for the NY Sun to run this story today, where has their been coverage over the last 18 months? Is this reflective of self-censorship within the media, let bygones be bygones, or is it reflective of an inherent bias not pursue a line of question which could derail the candidacy of a challenger against a much loathed incumbent?

  9. ron Avatar

    hahahahahahahahhahahhahah jeff.
    its so funny watching you slobber over a story that puts sen. kerry in a bad light. you obviously don’t care about the facts concerning his antiwar history. why should this bother you? get a grip.

  10. mr lawson Avatar
    mr lawson

    Grrrrrr.
    Jeff, I have been tring to get this message out for nearly 3 Months! It is not a last ditch effort. It is known, but nobody in the media wanted to touch it. 3 months!

  11. RJ Avatar

    The reason I care about the discharge story is because a presidential candidate has not released his full military records. You’ve got a journalist (Lipscomb) who’s been working on this story since at least October 13th (when his first article on the topic was printed). Releasing his complete military records COULD have cleared all this up months ago, but Sen. Kerry hasn’t done so.
    I don’t want to sound conspiracy-theory here, but if there’s nothing bad in the records, why not release them? This is a man who wants to be President of our nation and he’s not opened his military or medical records…

  12. The Lonewacko Blog Avatar

    somebody in the Navy managed to push through a less than honorable discharge for a guy who was actively protesting the war at the time?
    As we know, Nixon was afraid of Kerry. He might have played some of his dirty tricks.
    As far as bloggers losing credibility is concerned, let me put it this way. I occasionally wonder whether blogsforbush.com is a satire. But, there are a few right-wing bloggers who make blogsforbush look like just a bunch of naive Kool-Aid drinkers. I’m not going to name names, but doing things like trying to confuse people over X tons of explosives being equivalent to X tons of munitions isn’t what one would expect from the so-called watchdogs of the MSM.

  13. Glenn Reynolds Avatar

    Jeff: I wasn’t lamenting, I was pooh-poohing, as would be obvious if you’d take a step back. I’ve been sitting on all those emails that you mentioned, too. The difference is that you mentioned them, and I didn’t.
    And the other “instapost” you quote isn’t by me, but by Ann Althouse.
    But for the record, while I don’t think the story deserves much attention now, because it’s too late to get to the bottom of it, it’s only a story at all because Kerry has refused to release the records.
    For a guy who repeatedly blogs that he’s worried I don’t like him, you sure act like you don’t like me. Luckily, I’m thick-skinned.

  14. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Glenn…
    Point-by-point:
    I didn’t read that as pooh-poohing. Pooh-poohing would be saying, “Well, this story looks like a stinking load of crap and I can’t believe they’re pushing it.” That’s pooh-poohing.
    I mentioned getting the emails but I did not quote them or reveal what they said because I did not want to give them a second’s credence. You did by linking to the Sun.
    I don’t think it’s “only a story” because Kerry won’t release records. That is a story that has been done often. This story uses no evidence and only conjecture to try to accuse the man of something. It’s still not a story.
    Sorry that I got the attribution to Ann wrong. Hope you wish you wrote what she did (and she wrote an awful lot of awfully good posts while you were in your undisclosed location.)
    Finally: It’s not personal. I do like you. I respect you. I respect the power of Instapundit. And that is precisely why it deserves the attention, including attention such as this. If big media deserves such attention, then so does Instapundit!
    Linking to a load-of-crap (my pooh-poohing) story such as this the day before the election is wrong, I believe.
    It is inconsistent with your view (in your own posts) regarding the NY Times’ and 60 Minutes efforts at an October surprise with the too-late “missing weapons” story (which I also decry).
    And as you know, I have been consistently disturbed at the level of mudslinging in this campaign, including in blogs — and aimed at both candidates.
    This “story” counts as mudslinging of the worst order.
    And linking to mudslinging gets some on you.

  15. Cog Avatar

    So you are upset at Instapundit, but not at Atrios, Daily Kos, Oliver Willis, Media Matters, ABC, CBS, 60 minutes, NY Times, Washington Post, Nightline, etc, etc, etc…
    All of which have proven they will promote any story, true or not, that has a shot at helping to defeat George W Bush.
    I do not know what is worst, CBS’s determined attempts to sabotage the Bush campaign, ABC putting their bias in writing, or the last 6 months of the Washington Post Baghdad bureau chief phoning in the absolute worst of the worst from Iraq, and pretending like he is just delivering the facts.
    I have heard a few soldiers who said Rajiv Chandrasekaran either spent no time, or spoke only to 1 source and then left before filing heavily criticial articles of in the Post. In one instance he only interviewed one guy who took over a building and then he filed the story saying the town was in chaos. The marines gave him a deadline to leave and he left. Another story was filed about an incident that 3 people on the scene had no idea what he was talking about. Another the insurgents claims of damage were taken as fact, and the militaries response qualified with “this can not be confirmed”.
    So it is wrong when Instapundit links to a story, but it is no big deal when the NY Times and CBS try to double-team the Bush campaign? CBS still has not admitted the documents were forged by the way. It is ok that ABC does not even pretend to be fair in their coverage? And please do not tell me MSNBC is anywhere near unbiased.
    Look at the big picture. People were actually agreeing with Osama in his criticisms of Bush last friday. And we have not even seen the full unedited tape. I am sure it was edited purely for time purposes. Right.
    Maybe CBS can verify that for me.

