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Truly terrible scene in the N.O. Convention Center, after the horror:

Then he shined the light on the smaller human figure under the white sheet next to the elderly man.

“That’s a kid,” he said. “There’s another one in the freezer, a 7-year-old with her throat cut.”

He moved on, walking quickly through the darkness, pulling his camouflage shirt to his face to screen out the overwhelming odor.
“There’s an old woman,” he said, pointing to a wheelchair covered by a sheet. “I escorted her in myself. And that old man got bludgeoned to death,” he said of the body lying on the floor next to the wheelchair.

Brooks and several other Guardsmen said they had seen between 30 and 40 more bodies in the Convention Center’s freezer. “It’s not on, but at least you can shut the door,” said fellow Guardsman Phillip Thompson.

The scene of rotting bodies inside the Convention Center reflected those in thousands of businesses, schools, homes and shelters across the metropolitan area.

  • http://jonnygoldstein.com jonny goldstein

    I’m having a hard time expressing how disgusted I feel after reading that.
    And in reading the whole article, I see that they are estimating as many as 10,000 dead. What a loss.

  • Robert

    The administration says that they have to concentrate on the survivors and now is not the time for criticism. Wasn’t it criticism that eventually brought in the help? Just imagine the death toll had the media not been able to get to the affected areas of New Orleans.

    There is a lot of blame to go around both in the Democratic and Republican parties. The Democratic leadership in Louisana could have acted faster than they did. But hearing Mr. Chertoff (Homeland Security) and Mr. Brown (FEMA) stating the beginning that everything was under control and that problems were not as bad as the media was stating was insane. Thanks to the media we have also learned that Mr. Brown of FEMA expertism lies with Arabian horses and is not even qualified for the position, which he receive through political cronyism.

    I am sorry but Mr. Chertoff and Mr. Brown must be removed immediately. They are part of the problem and should not remain to be a part of the solution.

  • Jane

    The New Orleans Grit
    Saturday, August 20, 2005
    NOLA Murder Rate
    New Orleans’ murder rate 10 times the national average.

    We don’t need more cops, we need troops.

    I should probably try to get a job as a journalist in Iraq. I’m really qualified after working the New Orleans housing projects.

    *******
    What about the news stories journalists did not cover before the Hurricane’s landfall. What happened in the Convention Center, what happened in the Dome, appears to have been the norm for those impoverish citizens who lived in the projects. Maybe if the mainstream media truly cared, maybe these very same citizens could have been safe within their own community as they rode out a storm.

  • Greg T

    Robert –

    Maybe you’re right, maybe not.

    But you don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to who knew what, what happened, what the legalities of local/state/federal responsibilities are and who’s derelict of duty at any point in the timeline of events from 3 days prior to 8/29 to this past Sunday.

    Someone will pay with their job(s), and organizations reorganized again, but not today.

  • http://http:rightnumberone.blogspot.com rightnumberone

    Robert is correct,

    If Ray Nagin hadn’t criticized Bush, all those people would still be trapped there. It was only the criticism that got the federal government moving. New Orleans would still have hundreds of thousands of people dying of heat prostration in the Superdome if Ray Nagin hadn’t gotten upset and demanded action.

    Don’t you all realize what a hero Ray Nagin is for standing up to the federal government?

    It was only the criticism that got the White House interested in saving people’s lives. Otherwise, nobody would have noticed. Or cared.

    Why, just 12 hours later, the entire ARMY showed up.

    So, it had to be the criticism that did it. Because, it only happened after Ray Nagin and Wolf Blitzer began criticizing the relief efforts of the White House.

    Thank God for Ray Nagin and Wolf Blitzer.

  • Bruce

    “Wasn’t it criticism that eventually brought in the help?” No, the help arrived as soon as it could, and, by the way, well within the timeline specified in the disaster plan. Meanwhile, America’s most dysfunctional local government sat on its collective thumb and looked around for people to pass the blame to.

    Jesus, buy a clue sometime.

  • http://www.FuckJarvis.com FuckJarvis

    Jarvis, you reactionary, ass-sucking right-wing fuck.

    Quit trying to glom onto the NOLA post-mortem and go ask your boys at Right-Wing FuckTank HQ for your new marching orders.

  • Dexter Westbrook

    You’ll note in the story that the New Orleans deputy chief of police is saying, “Body recovery isn’t our job.”

    Is there any job the New Orleans cops and city officials were doing before, during and after the hurricane, except for looting and bitching about the federal government?

    Now I see that the police, firefighters etc., after five long days of finding ways to do nothing, are going to be taking city-paid vacations to Las Vegas, with the full support of the sainted Mayor Nagin.

    If you really believe Mayor Nagin did a good job, you deserve to have him running your city. The only problem is, the rest of us have to pitch in to bail out his incompetent ass.

  • a

    Jeff, to make these claims you are obliged to demonstrate that more lives would have been
    saved if resources which were dedicated to search-and-rescue had been diverted to evacuation of the superdome and convention center.

    If you cannot demonstrate that then it would be most prudent to cease the bloviation.

  • http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/? U.S. House of Representatives

    Peolple Calling fo the Expulsion of Chertoff and FEMA Representatives
    For The People By The People

    http://www.congress.org/congressorg/issues/alert/?alertid=7991531&content_dir=ua_congressorg

    We the people of the United States are calling for the expulsion of Chertoff and FEMA Representatives. They were hired by the people to do a job that they are no longer qualified to do! We the people hired them and can fire them. No resignation so they can collect millions in retirement and investment funds at the expense of the people. We call for an outside investigation from the United Nations because it seems our “Federal Investigations” hide the truth and pass the buck. We want to know the truth. Finally, we the people are finding that this government is no longer for the people by the people, it is an oligharchy for the benefit of corporations of which have no compassion for the very people that support them and invest in them. We now know that this Country is being judged by class by our own government. Chertoff and FEMA have made us the laughing stock of the World!

    YOUR CITIZEN’s RIGHTS to DEMAND THEIR RESIGNATION!
    Go to http://www.congress.org/congressorg/mail/compose/?state=US&content_dir=ua_congressorg&alertid=7991531&target=PR&target=VP&mailid=custom&type=PR

  • Spaceman

    Well, Bush can be blamed for forgetting how inept Louisiana and New Orleans government is. New Orleans barely gets by day-to-day. In hindsight, he would have been better to federalize the whole effort as soon as the levees breached instead of letting the Governor of Louisiana get in the way.

  • kc reader

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-09-04-katrina-reportersnotebook_x.htm

    This is from USA Today and no mention was made of raped girls or dead babies… “We had been told that there were bodies in the cooler of the kitchen. What we found were the bodies of a few elderly people who appeared to have died of natural causes and were placed by the back door, as if to get them as far away from the survivors as possible. ”

    I wonder if we will ever know what really happened in the center or in the SuperDome.

