Who will be President

Who will be President

: I’m at The Week’s panel with Mario Cuomo, Dick Morris, Joe Trippi, and Frank Newport of Gallup, I’ll liveblog. So I’m not packaging this. React to the quotes as you may. I make no warranty on their value. Mine away.

Newport: “Where we are now is George Bush is ahead of Kerry.” He says Bush is ahead among likelies by 7 points. Morris says the gap is larger. “Bush is substantially ahead at this point. ” Harry evans asks Cuomo whether he accepts that: “Yeah, I accept them with ease because I don’t think mean an awful lot.”

Cuomo: “The difference between the two conventions is that the Republicans did it better than the Democrats.” But he says the impact is temporary.

Trippi on polls: “I believe this one…. The Kerry campaign has two gears: Coast and fight. They really coasted in August. But I’ve seen them when they fight.”

Evans asks whether Superman will take his vest off. Trippi: “I saw Superman take his vest off in Iowa… I would never underestimate them.”

Evans asks whether the lesson of this campaign over others is that negative campaigning works.

Morris makes an aside to praise Trippi, who singlehanded “accomplished campaign finance reform in this country.”

Morris then launches into a spiel to say it’s not a campaign between men or parties but between two issues: terror or domestic policy. “The real race boils down to whether we want a wartime or a peacetime president.”

He says that the rest of the Democratic convention set domestic as the agenda and “Kerry like an idiot’ brought it back to Bush’s issue, terror. Cuomo disagrees and says that “Kerry did not talk about terror enough…. This is a war on terrorism and the President is doing everything wrong…. He does not have a plan for terrorism.”

Evans asks Trippi what he would advise Kerry: “Oh, I think he should take a hammer to these guys.”

The Gallup guy says that a poll this weekend asked what issues aren’t being talked about. The economy. Health care. Jobs. That’s what the voters said. Iraq was way down the list.

Evans asks why the Democrats keep tripping over each other. Morris says it’s because the Democrats don’t agree with each other. “The problem Kerry has is that he cannot open his mouth on these (terror) issues, he alienates half his voters.”

Trippi accepts credit, oddly, for splitting those Democrats by pushing the antiwar agenda.

Morris, disagreeing with Cuomo, says the more the Democrats talk terrorism — “Bush issues” — the more they hurt themselves; they should be talking about domestic issues because “those are the issues Kerry leads on.”

Evans asks how many people in the room think Kerry should concentrate on terrorism now. Only a half dozen out of a few hundred raise their hands.

Morris says that Bush will stick with one issue in all the debates: terror in foreign policy, homeland security in the domestic debate.

Pathetic Nader guy now gets microphone. “America is about jobs and computerization takes away jobs,” he says. What, Nader is becoming the Stone Age candidate: Vote Flinstone?

Russell Simmons is on the phone to talk get-out-the-vote. He says “the number one concern of these people is the war on poverty and ignorance.” Oh, that war.

The Gallup guy debunks what they call “the Michael Moore hypothesis… It’s an urban myth that somehow if you bring young people into the voting stream, they’re going to vote one-for-one for Kerry.” He says young people are split, too.

Holly Hunter stands up. I love that accent. “I’m here just to talk a little about People for the American Way” and avoid the problems with disenfranchisement in the last election and educate voters on their rights. Is it wrong for me to also notice how athletic she looks? Well, if it is, ignore that.

Cuomo emphasizes the issue of Supreme Court appointment. Morris asks why Cuomo didn’t say yes to Clinton’s nomination to the Court. Cuomo says Ginsberg was better than he would be.

It’s getting duller. Amazin g how even this election can get dull.

Trippi says “I really believe there’s a pretty good chance that Kerry is going to win the popular vote by an even bigger margin than Gore did in the end” while it’s still likely that Bush will win the electoral vote.

Morris theorizes that this could be in part because, following Clinton’s lead, campaigns run commercials only in swing states.

