Search me

Yesterday, when I came down to the PATH station, I saw cops performing their random searches. I wasn’t picked. But I walked up to a couple of them and said, “I don’t know whether you’re getting crap for doing this but I’m glad you are.” They nodded thanks.

Well, it turns out, they’re not getting crap. They’re getting volunteers.

  • http://geistbear.blogware.com Thomas

    When did NY Post start registration to read their articles?

    Anyone have a public registration for the site?

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  • Tony

    Sounds like a surefire way of making an already legally-tenuous act even more constitutionally dangerous. Citizens searching other citizens as de facto state agents…..

  • John

    Proximity to one of the actul events that has caused these increased security measures tends to sharpen the mind. People who use to commute to the old WTC station, and remember the 18-month period when they had to get off at Christopher or Ninth streets and then walk or take another train south to lower Manhattan know the consequences of security failures. So they're likely to be more cooperative than those who never had to deal directly with the after-effects of Sept. 11 on their daily commute.

  • HA

    This ranks with the color-coded terror rainbow alerts system as one of the most blatant examples of ass-covering bureacrats trying to create the impression that they are doing SOMETHING, ANYTHING to protect us from terrorism by engaging in useless gestures.

    Let's state this unalterable fact: random searches will not prevent a single terrorist attack. After Mary the 80 year old white christian granny from Kansas gets her groceries searched, Mohammed the 25 year old western educated arab muslim male from Cairo, and Ali the 30 year old western educated Pakistini muslim male from Karachi will waltz through the queue with their bombs, secure in their ACLU protections against religious/ethnic profiling.

    What a pathetic joke. I'd feel safer if ALL American citizens were allowed to carry concealed firearms on all public transit. At least that way, when Mohammed and Ali start fiddling with their bags, they can be successfully subdued by other passengers.

    The terrorist threat comes from Muslims of primarily Arab and Pakistani descent. They are the ones we must inspect. Anything else is ass-covering.

  • http://www.bloggers4freedom.com Kay

    Check out "A Time to Profile" here: http://www.petitiononline.com/profiler/petition.h

  • HA

    Here's a NY Post article on profile that contains a bone-chilling example of the sheer barbarism we are facing:

    http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/

    Screening and random searches would not have averted the tragedy that profiling stopped on April 17, 1986. Anne-Marie Murphy, a pregnant Irish woman, was traveling alone to Israel to meet her fiancé's parents. Her bags went through an X-ray machine without problems, and she and her passport appeared otherwise unremarkable.

    You multi-cultural types may be thinking "wait a minute, HA – you racist xenophobe – pregnant Irish women don't fit your profile." Well, read on:

    But in a perfect example of the complexity of profiling, a pregnant woman traveling alone roused the suspicions of security officials. They inspected her bags more closely and discovered a sheet of Semtex explosives under a false bottom. Unbeknownst to Murphy, her fiancé, Nizar Hindawi, had intended to kill her and their unborn child along with the other passengers on the plane.

    Anybody care to guess Nizar's ethnic/religioius profile? This savage was even willing to blow up his pregnant fiance and their own unborn child.

  • kat

    They need to profile muslims, period. They need a national directory of muslims. Did you hear that the UN tried to condemn gutblowers but failed. Robert Spencer has the details.

    {U.N. Human Rights Commission meetingIslamic United Nations representatives blocked an attempt to have the world body condemn killing in the name of religion.

    The International Humanist and Ethical Union said it submitted the request to the U.N. Human Rights Commission in Geneva in response to moves by Islamic clerics to legitimize the current wave of terror attacks.

    IHEU representative David Littman tried to deliver a prepared text in the names of three international NGOs – the Association for World Education, the Association of World Citizens and the IHEU – but was blocked by the "heavy-handed intervention" of Islamic representatives of the panel.

    Littman said that after repeated interruptions, he was unable to complete his speech.

    The Muslims members said they saw the text as an attack on Islam.

    The IHEU argued Littman's speech was a report on recent critical comment on Islamist extremism by a number of notable Muslim writers.

    The intent was for the U.N. Human Rights Commission "to condemn calls to kill, to terrorize or to use violence in the name of God or any religion."

    The text referred to recent decisions by high-ranking Muslim clerics to confirm that those who carry out suicide bombings remain Muslims and cannot be treated as apostates.

    A Saudi cleric, for example, issued a fatwa saying that innocent Britons were a legitimate target for terrorist action. Also, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, dean of the College of Sharia and Islamic Studies at Qatar University, who has visited Britain, said terror attacks are permissible.

