Iranian president talks about weblogs

Iranian president talks about weblogs
: This is big news. Daily Summit asks President Khatami about weblogs and gets surprising answers. Bravo to Daily Summit for getting these three important questions in:

President mentions weblogs! Asked by Ahmed Reda of Daily Summit who controls internet censorship in Iran, Mr Khatami replied:

“I think there are hardly any countries in the developing world, or in Islamic countries, where you have such expanded ICT networks and ICT use. Of the weblogs that are created and generated – after those in English and French, we are number three.

“There are a lot of internet connections in Iran. All countries have certain reservations about the internet, but they are not about freedom of expression. They are only porn and immoral websites. Even political websites that are openly opposed to the Iranian government, and all other educational and scientific sites, are available to the Iranian people. But the expansion of digital expression should not harm the culture or identity of nations. We need new conventions, while allowing fair use of the internet.

“Of countries that have been very sensitive to the harm these communications can cause, we can use France, as an example. Its example shows we should not sacrifice the great benefit of these communications, but we should pay attention to the harms they can cause. The internet should not harm the fundamental freedoms of people. Within the framework, of law, we believe in Iran we have imposed the minimum restrictions. In other countries there are broader restrictions.”

He says they censor “only” 240 sites on the Internet:

Only 240 sites! Aaron Scullion asked President Khatami : “Will you pledge uncensored access to the internet or publish a list of sites deemed unacceptable?”

The President replied: “The BBC, Voice of America and other American sites will not be censored in Iran. Many things that are contrary to the policies of Iran are available in Iran. Even opposition websites are available. We are exerting greater control over pornographic and immoral websites that are not compatible with Islam. And even some political sites that are very insulting to religion. But we are not censoring criticism. Criticism is OK.

“The numbers are very few – it’s only porn sites. (Asks Minister of ICT for a precise number) Altogether 240 sites, the Minister tells me. The majority are porn sites, not political sites. We hope to have a world where morality will prevail and we will not have to censor any sites.”

They ask him whether he blogs:

Do you blog? After President Khatami mentions the explosion of weblogging in Iran, Daily Summit asked: do you use weblogs, Mr President?

“I do not use weblogs,” the President replied. “But I do not use many good things. My own daughters do not have weblogs but they are very active in using the internet and chat. Our youth and adolescents during high school – and university – are using weblogs very extensively. In universities, there is a lot of access and there are many internet cafes in Iran. Access for youth to the internet is very satisfactory.”

: I blogged this from a restaurant (obnoxious and true) while having lunch with Om Malik and Anil Dash. It was just too good to wait.

I am most eager to hear what Hoder and other Iranian bloggers say about the truth of Iranian censorship and what they think of this.

On the other hand, as I showed this to Anil, he said: “The president of Iran mentions weblogs before the president of America.” Weird world.

: Since there’s some discussion about how Iran is blocking porn sites — but only 240 sites, and that includes political sites, too — then folks wonder just how many porn sites are there on the Internet? 225?

At last week’s MIT Media Lab confab, an IBM guy said they had calculated just how much porn there is on the Internet (tough job but somebody’s gotta do it): One third of the Internet is porn, they said.

20 responses to “Iranian president talks about weblogs”

  1. MommaBear Avatar

    Yeah, right…and the tooth fairy comes in the night…bwahahahaha.
    The censorship is MUCH greater than he says; ask the Iranian bloggers, for they can tell you. Any statement from that regime is HIGHLY suspect.

  2. Mike G Avatar

    If they censor only 240 porn sites…
    doesn’t that leave about 999,999,999,760 other porn sites they don’t censor?

  3. Mike G Avatar

    I will say though… it’s always encouraging to me when the head of an evil regime says what the free world wants to hear, rather than having the courage to defend their own dogma unapologetically (as Khomeini would have). Lenin said you had to shoot lots of peasants to make the workers’ paradise happen, but Brezhnev and Andropov said the USSR was a democracy and freer than the West. It’s the tribute totalitarianism pays to freedom’s superiority.

  4. Dar Avatar

    240? Sounds like only the Eskimo foot fetish sites are being censored.
    Um… not that I’d know *exactly* how many Eskimo foot fetish sites there are…

  5. Lola Avatar

    That number of porn sites he is referencing to has got to be a fabrication. Especially when you’re dealing with a subject like s-e-x.

  6. shame Avatar

    Khatami is a pussy and a liar – bottomline – the regime is on the outs and they know it – everyone pay close attention: Realtime lesson in how Regimes Fall!!!

  7. Vlad the Inhaler Avatar
    Vlad the Inhaler

    I think the real news here is that Khatami thinks the Internet has only 240 porno sites.

  8. billg Avatar

    Khatami’s apparent moderate tone is belied when he asserts that “the expansion of digital expression should not harm the culture or identity of nations. ”
    It may sound innocuous, but this is UN-speak for laws regulating and censoring content. Who will decide what content damages the culture or identity of Iran? Its leaders, of course, because a changing culture or national identity would threaten their authority.
    Let the people accept or reject content on their own, and let the people reshape their culture and their identity as they see fit.

