Dear John,

Dear John,

: In this, the final chapter of Arianna Huffington Day in New York, she talked last night to a small group at the Citizens Table dinner. It’s usually off-the-record but she whispered to me before the dinner began, “Does that include bloggers?” I said that was up to her. She was, of course, fine with more mentions. Amid her always-amusing and charming spiel, this was new to me:

Arianna said she and Joe Trippi have created a petition to John Kerry:

We all want to send George Bush home to Crawford, Texas in November. We know that Bush will try to win by playing on our fears, appealing to our worst instincts, and keeping us divided from each other and the world. You can prove that the answer lies in appealing to the “better angels of our nature” and uniting us.

Let Bush own September 11th and the politics of fear. You should own September 12th – the spirit of generosity, courage, and community that poured forth in the aftermath of the attacks – and the politics of hope.

Offer voters a bold moral vision of what America can be. A vision that is bigger than the things that divide us. A vision that brings hope and soul back to our politics and appeals to more than voters’ narrow self-interests. A vision that makes America once again a respected force for good in the world.

Dont be tempted to adopt the familiar – and failed – Republican-lite swing-voter strategy. Instead, you can reach out and inspire the fifty percent of eligible voters who have given up on voting altogether. If you do, you will win not in a toss-up, but in a landslide.

Senator Kerry, I’m ready to vote my hopes and not my fears. So please: Go Big, Ask More!

I’m not sure what to think of this. On the one hand, you could see this as an expression of citizens’ media and politics: The people speak to the candidate. On the other hand, if two Democratic machers feel the need to start a petition to get their candidate on the right track or chugging faster, doesn’t that imply that they fear he could be the engine that couldn’t? I prefer to see it as the former, because I, too, have been pushing Kerry for a stronger, clearer strategy on Iraq (quoting Micah Sifry’s admonition: “You can’t beat something with nothing”) and it’s a lot easier to be heard not as one person online but as — taking Arianna’s latest tally — 300,000.

Strength in numbers is something I learned at yesterday’s Personal Democracy Forum. Rep. Weiner emhasized that he reads his mail from his district but it’s clear that the more letters he gets on a topic or the bigger media presence that pays attention, the more attention he pays. And the Kerry campaign’s CTO said the campaign gets 10-15,000 emails a day and they use it to tally up the buzz that’s out there. Not sure what to do about that in this blog world; I think there needs to be a way to aggregate opinion and express it as a movement. Strength in numbers.

52 responses to “Dear John,”

  1. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    I was talking politics with some friends over the weekend, and this topic came up. I’ve also posted similar thoughts in other threads here at Buzzmachine: Kerry hasn’t said a THING yet. Not one strong position I can remember.
    He wrapped up the nomination how long ago? And no he wants to postpone accepting it too until after the convention? Does he think a massive October “issue” blitz will win the election? If so, he needs to fire some advisors.
    Here GW is falling, falling, falling, all Kerry needs to do is step on his throat when he’s down. But nothing.
    I can’t possibly vote for Bush. It’s up to Kerry if I vote for anyone at all, and he’s not very convincing so far.

  2. Robert S. Avatar

    Dude. Don’t blame *Kerr* for you decision not to vote. You can vote for whoever you want.
    But if you really think four more years of Bush is better than a President Kerry, I would rather you didn’t vote.
    We need a President who’ll reach out to the international community again. Who replace some of the tight-right idealogues like Ashcroft with people who properly represent mainstream America. If you haven’t figured out that Kerry would be a tremendous improvement on that, well, keep thinking about it.

  3. Mike Avatar

    We need a President who’ll reach out to the international community again.
    What does that mean exactly? And what does Kerry offer that Bush doesn’t? The only thing I can think of is Kerry’s faith in the UN. A scandalously corrupt organization that has accomplished nothing, with the exception of bolstering the tyrants it professes to try and stop.

