Arrested

Arrested

: I spent last night around the HQ of the protest movement as I came and went from the PS122 blog event; buzz all about.

I heard people talking excitedly about getting arrested. For some, it is the goal; it’s part of the game; it’s fun; it’s a badge of honor. Not for others.

Julian Sanchez of Reason’s convention blog was pacing back and forth at 10 m.p.h. getting updates on his cell about a bomb square downtown and he told me about covering a bunch of arrests at the World Trade Center, a game of he-said-she-said orderly-or-disorderly.

Arrest used to be about steel: steel handcuffs, steel bars. Now it’s about plastic: plastic strips on your wrists, plastic netting to pen in the protestors until they’re processed.

Fellow blogger Rossi almost got arrested last night — she didn’t want to, her other half did — and she blogged about it immediately.

And I’m waiting to get the report from John Perry Barlow, who was supposed to be on the panel last night but who was off dancing as protest in midtown and was sending in SMS messages relayed to the crowd at PS122. Arrests were happening, he reported. We have no idea whether he danced or danced free or danced into plastic bars.

I certainly understand the arrest-as-protest thing. It was the metaphor of protest of my age, first for civil rights, then for Vietnam. I never got arrested (wimp!) but it happened all the time, all around.

But now, it seems like an odd means to an end. Does getting arrested help make the point? Well, it does if you’re arrested by the enemy. But New York isn’t the enemy or an agent of it. The New York cops are generally polite and friendly (and happy for all the overtime pay). New York is a Democratic town; this ain’t Texas. Matt Welch said yesterday that it’s a different matter in L.A., when you can’t see the beetle-eyes of cops behind sunglasses, you fear arrest or worse. In New York, you fear a gruff grunt and plastic jail. Hell, the one person seriously injured so far in the protests was a cop.

So do you have to get arrested to make your point? I don’t think so. Do the cops have to arrest to keep order? In many cases, no.

When I spoke with Jay Rosen last night, he said that too many people — media people particularly — are trying vainly to make 2004 into 1968, though there really are very few parallels; they are different times with different causes, a different experience.

If getting arrested isn’t necessary to make your point or to get publicity or to make the power look by by turning the arresting agent into the bad guy, then is getting arrested really a form of protest nostalgia?

I said the other day that demonstrations themselves feel a bit anachronistic in this age when people have so many new ways to be heard.

The conventions are certainly anachronisitc in this age when all the decisions are already made and all the spin well spun.

So everything the city is going through this week is so oddly anachronistic … EXCEPT the concrete and steel barriers everywhere, and the cops and soldiers with huge guns, and the checkpoints where we our bags are checked as if we were in Tel Aviv, and the huge trucks filled with sand and steel ramps meant to stop suicide trucks, and the Checkpoint Charlies on our streets, many of which are closed. That we have never seen before. That is new. And that is because the real enemy isn’t the other side in a political argument or a mayor or a cop or a president. The real enemy is a band of sick terrorists who killed thousands of us only a mile south of here three years ago next week. That is the real war and there’s nothing fun or a game about it.

So, oddly, the anachronisms of the convention and of the protests on the other side are oddly comforting. OK, we’ll all play along and nominate the president who’s already nominated and we’ll wrap you in plastic and play along. It all looks like a game.

42 responses to “Arrested”

  1. Halley Avatar

    Glad to hear your up-close-and-personal version of NYC during the RNC. Getting arrested sure sounds silly and adolescent. If it is supposed to prove a point — I’m missing it.

  2. Kat Avatar

    I hope that the cop who was beaten senseless recovers and the criminal who beat him gets his wish of getting arrested and spends a long time in a cell.

  3. JorgXMcKie Avatar
    JorgXMcKie

    Maybe it depends on the arrest. I was arrested for protesting protestors in the late ’60s. One of me got arrested and around 25 of them for violating my rights. They were blocking the way to a Marine recruiter on campus and I (a discharged vet) was attempting to gain access. It got a little rowdy, not violent, but even the campus cops on hand could figure this one out. They took the easy way and arrested all of us. Some fun. Most of them were bailed out in less than 4 hours. Took me ’til the next day. (They had waaaaaaaaay more money than I did. I don’t know from where. I had a full-time job plus attending a full class load, and they didn’t, so . . .)

