A hateful little man

A hateful little man
: David Warren leaves the Anglican church for the Catholic, tracking bile along his path:

I realized that our ship was no longer, as it were, sinking, but now, as it were, sunk, when I saw a statement from one of the hierarchy of Episcopal Church USA, “reminding” Anglicans that their authority is not founded on Scripture, but rather on the operation of the Holy Ghost within the communion. This was a doctrine I had already detected, under layers of deceit, in the meandering verbiage of Dr. Rowan Williams, the new, fanatically liberal, Archbishop of Canterbury. It is the characteristic doctrine of utopian revolutionaries and violent heretics from many centuries — this idea that God is speaking to them directly, and that they may now ignore scripture, history, and tradition, and do whatever feels good.

The Anglican Church will probably be at more pains to conceal than to reveal this doctrine in the immediate future, for it is too obviously the work of the devil. Yet the doctrine becomes absolutely necessary, in the moment when a church decides that, for instance, it will ordain as “bishop” some vile man who has left his wife and children to explore sexuality with a younger male.

Mr. Warren, I might recommend a few other denominations, where the members feel priviliged, over God, to decree who among his creation is “evil.” Who, sir, is the “vile man” here? [via Relapsed Catholic]

: Kathy Shaidle of Relapsed Catholic delivers me a lashing, here, for what I wrote above. I’d leave a reply there, but she has no comments, so I will leave it here.

Let me first make clear that I respect and like Kathy; she has been warm and generous not only on her weblog but also in direct contact. I also respect Warren’s intelligence.

But I mean what I said: Warren’s words are hateful — that is, full of hate. His words are bigoted and spiteful. He calls a man of God, a creature and creation of God, a “vile man.” He put himself in the position to judge his fellow man. And why? Because this man, now a bishop of his church, is gay. Warren is leaving his church, the Anglican, because it embraced a gay man as a leader. I left my church, the Presbyterian, because it rejects gay people from leadership. We are both within our rights to hold and state our opinions, both within our rights to act on them, both within our rights to disagree. And, oh, I do disagree. I am appalled at “Christians” judging and rejecting people because of who they are, because of the way God made them.

Kathy goes a step further in her defense of Warren, noting that I survived the attacks on 9/11 and wrote about it with “passion and fury” and then she says:

David Warren has witnessed something similar, something — dare I say it — more important: the attempted destruction of the Church, the City of God, the Body of Christ on earth. He too has written about his pain, his outrage, his anger at the misguided fanatics who are clearly responsible.

Oh, we split there. I certainly do not equate the deaths of 3,000 innocents at the hands of religious fanatics with the ordination of a gay bishop.

In fact, I’d say that Warren, who has written wisely on Islam and 9/11, fails to recognize that the religious judgmentalism, self-superiority, and, yes, fanaticism that stands behind the attack on America is sadly similar to his attack on his church. The terrorists attacked us because we are not Muslim and we are American. He attacks a bishop of his church because he is gay. The difference is that he is not armed. Both judgments are ruled by bigotry and hate.

I will pass by the other attempted insults — “Boomer Liberal Pieties … misguided fanatics … liberal, non-judgemental Church of urbane sophisticates” as words spurted in the heat of the moment. I will suggest that we dial down the heat.

But I remain shocked at the strong and spiteful language from Warren, who had the time (and editors) to consider his words. I suggest that he is the one who should reconsider.

30 responses to “A hateful little man”

  1. button Avatar

    Oy! Can’t he at least come up with another church besides these two? How about Jeff’s church– the Congregational Church is a nice church. IMHO, he needs to look into some other possibilities.
    A guy in the Gulf has established a new category of entries: “The wheel is still turning, but the hamster is dead.”

  2. Mitch H. Avatar

    Hrm. Is this true? Has the Anglican Church converted doctrinally to Quakerism?
    Well, not really. Quakerism holds for individual illumination, as I understand it – the Holy Ghost manifest in each believer. The doctrine he’s excoriating is grace manifest through communion – a collective variant on essentialism, right?
    The communion is established by scripture, so it’s rather a wash, isn’t it? Are you worshipping the chicken or the egg?
    I can see why it would freak the literal-minded – the folks who would locate grace in the Word rather than the Church. What I can’t see is why someone who revolts at this prospect would bolt for the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH! If any major Christian sect or denomination betrays a preference for organization over words, for the Church over Scripture, it’s the Catholics. I wonder what he’s going to say when he discovers just how little the Catholics share his regard for Scripture.
    Now that I’ve reflected on the subject, I can’t imagine what the hell Warren is thinking. Some of his other comments seem to indicate that he’s relatively new to Anglicanism. I suspect that he was raised in a more scripture-oriented church – anyone know which one?