  4. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    I know I can vote for whoever I want. But a candidate has to earn it, I don’t like voting on the lesser of two evils theory.
    Mike is right about the UN as an organization. It is irrelevant to the world of the future. But if by “reaching out” you mean something like actual DIPLOMACY, yes, we could use a little of that.
    And I’m really worried about taxes. See, the big lie of the GWB administration, or one of them anyway, is that his tax cuts are actually saving middle and lower class people money.
    But once Federal taxes were lowered, state, local and school taxes went up to make up for the shortfalls. I pay more now as a percentage of income that I ever did under Clinton.
    But of course, if Kerry raises taxes to try to close the deficits, state/local/school taxes won’t go down again. So that’ll be even more.
    I’ve never waffled this much on a presidential election. I voted for Bush senior without hesitation. I easily voted for Clinton twice. I wouldn’t touch Dubya OR Gore last time.
    I really want to vote for Kerry. He’s got 5 months to say something…

  5. Robert S. Avatar

    What does that mean exactly? Means we need a President, not a cowboy. The UN’s only part of a much bigger picture called, the Planet Earth!

  6. Mike Avatar

    Yeah Robert, that’s a much better statement. You really proved your point.

  7. Andy Avatar

    Morality vs Idealism.
    Good sound Presidential debate material.
    The question is which laws do we enjoy most those that speak to our ideals or those that speak to our morality.
    Will we kill more Marines enforcing our morality or ideals?
    Does Kerry even have a moral base? His anti-war stance could be moral but has been dismissed and not spoken about except as “youthful excess”. What is John Kerry’s Morality?
    What are George Bush’s Ideals?

  8. paladin Avatar
    paladin

    From Kerry’s behavior and lack of engagement, he must think he can win the presidency the same way he won the Dem nomination – by default. I guess for some,this is what passes for leadership.

  9. MK Avatar

    Mike, you might be misinterpreting what Robert S. was trying to say. He might be advocating the Pat Buchanan plan of “International Isolationism”. Yes, the UN is just one “sucky” part of a “super-sucky” planet earth, so why don

  10. Robert S. Avatar
    Robert S.

    Fair enough, Mike. I mean reaching out to the international community, realizing that we’re part of a community of nations and that everything we do has an impact on us and them. Someone who doesn

  11. Yogi Berra Avatar
    Yogi Berra

    > Not sure what to do about that in this blog world; I think there needs to be a way to aggregate opinion and express it as a movement. Strength in numbers.

  12. Monty Avatar

    We are divided between us and them. Good thing, too.
    Who the hell cares what France and Germany think? They’ve been wrong with numbing frequency for the past few hundred years. Tens of thousands of American boys are buried in France and Germany because we had to bail them out from their stupidity.
    France and Germany are wrong now. Cowboys are the good guys. The respondents here should learn to listen to cowboys. Your inability to do so is making you stupid.
    Turning ass up won’t get us out of this war. This is just a dumb fantasy of the pussy whipped left.

  13. Micah Sifry Avatar

    Since my blog is down (bad server, bad, bad!), I’ll just add that these days Kerry reminds me of that old Goldwater slogan, only reversed: An Echo, Not a Choice.
    Micah

  14. Morn Avatar

    Arriana (&the Dems) seem to equate Irag with prom nite – Europe’s just itching to go, but only if the right boy asks her.
    That doesn’t seem to be right to me. France and Germany provided almost no combat support to the Kosovo war, which, as you’ll remember, was waged by the most internationally popular president we’re likely to have in the modern era to prevent genocide in Europe.
    France and Germany are currently underfulfilling their promised contributions to the Afghan security force (and only undertook the mission because we promised their forces would be used as constables in Kabul, not as fighting soldiers).
    Their’s absolutely no evidence to believe these folks want to fight, and a lot of evidence that says they don’t.
    No matter who’s the US president.

  15. Lynne Avatar

    Where do I sign up for the isolationist party? It is looking pretty good right now. I am pretty sick of our government giving away soliders lives, our jobs, money, etc. in an attempt to remain the lone superpower. It won’t work and will cost us immeasurable treasure and lives on the way down.