Now Michael Dukakis is on the phone. Of course, Evans asks about negative campaigning. “I did a terrible job of dealing with it,” Dukakis concedes. He says no one believes the “independent’ committee is independent and “on the whole Kerry has done a pretty good job of dealing with that…. At least Willie Horton happened. I had to deal with this story that I’d had a nervous breakdown…” That is, with lies “you find your campaign stopped.” He said the press would not touch the story until “the incumbent president called me ‘the invalid’ and then it was in play.”

Mario speaks. Dukakis interrupts: “You gave me lousy advice, remember? You said don’t pay any attention” to the attacks…. “At least at the time it happens, you gotta deal with it.”

Evans asks whether Cuomo was tempted to hit back in kind. “Well, I did, but much too late,” Dukakis says.

Monica Crowley of FoxNews complains that the conversation about negative advertising is “extremely one-sided.” Cue Soros line.

Dukakis responds: “We’ve had negative campaigning… This is about telling the truth… The business about Kerry and the Swift Boats is a pack of lies… The business about my mental health is a pack of lies.” Morris gives the other side of that. You know the drill. No need to waste more pixels on it.

Trippi says that when you start with Bush, who had negatives, you have one way out, which is to emphasize the other guy’s negatives and “it’s mutually assured destruction.”

Cuomo: “There’s no doubt that negative works.” He said he ran a campaign insisting on “nothing but positive” and “the polls went nowhere and then they went negative and I went down like a stone in the pond, including an ad that said I’d stolen $14 from the state treasury for a license for my dog, Ginger.”

Cuomo: “I am not going to call him a liar about weapons of mass destruction…. But I tell you this: It would be easy to call a liar with the evidence since.”

Cuomo gets on the stump and can’t stop; on a roll.

Morris stands up and starts shouting and shaking: “The Garment District was not blown up because of George Bush’s Patriot Act!” Now he’s on the stump and on the roll. He goes on about al-Qaeda buying a Garment District business to use import licenses for Stinger missiles.

Hmmm. Al-Qaeda fashions.

Cuomo: “Dick, I would have thought that even now even a political consultant could have gotten away with trying to sell the Brooklyn Bride, but you did.”

Now its a Cuomo v. Morris fistfight.

Evans asks whether the next campaign will be different because of the Internet.

Trippi: “By 2008 you will see a real third party emerge in this country.”

I always said that Dean’s real agenda was to launch a third party. I’d call that a tacit admission.

He said you’ll see a Republican and Democrat with $200 million each and someone else with $300 million.

Morris says we’ll see a fight between Hillary Clinton and Edwards for the nomination.

Morris praises Trippi again for his campaign finance reform and says that “the other part of that revolution is that people have stopped watching television” and the focus of attention in campaigns will shift to the internet.

The Gallup guy says we have problems because elected leaders “pay too little attention to the wisdom of the people themselves.” Amen! He says there’ll be less interest in what candidates say and whether they listen to us. Amen again!

Cuomo looks for one big change in 2008: Let the parties have their exercise in narcisim in conventions “but then in October have an unconventional convention: all debates.” Not just candidates but the experts and leaders across the board. Amen to that, too.

24 responses to “Who will be President”

  1. sbw Avatar

    Morris: “The real race boils down to whether we want a wartime or a peacetime president.”
    Of all the different ways to separate a pound of hamburger, this is the silliest. A President has to deal with both simultaneously.

  2. sbw Avatar

    As a pundit, Cuomo behaved peculiarly after Rudy Giuliani spoke at the Republican Convention. Mario said the speakers hadn’t connected Iraq to the War on Terror immediately after Rudy explicitly did so.
    When Cuomo is logical, I love talking with him. When he goes political, he sometimes is not logical.

  3. Mike NYC Avatar

    Hi Jeff, I love the liveblogging. Especially the Nader line from you, which was obviously a Jarvis gut reaction. Brilliant. I laughed out loud.