  • http://www.doctorweevil.org Dr. Weevil

    Spaceman: Do you know whether the president has the Constitutional power to federalize the relief effort without permission from the governor or the mayor? My impression is that he does not, though I would very much like to read an analysis by a fair-minded and well-informed lawyer. I have read on more than one blog (can’t remember which ones) that he asked the mayor and governor to hand over the relief effort to the Federal government and they specifically refused. If he doesn’t have the power to override their refusal, then you are calling for him to act like Mussolini, wiping his feet on the Constitution. That would be a Hell of a precedent to set, even for the best of reasons.

  • Spaceman

    I think he can in the extreme, but it’s not likely he would do so except under extraordinary circumstances (and in spite of the tragedy here, this would still not meet that threshold). Expectation would be that the state government cede control voluntatarily.

  • Angelos

    And while Bush strummed his guitar, 1000 volunteer firefighters sat in sexual harassment, sensitivity, and public relations metting before FEMA let them go to New Orleans.

    The fustercluck is is described here.

    Best part:
    As specific orders began arriving to the firefighters in Atlanta, a team of 50 Monday morning quickly was ushered onto a flight headed for Louisiana. The crew’s first assignment: to stand beside President Bush as he tours devastated areas.

  • Angelos

    *…meetings…*

  • CharlesWT

    The Feds may take charge following procedures as established in the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act. The procedures are detailed in Appendix 5, Section 2 (p. 9) of the NRP: “Immediately after an incident, local jurisdictions respond using available resources and notify State response elements. As information emerges, they also assess the situation and the need for State assistance. The State reviews the situation, mobilizes State resources, and informs the DHS/EPR/FEMA Regional Office of actions taken. The Governor activates the State emergency operations plan, proclaims or declares a state of emergency, and requests a State/DHS joint Preliminary Damage Assessment (PDA) to determine if sufficient damage has occurred to justify a request for a Presidential declaration of a major disaster or emergency. Based upon the results of the PDA, the Governor may request a Presidential declaration and define the kind of Federal assistance needed.” Point being, the Feds can’t just seize control.
    GHOST PLAN FOR A GHOST TOWN

  • http://www.quillnews.com/main/2005/09/blame_game_blam.html Micah

    I found this article a good hash up of why blame is needed, and how! It’s tough when you look at death, destruction, mayhem, and witness opportunities to avoid it. Then feel worse when you realize that in 5 days we are 4 years out from 9/11, and our act is soooo not together. What have we been “learning”?

  • http://www.quillnews.com/main/2005/09/blame_game_blam.html Micah

    Oops, pasted the URL in the wrong place. My bad. ;-) This is the article. The mix of cut-to-the-chase and informed opinion are a strength of this blogger…

    http://www.quillnews.com/main/2005/09/blame_game_blam.html

  • http://www.perrspectives.com AvengingAngel
  • Eileen

    Ok, then. Let’s just focus on the Superdome and the Convention Center, Jeff/MSM. Let’s base everything on what our own eyes witnessed on your chosen coverage. Forget about measured, reasoned analysis after we have all the facts.

    In all of the fair and balanced reporting by the MSM ‘this particular time ’round’ re Katrina – focused only on the Dome and Center – fuggetabout the other MILLIONS impacted in other areas of LA and other states in a catastrophe the size of Britain – did anyone ever see any police presence at the Superdome or the Convention Center? Did you see any of the 8,000 available members of the LA National guard providing aid and comfort? Maybe I missed it/them/all of it? Didn’t you wonder where the NOPD, Louisiana National Guard, and other regional police forces were in the midst of the horror? Did anyone else wonder why nobody from the city or state transported those people out of there, or at the very least brought food and water to them AFTER the storm passed, and BEFORE the levees failed the next day [much less why they didn't provide a stitch of anything for them before the storm arrived]? Did anyone else wonder why local authorities didn’t truck in or drop food or water – or provide any life sustaining provisions at the locations where they had shipped their own? What, no medical assistance? No water, no food, no protection for rape and murder victims?

    Maybe they had a few storm related difficulties? Maybe they had communication problems? Maybe they were afraid of being shot at, or of stampedes and riots? [Ohhh, they HAD no provisions anywhere?, and had no sister city/state agreements in place for such emergency relief for an underwater city which faced hurricanes every year? I see.] I can’t believe they just wanted their own poor, black people to suffer, get raped and die due to heat and dehydration.

    According to what I see and hear on tv, it was only the Feds who had *no* storm [and jurisdictionally] related difficulties, no provisions and no preparation. It was really only the feds who wanted to see a lot of poor black people suffer, get raped and die due to heat and dehydration because they were governed by Democrats…and because they were mostly Democrats.

    Again, based on what we *see’ due to MSM reporting, if the reporters could get there, so could the NOPD and other police departments throughout other jurisdictions of the state of LA as well as the LA National Guard.

    All of LA’s assets remained within Blanco and Nagin’s control even as of Monday, before the levees failed. And Blanco retains control of her Guard and her cops even as we speak. She has chosen to spend LA taxpayers’ money on a past FEMA head to advise related to disaster relief in order to bolster her state powers.

    Wonder what she’ll do about the (10’s of?) 1,000’s who continue to refuse to leave, and who are/will be subjected to a frightening round of toxic soup-related disease and destruction? Regardless of the horrors to come on her watch, she has made sure she still has ‘the power’.

    LA officials continue to only blame the Feds. Surprise! And MSM *of course* continues to blame only the Feds. Surprise!

    I saw the local cops looting. Did you? And I also read/saw reports that the NOPD was conspicuously absent at the Dome and Center because they were “protecting” their “protectors” in the French Quarter, which apparently came out pretty well unlooted and unscathed.

    The silver lining of Katrina will ultimately be the jurisdictional issues which will be resolved in Hell And High Water related to impending and actual disasters, and other national and regional threats. I’m talking Federalism vs. states rights, here. We haven’t even *begun* to see the battle lines drawn yet.

    But I’m an optimist. As a nation, we will end up better prepared for all manner of catastrophe and threats as a result.

  • http://hrsuccess.blogspot.com Tom O’Leary

    “But I’m an optimist. As a nation, we will end up better prepared for all manner of catastrophe and threats as a result. ”

    My optimism waned this time around, Eileen. I thought exactly the same thing after 9/11. But after 4 years of burgeoning our homeland security and disaster prep capabilities, I now wonder if we will see any change in the future. I, for one, certainly wouldn’t be counting on it.