  16. onecent Avatar
    onecent

    You should own September 12th – the spirit of generosity, courage, and community that poured forth in the aftermath of the attacks – and the politics of hope.
    Can you get any shallower? What is significant is the focus on everything extraneous after the attacks on 9/11 – the perfect manifesto by the vacuous for the one of the most vacuous candidates in history, Kerry.

  17. Robert E. Bihlmayer Avatar
    Robert E. Bihlmayer

    given Ms. Huffington’s less-than-stellar showing in her recent run for governor of California, what on Earth makes her think that anyone except a few columnists gives a good doodle what she thinks?

  18. onecent Avatar
    onecent

    Angelos, why do you think Kerry is holding back saying anything of significance so far? I mean if you took a class and for three months the professor said nothing, you’d be an idiot to still be going?
    Robert S., you got some hard factual figures on the thought processes of America’s mainstream? I think you make assumptions. Also, “reaching out” to the international community doesn’t mean sublimating our self-interest to that of other nations. They have different cultures, economics, goals and histories including events such as 9/11. Why is it so important to you that we are approved of by others? People have friends, nations have alliances. A big difference. And that’s ok. It’s mature.

  19. afish Avatar

    Jarvis says: “I think there needs to be a way to aggregate opinion and express it as a movement.”
    Gawker Media is considering just that – a zeitgeist temperature-gauging service (see article in this month’s Wired “How Can I Sex Up This Blog Business?”).

  20. Robert S. Avatar
    Robert S.

    You’re exactly right, one cent. Mature people do have alliances. Bush and his administration ignore them. Treaties and agreements, too. Thanks for highlighting my point.
    I never asked that everyone approved of us. Just for a little civility. Hell, cowboy diplomacy would be nice. We just got cowboy.

  21. Tim Avatar

    Why does anyone take this woman seriously? I mean, she’s got about as much intellectual integrity as Gloria Allred, and none of her lefty policy wishes would ever affect her in her Brentwood mansion. And I’m being reaaaalllly charitable, if her life story is true.

  22. Hubris Avatar

    Yogi,
    What exactly is your problem? Twice this week you’ve come to Jeff’s blog to criticize, well, Jeff and blogs:
    This is why weblogging is a failure: this account is gibberish and just an disconnected accounting of one-liners. This doesn’t even reach the level of a court stenographer. Are we supposed to be impressed that you’re a bad stenographer or that you’re trying to be part of this panel? You’re not part of the panel, Jeffo, no matter how hard you want to be.
    ———–
    And let me guess: you’re the perfect man to lead the movement. Oh, come now, Jeffo, try living in the real world for at least five minutes or so.
    Why don’t you start telling the real truth about blogs, Jeffo? How many page views and visits do your advance.net sites generate? More than the entire blogosphere. And you’re a really minor player in the online-publishing world.
    Which is why you’re pushing the blogosphere as a major power when it’s clearly now.
    Did a blog abuse you as a child? Did Jeff fire you at some point?
    Why don’t you start your own blog, ihatejeffjarvis.com, and you can prove your own theory on pageviews.

  23. Gene Avatar

    Jeff, the reason you don’t know what to make of this is that it’s bland, vague feel-good verbiage. The kind of stuff you’d expect from 5th-graders holding a model UN in their civics class. Any chance AH could add a few specifics?

  24. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    I don’t know onecent, I just don’t know.
    A few possibilities:
    1) He doesn’t know what his policies are yet (opinion-watching)
    2) Some ill-conceived master plan, to keep letting W hang himself on his own rope, and the swoop in with some issues. We all know W can’t discuss any issues, and his macho act is running on fumes. Still, bad idea.
    3) He’s hiding an extremely liberal agenda, tax-n-spend, etc., as long as possible, hoping he can win without revealing it.
    Man, I hope it’s 2, and I hope they start bringing some info. I won’t vote for W, but I won’t vote for an unknown either.

  25. deSaad Avatar
    deSaad

    If Kerry would promise to bring back to the White House the appearance of a Bordello or Crack House, and if he would let Hollywood use the White House and Lincoln Room as sets for the 11 billion dollar Porno industry, and if he would let potential Democrat Senator Jerry(“Mr.Ohio Democrat”) Springer have his humiliation show at the White House with his thinking Democrat core contestents, he has my vote-no contest. A vote for Kerry is a “No Brainer” both figuratively and literally.