  3. frank elliott Avatar
    frank elliott

    The archbishop WAS left by his wife before he met his partner. Moreover, the marriage of this archbishop to his wife was undertaken while he was in “conversion therapy.” This whole episode is yet another example of how conservative Christianity destroys families by pressuring gay people into conversion therapy.
    The archbishop should sue Mr. Warren and all the other right-wing assholes who have libelled the archbishop.

  4. N Avatar

    Warren was talking about Anabaptists. And they did not do any good to anybody or for anybody, except their lunatic selves. And I think he’s right. The Anglicans are embarrassing. A gay archbishop is ridiculous. Be as gay as you like. Gay gay gay. But don’t try to be an archbishop. I am a girlie. Girlie girlie girle. And I am not about to be an archbishop either. I am not robbed of anything. I am not a victim of prejudice. Life in the church is more important that gayness. Gayness is just something people are. No big deal. Not a big enough deal to change the church. Scripture counts.

  5. Eric Deamer Avatar

    A great many people, such as myself, who have no problem with homsexuality were troubled by the idea of this man abandoning his family. This is the first I’ve heard of this “conversion therapy” story. I’d love to see a link on that.
    Jeff Jarvis left his church becaused it didn’t accept gay people in leadership positions. David Warren left his church because it did. Jeff Jarvis has harshly criticized his former church for what he sees as its small-mindnendess. David Warren has harshly criticized his former church for what he sees as its turning away from Scripture and doctrine. This is great. This is what is called “freedom of religion” which is praised all over the place on this blog.
    Church’s are private organizations that are under no obligation to be fair, democratic, or just. They are not subject to federal anti-discrimination laws and can do whatever they want. This is called “separation of Church and state” which can I attest is very popular on this blog.
    Though I think Kathy went off the rails a bit with the 9/11 analogy, the general point she makes is good. Often those who consider themselves to be liberal and enlightened engage in exactly the same type of judgementalism as the fundamentalists that they decry.
    You felt that your Church was straying from Christian doctrine as you understood it and so left that Church. David Warren did the same and you call him a “vile, little man”. Who is being judgemental and superior? Clearly you have very disparate interpretations of Christianity. Thankfully, he has found a Church that he feels is consistent with this interpretation. And, in fact, if his reaction is purely based on virulent homophobia (I see no evidence to suggest this) then he’s found a good home in the Catholic Church, where the pope think’s that homosexuality is “evil.”

  6. frank elliott Avatar
    frank elliott

    A great many people, such as myself, who have no problem with homsexuality were troubled by the idea of this man abandoning his family. This is the first I’ve heard of this “conversion therapy” story. I’d love to see a link on that.
    (See http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/living/6425750.htm)
    The truth, Robinson says, is that he confided doubts about his sexual orientation to his wife even before they were married. Only after years of therapy did the couple decide to divorce, returning their rings to each other in a religious service and pledging to continue to raise their daughters together. Robinson says he did not meet his current partner, Mark Andrew, until after his wife had remarried, and he remains close to his ex-wife and children today.
    So the real homewrecker here was Christian bigotry.

  7. Steve Polson Avatar
    Steve Polson

    >He attacks a bishop of his church because he is gay.
    Nonsense. As far as I can tell, he attacked him (called him “vile”) because he left his wife and children so that he could freely commit sodomy.
    If he’d left his family to explore his sexuality with a young woman, lots of people would call him vile–or at least they wouldn’t reward him by making him a bishop, for pete’s sake.

  8. Shamus Avatar

    I’m often frustrated by the venom hurled at people who dart suggest homosexuality is wrong. Bigot! Intolerant!
    It’s in the Bible. It’s been part of our religion for 2,000 years. Now The lifestyle is socially acceptable, so we have to change our faith or be branded a homophobe? Is there no room for a line between people who say homosexuality is wrong, and people who HATE gays?
    To put it another way: If you’re enjoying breakfast with a jewish friend and he casually mentions he believes its wrong to eat pork, are you going to accuse him of being intolerant because he doesn’t want any of your bacon? Fine, eat your bacon, but don’t act like you’ve been wronged when you can’t become a rabbi.

