It was not a war

It was not a war
: Iraqi blogger Mohammed says today:

Yes, it was not a war. Let everyone and especially the pacifists and all who opposed the coalition that what happened was an operation to free the Iraqi people and eliminate a criminal gang that does not represent any body but itself and its narrow interests and that pauses a serious danger on our country and the others.

That was not a confrontation between two nations nor it was a conflict between different convictions, it was an operation to excise a malignant tumor that was about to destroy everything.

: And fellow Iraqi blogger Ays lectures the antiwar protestors:


  • miguel

    1: if you guys claim you want to “bring” democracy to people why are you not stopping genocide in sudan.
    2:it’s quite narrow minded of Ays to say “why don

  • Jeffrey — New York

    If the antiwar protestors had had their way, Saddam would still be in power and Uday would still be trolling for women to rape and then kill for fun. Ays and the other Iraqi bloggers are angry with the antiwar crew for their moral failings — let the murderous regime continue because these protestors live in a utopian world where war is never an option. Who cares about the actual Iraqi people? Remember the Iraqis yelling at the human shields: Wankers Go Home!
    I still have not heard ONE alternative to military force removing Saddam. Miguel, what was your plan for removing Saddam? Serve him papers? Ask him to leave? Send Kofi Annan to ask him pretty please?
    I have NO more patience for appeasers and addle-brained antiwar protestors. I am as angry as Zeyad, Ali, Mohammaed, Omar, Ays, and all the other wonderful Iraqi bloggers. Miguel, take a look at their weblogs and get back to me, okay?

  • Wes

    Another “oh, if this is bad, why don’t you fix everything else that’s wrong?” ‘argument’.
    As you’ve so helpfully pointed out miguel, there’s a problem in Sudan at the moment. That’s the thing. There are millions of problems in the world, and nothing is ever done about them. You don’t exactly see poeple/countries lining up to solve this problem in Sudan do you?
    Finally, when one problem(Iraq/hussein) was about to be dealt with, why, geesh, it’s wrong, and you’re not supposed to do it.
    So which is it? Fix problems, or continue to complain about them, but not do anything about it?

  • onecent

    it’s quite narrow minded of Ays to say “why don

  • miguel

    I know that the majority of the antiwar protestors live in this utopian world. and I totally disagree with them on a lot of different issues.
    but war cannot be the answer. because the people who fight and die in the war are forced to shoot themselves. almost daily more US soldiers are killed as well as Iraqi civilans. do you consider that a solution.
    what is your answer to the caring parent who wants his son back home with his family?
    I don’t have an answer right now, but we should ALL start/try to work out an alternative.

  • miguel
  • Kat

    Well, Miguel, there is an answer to war–all you have to do is become a muslim or a dhimmi.
    Don’t you know that islam is a religion of peace as long as the rest are all dead or enslaved? That is all they want in Sudan–anther muslim state. Just like Hitler wanted a Nazi world ,they want a muslim one.

  • onecent

    From the Guardian article: It would be the ultimate blunder if, in the panic over the horrors of terrorism in Europe, the British forget their historical lessons and allow themselves to be provoked into multiplying their enemies.
    Neville Chamberlain is conveniently not mention by this appeaser’s history lesson. If the actions of terrorists are inherently evil, why should we worry about terrorists gaining new members? Appeasement is kind of like the foolishness of refusing to fix a leaking roof because it only rains on Tuesdays so far.

  • If you’re so concerned about the Sudan, Miguel, why don’t you do something about it? Start a “Save the Sudan” movement. Petition your government to do something. Write your representative, should you have one. Get on teevee. Put up a website. All it takes is someone to make the first step. YOu would do all this if you really cared about them more than you cared about making cheap points in a blog-comment quarrel.

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    I don’t have an answer right now, but we should ALL start/try to work out an alternative.
    Miguel, it’s all well and good to say that, but people have been saying that for 5000 years and it hasn’t happened yet.
    What’s more, the things that have been offered as replacements — the UN, economic sanctions, diplomatic notes, and so on — seem to have one uniform characteristic: they work great if the parties involved are democracies answerable to their people, and are not just ineffective, but actively damaging when one of the countries involved is a fascism like Iraq or Taliban Afghanistan.
    Idealism is all well and good, but acting on your idealism to avoid war in Iraq and Afghanistan would have meant 50 million people continuing to live in terror and misery under a fascist regime, while “Oil for Food” money was used to bribe UN functionaries and European politicians instead of feeding Iraqis.
    When an idealistic desire to avoid war for moral reasons leads to the deaths of tens of thousands of people, and the misery of millions, I can’t help but think the morals themselves are flawed.