  26. Redman Avatar
    Redman

    Funny that Airy-Anny led off with the Democrats’ standard opening campaign strategies: play on people’s fears and divide the electorate. Although she accused Bush of implementing this strategy, its out of the Dems’ playbook.
    Kerry is still relatively unknown to most of the country. That is his weakness. As his personality begins to surface, people will realize he’s pretty much a jerk, who has spent his adult life pretending to be things and people he is not: war hero, Brahmin blue blood, French, Jewish, etc.

  27. furious Avatar

    Arianna to JF’inK — one golddigger to another.
    They make a perfect couple — the grubby social climber whose wealth is due only to a former husband hooking up with the grubby political climber whose specialty is rich heiresses like Arianna.
    And fine by me if JF’inK listens to her — lovely Arianna, after all, had all kinds of helpful advice for Gray Davis as he clung desperately to the Calif. Governorship during those last, bleak months in office.
    –furious

  28. furious Avatar

    Tim:
    Not fair comparing Arianna H. to Gloria A. Arianna is a political whore, ala’ David Brock, who’s made the transition from Newt Gingrich Acolyte to George Soros (hey, another rich dude she can glom on to!) sycophant.
    The Brentwood analogy is apt — Arianna accuses SUV drivers of supporting terrorism while occupying a 9,000 sqft home and travelling to appearances by private jet.
    Gloria, whatever one may think of her (she’s like fingernails on chalkboard to me) has, at the least, been singing from the same hymnal her whole political/lawyerly activist career. And she doesn’t presume to lecture her inferiors as to how they should live their lives.
    –furious

  29. Steve in Houston Avatar
    Steve in Houston

    Funny, RobertS … the Bush administration had an alliance with quite a few countries going into Iraq. Spain left the alliance. Now, you can give excuses/explanations as to why, but the bottom line is, they left, and they left out of self-interest. Does the Spanish abandonment of Iraq make them vaqueros?
    France, Germany and Russia were never going to join our efforts in Iraq. They had too much at stake for a variety of reasons – they, too, acted (or failed to act) out of self-interest.
    The Bush administration has engaged the world in a common effort in Afghanistan. If he were such an irresponsible, undiplomatic cowboy, shouldn’t that alliance have fragmented by now?
    You may blame Bush for rejecting, say, Kyoto, but he didn’t get the ball started on that … the Senate under Clinton did. In any case, the arguments over global warming aside, the consensus about Kyoto is that it would have put a serious drag on Western economies without solving the problem of global warming.
    What about the Bush government’s joint effort with France to help stabilize Haiti? What about the intervention in Liberia and the ouster of Charles Taylor?
    Of course, if the definition of diplomacy is for the US to accede to the entire world’s every demand, fund gigantic projects, and ask nothing in return, then I’ll take a pass on diplomacy.
    Bush may not be the ideal internationalist. But to suggest he is committed to stark isolation of the US is disingenuous.

  30. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    Come on deSaad, like the W administration has been anything close to honorable.
    So Clinton got his knob polished. The only complaint there? Why that fat chick, of all people? Certainly there were some hotter groupies available.
    Bush and his cronies have sold our citizens, our soldiers, and our environment to the highest bidder from day one.
    They’ve handed the war effort to a company that has repeatedly been exposed for overcharging and other crooked dealings, but as long as Cheney’s around, look’s like Haliburton is safe.
    A man who ran on a platform of “uniter” has turned America into an “us” and “them” populace, destroying anyone who doesn’t get on board, and anyone who offers up the slihgtest hint of dissent.
    A man who ran under the label “compassionate conservative” has cut every service imaginable while offering up tax cuts we can’t afford and racking up crippling deficits.
    Average monthly job *LOSS* has been 63000 in his 3.5 years. These last two months, once the figures have been adjusted down (and they will be), barely cover job growth needed to keep up with population growth.
    Avg monthly job growth by president:
    Carter +218
    Reagan 1 +109
    Reagan 2 +224
    Bush +52
    Clinton 1 +242
    Clinton 2 +235
    Bush -63
    DAMN those Bushes know how to kill an economy.
    “No Child Left Behind”? A joke.
    The Medicare drug legislation? They lied about the numbers until they forced it through, threatening anyone who told the truth with job loss and, of course, the typical smear campaign.
    Yeah, he brought honor to the White House all right.