    Roy Brown, president of IHEU, said the censorship is "part and parcel of the refusal by the Islamic representatives at the U.N. to condemn the suicide bombers, or to accept any criticism of those who kill innocent people in the name of God." }

    {This savage was even willing to blow up his pregnant fiance and their own unborn child.} Well, she had likely dishonored him by getting pregnant. They kill pregnant girls all the time–it's a culture thing.

  • http://www.drcookie.blogspot.com JennyD

    Jeff, what I find a little odd is that people I know and read about seem pretty sanguine about the searches. Everyone complains about airport security, but when offered the alternative of no secruity, they would prefer what we have.

    But newspapers seem to be quite concerned that our civil liberties are being breached.

    I wonder who decides what our civil liberties are, citizens or media? If it is citizens, should media reflect the majority view, or put forth the minority view? Or should newspapers declare their bias and then let me decide? Or maybe allow for the rise of papers with alternative points of view?

    I think this is a perfect example of where media bias should be outfront, and citizens should be able to decide.

  • Gunther

    Kat says:

    "They need to profile muslims, period. They need a national directory of muslims."

    Exactly the kind of racist, zenophobic drivel I've come to expect from commenters at this site.

    "HA":

    "The terrorist threat comes from Muslims of primarily Arab and Pakistani descent. They are the ones we must inspect. Anything else is ass-covering. "

    The eight bombers from the two London attacks included people from Somalia and Jamaica. If you'd actually read the papers, you'd know this. But why let facts get in the way of an uninformed racist rant?

  • Angelos

    They should profile all the jobless freaks that stand in front of Planned Parenthood offices. Oh, wait, they're good christians. And white. Never mind.

  • penny

    Bloomberg will have the Islamic gutblower's endorsement in his next election. From today's NYT's:

    "IN response to the serial subway bombings in London, Mayor Michael Bloomberg prudently ordered the police to start searching the bags of New York's subway riders. But there will be absolutely no profiling, Mr. Bloomberg vowed: the police will select one out of every five passengers to search, and they will do so at random, without regard for race or religion."

    "In that case, the security move is doomed to fail."

    What a waste of precious police resources. PC loonacy endangers us all.

  • http://www.hespos.com Tom Hespos

    Jeff, we're you glad they were doing the searches or glad they were taking crap for it? That was somewhat unclear with the way your post was worded.

  • http://www.havecoffeewillwrite.com Jeff Hess

    Shalom Y'all,

    Please tell me that Mayor Bloomberg didn't announce that:

    …police will select one out of every five passengers to search, and they will do so at random, without regard for race or religion.

    So, would be bombers simple enter the transit system in a pack of five, make sure that the bombs are in the middle and push a clean confederate to the head of the pack.

    Sure it would take a little jostling, but after a few practice runs, I 'm sure they could get it down right and slip right through.

    Folks, profiling and searches won't do it. They're only cosmetic solutions and the people in charge know it.

    B'shalom,

    Jeff Hess

  • kat

    Remember why the 20th gutblower missed his flight– due to profiling. Also those other 19 pieces of garbage all looked alike. Had they properly searched arabs that day, 3000 innocents would be alive.

  • Dak

    Hypothetically, say there is a large number of failing brake systems amongst Ford vehicles. Do they waste time and valuable resources recalling Chevy's and Chryslers or do they recall all Fords? (Even though there are occasional brake failures on ALL cars?)

    It's the Islamic belief system behind the terroristic acts, and every one of them needs to be inspected, and sent back to the "factory" (country of origin) or brought to justice, if found faulty.

    Duh.

  • NameWithheld

    It's rather simple, racial profiling won't work since they will only use that to their advantage by never using Arabs for their next big attack.

    Random searching won't work since the net will be way too large since we can't search enough people to actually make it worthwhile.

    And don't get me started about religious profiling… How exactly are you going to do that? By forcing them to eat pork and watch their reaction and if they don't seem to like it brand them?

    The only thing that will work is more intelligence. We need to stop them long before they have entered the subway station.

    But I'm guessing the right wing religious freaks like Kat will be happy as long as we harass every Arab. I'm not so sure that Jesus would have loved it though, but I'm guessing we all got eternity to find out his view on this matter…

  • Yehuda Cohn

    It appears that random searches and racial profiling are roundly embraced by most here. So if random searches and racial profiling are "good" and necessary to combat terrorism, then it should be expanded to other areas that wreak tremendous human loss or societal costs on our country — for instance, gun control, drunken driving, corporate and government corruption, and tax evasion.

  • http://www.mostlymuppet.com/ Seth

    If you're willing to cooperate and volunteer, good deal.