  9. Harry Avatar

    What about standards? Does the Anglican church have any standards regarding behavior when it comes to their clergy? If this had been a 50 yr. old divorced heterosexual priest having an public affair with a 22 female college student would he be accorded the same favor as Robinson? Would the liberals overlook this dalliance as just another acceptable alternative lifestyle for their priests or as unacceptable behavior from someone who would preach moral clarity to his congregation. This sounds like a slipperly slope to me. Where do you draw the line? Is all behavior acceptable? Or is only politically correct behavior okay? I would love to know because being an Anglican bishop sounds like a great gig, and it seems anybody can qualify.

  10. Steve Avatar

    God doesn’t make people gay. Just like he doesn’t make people liars, thieves, murderers, or adulterers. He makes people with a free will. Some choose to shun sin, and some choose to embrace it. When a religious body chooses to glorify sin or sinful lifestyles, it demonstrates its distance from the creator’s will.

  11. Eric Deamer Avatar

    I am not a Christian, but I went to a Catholic High School, and I’ve read and studied both the Old and New Testament, and as I understand it those, like Steve above, who are arguing that Christianity does not accept homosexuality are, most likely, being consistent and correct. I’ve seen Camille Paglia speak and she also said the same thing. There’s this nasty little business of Soddom and Gomorrha you may remember. Now, there is some argument over what this story means. Some try to make it this innocuous little tale about hospitality, but, and I haven’t read the text in awhile, if I remember it makes it pretty clear that the sexual activities are the major problem. Christians who argue that homosexuality is perfectly compatible with their faith are usually following interpretations derived from the New Testament, and more exactly, Saint Paul and Martin Luther, the whole “salvation by Faith” thing. This, I believe, is the dangerous, heretical doctrine to which David Warren was referring. Those who privilege a certain interpretation of the New Testament, over this inconvenient Old Testament business, need to at least, give some reasoning as to why they feel that this later doctrine takes precedence, even though in both versions of the Sermon on the Mount Jesus is reported to say that his coming does not invalidate previous law that was developed before him (paraphrasing obviously). My personal view is that contemporary, tolerant views are not compatible with Christianity, and that real Christianity is innately hostile to homosexuality, among other things. That’s why it makes it a lot easier for me to not be a Christian. So, yell at David Warren and the others all you want, but don’t suggest that they’re being inconsistent.

  12. Frank Elliott Avatar
    Frank Elliott

    Yes, Christianity is traditionally hostile to homosexuals. In fact Christendom has made homosexuals the symbol of sexual immorality and depravity. Homosexuals personify the Christian Id. Dealing with homosexuals harshly symbolizes the desire to deal with one’s own sexual desires strictly; therefore, this harsh treatment is a necessary sign of virtue.
    Christendom is not unique in designating a group to represent its id. Hinduism designates an entire caste to fill this role. They’re now called the Harijans (“Beloved of God” [that’s a riot]), and the virtuous Brahminns kill the Harijans for sport and rape their women. I’m sure that if you ask a Brahmin why this is done, he’ll tell you that the Harijans are sinful and need to be taught a lesson. If you criticize the Brahmin by calling his actions inhumane, he’ll tell you he’s helping the Harijan to reform the Harijan’s behavior so he can be reincarnated into a higher existence.
    That’s indistinguishable from the old Christian saw that attacking homosexuals is a form of filial correction aimed at assuring the homosexual’s salvation.
    Is it any wonder why so many Harijans reject Hinduism?
    Is it any wonder why even celibate homosexuals hate Christianity?

  13. Steve Avatar

    Not true. Christianity teaches “love the sinner, hate the sin.” Christ walked among sinners, lovingly asking them to turn from their evil ways and offering forgiveness. As followers of Christ, we must lovingly and with compassion point the way to him as the way out of a sinful lifestyle.

  14. Yehudit Avatar

    “if I remember it makes it pretty clear that the sexual activities are the major problem.”
    But the sexual activities that were the problem were rape, not consensual homosexuality.

  15. Yehudit Avatar

    PS Warren was also bileful in the same way about Salam Pax, back in the day – which is when I stopped reading him. (It wasn’t so much what he said – accusing Salam of being a Baath agent – as how nasty he was on no evidence. I think he’s just a nasty person.)