  31. Jean-Baptiste Poquelin Avatar

    It is hard to take seriously anything said by Ariana Huffington, one of the great hypocrites of American politics.

  32. syn Avatar

    I have a hard time taking Angelos seriously, let alone Kerry, or Arianna.
    I believe Hollywood has sold our environment out to the highest bidder, oops I mean box office.
    Back to more important issues. I have to ask this question so it is straight in my head before Michael Moore straightens it out for me.
    “Bushes” went to war for oil, but was actually for the benefit and protection of Isreal and, all the while, are causing global warming by insisting people drive SUV’s in order to make blood money from oil designed to make the Jews rich and powerful. In order to do this, Bushes allowed for Islamic-fascists to attack us as a way to divert our attention.
    Is this what the Bushes are doing? If so, they are really smart and powerful people.
    Now I understand where the term ‘Bushhitler’ comes from.
    But, wait a minute, did not Hitler exterminate the Jews? Where is Michael Moore when we need him to tell us what exactly is going on in the world.
    /s/

  33. syn Avatar

    Yes, we must vote kerry, we need to call upon the international community to finally end bushhitler and the jews!

  34. onecent Avatar
    onecent

    Robert S…..Mature people do have alliances…..you are still not getting it and did not read what I wrote. People have friendships, nations have alliances. That is a big distinction. Also, would you please define this utterance of yours….Hell, cowboy diplomacy would be nice. We just got cowboy. I’m not quit sure I understand how you define “cowboy” historically, culturally or as a job description. So let it rip, Robert.
    Angelos, your #1 possibility regarding Kerry’s silence, is that he “doesn’t know what his policies are yet (opinion-watching)” is probably correct. So, he’s conflicted, you’re conflicted. It goes together. Idle chatter, shallow bumpersticker-type throwaway lines, nothing logial or linear, negative with nothing of substance to counter the disapproval…..stay the course with Kerry and spare us your not so interesting shallow prattle.

  35. Robert S. Avatar

    Now, onecent. Playing dumb is so boring. And a real timewaster. Nonetheless . . .
    From American Heritage Dictionary:
    Cowboy: definition 3 – slang – A reckless person who ignores potential risks.
    Any questions?

  36. Brainster Avatar

    This is the same old whine and cheese from the left that we hear every four years. Embrace your liberal side, Walter/Mike/Bill/Al/John. Don’t run to the middle the way that evil Nixon suggested.
    There is a simple reason why this refrain does not work. Candidates have pollsters and the pollsters consistently tell the candidates that moderating their message gets more votes in the general election.
    And, the one that I love telling the lefties is that every vote in the middle is worth two on the wings. Why? Because when John Kerry picks up a vote in the middle, he’s probably taking it away from President Bush. Plus one for him, minus one for Bush, net gain of two. When Kerry picks up a vote on his left wing, it probably comes out of the pocket of Ralph Nader, or it comes from somebody who would not be voting. Net gain relative to Bush of only one.

  37. Rumbear Avatar
    Rumbear

    Arianna, a reformed republican wannabe, married to a gay man and apparently did not know it. Now, she can predict a winner as a democrat. This is pathetic……Why does this moonbat warrant any press?

  38. Andrea Harris Avatar

    Robert S. triumphantly proclaimeth: “From American Heritage Dictionary: Cowboy: definition 3 – slang – A reckless person who ignores potential risks.” And that is supposed to settle that!
    Not so fast, kemosabe.