  4. JorgXMcKie Avatar
    JorgXMcKie

    Maybe it depends on the arrest. I was arrested for protesting protestors in the late ’60s. One of me got arrested and around 25 of them for violating my rights. They were blocking the way to a Marine recruiter on campus and I (a discharged vet) was attempting to gain access. It got a little rowdy, not violent, but even the campus cops on hand could figure this one out. They took the easy way and arrested all of us. Some fun. Most of them were bailed out in less than 4 hours. Took me ’til the next day. (They had waaaaaaaaay more money than I did. I don’t know from where. I had a full-time job plus attending a full class load, and they didn’t, so . . .)

  5. Kelty Avatar

    I think the point of getting arrested is so they can bitch about being arrested by ‘the man.’

  6. John Avatar

    The protestors seem to think that by getting arrest, the public at large will think that George W. Bush and the Republican National Committee are the ones slapping the handcuffs on the demonstrators, which will produce a backlash a la Chicago ’68 with Richard Daley’s police.
    The problem is the public at large, and especially those outside of New York, still associate the NYPD with 9/11 and the huge loss of life the city’s emergency personnel suffered when the towers collapsed. With that view in mind, most people are going to be siding with the police rather than the protestors when any arrests occur.

  7. carsonfire Avatar

    Fascinating reflections on changing times, thanks!

  8. Sissy Willis Avatar

    Perhaps not so comforting to the NYPD, whose personnel and resources must now be diverted from the murderous enemy without to the pestering enemy within.

  9. Scott Avatar

    As one who’s participated in protests of this scale, I have to agree that I’ve never understood the “let’s get arrested” mentality for a demonstration like this. It doesn’t make sense. I was arrested in April 2000 in DC at a protest (along with 600+ other people) on BS charges — and believe me, if I (and others, including the handful of non-protestors who were caught in the net) could’ve avoided it, I would have. It costs money, takes time and nobody (outsie of the protesting world) gives a shit. Ultimately, the charges (“parading without a permit”) didn’t stick and the commanding officer at the time said simply that the arrests were “prudent.”
    On the other hand, there are varieties of protest where forcing arrest does make sense — but in a place like NY or DC, at a demo as large as this one, getting arrested intentionally seems sillly.

  10. whatisee Avatar

    Callalillie had a similiar near miss in the same area. She didn’t get out in time, but had a thin pretext of a reason to be in the neighborhood.
    http://www.callalillie.com/archives/001332.html

  11. sbw Avatar

    Do you suppose that shouting louder makes a point of view more compelling?
    The idea that “A good idea can come from anywhere” is the cornerstone of civilization. The corollary, “A bad idea can come from anywhere” stands equal to it, counseling humility. Conversation helps sort one from the other. Shouting — demonstrating and getting arrested for it — cuts that conversation off.
    Ideas presented by demonstration, worthwhile or not, undermine the development of even better ideas. It’s not worth it.

  12. Harry in Atlanta Avatar
    Harry in Atlanta

    Hey Jeff,
    I went to your buddy Rossi’s sight and in the first paragraph and I read this gem,
    “But the truth is
    George Bush Junior
    Scares me
    I think he

  13. John Avatar

    The progressives have their heads up their pasts.

  14. shell Avatar

    I thought the point of getting protest-by-arrest was to get arrested for breaking a law you think is immoral. In a police state, where gathering and protesting is illegal, then it truly is an act of courage and meaning to get arrested while defying the law. But getting arrested for making an ass of yourself doesn’t seem particularly useful for making a point.

  15. Mike NYC Avatar

    Halley, I saw some of the arrests last night, and they did seem to prove a point. Not all of them did, I’m sure. But if they wanted the RNC to know they weren’t welcomed by everyone here in our fine city, I’d say it was a success.
    Some kids staged a sit-in that temporaily prevented the passage of busses (ridulously) carrying delegates into the Garden. If those delegates wanted to make it to the speeches on time, the police made them exit their protective covering and walk to the Garden. And boy did they get an earful during their walk. I’d say those arrests were worthwhile.
    Sorry you missed the point. I guess the arrestees need a better PR agency.

  16. Angus Jung Avatar
    Angus Jung

    “I guess the arrestees need a better PR agency.”
    Or a babysitter.

  17. Mikey Avatar

    Mike NYC: Okay, the protesters shouted at some delegates. What was accomplished? Change their minds? Change the mind of a neutral person? Or make the shouter feel big? I think the last.
    No, the arrests and the protests really don’t make much of a point anymore. This isn’t the Jim Crow South, this is a political convention in 2004. Shouting and carrying on is going to do…what? Convince who? Its all an ego trip for the protester, its to make the protester feel good about him/herself.
    I think the protesters need to get a real life.