    Unfortunately, without a nationally orchestrated, organized, rapid-response approach to situations like this, individualized efforts to ‘survive’ will lead again and again to confusion and anarchy. Security, communications, triage, mobility and contingencies are areas that we will certainly need to improve upon as a nation if we choose to prevent chaos in the future. The need for national oversight from the beginning is essential as the effects of large-scale disaster affect many states, as evidenced in this case (Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama), to include those states supporting the relief effort (Texas, Georgia, etc.)

    Battling the lines of responsibility or accountability is futile. It is obvious that the entire system collapsed in this disaster. There is not ONE person or agency or representative that can shoulder all of the blame. It was a national failure, at all levels, in terms of being adequately prepared and organized to respond effectively.

    The divisions within our communities are obvious when reading blogs about blame, etc. So many people are very defensive of their political corner which makes it hard for true objectivity to surface. This is a reality that we must understand. It is part of our culture. It is endemic to our bipartisan society. But, it is essential that partisan political motives are shelved in the midst of catastrophe in which human lives are at stake.

  • Angelos

    For those who would still like all the blame to be placed on the Democrats:

    Friday, August 26

    GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO DECLARES STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: [Office of the Governor]

    GULF COAST STATES REQUEST TROOP ASSISTANCE FROM PENTAGON: At a 9/1 press conference, Lt. Gen. Russel Honoré, commander, Joint Task Force Katrina, said that the Gulf States began the process of requesting additional forces on Friday, 8/26. [DOD]
    Saturday, August 27

    5AM — KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 3 HURRICANE [CNN]

    GOV. BLANCO ASKS BUSH TO DECLARE FEDERAL STATE OF EMERGENCY IN LOUISIANA: “I have determined that this incident is of such severity and magnitude that effective response is beyond the capabilities of the State and affected local governments, and that supplementary Federal assistance is necessary to save lives, protect property, public health, and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a disaster.” [Office of the Governor]

    FEDERAL EMERGENCY DECLARED, DHS AND FEMA GIVEN FULL AUTHORITY TO RESPOND TO KATRINA: “Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency.” [White House]
    Sunday, August 28

    2AM – KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 4 HURRICANE [CNN]

    7AM – KATRINA UPGRADED TO CATEGORY 5 HURRICANE [CNN]

    MORNING — LOUISIANA NEWSPAPER SIGNALS LEVEES MAY GIVE: “Forecasters Fear Levees Won’t Hold Katrina”: “Forecasters feared Sunday afternoon that storm driven waters will lap over the New Orleans levees when monster Hurricane Katrina pushes past the Crescent City tomorrow.” [Lafayette Daily Advertiser]

    9:30 AM — MAYOR NAGIN ISSUES FIRST EVER MANDATORY EVACUATION OF NEW ORLEANS: “We’re facing the storm most of us have feared,” said Nagin. “This is going to be an unprecedented event.” [Times-Picayune]

    4PM – NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ISSUES SPECIAL HURRICANE WARNING: In the event of a category 4 or 5 hit, “Most of the area will be uninhabitable for weeks, perhaps longer. … At least one-half of well-constructed homes will have roof and wall failure. All gabled roofs will fail, leaving those homes severely damaged or destroyed. … Power outages will last for weeks. … Water shortages will make human suffering incredible by modern standards.” [National Weather Service]

    AFTERNOON — BUSH, BROWN, CHERTOFF WARNED OF LEVEE FAILURE BY NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER DIRECTOR: Dr. Max Mayfield, director of the National Hurricane Center: “‘We were briefing them way before landfall. … It’s not like this was a surprise. We had in the advisories that the levee could be topped.’” [Times-Picayune; St. Petersburg Times]

    LATE PM – REPORTS OF WATER TOPPLING OVER LEVEE: “Waves crashed atop the exercise path on the Lake Pontchartrain levee in Kenner early Monday as Katrina churned closer.” [Times-Picayune]

    APPROXIMATELY 30,000 EVACUEES GATHER AT SUPERDOME WITH ROUGHLY 36 HOURS WORTH OF FOOD

    Yes, all this, BEFORE Monday. I guess they just didn’t do enough…

  • Jane

    It is my understand that the had provisions in place at the Superdome for 15,000 for 3 days. The problem is 22,000 individuals arrived. Imagine if the mayor had called for an evacuation on Saturday morning and had told the public that busses would be leaving from the Superdome to transport families out of harms way – New Orleans could have gotten the remaining evacuees in the Superdome to a more manageable size.

    At the Convention Center, thugs were looting the restaurants and getting drunk. Another story altogether.

    My mother wants me to relocate to San Francisco to be near my family. I want to go on record that in the event 3 populated cities in California are completely destroyed by an earthquake with additional damages spread out over 90,000 miles, that I don’t expect FEMA to be a SWAT Team. I fully anticipate that if I surve the earthquake, that it’s going to be rough, rough going until help arrives. And, when help arrives, 5-6-10 day out, I’ll be grateful.

  • Mike

    Angelos, not that I think you’re lying, but where did you get that timeline? Can you link to the source? You state it as if those are the facts and they are not debatable. I’ve seen other variations of those facts. And since everyone knows how much you can’t stand the Bush administration, you’ll forgive if I don’t put aside your bias and take your comments as fact.

    For those who would still like all the blame to be placed on the Democrats:

    At least you are changing your tune a little bit. Does this mean you think that the local and state share some (I would say most) of the blame for the poor response to this disaster? I think most people who voted for Bush who read this blog would agree that the Federal response should have been better and they are not free from criticism.

  • Ravo

    Imagine if the mayor had called for an evacuation on Saturday morning and had told the public that busses would be leaving from the Superdome to transport families out of harms way – New Orleans could have gotten the remaining evacuees in the Superdome to a more manageable size.

    The above bears repeating till it sinks in.

    We hear nearly nothing about the rest of the 90,000 square miles affected, even though some areas are so bad someone commented:

    “Contrast the Louisiana situation with the one next door in Mississippi – (Gov. Barbour.) What’s been lost in all the blather over New Orleans is that it was really Mississippi that took the big hit. The buildings in New Orleans are still standing; the Gulf Coast of Mississippi basically has been scrubbed, like God took out a pencil eraser and just erased it.”,/i>

    Noting all areas have the same “FEDS”, a commenter writes:

    “TX, AL, MS and FL have that LA doesn’t? The answer quite simply is Republican leadership.”

    How did MS mayors deal with getting vulnerable populations out of danger?

    Someone asked this question…

    “Let me ask you this, how were those without means in New Orleans to be provided for?

    Do we need to create a new Federal agency whose purpose is to evacuate the occupants of Democrat vote plantations when their patrons choose to abandon them? “

  • http://groups.myspace.com/thequickeninggroup Adam

    The City on the Hill
    –after September 13 by Yeats

    A girl jumped off the roof today
    To escape the water’s blind rage.
    Her family had washed away
    While waiting for their monthly wage.
    Did we think the battle was won,
    While we clung to a rotting tree?
    The City on the Hill is gone,
    It’s washed away into the sea.

