And a damn site more popular than you or PBS, Bill

And a damn site more popular than you or PBS, Bill
: Bill Moyers is talking media on NOW right now and he coughs up this dollop of snot: Fox News, he says, “proves that jingoism is more popular than journalism.”

What a pompous poodle he is.

I just returned from speaking with the first class of new media graduate students at the Newhouse School at Syracuse University and we talked a lot about the popularity of FoxNews.

I said that we should listen to what the public is telling us by making FoxNews the No. 1 cable network:

: The audience is telling us that the competition is dull. CNN is dull. Much of journalism is dull. Moyers’ brand of journalism is the dullest. Fox is simply more compelling. The audience wants to be compelled, not bored; the audience always has.

: The audience is telling us that perspective and opinion are OK — no, welcome. In America, journalism became dull in part because it worked so hard to become objective. That, I believe, is a result of the growth of one-newspaper towns; it is an effort to be a responsible voice when you are the only voice in town. But look at Britain, where national media rules and where media admit their leanings. You can read the left Mirror or right Sun, the left Guardian or right Times. They still give you the news. But, like Fox, they also give you their perspective.

: The audience is telling us that news is a commodity. Fox shows you the same events its competitors do; the difference is that Fox does not concentrate its resources on that commodity with too many correspondents sitting in the same press conferences with everybody else and too many fancy, produced pieces. Instead, Fox differentiates itself with attitude. It’s smarter — and it’s cheaper.

: The audience is telling us that conservatives are fun to watch — more fun than liberals. (Was Phil Donahue really the best the left could produce for TV?)

You don’t have to like Fox or agree with Fox to find it entertaining. It’s the Howard Stern rule from “Private Parts:” Those who like him listen for a few hours to see what he’ll say next; those who don’t like him listen even longer — and why? — to see what he’ll say next.

Of course, I don’t agree with lots of what Fox says. I find O’Reilly’s hectoring unfair and irritating. A couple of their personalities are as dumb as my TV. But in general, I’ve found their war coverage to be as effective as anyone else’s.

And it’s still important to stand back and look at the ratings and see that the audience — the people we in media are all trying to serve — and flocking to Fox. There must be a reason for that.

I think we are inevitably moving to a media world where opinion and perspective wrap news. FoxNews is not the only harbinger of that. Weblogs are, too.

Like Fox, weblogs recognize that news is usually a commodity; we all link to the same news. What we then add is perspective, opinion, argument. We, like Fox, make news more compelling.

One student in Syracuse complained about Fox’s particular slant — not surprisingly — and its impact on the audience. The professor said she was condescending to the audience. I said that you have to have faith in the audience; I launched into my populist screed (I’ll spare you) and said that you have to have the faith that the audience can tell fact from opinion, slant from straight. You have to give the audience that much respect. And if you respect the audience, you should listen to them.

I say that in the ratings for Fox, the audience is telling us something. Listen.

13 responses to “And a damn site more popular than you or PBS, Bill”

  1. joe70116 Avatar
    joe70116

    “One student in Syracuse complained about Fox’s particular slant — not surprisingly — and its impact on the audience”
    One wonders what said student thinks about Al-Jazeera or even NPR..:)

  2. Anil Avatar

    Wait a minute, conservatives are fun to watch and people love them, but the whole media is controlled and populated with liberals? Hollywood makes the most popular movies in the world, which everyone is enthusiastic about watching, but its creators are super-liberals who are out of touch with normal people?
    I smell bullshit. Either the mainstream news media and singers (like the dixie chicks) and actors and writers and directors (like martin sheen or michael moore) are out of touch and unpopular, or you have to concede, as an avowed populist, that America, and the whole world, overwhelmingly choose to watch and listen to liberals and liberal messages.
    It wouldn’t be news that the stupid, pandering conservativism (if i were right-leaning, I’d be insulted that they purport that Fox is targeted at me) was increasing in popularity if it weren’t already the accepted standard that most people prefer liberal messages.

  3. Janet Avatar

    I personally would just like HONEST coverage. People want to voice their opinions, that’s fine; however, it should be made known that it is in fact an opinion. Many times I myself feel as if I’m being told what I am supposed to hear, not necessarily the truth.

  4. Oliver Avatar

    Ok. I’m willing to start a liberal news network with an even snarkier attitude than Fox. I just need a few million. Where’s Ted Turner when you need him?

  5. Laurie K Avatar
    Laurie K

    One-newspaper towns breed objective reporting. I’m sorry, but where does this assertion come from. Try picking up the Los Angeles Times. A more poisonous leftist bullhorn you will not find. With even the weak competition it once had from lesser publications like the Herald-Examiner, it had a more moderate, more balanced viewpoint that was really quite informative. What passes for journalism there now is the worst sort of partisan rhetoric. I for one don’t need my news to have a point of view. I can come up with my own thanks.