  • onecent

    Amen, Andrea.
    ….but we should ALL start/try to work out an alternative.…….but, what about all of those years of UN, the Vatican and Amnesty International uselessness in making a difference in Ruwanda, Kosovo, etc? Any of them had any great success in making a difference? Arafat walked away from the Oslo Accords preferring suicide bombings instead. The alternative of laying down arms wasn’t what he was looking for.
    So, Miguel, continue to instruct us on how beastly we are, how not enough effort has been made, how reasonableness works with terrorists, if it makes you feel saintly.

  • Susan

    The protesters here in America against the war to liberate the people of Iraq are, ironically, going to be the same protesters who will be protesting the Republican National Convention held in NYC this summer.
    These same protesters are already designing ways to disrupt, cause chaos, and instill fear into the public. These tactics held by these protestors are simply another form of tyranny by their ability to restrict the public’s right to peacefully assemble and the public’s right free speech.
    The irony of the anti-liberation crowd is blantantly sickening and we will witness their sickness this summer on the streets of NYC.

  • JB

    Miguel —
    To put it bluntly, there is no “alternative.” All it takes is one ruthless man — like Saddam — in the world, and pacifism ceases to be an option. Deal with it — that’s humanity.

  • miguel

    have you followed the first link a posted above? is that the cost which you are willing to take when such a thing happens to you?

  • onecent

    have you followed the first link a posted above? is that the cost which you are willing to take when such a thing happens to you?
    Mass rapes in the Sudan(your first link)?……… “the cost” of what? And to who? Please.
    Miguel, official notice on my part, no more of my time spent on you. You are ignorable from this point forward. You’ve read all of the responses since your initial post and this is all you have to say? You are attention seeking, like a toddler, without any honest effort to respond with linear thoughtful responses. Trolling becomes you.

  • miguel

    actually I meant the following: one year later. It’s easy to send soldiers off to war. It’s a lot harder to face them when they come home. oncent, I’d understand if you don’t find an answer to that!

  • Susan

    Go read http://www.Chief to find the answer to your question about how they feel about facing people such as yourself.
    From what I have read, many of our soldiers have returned to this country and have found our society to be filled with self-gratification, and self-indulgence. They understand fully just how selfish our society is because many people do not fully understanding just how much we already have.
    Our self-sacrificing soldiers have seen the other side.
    Miguel, have you?

  • Miguel, I followed the “One Year Later” link. Did you? Did you read what the soldier said? Here it is:
    “I want to go back to the military. I want my old job back. I was infantry. We blew things up. I felt like my heart was in the right place over there.”
    He’s willing to pay the price. That’s why he went in the first place. That’s what a volunteer military means (compare, for example, with Ays’ comment in his blog: “last year I had to obey the mean and disgusting orders of Saddam

  • Gee, miguel. That’s a kind of record — I haven’t seen anyone post anything as a rebuttal that was so totally unrelated to the original question. Which was — I will now review, since you are for some reason unable to remember your own previous comment — why don’t we do something about the atrocities in the Sudan? What in the name of god’s little green apples does a wounded soldier have to do with your original question?
    Incidentally, I am not sure what Mother Jones — an openly leftist magazine, by the way — is trying to do with their attempt to induce guilty feelings in people with that photo. Because no one (except you, apparently) is shocked that soldiers get wounded and killed in war, and the soldier himself obviously doesn’t see himself as some sort of specially abused victim.

  • Doctor Slack

    It’s to Jeff’s credit that he posted Riverbend’s dissenting opinion. I think it’s entirely possible that we’re seeing a split, in Iraqi blogger opinion, between those who are significantly profiting from the new situation in Iraq and those who aren’t. Those who are will more naturally be cheerleaders for the invasion — those who aren’t will have a tendency to notice how little seems to have really changed. The former seem to have more web presence and time for blogging, but then that’s to be expected, isn’t it?
    There’s an interesting angle for Jeff here to start looking at how blogs are working concretely to shape (and quite possibly distort) impressions of a specific country. I don’t know that he’ll take advantage of it, but the opportunity is certainly there.
    On the topic: yes, of course there were frivolous, pampered and self-indulgent protesters. But then, there are plenty of frivolous, pampered and self-indulgent “hawks” too, so really, glass houses and all that. The people who were adult in supporting or not supporting the war are now trying to actually learn if they were right. The unserious are simply trying to convince themselves that they were right.

  • Mickey Finn

    anyone against the war, a war which was justified by a pack of lies, is an appeaser. I see. Where have I seen those linguistic perversions before? Oh yeah…the Third Reich.