  16. Buzz Avatar

    A lot of commentary on this subject deals with
    the notion of “consistency” and the opposite
    notion of “hypocsrisy.” Many people who are
    arguing on this subject fault the Anglicans for
    not being consistent in their application of
    Biblical strictures to daily life, most recently
    on the Gene Robinson issue. I will leave aside
    the many side arguments that have sprung up. The
    people pushing the “homebreaker” issue do not
    really have a strong case to make here since his
    wife knew about his sexual orientation before
    they were married, and his daughter attests to
    his being a part of her life even after the divorce.
    Nor do those who implicitly argue relativism have
    a particularly strong case, as those who point out
    for example that the Roman Catholics skip many
    other Biblical strictures, so why not
    homosexuality as well? (Relativism is never a
    strong case for anything.)
    A Biblical euphenism which can be applied
    for being consistent in one’s beliefs is
    “hardening one’s heart.” Anglicans, as do most
    Christians, believe that the Holy Spirit is ever
    present in the world and guides the actions of
    the leaders of their (respective) church. The
    Anglican method for discerning the actions of
    the spirit in the world is to pray and hold
    counsel with both clergy and lay people, in the
    full light of reason, to better divine His
    actions. This they have done with the result that
    Gene Robinson was confirmed as bishop. The correct
    counter-argument then, is to point out that
    perhaps those that are vehement about leaving the
    Anglican church over this are overly proud and
    have “hardened their hearts.”
    So I invite Eric to consider whether Anglicanism
    is really inconsistent with his views on modern
    society. And I invite all of those who seem eager
    to ditch Anglicanism in favor of Roman Catholicism
    over this to really ask themselves why they are
    doing it. And Anglicans don’t sweat the numbers:
    here is at least one who has converted the other
    way ;-)

  17. Diana Avatar

    I wish people would leave Sodom (and Gomorrah, too, for that matter) out of this issue.
    According to the Talmud & other commentaries, the sins of Sodom (& Gomorrah) related to stingyness & lack of hospitality.
    See: http://www.chabad.org/magazine/article.asp?AID=8064
    But to say that Orthodox Judaism welcomes homosexuality is simply false. In Orthodox Judaism homosexuality is regarded as “teuvah”, i.e., behavior that emits a stench, otherwise translated as an “abomination.” Maimonides condemns homosexual relations between males wholeheartedly, and is hard on lesbianism, too, warning men not to allow their wives to be seen with lesbians.

  18. Bryan Avatar

    Warren is right, Jeff. You may not like it, but the scriptures upon which Christianity is founded are quite clear as regards both homosexuality and the qualifications for church leadership, and Robinson lives in violation in both areas and celebrates his violations. If scripture retains any authority, Warren is right. If the New Testament passages dealing with the qualifications for church leadership are still valid, Warren is right.
    If scripture no longer retains any authority, then Warren is wrong. But if scripture no longer retains any authority, why bother with it at all? And from what do church teachings and ethics now spring?

  19. Diana Avatar

    PS I am an agnostic & do not agree w/O Judaism on many topics, I only commented for clarification.

  20. Peter Avatar

    For me, as an Episcopal convert, the decision on Robinson and the non-decision “anything goes depending on which diocese you’re in” decision on same-sex blessings are profoundly troubling, and for reasons largely unrelated to homosexuality. Robinson is a symptom of the rot in the Church, not the cause. It comes down to Authority and church governance, two fundamental questions that have vexed Anglicanism since its founding. The simple fact is that the ECUSA hasn’t taken the question of governance seriously in a long time, unless it involves chastising conservative bishops and parishes that don’t get with the program. The Church, in the form of the majority of its lay, clergy and episcopal delegates, took a dive on the question of Authority in Scripture or anywhere else for that matter. They’ve done this time and time again, by not bringing a heretical bishop like John Spong to heel. Bishop Lee of Virginia wrote that Robinson would be unfit to be ordained as a priest in his diocese, yet he voted to confirm. Helluva way to govern a church, when what goes in New Hampshire is not what goes in Virginia. The pro-Robinson forces viewed it largely as an exercise in civil rights, as if this were the Birmingham bus boycott all over again. Never mind that the Church has never *officially* countenanced the ordination of non-celibate unmarried priests, let alone bishops. The whole thing was carried out in the most underhanded way.
    The Minneapolis episode is just the latest pratfall in the Episcopal Church’s long slide into nihilism. This is a church that has raised tolerance to such a high value that it can countenance anything, expect traditional Christian doctrine, naturally, as long as the political muscle is there to deliver the votes now and again, and the modernizers can use the Holy Spirit for cover.