  18. ken Avatar

    I think Shell hits the nail on the head. It’s not like anyone was stopping protesters from protesting. And it’s not like every paper in the city didn’t give at least one columnist (or 300 like Metro did) a shot at saying “RNC GET THE HELL OUT” in its pages.
    Here’s the more important point. The “arrest me” crowd is acting irresponsibly and immorally for one reason. It is diverting the attention of cops and law enforcement from REAL threats. While the police SHOULD be worrying about suspicious packages and bombs on trains, they’re having to deal with pissant anarchists trying to hobble horses and set things on fire.

  19. card Avatar

    As a bystander to the 2000 Republican Convention in Philadelphia, I also saw rowdy demonstrators. Certainly the times are different today, the place is different, the topics are different, but the antics I saw then, up close and personal, were staged more to get the news cameras’ attention I thought than to land anyone in an overnight pen. Sign carriers and costumed protestors backed off when cops started staging their own antics. It looked to me then that demonstrators were just pushing the envelope, retreating when they found limits.
    But that was then.
    Also then, and of note, were the Shadow Conventions … parallel conventions held to debate issues that neither party was felt to be adequately addressing. They were (supposedly) bipartisan, citizen- and celebrity-infused forums that, in the case of the RNC’s Shadow Convention, put back on the table issues such as a failed drug war and the increasing wealth gap. Believe it or not, the keynote speaker at the mostly left-leaning RNC Shadow Convention in 2000 was Senator John McCain. Other guests included Ariana Huffington, journalist William Greider, Senator Paul Wellstone, Jesse Jackson, and Al Franken. I haven’t heard of a set of 2004 Shadow Conventions of the scale 4 years ago, which is unfortunate. I witnessed them acting as a more positive lightening rod for the dissenting voice than today’s plastic pens.

  20. Mike NYC Avatar

    Sorry Mikey, but I disagree. The delegates shouldn’t get a free pass. They should hear — up close and personal — how people feel about them being here. It is worthwhile, and I don’t think the RNC will be back any time soon.
    Ken, I agree. If only the cops could go to Afghanistan and deal with real threats.

  21. Vox Avatar

    “It is worthwhile, and I don’t think the RNC will be back any time soon.”
    Considering it will be four years before they have another nominating convention, and they tend to alternate cities, I think that is a safe bet. The protests didn’t bring that about, it is the standard way of doing business. I don’t think the DNC will be back in Boston anytime soon, either.
    As for the arrests, just a stupid waste of resources so the idiots can have something to tell their friends and/or grandchildren – “I remember back in ’04, I was arrested by the man for tellin’ it like it is” or some such nonsense. It is their right to assemble and demonstrate, it is not their right to become disruptive and disorderly – that is the action that leads to their arrest.

  22. Bryan C Avatar

    And, of course, if the worst should happen and there is a terrorist attack in NYC, the brave protestors will be running straight to the evil bad police as fast as they can carry their giant puppets. Self-aggrandizing children.

  23. Mike NYC Avatar

    Bryan C, many of the protestors don’t think the police are evil and bad. Just like most of them aren’t trying to get arrested. They may keep track of the tactics police use with a watchful eye, and that is certainly reasonable. Geesh. Enough of the self-aggrandizing crap.

  24. Andy Avatar

    Protesting, acting rowdy, getting arrested, maybe get a few bruises is a part of asexual dance ritual. Young men act brave, demonstrate caring for deep issues, and get wounded.
    It worked 35 years ago. It works today.
    Until someone takes the game seriously and starts a war. Stupidity outbreaks happen. Then nobody gets laid. This is all about sex.

  25. Joe Baby Avatar

    Change my mind, and my vote will follow. Threaten my body, or curse me in public, and the discussion is over.
    When will people (and hey, both sides are guilty) learn this?

  26. Mike NYC Avatar

    Excellent point, Joe Baby. Not that the delegates’ votes were ever going to be changed anyway. Safe to say they aren’t swing voters. Not that Bush is ever going to change his mind. That’s what makes him such a strong leader.

  27. rogozhin Avatar

    On a related topic, is there some way to find out how many people are/were arrested as a result of their protesting at the RNC or the DNC? I’d be interested to see that number for comparison…

  28. Kat Avatar

    That worm at Daily Kos who once said screw them when four Americans were tortured, murdered, burned, and hung from a bridge by muslims, is suggesting Democrats go there and cause a ruckus. This guy is a big fundraiser for Kerry. Wonder if Bush should whine and splutter like Kerry is doing about the Swifties.