    I once was taught that love was blind,
    That all our deeds were watched God,
    And sin was purged if I was kind.
    To cargo brought on ships of wood,
    To those I laid my burdens on,
    Now nothing good could ever be.
    The City on the Hill is gone,
    It’s washed away into the sea.

    Does he hear us when we pray,
    Is loneliness our state of grace?
    Why does he turn his head away?
    While they swim the refugee’s race,
    There is no earth to rest upon,
    The gulls scream, and what do they see?
    Their City on the Hill is gone,
    It’s washed away into the sea.

    This nation is only a poem,
    Empty rhymes are all it can give;
    It cannot hear a race’s groan
    As it holds its faith like a sieve.
    The carcass of a newborn fawn
    Floats by the shore of memory;
    The childish dreams we dreamed are gone,
    They’ve washed away into the sea.

    –Toronto 9/6/2005

  • Maureen

    I’m curious as to why people aren’t asking why the mayor of N.O. didn’t put the school buses to work evacuating people–BEFORE THE STORM HIT!!! Thousands of buses. And I was just talking to someone today whose friend was a tourist trapped in the Superdome for the whole hurricane. According to her & her husband–again, people who lived thru it (white, may I add)–the mayor is much to blame for what happened & people not getting out afterwards.

    And how about the Governor, who has thrown up one roadblock after another for federal aid. Wasn’t it you, Jeff, who asked several days ago about declaring martial law? Well, the GOVERNOR is the reason why (a Democrat, may I add).

    And, as for those who are bitching about why more aid wasn’t offered–read this post about a rolling medical facility, state of the art, able to treat 100 people at a time, that could have been in N.O. within just a few hours–that desperately wanted to get there. (Hmmm–maybe Kanye might want to read this story.) They even had their own SWAT team to protect them. They were BLOCKED–by the GOVERNOR!!!! So the facility is now treating people in Mississippi. Before you liberals dismiss it out of hand, it has links to USA Today & ABC news stories talking about the same thing. http://laffinattheleft.blogspot.com/2005/09/another-missed-opportunity-by-blanco.html

    Read it & weep. And then, yes, let’s point fingers–where they need to be pointed. Because there were breakdowns all along the way. But the Democrats need to look long & hard at their own complicity in this. Because you know damn well that politics played a big part in the Democratic governor & Democratic mayor not wanting to cooperate with a Republican president & somehow make him look good. And let’s be really cold-hearted & look at the fact that N.O.–& Lousiana–have long been known for massive political corruption & incompetence at all levels (including a police department that was for many years known as one of the most corrupt in the nation). That played a BIG part in this.

    But it’s all Bush’s fault somehow. Except when it’s Haley Barbour’s fault (according to RFK Jr.). Or Karl Rove’s fault.

  • Maureen

    I’ll add, too, that the women who was in the Superdome also had no mention of the alleged horrors listed above. (She & her husband are now in Dallas where they arrived at 3 in the morning a few days ago & then were sent to a hotel.) The worst she had to complain about was not getting a bath for 5 days, the smell & heat, & standing in line for the evacuation buses afterwards for 18 hours (& not being able to leave the line to go to the bathroom). No rapes, no knifings, no dead babies everywhere. I have to wonder if they don’t go down in the same urban myth category as the “journalist” who posted on Huffington about people eating one another. Because, of course, the more you can blame Bush for (even if it isn’t true), the better.

  • Maureen

    And to keep piling on. Um, Jeff–& Moonbats–here’s a story from the GUARDIAN!!!! You know, the al Jazeera loving, America hating, much loved by “why they hate us” liberals, Guardian–DEBUNKING the claims being made (including the rapes & throat-slittings). This from a newspaper that hates Bush & America so much it must have made them want to cut off their hands to write it.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/katrina/story/0,16441,1563532,00.html

  • Angelos

    Here is the timeline, all event annotated with further links.

    I’m sure there were f-ups at every level.

    But as was mentoined in a comment on another thread, no one jumped on Jebby last year, when he couldn’t avacuate all the poor and inform, and of course the stubborn idiots. So people died in Florida too, but only because of the direct effects of the wind, not because of flooding.

    The mayor and the governor did announce the severity of the storm, and told people to get the hell out. 100s of thousands did get out, because they could. How the rest were supposed to be forced onto school buses, is beyond me.

    When it comes down to it though, where were the people tasked to respond to this emergency? It is complete and utter bullshit to say that the governor didn’t ask for federal help, when that was taken care of before the storm even hit! Our President can’t be bothered to interrupt his vacation (see HIS timeline here: http://www.canofun.com/blog/videos/tdsbushtimeline.wmv), FEMA is sitting on their thumbs for 2 days training firefighters how to pose for photo-ops, and PREVENTING water and food and aid from geting to the people who need it (you know, because we want them to leave, not stay for food), making excuses that they can’t get into the city because the roads are bad when everyone ELSE is getting into the city just fine…

    What did we get out of Bush? Our Potemkin “leader”? Staged photo-ops. Mission Accomplished, except with firemen instead of a flightsuit. Hell, they even faked the food stations behind him.

    Every bit of spin from Bush to Rove to McClellan on down has been shot down with documented evidence. Every failure is on paper for all to see. Every statement such as “no one anticipiated the levees to break” and “the papers and news said “New Orleans dodged a bullet” has been shown to be a lie. The Federal government, from the president on down to DHS/FEMA, has spent 9 days lying and spinning, not working.

    When the buck finally stops, how low do you think they can push it?

  • http://www.laffinattheleft.blogspot.com The Capitalist

    We, the citizens who havent caught moonbat fever, call for the arrest and prosecution of the chief and officers of the NOPD, who refused to uphold order in the city of New Orleans, refused to safeguard REFUGEES in the superdome, participated in looting in some cases, and walked off the job when the big easy got hard.

    We, the citizens of the reality, call for the immediate dismissal of Mayor Ray Nagin, the nimrod who waited too late to sound the alarm, forgot to mobilize his busses to evacuate the aged and infirm, forgot to provide food, sanitation and security at shelters, and finally, wisely chose to remain at his office in New Orleans, where contacting him about anything would be impossible.

    We, the citizens of the real world, call for the immediate impeachment and removal of Kathleen Blanco, the nimrod who refused to mobilize her Guard troops, forgot to ask for federal assistance, and had to be told by the President that an evacuation might be a good idea.

  • Mike

    How the rest were supposed to be forced onto school buses, is beyond me.