  39. Robert S. Avatar

    Andrea, as I said, George Bush is a cowboy. When asked by what definition, I answered. Didn’t have to dig it up. I knew it was there. It’s in the popular lexicon. And for all your sophistry to the contrary, it has the ring of truth. Your desire to make language something static and inflexible is just a reminder of the predictable conservative impulse to keep things the way they are. I think the fine folks over at the American Heritage Dictionary are quite qualified to decide upon the legitimacy of the inclusion. Arguing about whether the cowboys of yore were good or bad, noble or ignorant is irrelevant given the context. Some folks are equally offended by the change of connotation in the word “gay.” Tough.
    Finally, in case it helps, here’s a visual, that may help in understanding the definition.

  40. AST Avatar

    “I think there needs to be a way to aggregate opinion and express it as a movement.”
    Isn’t that called a political party? Kerry might be able to do more of that if his party hadn’t unilaterally disarmed with the McCain-Feingold law.
    It doesn’t help much that his main hope to match the Republican spending is from “little guys” like George Soros, Barbars Streisand and his wife.
    Angelos, vote for Gore. Your criteria indicate that he’s your man.
    And Robert S., you sound like a talking Kerry doll. This “reaching out to the international community” is a talking point with no substance. What it really means is that we should give France a veto over our foreign policy. There is no international community. It’s an illusion fostered by the hopeful, naive faith we had in the U.N. back in the 50s, when France was still an international player.
    What makes you think that Colin Powell didn’t use diplomacy? It’s kind of hard to accomplish anything diplomatically when the U.N. and two permanent members of the Security Council have been bought off by the guy who was violating their resolutions. Both France and Russia stood to lose billions owed them by Saddam if he was overthrown. France, in particular, sandbagged us, by promising to support resolution 1441 and then announcing that it would veto it, for no better reason than to embarrass the U.S. That kind of perfidy is what the French call diplomacy.
    I’m perfectly satisfied with the international community we’re in with the Coalition. The French and Germans have chosen Russia and Canada as their international community because their leaders have no ideals and no morals. They should be reaching out to us and apologizing, not the other way around. That goes double for the U.N. which was supposed to be administering the Oil for Food program for the benefit of the Iraqi people but instead was running interference for Saddam while he continued to loot the country and bribe officials and journalists.
    Kerry doesn’t know why he’s running for president, except that it’s more important than being a senator. He’s nothing but a surrogate for Teddy Kennedy. And he’s counting on the media to elect him. Imagine where he’d be if he didn’t have three networks, NPR, the NYTimes, LATimes and WaPo shilling for him.

  41. Reid Avatar

    Angelos –
    It is true that Bush has had a difficult time with the Clinton recession that began two months before he entered office and, which was ignited by the internet bust and Clinton’s austere fiscal policies and, which was exacerbated by the 9-11 tragedy that resulted from the failed Clinton / Albright foreign policy of ignoring the nation’s enemies as they gathered strength and attacked overseas residential centers, embassies and even ships of war.
    If you’ve been paying any attention at all, the last few months have seen the strongest economic growth in decades thanks to Mr. Bush’s proactive policies. Mr. Kerry, on the other hand, wants to sell snake oil to the citizenry in the form of tax increases, trade restrictions, and demonization of business leaders. That ain’t the way to spruce up the economy, Sparky.
    All –
    If you plan to see Michael Moore’s latest travesty, you should first study his methods. This page discusses the end-to-end lie that is Bowling for Columbine. Some of you will find Mr. Moore’s techniques shocking. I sure did. Moore’s brazen manipulation of images and sound would make Joseph Goebbels blush.

  42. Robert S. Avatar

    P.S. On her blog, Andrea alludes to George Orwell to equate the evolution of informal language with the forced changing of language by totalitarians. I’m sure Orwell is spinning in his grave right now.