  21. Gerald Avatar

    The only shocking thing here is how the Episcopal hierarchy could pull such a stunt and expect their fellow Christians to applaud. There will be more David Warrens before the dust settles on this I’m afraid, utterly foreseeable to people with eyes to see.

  22. button Avatar

    The rabbis tell us… about Sodom
    Their “sin” some would say was “pathological narcissism,” demonstrated by their lack of hospitality. Commentary indicates that they were unable to empathize with other people which caused their lack of hospitality. This is known to be a symptom of pyschopathy– the inability to empathize with other people. It is said that this was the critical factor– their inability to empathize– which was the deciding factor designating them to be destroyed.

  23. Blithering Idiot Avatar

    My initial reaction, on reading your original post, is that you are not very bright.
    However, on reading the comments, I can see that first impression is wrong. In fact, you have wilfully misrepresented the moderate/conservative oppostion to the ordination of Gene Robinson. That’s right — I do mean moderate — those who strongly support the ordination of women, the use of the current prayerbook and hymnal cannot be cast in the “conservative” camp.
    I have read Warren’s complete post — while I am not entirely in agreement with it, I don’t find it the hateful screed you attack.
    In fact, the vote to make Robinson a Bishop is contrary to the Doctrine and Discipline of the Episcopal Church.
    As Kendall Harmon has written elsewhere:
    First of all, it’s an utter repudiation of the clear teaching of Scripture, and Scripture is a huge part of this debate. It’s not a few passages of Scripture as is often alleged. It’s the whole warp and woof of the story. It moves from the primordial couple in the Garden of Eden through the Song of Solomon [which is celebratory about human sexuality], to the undefiled marriage bed in the book of Hebrews. It’s a thread that goes through the whole story. So deep is the thread, that it’s understood in the New Testament that marriage is the image used to describe the relationship between Christ and His Church.
    The Church has always taught that there are two states of human existence: singleness and marriage. The Church’s standard for human sexuality is chastity for those who are not married and those who wish to be involved in
    sexual intimacy, marriage. What happened in Minneapolis is that teaching was completely overhauled. You have a contradiction of the clear teaching of Scripture.
    The second thing is, you have an overhaul of the church’s theology of marriage. This is very important to me as a theologian because I believe we stand on the shoulders of those who came before us and there’s a lot of thinking that

  24. Dan Avatar

    “A thread running through the Bible.”
    Oh please.
    You can make any damn thread you want to out of the Bible, and people have, from killing off Philistines to owning slaves to the Divine Right of Kings to Women’s Liberation.
    I can think of two passages off the top of my head, one the aforementioned Sodom and Gamorah, the other in Romans, where homosexuality is explicitly mentioned.
    Christians who want to ground their bigotry and hate-spewing in the Bible would be equally called, on textual grounds, to keep kosher, not cut their hair, yadda yadda yadda.
    Of course they don’t, and then they say something about Christ and the New Covenant (Christ who is also quoted as saying that he has not come to alter the Law but to fulfill it.) What they actually mean of course is, “This part of the Bible neatly fits my prejudices so I’m going to play up its importance.”

  25. Steve Avatar

    Dan – No offense, but obviously you haven’t read the entire Bible. If you read it like a book, cover to cover, you’ll see the big picture. Every thing fits together and God’s will becomes a lot more clear. If you just run in and grab a verse out of context, you could argue any fool thing. Unfortunately, most do just that.