    This is such an ignorant statement. Go to the city of New Orleans web page, using the buses is in the disaster plan for Christ’s sake. How can you just casually mention that the mayor ordered a mandatory evacuation and then act like his job was done!

    “the papers and news said “New Orleans dodged a bullet” has been shown to be a lie.

    I don’t know about the papers, but the morning of the 29th the main story I heard was exactly that New Orleans dodged a bullet because the storm’s path changed as the eye started moving east and had weakened. This change saved New Orleans from the most devastating storm surge. That is absolutely true.

    The Federal government, from the president on down to DHS/FEMA, has spent 9 days lying and spinning, not working.

    Now you show your true colors once again. That statement is just false. You can say for 2 days their response was minimal and ineffective, but to continue to say they are not working is just BS. Stop being such a partisan hack and maybe try adding some constructive criticism towards every level of government, instead of your constant anti-Bush rhetoric.

  • http://www.onehandedeconomist.com Timothy

    Jeff:

    I just wanted to place a comment here on behalf of those of use with any whit of rationality left. Good blog, keep up the good work. I mayn’t always agree with you, but your Katrina coverage has been top-notch.

  • Angelos

    Uh, Rao,?
    PASCAGOULA, Miss. — Crews are driving around coastal Mississippi, picking up bodies left on sidewalks like garbage and depositing them in refrigerated mobile morgues. Coroners are conducting autopsies in parking lots because the only available light is from the sun.

    “We are looking for any scars, tattoos, dental work. I’m doing DNA, fingerprinting and photos,” she said Thursday. “It’s not easy. This isn’t like looking at James standing there and telling what he looks like. These people really are not identifiable right now.”

    Yup, Haley Barbour did a bang-up job. And his state isn’t below sea level. What’s his excuse?

    ————

    Mike regarding the “dodged a bullet”, read this beauty of a post, and then consider that the levees gave on Monday. While you are correct that the eye of the storm did take a slight right turn Monday to avoid a direct hit on NO, that’s like saying they were only 95% pregnant. The place was mostly destroyed from the winds and rain, and the levees were breached, thus finishing the job. And we knew this. All one had to do was turn on the “filter.”

    I didn’t say the mayor and guvnor were absolved of blame. I did say, they executed the evacuation orders as they were supposed to. I’m kind of perturbed about the bus thing, and there are a couple questions I have still that I’m trying to get answered.

    Yes, they are working now, I misphrased that (bring back PREVIEW!!!). But they’re also spending a LOT of energy, even today, passing the buck around, doing the media flood, using the standard Republican practice of repeating the lie unti it’s true, at least for the morons that vote for them.

  • sick in los angeles

    come on Angelos, lets not bring party politics into this. This is a classic case of a city out of control (hence the crime rate, jobless rate, poverty level, a police force which had to be taken over by the Feds…the list goes on) But whose fault is all of this? Blame blame blame blame blame

    Why are we always pointing the finger in this country!!!!!! We all have the means to determine our own destiny in this country, this is not a third world country dominated by dictators, where you are shot like a dog in the street by govt officials. what- ever party you support , you have to agree that our system of govt is the most fair. there is so much assistance for people in this country – from free public education to subsidized housing / food stamps etc,,,etc,,,,
    try living in poverty in Thailand and then being hit by a sunami and see what the govt of Thailand does for you. NOTHING!!!!!

    How about lets take care of ourselves and if able offer to help, one of the principles this country. Please, dont just stand there, waiting for a hand out while at the same time blame,blame,blame and more blame!!!!
    was founded on .

  • Linda Edwards

    Ravo, the MS officials don’t include a plan for evacuating special needs people. You have to get yourself out, whether handicapped, elderly, whatever.

    http://www.biloxi.ms.us/stormflood/flood.asp

    Waveland MS was literally blown off the map. Their fire dept had issued hurricane instructions, it specifically says you have to make your own arrangements for special needs people.

    http://www.wavelandfiredepartment.com/mississippi_gulf_coast%20evacuation.htm

    The MS officials didn’t evacuate anyone, just like FL doesn’t. It’s every man for himself. So why do you only blame NO mayor?

    MS and AL officials are also complaining about slow and incompetent federal response. So why do you only blame NO mayor?

    Please note: none of these governments that I’ve found supply food and water to evacuees in shelters. At least the Superdome had a couple of days supply of food and water. They held out until Wed, by which time FEMA was supposed to have been in high gear.

    Maureen, your suggestion that the tens of thousands at the Superbowl and Convention Center could have been evacuated in time in thousands for buses before the storm is dead wrong. That leftist organization, the Red Cross, agrees:

    http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html

    “The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives. ”

    Can you image what the “thousands of buses” you suggest would have done to the traffic congestion situation that already existed? NO ONE would have gotten out. Remember, New Orleans is surrounded on 3 sides by water, and there’s only a limited number of routes out of the city.

    After looking at this with a bit more objectivity that some here can apparently muster up, just about the only thing I can see that NO mayor could have possibly done was to have taken the buses and moved them to higher ground. But that assumes first that you have drivers that could have moved that many hundreds of buses from one side of town to another in a very short period of time (that would be a logistical nightmare in itself, plus I heard drivers were in very short supply anyway), and it also assumes that there was higher ground to be had. With 80% of the city that ended up under water, where would you have staged all the buses?

    The devil is in the details, eh?

  • Robert Swaim

    Angelos,
    “they executed the evacuation orders as they were supposed to”, does that include sending your citizens to “Safe Places”(Superdome/Convention Center) and then not providing food/water/security. The Red Cross sat 45 miles outside New Oeleans and was (and still is) held up because of the State Homeland Security Department. As you mentined thousands of buses sat flooded, because they executed the plan, hardly. Every element of Mayor Nagin’s plan failed, including his personal leadership, the State leadership (not the people) failed, and continue to fail. Unlike yourself I don’t see a Republican or Democrat issue here, I do see an issue of responsibility here and unless you get past your bias you will have to continue to be an apologist for the real failures in order to support that bias.

  • Ravo

    Linda…
    a couple of prior commenters can answer:

    Go to the city of New Orleans web page, using the buses is in the disaster plan for Christ’s sake. How can you just casually mention that the mayor ordered a mandatory evacuation and then act like his job was done!

    here’s what “mandatory evacuation means in Florida…as explained by a resident of that state:

    “One more thing: some people seem confused by the idea of “mandatory evacuation”. No one is usually forced to evacuate by the sheriff. “Mandatory evacuation” means basically “don’t come blaming us when you’re dead”, and “if you’re caught in a fire, you’re going to burn to death, because we ain’t sending the fire department out to save your stupid ass.” There’s usually no actual force involved. It’s the force of the word itself that usually gets people moving, as in: “Oh, you mean it’s so dangerous and imminent, I really don’t have a choice?” Right – you don’t have a choice if you want to be sure you’ll be alive tomorrow.”

    and yet another:

    “What I don’t do is sit and wait on a Nanny to come save me.