  4. Angelos Avatar

    As one economic indicator after another heads downward, except for deficits and debt…
    As more lies and scandals come to the fore (these are just today)…
    -The Bush administration illegally withheld data from Congress on the cost of the new Medicare law, and as a penalty, the former head of the Medicare agency, Thomas A. Scully, should repay seven months of his salary to the government, federal investigators said Tuesday. … Lawmakers of both parties said the law would not have passed in its current form if Congress had known of the higher cost estimates, prepared by the chief actuary, Richard S. Foster, a career civil servant who has worked for the government since 1973 and received an award for outstanding service in 2001.
    -The Globe, CBS, Ben Barnes, and many others finally blowing his National Guard “service” bullshit to smithereens
    -“A two-month hiatus before major force is applied to rebel areas would also mean a delay until after the American presidential election, but senior officials insist there is no domestic political calculus in the decision to wait – only a conviction that time is needed for negotiation and for Iraqi forces to gain strength.” One more sign of US desperation: local residents say insurgents control the city of Samarra but US commanders say that isn’t true, claiming that “the messages at Friday prayer are becoming more and more moderate.” Military officials having to characterize the tenor of Friday prayers is a sad sign indeed.
    -How many DWIs does our president have, and how recently WAS he doing cocaine now? Our “honorable” president?
    As Cheney keeps reducing his credibility with his constant fear-mongering. Backed up by Tom Ridge when necessary…
    As American deaths go up, with no sign of abatement…
    As worldwide terrorist attacks go up, while Georgie-boy is telling us how he’s keeping us safe…
    As Bush cowers from debates…
    It will become quite evident who we should vote for.

  5. chuck Avatar

    I’m willing to bet that Dukakis is unfamiliar with John O’Neill or the contents of his book. Just shooting his mouth off with the “pack of lies” comment. Sorry, Jeff, I put you in the same category. One might withhold judgement, or express suspicion, about something like the book. But to label it *without*, as far as I can tell, knowing what it contains is just, well, politics — the barstool writ large.

  6. freddie poo Avatar
    freddie poo

    which all goes to show that pndits love to talk and talk and we will know nothing till the day of election. Or, the day the Supreme Court rules. What got missed: electoral college! the know-it-alls do not mention this and yet this is what determines winner and this is what had impact on previous election. If they do not mention this simple but important item, how good are they?

  7. sbw Avatar

    Wall Street Journal dissects the Electoral College bogus argument on today’s editorial page (subscribers only): If it’s an outrage against majority rule that President Bush was elected while receiving only 47.9% of the popular vote, would it be that much less so if Mr. Gore had won with 48.4%? And what about Bill Clinton, who mustered a mere 43% of the popular vote in 1992?

  8. Mike Avatar

    Hey there’s that independent minded Angelos at it again with his Bush rants. You know I’m beginning to think that Angelos is Michael Moore. Get over yourself Angelos, you sound ridiculous.

  9. HE Avatar

    Angelos – Funny stuff. Did you ever try out for “Last Comic Standing”? You should. Hysterical.

  10. henry Avatar

    Great blogging Jeff! Let everyone else read three sentences in the Times tomorrow.

  11. Angelos Avatar

    I guess the casualties aren’t over 1000, and have actually ACCELERATED since Bush told us things are getting better at the beginning of August.
    (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm)
    I guess it’s NOT an established fact that Bush lied about the cost of his Medicare program to get it passed. Of course, as is the norm with the Bush family, they get someone else to do the dirty work, and pay the price.
    (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/08/politics/08medicare.html)
    (http://charleston.net/stories/050404/wor_04medcost.shtml)
    (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131699,00.html)
    I guess Cheney didn’t say that a Kerry victory will bring on terrorist attacks.
    (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040907/D84V15AG0.html)
    I guess Tom Ridge didn’t annouce more vague terrorist plans to disrupt the elections, only 20 minutes after the 100th US casualty was made news.
    AP: ‘U.S. death toll in Iraq passes 1,000 mark’ … 4:27 PM, Sept. 7th, 2004
    AP: ‘Ridge: Terrorists hope to disrupt election’ … 4:40 PM, Sept. 7th, 2004
    Sorry Mike and HE, I know facts must be disorienting to you. But this independent voter has seen enough.
    You? You can wallow in your own fucking stupidity. It’s the first sign of a Bush voter.