  16. HA Avatar

    Jeff,
    If the NY Sun article has no merit, Kerry could put it to rest by signing the form 180 to authorize the release of his military records.
    The fact that he hasn’t done so is highly suspicious. If Kerry initially received a less than honorable discharge, that is absolutely a valid campaign issue. If it was proven that Kerry did in fact get a less than honorable discharge, would you still vote for him? Even if you would, many wouldn’t. This issue does matter which is why I suspect Kerry and the MSM are ducking it.
    Instead of bashing Glenn Reynolds, you should be calling on Kerry to release ALL his military records. Let the voting public decide if it is important. Isn’t that what TRANSPARENCY is all about?
    And what do you think it will do to the legitmacy of a potential Kerry administration if the truth comes out after the election? Do you WANT a politically crippled President in these times? That is what will happen if this story is true. I doubt Kerry will be able to keep it buried forever.

  17. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Cog:
    I criticized the NY Times and 60 Minutes for the “missing explosive” story and their attempt at an October surprise against Bush in this blog and on CNBC.
    I criticized Dan Rather and 60 Minutes for going after Bush in this blog and on TV and in the op-ed page of the NY Post.
    I have consistently criticized efforts to slime Bush’s military service as I have criticized efforts to slime Kerry’s. I have consistently decried the mudmen of this campaign — on both sides.
    Now it happens that I don’t read Atrios or Kos much. I read Instapundit often. You can judge what that means for how I value each.
    And it is because I value Instapundit — and this new medium — that I think it is good to react substantively and sometimes critically.
    We must be able to have discussions such as this or else we’ll be just like the head-in-the-sand big media you list.

  18. tony Avatar

    not to detract from mr. jarvis accurately calling out mr. reynolds.
    but HA, who the f do you think you are even mentioning transparency when you dont even have the nads to put your real name, email address, or web page next to the bs that you poison these threads with?

  19. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    HA: I agree with Tony.
    I put little credence in the posts of people who don’t have the courage of their own words. You come to my house to say things to me but you hide behind a mask. You and all the others…you know who you are (but we don’t).

  20. HA Avatar

    tony,
    I’m not running for President. John Kerry is.

  21. HA Avatar

    Jeff,
    You may agree with Tony, but you disagree with yourself. You generally favor transparency, but when an issue could cause real damage to the candidate you are leaning towards, you suddenly oppose transparency. I say let all the news out, including Bush’s Guard record, or who leaked Valerie Plame’s name. Let the voters decide what is important.
    BTW, why should it matter who I am? Everybody is free to accept or reject my arguments based on their merits – or lack thereof in some eyes.

  22. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Ha: It matters because you don’t have the courage of your convictions. It matters because it’s just impolite: If I talked to you at a party and we shared views and I introduced myself but you refused to introduce yourself, how does that look and what does that say? Don’t give a lecture about transparency when you are opaque.

  23. Jim Treacher Avatar

    If it was revealed that Glenn knew about the story for over a week but decided to wait until today to break it? Instead of him linking to something he just read? Which I’m pretty sure is his standard practice? Then I might understand the outrage. But then, there’s a lot of outrage lately that I don’t understand, so maybe I’m not the best judge.

  24. Tom Maguire Avatar

    Jeff, on Al QaQaa – the Times had a rowback piece hidden on P. A12 in Saturday, which was All Osama Day. I don’t know if you missed it.
    I mention it because the Times piece you rebut to today partially rebuts your post. Here we go:

    Had the article not been ready until a day or two before the election, Mr. Keller said, the decision to publish would have been more difficult. “I can’t say categorically you should not publish an article damaging to a candidate in the last days before an election,” he said. “If you learned a day or two before the election that a candidate had lied about some essential qualification for the job – his health or criminal record – and there’s no real doubt and you’ve given the candidate a chance to respond and the response doesn’t cast doubt on the story, do you publish it? Yes. Voters certainly have a right to know that.”

    The Sun story comes close to fitting that profile. Obviously, lacking full access to Kerry’s records, the “no doubt” threshold is not crossed. OTOH, the “Form 180” question continues to be unasked by the MSM.
    As to why this is coming out now – the first story by Lipscomb on Kerry’s uncertain documentation that I noticed came out at the end of August.
    I have no doubt he would have delivered this sooner – it is clearly too late to have an impact now.
    In fact, I still don’t see it on Drudge.