  6. Jeff Jarvis Avatar

    Whoa, you’re all going off on a predictable (and boring) liberal-v-conservative is-news-objective freshman seminar arguments. Arrrrgggghhhh!
    That’s not what I’m aiming at here. Forget liberal or conservative and answer the question: Why is Fox beating the hell out of its competitors?
    I contend it’s because Fox is opinionated and that the audience does like that. And I contend that that’s good news for all you webloggers because you’re all opinionated (and that doesn’t mean you’re not honest) — as all these comments prove.

  7. Karl Avatar

    I would wager a bet if you put out a poll
    Do you like Fox Because:
    1. It tells it like it is.
    2. It’s opinionated.
    3. I don’t like Fox.
    4. It offers balanced coverage.
    You would be surprised Jeff. I bet 1, 3, and 4 would by far have more votes then 2.

  8. Jim Treacher Avatar

    But… but… Anil smells bullshit, Jeff!

  9. Sgt Freiwilliger Avatar
    Sgt Freiwilliger

    Out here in the boondocks, there is a widespread perception, which I share, that the old-line networks have as much of a slant as Fox, but in the opposite direction. Anyone who’s been watching Peter Jennings for any period of time the past couple of weeks has heard editorializing that would make ol’ William Randolph blush. I think what you’re seeing is that a big chunk of America is getting to pick up the American broadcast equivalent of that British conservative newspaper. I just think Fox is up-front about their opinions.

  10. cj Avatar

    I have to disagree with Jarvis here.
    On the face of it, Fox seems more “slanted,” but if one listens to the other network/cable news (which I HAVEN’T done, until the war), one very quickly picks up on the fact that each network has its own bias. And frankly, since I haven’t watched much tv news in the past few years, I was rather surprised at the lack of OBJECTIVE reporting by ANY of the news programs.
    What I think Fox represents, however, rather than a liberal or conservative view, is a POSITIVE ATTITUDE. The other networks, regardless of slant, seem to dwell on the negative.
    I admit, in the last three weeks of war coverage, I have occasionally tuned into FOX, just to hear a counter balance to the doomsayers on the other channels.
    But I don’t believe anything I hear, unless it is at least 3 days old, and even then, I take it with a grain of salt.

  11. cj Avatar

    Oh, meant to add re: one-newspaper towns:
    Having grown up in a small community with one newspaper, and living now in a much larger metro area with one newspaper, I feel pretty confident in saying that one-newspaper towns reflect the stance of the power brokers of said town.

  12. tester Avatar

    Karl, choices 1 and 2 on your list can be used fairly interchangeably… in fact they all can.
    Example: “I just love Molly Ivins, she really tells it like it is” coming from someone of the liberal persuasion.
    Or “I adore National Journal, it provides fair and balanced coverage of the important issues of the day.” coming from a Andrew Sullivanite.
    In both cases the reader is responding to the opinions and analysis offered, even if he or she won’t directly admit it.
    Mr. Jarvis is right, Fox News has a provocative point of view in contrast to the vapid, vaguely liberal wishywashy bent that has been the norm for lord knows how many years – a shallow and ill-thought-out liberalism that probably does more harm than good to progressive causes.
    I personally would eat up a truly progressive tv network the minute it appeared, one with an intelligent point of view on the war on drugs, in-depth coverage of how our government representatives are bought and paid for, the healthcare crisis and so forth.

  13. Charlie Avatar
    Charlie

    I think we’re ending up missing the point. First off, as almost got said above, in general when someone says “The X News Source is completely unbiased” it nearly invariably means “The X News Source and I agree.” If people would be more self-aware of this, a lot of the issues would become transparent, and Eric Alterman could figure out that it’s not that the media are particularly conserative, it’s just that it’s more conservative than Eric Alterman. Bernie Goldberg was trying to say this, in his sort of folksy-conversational Sunday feature sort of way: it’s not that CBS News (and others) are liberal, it’s that they think “objective” means “agrees with what my friends and I think.”
    Fox News acts as if they understand this rather better than most other sources: they know they’re relatively conservative (every so often even I want to slap Shep Smith, and let’s not mention O’Reilly.) But they’re willing to bring on characters from the Loonie Left on a regular basis, in order to strive to be Fair and Balanced.
    Does having Katrina vanderHoovel and Eric Alterman and that loony from the UCLA Film School make the coveraged untainted by conservatism? Not a bit. What it does is expose the contrast — which is probably the best we can expect.

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