  12. Mike Avatar

    Wow Angelos, that’s a lot of links, good work, you get a gold star for the day. I enjoy reading your “independent” take on these events. Independent as you define it, is anything but Bush. I can’t wait to hear your independent review of Kitty Kelley’s new book and your independent take on Dan Rather’s interview tonight of Ben Barnes.
    Of course that’s just one person’s review of your over-inflated ego. One person that is wallowing in his own stupidity.

  13. Angelos Avatar

    It’s so hard to get through Bushy skulls that there are endless reasons to not vote for their boy. Thick, thick, thick.
    I don’t know if Kerry is the perfect solution. I do know that absolutely no president in history has been both as incompetent and as corrupt as GWB. Out he must go.
    In 4 years, if Kerry sucks, I’ll boot his ass too.
    There is not one valid argument for continuity here, no matter what Cheney tries to tell us. Bombs in October, bombs in January, they’re going to happen regardless of which guy is president. Bush is protecting us from nothing. And our own domestic situation is getting worse and worse.
    As hard as it is for you to wrap your brain around, many people didn’t start out against Bush. We’ve had 3.5 years worth of convincing, by Bush himself.
    Facts, as listed above. Even at Fox!!! Of course, the whole Medicare thing is not on the home page. That would be too disturbing to the constituency.
    Do you not see your own hypocricy, when you’ll dismiss Ben Barnes out of hand, but you’ll suck the teat of a Swift Boat guy? Just asking. I guess for there to be cognitive dissonance, there must be cognition.
    But forget Barnes. He only admitted under oath that he made the phone call that helped W hide.
    How about the Globe today? How about all those new document that FOIA lawsuits dug up, after Ari and Scotty told us how they’d released all the records? How about no one can actually recall Bush being where he was supposed to? How did “his service” get called “‘satisfactory’ — just four months after Bush’s commanding officer wrote that Bush had not been seen at his unit for the previous 12 months.”? After he “performed no service for one six-month period in 1972 and for another period of almost three months in 1973, the records show.”
    And my favorite:
    On July 30, 1973, shortly before he moved from Houston to Cambridge, Bush signed a document that declared, “It is my responsibility to locate and be assigned to another Reserve forces unit or mobilization augmentation position. If I fail to do so, I am subject to involuntary order to active duty for up to 24 months…” Under Guard regulations, Bush had 60 days to locate a new unit. But Bush never signed up with a Boston-area unit.
    Damned facts again…

  14. Andy Avatar

    Between your post and the comments it’s clear that the Democrat Party has no new ideas. This is not 1972, but no-one would know it from the issues cited.
    Kerry has run a stealth campaign. Anti-Bush most of the time then vague and ill-defined promises the rest of the time. No new ideas. No goals.
    No compelling reason to vote Kerry.
    Not being Bush ain’t enough.
    If Healthcare is the BIG concern why is there no legislative history from Kerry? IF budget deficits are a concern HOWCOME there is no legislative vote on that subject? 20 Years with no fingerprints on any legislation, tsk, tsk, tsk.
    Scaring the olde folkes is just pathetic.

  15. Mike Avatar

    Keep fighting the good fight Angelos! Some day you’re going to be remembered as the only one who could see it all so clearly.

  16. Shamus Young Avatar

    This was great Jeff, thanks for letting us sit in with you. I would also like to commend you for the generous way in which you’ve allowed Angelos to launch his (?) own blog in your comments section. :)

  17. HE Avatar

    Wow! I had no idea Angelos was one of the oh so important “Independants” (they are SOOO much smarter then the rest of us), but now that i know he is, and he is making so many valuable “Independant” points on why i shouldn’t vote for Bush…I guess i should be voting for…Nader? Is that your point?
    “In four years if Kerry sucks i’ll boot his ass too!”
    Wow. 1) Your one vote will not be powerful enough to boot anyone’s ass, 2) Kerry has a good a shot of winning as you do.
    I imagine in your mind you are the most important person in the world. When i grow up i hope to be half as smart as you, Angelos. You’re my hero.