  9. CharlesWT Avatar

    Iranian government has started to filter popular weblogs and websites in Iran, while the Internet was literally the only free medium Iranians could access. The goal of this weblog is to provide official and unofficial news about Internet censorship in Iran and encourage International observers and activists to fight for the freedom of information in Iran. Stop Censoring Us: News and reports on the Net censorship in Iran

  10. Seth Finkelstein Avatar

    Ow ow ow … There has been serious study about the number of sex sites. It’s not “one third”. It’s more like 2%. Sigh, nobody cares – Porn! PORN! P-O-R-N!, run the articles.
    There’s roughly a similar number (240) of out-and-out illegal sites that ISP’s have been told to ban in the US, there’s some ongoing litigation here. He was probably talking about that type, honestly or not.

  11. CharlesWT Avatar

    Another wave of filtering, censorship & opposing against Persian weblogs…
    At the time, there is no access to the most important politic websites or famous weblogs; by many popular ISPs. And it’s a pity that all of anonymously web surfing websites are also filtered.
    You know, recently they are trying a new way in reacting to weblogs. They are trying to make a society for weblogs & somehow organize them; as they say. Organizing weblogs!!! Oh, that’s really funny, it seems like they know nothing about weblogs & the fact that they can never be organized by any societies. It’s clear that their inability to control weblogs, still bothers them & they do anything to somehow find a way to avoid people write anything they want without even inspection. Notes of an Iranian girl: Friday, December 05, 2003

  12. Iran4dummies Avatar

    Well, here is the question:

  13. Iran4dummies Avatar

    By the way Jeff, thanks for considering other Iranian Bloggers beside Hoder, well, my gender is really killing me and I heard North countries are still sruggling with Gender Issues.

  14. hugh macleod Avatar

    Well, having worked in advertising for many years, my own conceptual/intellectual gap seperating porn sites and non-porn sites gets narrower every year bwah ha ha ha.

  15. Martin Adamson Avatar
    Martin Adamson

    Amusing that the head of one of the world’s most censored states should pick, when looking for a shining example of internet censorship done properly…France!

  16. Dacotti Avatar

    I found it interesting that he bundles anti-government sites with education and scientific sites.
    “…websites that are openly opposed to the Iranian government, and all other educational and scientific sites…”

  17. Uncle Bill Avatar
    Uncle Bill

    It is probably correct that there are less than 240 porn sites – that is sites that show ‘porn’ pictures of middle eastern or Muslim females without their burka on.
    The Chinese censor porn sites that use Oriental females but not black or Caucasian females!

  18. Brant Avatar

    Jeff:
    Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. I was wondering if you could provide a better link? I was unable to find the transcript of the interview using the link you posted.
    This interview reaffirms my sense that Khatami understands what’s at stake, but lacks the courage of his convictions. (Hey, did I just describe Bill Clinton?)
    I agree with Martin Adamson’s comment — interesting that Khatami should cite France as a good example of how to “properly” censor Internet content.
    Regards,
    SWLiP

  19. Brant Avatar

    I should clarify that, when I write that Khatami understands “what’s at stake, but lacks the courage of his convictions,” I mean that he clearly indicates that he knows what the truth is, but has exhibited no indication that he has the will or character to act on it.
    His talk about censorship was a mess of dissembling, and I have no doubt that most reasonable people who know anything about the situation in Iran will see right through it.

  20. Withheld Avatar

    I have lived in Iran and two other middle eastern countries for the past 10 years, and I can tell you first hand that there are more than 240 websites that are blocked, but the actual number is really irrelevant. Censorship is wrong, even under the pretext of morality and religion.
    As for access to porn sites, you have access to their preview pages, but beyond that the sites are inaccessible to Iranians, since few Iranians have credit cards. Those who do are amongst the wealthier Iranians, and instead of wasting money on a porn site, they would hire a few girls and have the real thing (been there, done that…) Aside from a few horny teenagers (which in Iran make up 60% of the population,) I don’t think too many people are losing sleep over access to these sites.
    On the other hand, it is important to note that Iranians enjoy the least censored access to internet between all their neighboring middle eastern countries. The Iranian government’s attempts to limit people’s freedoms has been met by opposition every inch of the way. People air out their grievances on all available media outlets, including the internet, on a regular basis. Democracy is still a goal rather than a reality, but the democracy is a process that people need to learn. You cannot expect an entire region to embrace democracy, before learning what it is. The experiments in Iraq and Afghanistan are a clear indication that you cannot ‘force’ democracy on people.
    That having been said, I find that the voice of morality has been successful in censoring many sites here in the States. The moral majority routinely limits expression in the United States. Furthermore, the government, under the pretext of a war on terrorism, is taking away civil liberties from the American people without facing any opposition. Media companies no longer take their cue from the general public. Instead they shapes the thinking of the people they are supposed to represent. We would be wise to shift our focus inward to address some of the real issues facing Americans, instead of sending a quarter of a million troops half way around the world and in harms way (as occupiers and not liberators as we were led to believe before sending them there.)