    I still can’t get my head around those buses in NO. If the gov or mayor had sent word to let 300 of the adults in the dome drive those things…..

    Anyone see the young man that stole a bus, loaded it with about a 100 and drove that sucker to Houston? I want HIM as mayor or governor.”

    Then, at least the number left in the dome would have perhaps been more manageable.

  • http://oodja.blogspot.com Jersey Exile

    Robert Swaim,

    Of course you see a Republican or Democrat issue here, because you keep bending over backwards not to mention any possible failure at the Federal level. Now why would that be?

    I don’t think anyone here is arguing with a straight face that mistakes weren’t made at every level of response. But it is up to the voters of N.O. to decide how well Ray Nagin met the challenge of Katrina, and no doubt Governor Blanco will have to answer to her constituents as well when all is said and done.

    As for FEMA director Brown and DHS secretary Chertoff, however, I think there’s ample evidence on hand already (with more coming down the pipe from multiple FOIA requests) that these two men responded to this emergency in a piss-poor manner unbecoming their position of trust.

    Why shouldn’t they be fired, exactly? What did these two incompetents do right that make them less blameworthy than Nagin and Blanco? And more importantly, why should they remain at the helm for the next disaster when they have clearly failed to do their jobs during this one?

  • Jennifer

    You know what pisses me off? As a native from New Orleans? It pisses me off how you guys are using this as an opportunity to bash your rival political party. You don’t care about us. You don’t care about our city. You don’t care about what really happened or that hindsight is 20/20 or that everyone there did what they could and everyone left was just trying to survive. Nope. All you care about is how now you get to place some blame on the Other Guy for something you don’t have any part of.

    Go to hell.

  • Linda Edwards

    Ravo, you’re like talking to a brick wall. I’ve been over and over this with you. You take comments that people make (but only if they agree with you) and treat it like it’s fact. You don’t link to anything credible. There doesn’t have to be reason involved. So it’s simply your opinion. And that’s fine. But it ain’t fact. So go ahead and live in your fantasy world. Enjoy. Later.

  • http://www.stratfor.com/news/archive/050903-geopolitics_katrina.php Jennifer

    Please read/

  • Jennifer
  • Jennifer

    You want blame? You want pissed off natives?

    http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=8113

    I don’t care who did it! Fix it, goddamnit!

  • Mike Reaves

    I would rather have anarchy than live in a Police State. I am writing from the GREEDY town of Flagstaff, Arizona. I work for a miserly $8.00 an hour as a slave for the ultra expensive “Golf Community” of Forest Highlands. These rich bastards have no clue what life is like for a poor wage slave like myself. I actually saw one of the bastards driving a $300,000 Maybach today. Our gas stations are charging more than Vegas or California. I hate this frigging town.

  • Linda Edwards

    Sorry, but couldn’t resist. For those who seem to think the city was responsible for using buses to evacuating people out of the city, you really need to re-read the city plan.

    This refers to the responsibilities of the RTA, but I also include the NOPD:
    C. New Orleans Police Department

    * Ensure orderly traffic flow.

    * Assist in removing disabled vehicles from roadways as needed.

    * Direct the management of transportation of seriously injured persons to hospitals as needed.

    * Direct evacuees to proper shelters and/or staging areas once they have departed the threatened area.

    * Release all public information through the ESF-14, Public Information.

    D. Regional Transit Authority

    * Supply transportation as needed in accordance with the current Standard Operating Procedures.

    * Place special vehicles on alert to be utilized if needed.

    * Position supervisors and dispatch evacuation buses.

    * If warranted by scope of evacuation, implement additional service.

    Those evacuation buses were to take evacuees to shelters (Superdome), not to locations outside the city. Obviously, that’s how many people made it to the shelter. The service was available, but did everyone take advantage of it? Apparently not, partly because many people don’t trust shelters and would rather take their chances at home. The Superdome, in case you didn’t know, survived the hurricane.

    Further:

    “Multiple sites shall be identified and geographically positioned to serve the impacted populations without placing burdens upon those who may have lost their private transportation resources as a result of the disaster. Regional Transit Authority may be called upon to provide free transit to recovery centers located along existing bus routes. Recovery center staffing patterns shall be developed along accepted state and federal guidelines and provided from city, state and private agencies.”

    Regarding special needs persons:

    http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=4
    “Contact your support system and begin to implement the evacuation portion of your disaster plan. If you have no transportation or none is available to you, the Emergency Evacuation Assistance Program (see enclosed application) has been designed for people with disabilities who require assistance with activities of daily living in an evacuation center, or people who cannot use public transportation or require transportation for evacuation purposes due to age, medical condition, or disability. Evacuation centers are available as a last resort for people who have no other place to go. If you need to evacuate, you should first contact your support system and seek shelter with relatives, friends, community organizations or in hotels/motels.”

    Please note you have to pre-apply and pre-qualify for this transportation service, just like in FL. This makes sense, since that tells the city where to find you. They city doesn’t cruise around the neighborhood, looking for them, they don’t have time for that. Now from the film footage I was seeing from the Superdome, there were lots and lots of special needs folks that had been moved there. Remember them? They were the folks dying from heat exhaustion and lack of medication in their wheelchairs.

    One last thing:
    “Feeding and food and supply distribution sites shall be established following a disaster in geographically distributed sites across the Parish. Feeding sites shall be established by ESF?6, Mass Care, in conjunction with ESF?11, Food and Water. The Southeast Louisiana Chapter of the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army shall provide the lead in establishing and operating these sites.”

    As the Red Cross tells us on their own website, FEMA would’t allow the Red Cross into the city to perform their designated function. So the food supply chain that was set up to handle the feeding and distribution of food was disrupted for some unknown reason by the Feds. I don’t know about the Salvation Army, but I would suspect they had the same problem.

    The New Orleans Emergency Plan is comperable to any of the other emergency plans I’ve spent my time looking at today. In fact, not all communities offer any kind of special needs evacuation service at all (like Waveland MS – yur on your own, kid).

  • Ravo

    Mike posted“I work for a miserly $8.00 an hour as a slave for the ultra expensive “Golf Community” of Forest Highlands. These rich bastards have no clue what life is like for a poor wage slave like myself. “/i>

    Mike, * “Fewer than 20 percent of America’s millionaires inherited 10 percent or more of their wealth.”

    Get over your jealousy, use your surroundings to study those who have made it, if you are humble, eager to absorb learning like a sponge and very lucky, you may find a mentor.