  25. David Crisp Avatar

    Reporters working on stories that could affect an election have to ask themselves: How would I approach this if there were no election? Sitting on a story because an election is near shows as much bias as pushing one out before it’s ready. Stories should run when they are done, elections be damned.
    As for Reynolds, only Dan Rather lost more credibility this election season than Instapundit.

  26. Cog Avatar

    Well, I have to agree with that comment Jeff. I for one think that both Bush and Kerry’s military service should be respected. It was what happened after [and in Kerry’s case during] their service what I was concerned with.
    The article Instapundit linked to is a political attack the likes of which we have been criticizing a number of news organizations for.
    While it should be criticized for its timing, and for its somewhat lack of a solid foundation, it should be researched every bit as fully as the Bush attacks were.
    But my only problem, and it is damn hard to be objective, is that 70-80% of the mainstream media is fully out in the open trying anything to get Bush elected. Facts be damned. Context be damned. Fie on objectivity.
    And if any of you do not follow the Arab press, you would be simply horrified at what they are saying. The best political ad that never aired, the best political commercial never made, is a 30 second or 1 minute montage of what is being said on the Arab networks and in the Arab papers.
    If both canidates watched them, I honestly do not know how they could attack each other.

  27. Cog Avatar

    That should have said the MMM is trying to get Kerry elected. Unless I have completely misinterpreted MSNBC and CBS news among others.

  28. Cog Avatar

    Oh, and Jim. My name is PJ Swenson. And I approved this message. See you at Bloggercon if any of you make it.
    http://www.pbase.com/pj48/

  29. gringoman Avatar

    Jeff, would it be possible to get a clarification on what you mean by “a joker.”? The major source for Thomas Lipscomb story in the ‘right-wing sheet’NY SUN about Kerry’s Naval discharge is a man who spent 30 years of his life in the Navy as a judge advocate. Did I misread? Did you not refer to Mark Sullivan, who retired in 2003, as “a joker”, since Sullivan seems to be questioning the “honor” in Kerry’s belated discharge from the Navy?

  30. ron Avatar

    great spin jeff ignore kerry’s lack of transparency to focus on ha’s anonymity. sad.

  31. Matthew Cromer Avatar
    Matthew Cromer

    Actually many in the blogosphere have been speculating about a Kerry DD for months now, given his refusal to come clean with a form 180. This is not an “October Surprise” to anyone who has been paying attention.

  32. Michael Avatar

    “Ha: It matters because you don’t have the courage of your convictions. It matters because it’s just impolite: If I talked to you at a party and we shared views and I introduced myself but you refused to introduce yourself, how does that look and what does that say? Don’t give a lecture about transparency when you are opaque.”
    Jeff, do you ask for someone’s ID at a party when they introduce themself? No. You have no clue whether someone is being transparent about their name at a party, just like you have no idea if “Tony Pierce” or “Michael Zimmer” are who we really say we are here.
    Just an argument on its merits, not its signature.

  33. htom Avatar

    The sneering questions about Kerry’s post-Vietnam activities have been around at least as long as the sneering questions about Bush’s TANG service. Both are ultimately based on “prove that you didn’t”, and are thus deserving of little (although perhaps more than no) respect.
    Do the dates, etc. about Kerry’s post-Vietnam service make it possible that he initially received other than an honorable discharge? Yes. Is this important? Maybe. Could Kerry prove that he didn’t? Maybe (anyone who thinks that Reserve records are not a mess hasn’t been paying attention!) Does the Carter Amnesty program, which would have been the basis for the alleged re-issuing, wash these doubts away? It should, for most reasonable people. If we can break the Amnesty for Kerry, who can’t we break it for?

  34. Claire Avatar

    Matthew is right, this is no ‘October Surprise’ about Kerry. It has been noted for months that there were gaping holes in his released military records. Besides the issue on the discharge certificate, there are lots of other holes. For example, there is no substantiating documentation for his first purple heart. The SwiftVets contend and Kerry has obliquely admitted that he received this first purple heart for a self-inflicted wound. But there is no supporting documentation whatsoever that tells shows who submitted it (you can’t put in for a purple heart yourself, you have to be recommended) or who approved it (neither his commanding officer at the time nor the OIC of the mission signed on anything. There is no information, so just WHO did Kerry get to give him a purple heart after the officers involved had been transferred out?
    These are the kinds of issues that keep coming up. Is it really all that critical that Kerry may have ‘fudged’ a purple heart? Not in and of itself. But it is just one example of many incidents over Kerry’s political life that are either fraudulent or highly suspicious; together they make a pattern that, in aggregate, is quite damning. Even more so to someone like myself, who specializes in auditing documentation of legal and regulatory government compliance.
    Also, take a look at the three documents found at Texas Tech’s Vietnam archives just last week. They seem to show that Kerry was either 1) working actively with the Vietnamese communists and following their well-orchestrated plans to undermine the U.S. government and allow Vietnam to win the war, or 2) he was manipulated and led around by the nose by those who identified his pro-communist sympathies and took advantage of him. Either option is not acceptable in a man who would be our President.
    I sincerely wish I could figure out Kerry’s position on the war in Iraq. Is he against it, and planning to pull out troops immediately after he is elected, as he said in one interview? Or is he determined to pursue it, more competently and ‘sensitively’ than Bush has done? Or both at the same time? I honestly haven’t a clue, and I suspect he doesn’t either. Apparently neither do many of his supporters, because a large number are declaiming loudly that he’ll do a better job than Bush in prosecuting the war, and an equally vocal group is equally certain that he’ll pull out of Iraq immediately after elected. And both point to Kerry’s own words and promises to support their position. Total unpredictability, as far as I can see.