  29. shark Avatar

    But if they wanted the RNC to know they weren’t welcomed by everyone here in our fine city, I’d say it was a success.
    Too bad most of these losers came from out of town. Most new yorkers have jobs and lives to lead, showers to take, unlike these guys.
    The delegates shouldn’t get a free pass. They should hear — up close and personal — how people feel about them being here.
    It works both ways. You can be sure that when it comes time to divvy up federal money in a GOP controlled congress, NYC needs won’t be high on the list.

  30. Bryan C Avatar

    You’re right, Mike NYC. I apologize for being so broad. Among the masses of people playing at being 60’s anti-establishment types I’m sure there are some sincere folks with intelligent things to say and respect for the role of the police. But those who deliberately try to get get arrested (or do things that logically lead to arrest, like hurting people or destroying property) are, indeed, acting like spoiled children.

  31. Kathy Avatar

    When I spoke with Jay Rosen last night, he said that too many people — media people particularly — are trying vainly to make 2004 into 1968, though there really are very few parallels

    I’ve been wondering about who was driving this comparison and thought that it was the media trying to relive their youth and how they thought they changed the world.

    Looks like someone else thinks the same thing.

    That’s why I think the “old journalists” who remember Watergate as the media takedown of Nixon, want to be able to recreate that with Bush by their not even hidden bias towards Kerry.

    Whatever happened to good investigative reporting, regardless of where the chips fall?

  32. shark Avatar

    It is worthwhile, and I don’t think the RNC will be back any time soon
    As opposed to the DNC, who couldn’t be bothered to come in the first place…

  33. The Man Avatar

    That Rossi piece was fantastic:

    feel so angry
    That the climate in this city
    And in this country
    Is that if you speak out against this president you are un-American
    When speaking out
    Speaking freely is what being American is all about
    So I think again
    About the chant of our young charged leaders in our ill-fated march

  34. shark Avatar

    Among the masses of people playing at being 60’s anti-establishment types I’m sure there are some sincere folks with intelligent things to say and respect for the role of the police
    I been in NYC all week, and I haven’t seen them. I’ve seen lots of unwashed ignorants with too much time or money playing revolutionary. I’ve seen too many college students and old hippie wasteds toot communisms horn. I’ve seen hordes of anti-semites demanding Palestine destroy Israel. And I’ve smelled them. The city stinks of unwashed hippie.
    Freedom of speech. Let them talk, good for them, they had their moment of acting like a moron on the streets. But lets not impart anything more noble or intellectual than that to these cretins

  35. Andrea Harris Avatar

    Hey, Mike NYC, you keep harping on how “we” need to tell the RNC that it isn’t welcome in “our” city. Who exactly died and made you and your group of whatever you are the owners of the city? Are you saying that inhabitants of New York who don’t agree with you (and I am sure there are some, and they might not even work for the mayor’s office) should pack up and leave?

  36. Kat Avatar

    Mike sounds like someone else we know about–Osama wants all non muslims to leave his holy ground too.

  37. Kat Avatar

    I wonder if this protest is proving a point??
    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040901/481/kat10109010724

  38. shell Avatar

    Bryan C: Among the masses of people playing at being 60’s anti-establishment types I’m sure there are some sincere folks with intelligent things to say and respect for the role of the police
    shark: I been in NYC all week, and I haven’t seen them.
    I wonder if the people with intelligent things to stay realized they’d reach a larger audience and influence more people by blogging than by protesting?

  39. Mike NYC Avatar

    Wow, did I just get compared to Osama? Interesting. Perhaps I’ll get a visit from the FBI soon.
    No, Andrea, that’s not what I said at all. Idiot. By all means, everyone who wants the delegates here has a right to speak as well. And I’m sure they’ll be provided with some of the ridiculous police protection that’s all over my block. Jerk.

  40. Andrea Harris Avatar

    Mike, I read what you said. You said “our.” You said — and I quote from your comments above:

    But if they wanted the RNC to know they weren’t welcomed by everyone here in our fine city, I’d say it was a success.

    And:

    The delegates shouldn’t get a free pass. They should hear — up close and personal — how people feel about them being here.

    (bolds added for emphasis.) Now I ask you again — and I’d like you to try and control your inner toddler and reply civilly — who died and made you and the people who agree with you the ones who have the right to say who is and is not welcome in New York City? And if you say you didn’t mean it that way, you sure picked a funny way to not mean it.

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