    You can do it too if you want it bad enough and are willing delay gratifying yourself with stuff that won’t matter years ..even months..down the road. Most millionaires made it in one generation.

    Good Luck to you.

    http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:UxsIDPxMALcJ:www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html+percentage+of+wealthy+that+inherited+their+wealth&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

    Most of America’s millionaires are first-generation rich. How is it possible for people from modest backgrounds to become millionaires in one generation? Why is it that so many people with similar socioeconomic backgrounds never accumulate even modest amounts of wealth?

    Most people who become millionaires have confidence in their own abilities. They do not spend time worrying about whether or not their parents were wealthy. They do not believe that one must be born wealthy. Conversely, people of modest backgrounds who believe that only the wealthy produce millionaires are predetermined to remain non-affluent. Have you always thought that most millionaires are born with silver spoons in their mouths? If so, consider the following facts that our research uncovered about American millionaires:

    * Only 19 percent receive any income or wealth of any kind from a trust fund or an estate.

    * Fewer than 20 percent inherited 10 percent or more of their wealth.

    * More than half never received as much as $1 in inheritance.

  • kat

    {MG: As the Red Cross told me, they said look. We are not state actors. We are not the Army. We are a private organziation. We work in cooperation with both FEMA and the state officials. But the state told us A) it’s not safe, because the water is dangerous. And we’re now learning how toxic the water is. B) there’s a security situation, because they didn’t have a handle on the violence on the ground. And C) and I think this is most importantly, they wanted to evacuate out. They didn’t want people to stay.}
    {If you really want to get to the bottom of what really happened after Katrina, and you want to get caught up in the blame game, you will eventually discover that blame in Louisiana is spelled B-L-A-N-C-O.} I know B-U-S-H or F-E-M-A are easier to spell, and it isn’t what Linda wants to believe, so it can’t be fact, but……………………
    http://www.radioblogger.com/

  • Angelos

    Why didn’t these lazy bastards get themsleves out of town! F-ers.

  • Linda Edwards

    It’s not a matter of what I want to believe Kat. Here it is … again … in black and white.

    http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_682_4524,00.html

    Hurricane Katrina: Why is the Red Cross not in New Orleans?

    “Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

    The state Homeland Security Department had requested–and continues to request–that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.

    The Red Cross has been meeting the needs of thousands of New Orleans residents in some 90 shelters throughout the state of Louisiana and elsewhere since before landfall. All told, the Red Cross is today operating 149 shelters for almost 93,000 residents.

    The Red Cross shares the nation’s anguish over the worsening situation inside the city. We will continue to work under the direction of the military, state and local authorities and to focus all our efforts on our lifesaving mission of feeding and sheltering.

    The Red Cross does not conduct search and rescue operations. We are an organization of civilian volunteers and cannot get relief aid into any location until the local authorities say it is safe and provide us with security and access.

    The original plan was to evacuate all the residents of New Orleans to safe places outside the city. With the hurricane bearing down, the city government decided to open a shelter of last resort in the Superdome downtown. We applaud this decision and believe it saved a significant number of lives.

    As the remaining people are evacuated from New Orleans, the most appropriate role for the Red Cross is to provide a safe place for people to stay and to see that their emergency needs are met. We are fully staffed and equipped to handle these individuals once they are evacuated.”

    And that’s a fact.

  • Robert Swaim

    Jersey Exile
    You are really off base on this one, I voted for Wes Clark in my state’s 04 primaries, that’s right a Democrat. I couldn’t bring myself to vote for Kerry because of a personal history that conflicted with everything he was about. My point in all my posts and in particular to Angelos is “Responsibility”, and without rehashing everything the bottom line is New Orleans and Lousiana electewd officials have failed across the board. When I read posts that apologize for their failures or attempt to divert the responsibility to others based solely on preconcieved political bias that makes me question the integrity of the poster. If you have “fact based” information on Brown or Chertoff”s failures – Post It – and let their heads roll. At he present I haven’t seen anything that places the primary responsibility for the debacle in New Orleans anywhere but squarely at the feet of Nagin and Blanco.
    BTW – You were a lot closer to being right about the New Orleans Police Dept. not showing up than I was, It wasn’t two thirds, but it was definitely too many.

  • Jennifer

    How many times I gotta tell you that all you’re doing is pissing off the people of Louisiana.

    You wanna know about failure? Let’s talk about 90,000 square miles of complete and total black out. No electricity, no phones, no cell towers, no water, no gas. Nothing, nada, but people stuck and dying.

    My mother told me on the phone that my cousin, a New Orleans city police officer, had to break into a resturant to get meat, then break into a Lowes to get a BBQ pit and they had to cook themselves something to eat because they hadn’t eaten in THREE days.

    The Chief of Police had NO communication with his officers. It was GONE. No way to direct them and no way to care for them. They’ve been out there trying to do their jobs with no food and no water. They’ve been forced to scrounge while still trying to maintain some semblence of order. They are as much victims as the poor people on the roof or at the Superdome or at the Convention Center.

    And if you look to the local newspapers: http:\www.nola.com and http:\http://2theadvocate.com/ you will see little finger pointing and nothing but support for the efforts of the local government.

    And you people, you don’t know what the HELL you are talking about. You have NO idea about the scope of this. Like Aaron Broussard said on Meet the Press, “Shut up and send us somebody!” Get off your fingerpointing asses and go HELP.

  • Mike

    Jennifer,

    Out of curiousity, where are you posting from? You said you are a native from New Orleans, but where are you now? I agree that this finger pointing blame game is pretty fickle and pointless (and I am not innocent in that regard), but I hate to tell you this, it’s going on everywhere now. Turn on the national news, listen to the talk radio shows, and that’s all you will hear. You’re going to have to take your criticisms to almost every blog on the internet because they’re all doing the same thing too.

    Why would you have more knowledge of the scope of this then say those of us who have been following all the news reports? Who does know what they are talking about?

  • Jennifer

    i live in Atlanta. But I have only lived here a couple of years. My entire family lives in or near New Orleans. My parents live in a river town called Lutcher. I’ve been calling in everyday, several times a day. My cousin is IN New Orleans working the streets. He reports in now as often as he can.

    My hometown has lots of people who are going in and around New Orleans trying to get communication, etc, online. You don’t hear about that in the media, all the work the locals are doing to assist the government and the volunteers. They’re telling stories about working on phone lines and seeing cars full of drowned families, caught in their cars trying to escape. They’re telling stories, mad as hell at FEMA. They’re seeing the barges of supplies waiting in the river (remember, my hometown is on the Mississippi River), etc.

    I’m here, spitting bombs I’m so mad because the people there CANNOT speak for themselves! My parents, while have electricity and phone do not have their internet. Lots of those people closest to the city cannot communicate on the internet right now, but they’re calling and they’re talking.