  35. HA Avatar

    Jeff,
    My courage, politeness or transparency are of no consequence. Like I said, I’m not running for anything. The only consequence of my anonymity is that some may cynically use it as a vehicle to change the subject rather than engage on the issues. And I didn’t lecture anybody on transparency. I gently reminded you that at times you have. But when transparency turns out to be a double-edged sword that draws your preferred candidate’s own blood, you want it sheathed.
    What is of consequence is John Kerry’s military record. He is the one who is basing his qualification to be Commander in Chief on his military record. But Kerry has NOT released ALL his military records as he has claimed. And he has NOT signed the Form 180 to authorize their release. Kerry is only person whose transparency matters, and he is being opaque. He has denied the electorate the opportunity to judge his military record during the campaign. You should be appalled that he has been able to get away with this.
    And the MSM has been derelict in letting Kerry get away with this. I doubt they’ll be able to bury the issue forever if Kerry gets elected. The good professor was right to draw attention to this issue. If the MSM had been doing its job, he wouldn’t have had to. He doesn’t deserve to be bashed for it.

  36. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Ha:
    If you don’t have the courage of your convictions then I don’t have the time to bother reading what you have to say. So don’t bother. You are a nonperson by your own choice. If you don’t care enough to say what you say with your own name attached, then I certainly don’t care to read it. You are the tree that’s typing in the forest and there’s no one there to read it. Bye.

  37. Michael Avatar

    “If you don’t care enough to say what you say with your own name attached, then I certainly don’t care to read it.”
    Jeff, once again, this objection just doesn’t make sense. Just becuase HA chooses to sign her/his messages with that alias rather than some name that you deem “real” has absolutely no bearing on her/his argument. What difference does it make if s/he signs a comment with an alias like “Thomas Jones” or “Sally Worth.” How would you ever know what someone’s “own name” is? Are you ready to require commenters register with a credit card in order to verify their identity? If not, you need to drop this objection.

  38. HA Avatar

    Jeff,
    If you don’t have the courage of your convictions
    This article in Reason speaks to those who have lost the courage of their convictions:
    http://www.reason.com/cavanaugh/110104.shtml
    I must have struck a nerve with you. Otherwise, you wouldn’t resort to a variation of the “chickenhawk” argument.

  39. HA Avatar

    Via BeldarBlog, former Navy Secretary William Middendorf calls on John Kerry to release his military records:
    http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41230
    Like Glenn Reynolds said, this issue is coming too late to affect the election. But I doubt it is going away, and if it doesn’t, it will have a huge impact on a Kerry administration.

  40. HA Avatar

    Jeff,
    One last comment on this “courage of convictions” line. The Reason article I linked to makes it quite clear that liberal hawks such as yourself are the ones who lack the courage of your convictions.
    George Bush gave you the war with the liberal goals that you wanted. And when the going got tough you turned your back on him in favor of Kerry. Kerry and the Democrats have never shared your liberal war goals and if he wins, there is no possibility whatsoever that the goals you supported and that Kerry repudiates will be achieved. Kerry will cut and run if he wins this election. So 1200 men and women will have died in vain in a war you advocated because liberal hawks like you don’t have the courage of your convictions.
    Don’t lecture me about having the courage of my convictions until you display some yourself. Trashing Bush’s handling of war is the price of re-admission for wayward liberal sheep to the elitist flock you hang out in. You would rather pay that price than support the man who will stay the course in Iraq and achieve the goals you advocated and that men and women died for.
    You will regret your vote for Kerry if he wins.

  41. Richard Aubrey Avatar
    Richard Aubrey

    HA, presuming you are right about the results of a Kerry win, do you really think you’re right in your last sentence?
    IMO, the liberal hawks were enjoying a walk on the wild side, the geeks associating with the football players, knowing that they’d be able to get back to the stands before the hitting started.