  43. Robert S. Avatar
    Robert S.

    AST, to the French, Germans, Russians and Canadians, you can add the Mexicans. So both our neighbors abstained from the coalition. Furthermore, you can add the Spanish, who opposed the occupation well before their government decided to withdraw. Additionally, you can add the Brits and Australian citizens who opposed the war in great numbers, despite their government’s decisions to join Bush’s mad tea party. (Has anyone even *visited* these countries since the war began? I have.) Then there’s the huge number of Americans who were resolutely against the war. (Compare with support for Afghanistan for a reality check.) And, let’s see, who else? Oh yeah, the rest of the world.
    Was Powell diplomatic? Sure. And it’s been sad to see the crushing of the man’s soul over the past couple of years. You might remember, he’s the one who when first offered the “evidence” for going into Iraq, he said, “This is bullsh-t!” Wish he’d stuck by his guns (if you’ll forgive a cowboy metaphor in the traditional context, Andrea).
    As for being “a talking Kerry doll.” Whatever. You don’t know me. I wish there was a more inspiring candidate. I’m quite willing to admit it’s just a case of “better than Bush.”
    I’m confident folks like me are increasingly in the majority, too.

  44. Andrea Harris Avatar

    Oh dear; accused of misusing George Orwell as a reference! It’s enough to make Baby Jesus cry. I guess Orwell’s words didn’t mean what he thought them to mean.

  45. Andrea Harris Avatar

    By the way, I visited that cute little political cartoon and I am not sure how the fact that cowboys are now figures of fun refutes my argument at all. But I guess you didn’t understand what I wrote. Here’s a hint: try using the oldest and most common definition of words and you’ll find that what I wrote is crystal clear.

  46. Robert S. Avatar

    The picture was a joke, Andrea. If you want to ignore the rest of the points I made (the definition exists/the definition is noted by the appropriate authorities/language evolves/conservatives tend to resist change/use of the word in context/your misuse of Orwell), fine, but don’t pretend I didn’t respond.

  47. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    Holy crap Reid, you must fall for every item of BS that you’re spoonfed by the Republicans.
    -Clinton recession? Please. A stock market bubble burst.
    -OF COURSE the growth rate the last 2 months was high in PERCENTAGE terms. Look at the shitty numbers the increases are based on! Middle-school math. Bush will STILL end this term as the first president since Hoover to finish a term with negative job growth.
    -Proactive policies? Like higher taxes (heard of the AMT?), instability in the Middle East, crippling legislation making our health care system even more expensive? Don’t tell me this was all part of some 3.5 year plan.
    -You defended Bush and Condi from the 9/11 panels because it wasn’t preventable; now you’re going to blame it on the guy whose administration handed over a ton of information that was summarily ignored by W’s lackeys? Bush completely ignored Al Qaeda, despite being fed briefing after briefing, until 9/11. One focus, one vision – war with Iraq.
    -Kerry trade restrictions? Like W’s steel tariffs that drove the cost of raw materials up dramatically, costing the industry and every affected industry hundreds of thousands of jobs? Like sugar tariffs that were forced into the recent trade pact with Australia?
    You are just the sheep they’re looking for. Simple, not too informed or reflective, susceptible to moronic rhetoric.
    GWB – “Terror, terror, God, madman, dungeon, terror, madman-madman-madman, misunderestimate, terror, freedom,terror.”
    Reid – “Sign me up!”
    Wow onecent, “idle chatter, shallow bumpersticker-type throwaway lines, nothing logial or linear, negative with nothing of substance to counter the disapproval” sounds like one of your or syn’s posts!
    Really now, has GWB ever said ANYTHING in a speech? Be honest with yourself. Terror, madman, freedom, madman…

  48. Robert S. Avatar
    Robert S.

    Angelos, be fair. In addition to “Terror, madman, freedom, madman” you could at least add “evil doers” and “smoke ’em out of their caves.” Oh yeah, we haven’t heard that second one in a while, have we?