  18. Ken Layne Avatar

    Good stuff, Jeff.
    I am wondering why the Dem side isn’t talking about the *actual* new polls. Maybe it was a morning conference.
    Anyway, interesting stuff here for poll fanatics like myself:
    http://www.icrsurvey.com/ICRInTheNews/Presidential_Tracker_0907.html
    http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=860
    Cuomo sure is boring. I know he’s supposed to be so smart, but wouldn’t it be smart to say something interesting?

  19. anne.elk Avatar

    Thanks for blogging this. Did you do this on your Treo? How did you enter this in realtime?
    P.S. I’m glad to see the RNC bounce is almost played out. Good to know that Kerry has the big mo again. We’re going on to the Whitehouse!

  20. garyatlarge Avatar
    garyatlarge

    Interesting that Cuomo didn’t give a direct answer to the question about why he declined Clinton’s offer of a Supreme Court seat. It couldn’t have been his intense interest in budget negotiations with the New York state legislature at the time.
    Ruth Bader Ginsburg probably is a more able Justice than Cuomo would have been (professor at Columbia Law School; appellate judge on the D.C. Circuit), but Cuomo’s gracious compliment is still a dodge.
    Again, it’s notable that a man so voluble and loquacious on so many other topics goes mum on this one.

  21. Andrea Harris Avatar

    Hey, anne-elk, I thought you were Canadian. What’s this “we” garbage?

  22. Angelos Avatar

    I can’t seem to figure out what your problems are, M & H.
    I’m expressing an opinion, backing it up with the reasons I have it. Again, if the facts are too painful for you…
    If the best you can do in response is say “nanny nanny boo boo” like you haven’t gotten out of 3rd grade, then I guess it’s no surprise you’ll vote for Bush.
    Or, you could try to explain WHY you’re voting for him. Tell us what he’s done right. Tell the families of the 1000+ dead (and that’s just Americans) that Saddam was directly behind 9/11, so that’s why we invaded Iraq. Tell the survivors in Jakarta how much safer the world is now that we’re on the case. The America’s poor and unemployed that the economy is getting better.
    Then, tell your children how much the deficits that paid for my tax cut will cost them. Tell them how much the invasion of Iraq will cost them.

  23. Angelos Avatar

    I can’t seem to figure out what your problems are, M & H.
    I’m expressing an opinion, backing it up with the reasons I have it. Again, if the facts are too painful for you…
    If the best you can do in response is say “nanny nanny boo boo” like you haven’t gotten out of 3rd grade, then I guess it’s no surprise you’ll vote for Bush.
    Or, you could try to explain WHY you’re voting for him. Tell us what he’s done right. Tell the families of the 1000+ dead (and that’s just Americans) that Saddam was directly behind 9/11, so that’s why we invaded Iraq. Tell the survivors in Jakarta how much safer the world is now that we’re on the case. The America’s poor and unemployed that the economy is getting better.
    Then, tell your children how much the deficits that paid for my tax cut will cost them. Tell them how much the invasion of Iraq will cost them.

  24. sbw Avatar

    Angelos…
    Decades ago, in college, I dropped my Political Science major because, while what the department was teaching was true, they dwelt on little-t truths. What they taught was true, but not useful.
    Your broad brush stroke diatribe may cover some little-t truths, but the solutions proposed as the Democratic alternative don’t stand up to even mild scrutiny.
    For instance, you say, “As American deaths go up, with no sign of abatement…” as if the number of unfortunate souls lost is an appropriate indicator of when to fight and when to give up. Meanwhile, the Democratic alternative to go to the United Nations fails to take into account the French national interest and security council vote that stymied following up on Resolution 1441.
    And domestically, I don’t appreciate the Democratic economic policy of impatience that too frequently proposes to throw my money at other people’s problems as if it is likely to be a solution.
    So, whatever the Republican failings, too many arguments for an alternative to Bush come across as shrill and thin. If Bush wins, it will be for lack of a credible alternative proposing a sensible future.
    In other words, your current arguments are unconvincing. Find another way to earn my vote.