  26. Michael Lilly Avatar
    Michael Lilly

    “Oh, we split there. I certainly do not equate the deaths of 3,000 innocents at the hands of religious fanatics with the ordination of a gay bishop.”
    I had to comment on this comment of yours on Ms Shaidle’s comment. You’re right that you can’t equate the two. However, I think that Ms Sadle is saying -and this holds true for the majority of Episcopalians-in-the-pews- is that the actions of General Convention are just as destructive of souls in the spiritual life, as the inherently evil actions of the terrorist homicide bombings of the Twin Towers was destructive of America’s sense of invulnerableness.
    Ms Shaidle looks more at the death of more than 3000 souls, of martyrs being made in Africa under Shiara bred persecutions, or the people who will never darken the porch of an Epsicopal church because of the action of General Convention. She looks at the negative re-actions to these actions, and not just at the action itself.
    I hold that the Church, as the ark of salvation, is being attacked on a spritual level, because the church is the locus of eternal decisions, not just temporal decisions. Ms Shaidle looks at 2003 GC as a watershed (even as an outside observer), when Episcopalians woke up to what had been happening in the leadership for decades, and mourned. Some will leave the church for other chuches, some will stay. A lot more, though, will simply not go to church, placing their souls in peril. Because for most of these people-in-the-pews, the decision to elevate Canon Robinson is a spiritually destructive event. From their point of view, the Church has changed teaching on doctrine and morality that no other Church has changed. And, what is worse for them, they see no theological reasons being put forward to justify these actions, and plenty of reasons put forward to condemn such actions.
    Just look at the reaction of Anglican Primates, look how this action has radically divided the Anglican Communion. It has not brought conservative-traditionalists and liberal-revisionists closer together, it has rended the common fabric even wider than it was. It has not faciliated reconciliation of opposing viewpoints, or brought people to a closer relationship with Jesus Christ. No, it is making hash-hish out of our common life as Body of Christ, it has caused the Heart of Our Lady to shed copious tears for Her children in the order of Grace, because they are being driven from the Body of Christ.
    Michael

  27. L Cardon Avatar

    I was just reading about John Wycliffe, a priest in the Roman Catholic church, who disagreed with the Church’s position on transubstantiation in communion. Three Papal bull’s were sent to England stating that he was to be put in prison. He was relieved of his position at Oxford where he was renowned for his scholarship but was not aligned with Church doctrine.
    Wycliffe’s take on this, made clear in his trial, was that it was not transubstantiation that was at issue but rather the basis for authority regarding disputes about moral behavior, including means of grace (such as communion) to compensate for immoral behavior. Who says what is immoral or what best to do about it?
    While there are areas where the message of scripture may not be clear (or, at least, not agreed upon by serious students), the fundamental dispute had more to do with scriptural authority than scriptural ambiguity. And where Wycliffe made his argument primarily from scripture, the Church made its primarily from church doctrine, precedent and function — related to scripture, as they claimed, but not the same thing. Those outside the Church considered neither the scriptures nor the Church authoritative on moral issues, and they appealed to logic or consistency or ‘broad acceptance amongst reasonable peoples.’
    There is the immediate irritation that comes from encountering someone else’s “judging,” like Warren’s or any of us, that runs counter to our own, but the more lasting aggravation is the presumed authority with which they make the judgment. Who or what sets them to judge authoritatively on this matter?
    And even scepticism fails to provide a fully satisfying escape — Diana is an agnostic, for example — because scepticism applied to itself, scepticism, leads back to the authority issue.
    One of the worst instances of this often has to do with our own judgments — I hold two very plausible points of view on what is right in a matter but they clearly (to me) don’t agree with each other and I fear I can make a good argument for either. If I really care and I really want to do the right, this is troubling. And though I get counsel from friend or foe, in the end they can’t decide for me — I am trapped in the room by myself, looking for authority.

  28. Steve Avatar

    L Cardon – Might I recommend a book? More Than A Carpenter by Josh McDowell. He was a lawyer looking to scientifically prove that God didn’t exist.

  29. kathy Avatar

    Can I just add:
    African clergy warn that Muslims in their countries will look at Christians as even more dangerous, now that they apparently support homosexuality. These clerics on the ground warn that Christian persecutions by Muslims, already a huge (unreported) problem, will grow even worse now.
    Prophet Gene just may have to answer for those Muslim sins, and those Christian souls, in the next life…

  30. Natalie Solent Avatar

    May I interrupt the religious discussion with one small political point?
    You write: “I’d say that Warren, who has written wisely on Islam and 9/11, fails to recognize that the religious judgmentalism, self-superiority, and, yes, fanaticism that stands behind the attack on America is sadly similar to his attack on his church. The terrorists attacked us because we are not Muslim and we are American. He attacks a bishop of his church because he is gay. The difference is that he is not armed.”
    This is wrong, or, at least, seriously unclear. Warren is not refraining from murdering the bishop because he lacks a weapon. He refrains because he isn’t a murderer.