  • Angelos
  • Jennifer

    Look, the thing is, I’m 30 years old. I spent 28 of those year in Louisiana. I know it. I know New Orleans. I’ve been through hurricanes there. I know how it works, how it goes. I might live in Atlanta, but New Orleans is my home. I’m watching it die while assholes who don’t know jack about what is was like are blaming my governor and my mayor. A mayor who stayed in the city during the storm so that he could be at the pulse of the matter. And don’t act like the governor and the mayor didn’t ask the feds for help on freakin Friday.

    I’m not opposed to laying blame where it lay on its own, but now is not the time. I know you all think that now that most people are out of the city and the National Guard is there that it’s business as usual. Maybe it is for you, but that’s not how it is for the Gulf Coast.

    And comparing New Orleans to the other states hit??? And using the happy accident that Louisiana and New Orleans are the only ones with Democratic leadership to seperate the two different types of tragedies? Yes, the other states got scrubbed. But there is no standing water, festering with typhoid fever, rotting bodies, and what have you. None of that compounding the situation. For them, the worst is over. That’s not the story in New Orleans. And Democratic leadership had nothing to do with it. We’re talking DECADES of neglect by corrupt governors (thank you Edwin Edwards) and feds who’d rather spend money on I don’t care what than protect it’s own vagina, the mouth of the Mississippi.

  • Angelos

    Mississippi is just as much of a mess:

    http://nightlight.typepad.com/nightlight/2005/09/whats_so_fkin_g.html

    We keep hearing from the Republican excuse makers that the problems in New Orleans are the fault of its Mayor, and of Louisiana’s Governor. So how are things in their state, the one with a former GOP party chairman as Governor and two greasy insiders as Senators? Hint: not so great.

  • kat

    Linda–that is what I am saying–the STATE Homeland Security is denying access to the Red Cross–not Bush, but Blanco.
    {“Acess to New Orleans is controlled by the National Guard and local authorities and while we are in constant contact with them, we simply cannot enter New Orleans against their orders.

    The state Homeland Security Department had requested–and continues to request–that the American Red Cross not come back into New Orleans following the hurricane. Our presence would keep people from evacuating and encourage others to come into the city.}

  • Jennifer

    kat, you’re an ignorant. There is dysentery spreading throughout the city. It’s unsafe for the health of people to be there. It would be irresponsible to allow these people into the city. The Red Cross agrees. And now there are Red Cross stations rimming the perimeter of the disaster area (essentially) so that when the evacuees are removed from the city they can be immediately handed over.

    You don’t know what your’re talikng about and you’re using little bites of media to further your political agenda. You stink.

  • tyree

    Robert Says:

    September 6th, 2005 at 4:31 pm
    The administration says that they have to concentrate on the survivors and now is not the time for criticism. Wasn’t it criticism that eventually brought in the help?

    No, Robert.. the criticism brought no help at all, it only made things worse. The professionals and volunteers who responded before, during and after the hurricane were overwealmed by an area of devastation the size of Great Britain. Three to four days is the standard response time for much smaller disasters. When the history is written we shall see what it says, but the people who do the work were not sitting on their hands waiting for criticism to stir them into action. We need better organisation at the local, state and federal level, but if the Mississippi River levee broke we would be looking at a death toll that would rival that of the tsunami. No amount of planning can fix that after the fact.

  • tyree

    Angelos Says:

    September 7th, 2005 at 12:43 pm
    For those who would still like all the blame to be placed on the Democrats:

    Angelos…
    I think very few want to “blame Democrats”. Most reasonable people are upset that so much time and energy has been spent blaming anyone. We are upset that the MSM started blaming the Administration without informing their viewers of the local/state/federal chain of command when responding to natural disasters. There was a massive attempt to turn this into a big anti-Bush event. Read the history of the reponse to any disaster, it take three days, all the time. The media burned Clinton over the Northridge earthquake here in California. It took three days for the help to start arriving in massive quantities. As a country we used to respond to natural disasters by pulling together. Now we are letting the media and hate based politics pull us apart.

  • Jennifer

    tyree is correct. The nation needs to stop ignoring Louisiana’s senators asking for money to protect the delta and the coast. And this is NOT a state issue. This is a national one. It just happens to be located in one state. But if the River levee broke then the River would go through the Atchafalaya instead of New Orleans, washing away entire cities, killing as many as we saw in Indonesia, etc. And there’d be no taking it back.

    This failure in New Orleans is NOT Blanco’s fault and NOT Nagin’s fault and it’s not even Bush’s fault. Its the fault of DECADES of neglect by the federal government and it’s failure to realize the national importance of the environment.

    Well, the alarm is going off, it’s time to wake up and go to school.

    i can’t tell you how mad I am. I know I’ve been blasting off but that doesn’t begin to describe how I feel.

    FYI, for info about the River and it’s impact if it changes course, which will happen if this warning from Katrina is not heeded:

    http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/08/29/005318.php

    http://www2.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/oldriver.htm

    http://users.stlcc.edu/jangert/oldriver/oldriver.html

  • Mike

    Jennifer, you are starting to comment like every other person in here. You are speaking in half-truths and not giving the whole picture.

    I recommend you seek today’s edition of the Washington Post and look at the article about the pork barrell spending by the state of LA. They are hardly free from criticism for the failure to fund the levees, they had the money, they just spent it elsewhere.

    And I agree with you, Tyree is right. Maybe you should reread both his posts and stop defending your LA government at all costs.

  • Jennifer

    Mike, all I hear is know it all crap out of the mouths of people who don’t know what they’re talking about, regarding the disaster, etc.

    Right, I addressed the issues of Louisiana’s corruption (how many times have I mentioned Edwin Edwards name?) and how the state AND the nation ignored the problem. It has only been recently, through the efforts of the media (the Times Picayune) and the young batch of Senators that serious attention has been given to the wetlands.

    And are you kidding about that article. There are some gross misrepresentations in there. Talking about unrelated wetland projects. That’s bullshit. They’re all related to saving the wetlands! Not all are aimed at protecting commerce. Many are aimed at saving the thousands of acres of land lost to the Gulf each year. That’s not freakin pork.

    The political bias of the Post notwithstanding, there wasn’t anything in that article that suggested something bad was happening. What you need to realize is the problem is way bigger than that. Did you even check out the links I posted? They’re not political in nature.

  • kat

    Jennifer, you are an asshole and not worth a reply. I got done with kindergartners years ago. Go play.

  • Jennifer

    Right, kat, like the phrase “I got done with kindergartners years ago. Go play.” is an adult thing to say.

    At least I’m saying something instead of using this tragedy to further my personal political agenda. At least MY CONCERN is about my city.
    And you have the nerve to call ME an asshole.

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