Fisking Fisk

Fisking Fisk
: Compare these two reports of the same events. Robert Fisk in the so-called Independent:

While Washington and London were still congratulating themselves on the capture of Saddam Hussein, US troops have shot dead at least 18 Iraqis in the streets of three major cities in the country.

Dramatic videotape from the city of Ramadi 75 miles west of Baghdad showed unarmed supporters of Saddam Hussein being gunned down in semi-darkness as they fled from Americans troops. Eleven of the 18 dead were killed by the Americans in Samarra to the north of Baghdad.

All the killings came during demonstrations by Sunni Muslims against the American seizure of Saddam, protests that started near Samarra on Monday evening. The first demonstrators blocked roads north of Baghdad when armed men appeared alongside civilians who believed – initially – that US forces had arrested one of Saddam’s doubles rather than the ex-dictator of Iraq.

Now see the L.A. Times:

U.S. troops killed 11 Iraqi guerrillas north of Baghdad in a prolonged gun battle in which armed insurgents used schoolchildren for cover as they fired on soldiers, military officials said today….

Also, U.S. forces were involved in clashes triggered by pro-Saddam Hussein demonstrations in the Sunni Triangle cities of Ramadi, Tikrit and Fallouja. The demonstrators in support of the recently captured Iraqi leader attacked local government offices and police stations, as those are operations seen as collaborating with the occupation forces. U.S. soldiers fired on demonstrators in Ramadi, killing three and wounding several others.

In the town of Fallujah overnight, rioting Iraqis blew up the offices of the U.S.-appointed mayor, fired rocket-propelled grenades at U.S. forces and attacked a train carrying U.S. military supplies. Seven Iraqis were reported killed, and at least three American soldiers were wounded by a roadside bomb.

In Samarra, members of a patrol from the 2nd Infantry Division suffered no casualties as they were ambushed twice while traveling through the city, according to the U.S. Central Command. The attack was launched shortly after a large flock of pigeons took flight in what military officials said was an apparent signal of the troops’ arrival.

Somebody isn’t getting this story right. Who could that be?

6 responses to “Fisking Fisk”

  1. Mitch H. Avatar

    “2nd Infantry Division”? Either that’s a typo, or there’s been some seriously covert redeployments. And these people are still talking about “demonstrations” featuring sustained gunfire and the sacking of government offices. At lease there’s no talking documents in this one…

  2. Glenn Avatar

    How and why does the Independent continue to allow this man to report the news? At the very least, make him a columnist!
    Or maybe the LA Times is telling the lies.

  3. peter Avatar

    So if the Iraqis were fleeing in the “semi-darkness” how is he so sure that they are unarmed?

  4. matt Avatar

    What peaceniks never get is that someone fleeing a battle is still a legitimate target. There are only three times where it is not ok to plug someone and that is if a combatant is surrendering, wounded or dead. YOu can flee a battle EVEN UNARMED and you are still a legit target. Who’s to say you aren’t fleeing to get another gun, RPG or more ammo? Fisk likes to give it all the patina of some brutal war crime and if these people were merely fleeing a peaceful deomstration then he’s right, but the LAT story make is seem pretty violent.

  5. Bill Herbert Avatar

    This is really all you need to know:
    Was it true, the Iraqi minister of information was asked at his daily 2pm press conference (11pm NZT) – a routine institution of usually deadly tedium – that the Americans were at the airport?
    “Rubbish!” he shouted. “Lies! Go and look for yourself.”
    So we did.
    And, alas for the Anglo-American spokesmen in Doha and the US officer quoted on the BBC, the Iraqi minister was right and the Americans were wrong. But it’s a good idea to take these things, if not with a pinch of salt, then at least with the knowledge that there are always two reasons for every decision taken in this violent, ruthless land.
    Sure, the Americans had been caught lying again …
    I swear, when Fiskie dies, I will personally engrave this passage on his tombstone.

  6. Richard Avatar

    Come on Jeff! Obviously the LA Times is part of the Vast Right Wing Conspiricy to mislead the public over Iraq. Wake up!
    (Of course…I’m not serious.)