If Dean is stopped, will he (and his Deanies) bolt?

If Dean is stopped, will he (and his Deanies) bolt?
: John Robb continues the discussion (news being a conversation, of course) about the Dean web movement with a fascinating question. He says we don’t disagree about the essential structure of the online movement and then adds:

However, it is pretty clear to me that the people supporting Dean have … chosen to join a community of like minded people. That community’s relationships are now being etched into social software (that automates many of the difficult parts community development and maintenance — this provides the productivity boost that gives this campaign its momentum). Can this community survive a defeat? The history of American politics suggests no. Will we see it develop a platform, voting mechanisms, and a nomination process to field candidates that run against other Democrats in the future? Maybe or maybe not (this time).

At the same time, New York Times columnist William Safire said he fears a Dean Democratic defeat, for be believes that Howard and the Deanies (sounds like a third-rank ’50s garage band, no?) would bolt and run as an independent. He sees a dangerous cleft in the Democratic party.

: He is not the sort who gives up easily. Nor is he likely to ask Clark or whomever in a smoke-free room for the No. 2 slot. Dean has grass-roots troops, a unique fund-raising organization, the name recognition and the fire-in-the-belly, messianic urge to go all the way on his own ticket.

Politronic chatter picked up by pundits monitoring lefty blogsites and al-Gora intercepts flashes the warning: If stopped, Dean may well bolt.

That split of opposition would be a bonanza for Bush. In a two-man race, the odds are that he would beat Dean comfortably, but in a three-party race, Bush would surely waltz in with the greatest of ease.

Here’s my problem: Such a lopsided, hubris-inducing result would be bad for Bush, bad for the G.O.P., bad for the country. Landslides lead to tyrannous majorities and big trouble.

Which is why I worry about Dean not getting the Democratic nomination.

: A still-unformed thought: I wonder whether the big impact of Dean online movement is a feeling of empowerment.

I sat down with some good folks trying to boost the online presence of an issue movement and I lectured them that “you have to look like a movement even before you are one.” That’s not the cynical comment it may sound like. It’s the way things are done now, post-Dean: You need to involve people; make them feel involved; make them feel invested; make them feel heard. That is what Dean & community have done so well.

So the thing is: Once a community is started, does it feel like a movement with legs of its own? Does it live without Dean? Probably not. Does it live with Dean if he bolts? Likely yes.

What I’m dancing around is that while the digital Dean doesn’t change the essence of a campaign, it may well change the essence of the movement, of the supporters and how they think. It may make them not only more connected but more independent of party hierarchy, less controllable. Only time will tell the impact.

5 responses to “If Dean is stopped, will he (and his Deanies) bolt?”

  1. Hermit Dave Avatar
    Hermit Dave

    I don’t think Safire has followed this train of thought to its logical conclusion. Will it be any better if Dean *does* win the nomination and then gets crushed in the general election? The same potential problems for a major split in the Democratic Party, and for a freedom-reducing Republican mandate apply. One could make the argument that it would be even worse in this case.
    The problem with online communties such as Dean’s is that it becomes easy to believe you’re much more important and influential than you are (a point I believe you’ve made). The ability to make noise doesn’t translate very well into the ability to gain support. For each person you pick up, you’re probably annoying and alienating more. The political landscape is likely to go through a turbulent time until these communities which are now forming realize that they have to make essentially the same compromises as before.

  2. MattS Avatar

    These communities are new and powerful constituency groups. I reply to your post here.
    Happy holidays!

  3. Jeremy Avatar

    Really though, I’m not sure how much different such a scenario would be than Ross Perot or Pat Bucannan.
    Technically, Perot wasn’t a republican, but his message drew more Republicans away than Democrats. But Pat Buccanan did represent the nutso, paleocon, isolationist wing of the Republican party for a while, and when he left to hijack the reform party, he took a lot of the nutters with him (I mean, have you seen Ralph Reed on TV lately? Probably not. But for a while he was on all the time in the early 90s). Which has helped the Republican party a lot, I think.
    Plus, I doubt the republican party could ever get too big – it also has schisms within it. Ie, John Derbyshire on one hand, Andrew Sullivan on the other.
    Still, the thing about Dean, is that apparently he used to be the sort of politican I like – pretty much a moderate, but a fiscal conservative and liberal on things like gay rights. But is his far left kick genuine, just partisan politics, or all just part of an internet scam to raise money? (Actually, his campaign has all the earmarks of a cult, rather than just a scam. Will he end up in S. America in a place called DeanTown?)

  4. Jude Avatar

    I stumbled upon this blog by fate.
    While we don’t agree on a lot of fine points, I find your blog interesting and will read it more often.
    No one knows how any of this will play out in the 2004 election (or thereafter), but I thought you’d be interested to see the comments of a Dean-supporter.*I’m speaking of myself.*
    Here’s a link to my recent essay, which touches upon some of your own comments:
    http://iddybud.blogspot.com/2003_12_21_iddybud_archive.html#107203798192612244
    Happy Holidays..I’ll be reading.

  5. Tom Grey Avatar

    But Dean