  49. Reid Avatar

    Angelos – Been memorizing those talking points I see.
    – A stock market bubble burst? And, on whose watch did the stock market become overvalued because of skewed fiscal policy?
    – The economy’s booming, dude. Get a clue. You obviously aren’t much into math, are you?
    – AMT? You bet. I have to pay it. What’s your point? Is Bush responsible for the AMT now? Man, the things you guys keep retroactively laying in Bush’s lap. Crippling legislation… huh? You libs wanted a BIGGER prescription drug giveaway to people who didn’t even need gov’t help in order to create a new constituency in favor of gov’t health care. Gimme a break.
    – I defended the administration of the basis of the fact that they had already done more to address the terrorist threat in 7 months than the Clintonistas did in 8 YEARS. Clinton was too busy getting BJs in the oval office and concluding useless agreements with Yassir Arafat and North Korea to do anything effectual about the terrorist threat. Look, man, Khobar Towers, Somalia, Nairobi, Dar es Salaam, USS Cole… What was the response? Huh? (crickets chirping)
    – Yeah, right, Bush is more of a protectionist than Kerry. That’s why all the trade unions back Bush! Sugar tariffs are new? Here we go with the retroactives again.
    And, Jeez, take a pill man. You’re so excited to regurgitate those talking points, I bet you pissed your pants.

  50. Angelos Avatar
    Angelos

    So the stock market was Clinton’s fault too? Wow. That’s quite the stretch. You can’t honestly believe that… and expect to be taken seriously anyway. A full-on greed-fest can only be fed by a frenzy of thousands of people. The winners and losers of that era cannot be defined by political affiliation.
    Economy is booming, yet there are no jobs. Interesting. My company is mostly recession proof, though sales last year were a little slower than usual. I know that I can absorb $100000-150000 more in sales before I even think of hiring someone. I’m not paying the Federal/SS/Med/UI/State/FUTA and other taxes, plus health insurance for additional bodies. I’ll just work harder with my existing staff. That’s the same decision a lot of companies are making. Some boom.
    AMT – no, I’m not blaming that on Bush. But if you’d read Fortune, Business Week, WSJ, or any publication in the last year, you’d know that the AMT is penalizing millions of middle class people, hammering them hard. So famlies in the $150000 range are paying more in taxes, while Bush’s millionaire buddies are paying less. I used to be all for tax cuts, but coming from GWB, it’s been a red herring. I pay more in taxes and fees now than I did under Clinton. And yet you fall for the rhetoric.
    Bush did nothing about terrorism. You know that. We all know that. He wanted Saddam.
    I didn’t say that Bush was more of a protectionist. But he’s certainly not a free-trader when his buddies ask him for favors. That steel debate was an amazing time – the WSJ and Fortune and many other business and general publications openly and furiously warning the president of the serious implcations of a steel tariff. Leaders in industries that use steel (pretty much everything) warned of the serious effects of inflated costs due to protectionism. But Bush could do his buddies a favor AND pretend to care about steel workers, so he plowed his simple little mind ahead. Sure enough, we saved 5-10000 steel jobs temporarily. But then, prices skyrocketed, so steel buyers (cars, car parts, computers, ships, building, etc.) laid off over 200000 people. Good plan.
    And yes, sugar is old. But did your free-trade president step in and finally undo the protectionist clause that makes all of us pay more for sugar? No, he didn’t.
    Absolutely NO Bush supporter can accuse anyone else of using “talking points” when his party is the master of it. Did you not witness the attempted character destructions of Clarke, of O’Neill, of anyone hinting of even slightly straying from the line? Blinded by your own gullibility.

  51. Reid Avatar

    I see, Angelos. Clinton is responsible for the internet driven boom, just because he was there at the time, but he’s not, by the same token, responsible for the decade of greed. Unemployment is lower than it was at the end of Clinton’s first term, but it’s a jobless recovery. Bush fails to take time out from priming the economy for a boom and fighting the war on terror and repeal decades long bad policies and, all of the sudden he’s completely responsible for them. Your cerebrum must be perfectly segmented into two completely isolated lumps of gray goo to hold all those contradictory opinions.
    Meanwhile… Khobar Towers? Somalia? Nairobi? Dar es Salaam? USS Cole? Bueller?

  52. Andrea Harris Avatar

    Come on Reid, you know the rules: Democrats are responsible for good things, and Republicans are responsible for bad things. That’s just the way it is — don’t question the Collective Wisdom of the Illuminati!