    If you're going to refuse the search, do it right: http://www.flexyourrights.org/subway/

  • penny

    "It’s rather simple, racial profiling won’t work since they will only use that to their advantage by never using Arabs for their next big attack."

    So how many Swedes do you think they can recruit in enough numbers? They've been at this for decades and I don't see that many proxies at work for them. Padilla and Reid standout because, I have to think, finding that many Mexican and Jamaican/British suicidal goofballs that just happen to be Muslim is a hard task for them.

  • Dmac

    Here's a question for everyone: how has Israel, a country that's been surrounded by enemies on all sides actively trying to destroy them, survived all these years? By using profiling and undercover techniques, along with the more obvious methods. As to the thinking that the terrorists will simply switch to non – Arabic people to carry out the attacks, they've been actively trying to recruit that type of person for awhile now, but with limited success (Richard Reid and John Walker Lindh being notable exceptions).

  • NameWithheld

    Penny, two of the suicide bombers identified in the 7/7 and the failed attack two weeks later weren't Arabic (that's 25% of them), so I'm guessing that they would have slipped through. The worlds largest islamic country is Indonesia, and they aren't Arabic. About the Swedes, I don't have a clue.

    But maybe you think that it would be ok if we only catch the Arabic terrorists? Personally I think we should catch all of them.

    Also it seems like the US is reacting to what Al-Qaida (or some other organisation) has done instead of trying to prevent their next attack. On 9/11 they attacked by hijacking airplanes so then the airport security got beefed up. Then on 7/7 three terrorists blew themselves up in the London underground so suddenly now the NY subway is going to be secured. (Not the busses though despite the fact that one terrorist blew himself up in a bus). For some reason it didn't seem to be necessary to do anything after 3/11. I'm guessing there has to be an attack on a nuclear power plant before they are going to get any better security….

  • Dak

    So out of thousands of suicide bombers, only TWO have been non-Arabic?

    So in my hypothetical case above, the Fords (Muslims) with the bad brake system (radical Islamic ties) aren't all checked out in time enough to prevent a huge loss of life. BECAUSE, we wanted to be "fair" and not single them out. So we spend the limited resources recalling (searching) the same numbers of hypothetical Chevy's and Chryslers that had only a few gutblowers..er, I mean brake failures.

    We put loyal Japanese folks in compounds in the wartime, without doing the same to the general population.

    We didn't have a fraction of the reasons to do that such as we have to do so to Middle Easterners here, the radicals of which are attacking us from OUR OWN SOIL. And, we aren't supposed to single them out for questioning and search unless the GENERAL POPULATION is treated the same way?

    Krushchev would have wanted to live to see these times. He said "we will be buried from within",

    ….and political correctness is no doubt the vehicle.

    Count on it.

  • Dak

    But maybe you think that it would be ok if we only catch the Arabic terrorists? Personally I think we should catch all of them.

    Certainly 75% is a good start!

  • NameWithheld

    Dak, 75% isn't a good start if the remain 25% are carrying dirty bombs. And the fact is unless you actually are going to put a police officers at every stop to check everyone who looks like a Arab we aren't going to catch the 75% either. And I'm guessing every bus should have a police man too that checks every Arab who wants to board?

    I'm guessing that in your head the idea of internment sounds better and better, but after you intern every muslim in the US where are we going to get our oil? But I'm guessing you want to intern every muslim in the Middle East too.

  • Dak

    "Defeat jihad in America by removing the jihadists from America. "

    Five steps by which this can be accomplished: (The full version can be found at :

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle…. scroll down)

    1. End all mass immigration of Moslems into the United States, whether from Moslem countries or elsewhere. Moslems would only be admitted on a selective, individual basis, not on the basis of being part of a national quota, and not on the basis of having extended family members already in the U.S., as is now the case. Rather than admitting mass numbers of Moslems every year for no reason except their wish to come here, we would only admit individuals who had some particular and legitimate connection to America, such as business people, diplomats, spouses of Americans, and so on.

    2. Deport all Moslem illegal aliens. Serious enforcement of existing laws, strengthened by a newly developed high-tech system that will enable authorities to know if visitors to the U.S. have overstayed their visas, will make it possible for the government to apprehend and deport a very substantial number of Moslem illegals.

    3. Deport all legal resident aliens with ties or loyalties to radical Islam. There would be no legal or moral problem in our doing this. Resident aliens are not citizens, and if it is necessary for our safety and security to terminate their resident status, we have the right to do so. Let us remember also that any serious Moslem is obligated by his religion to help spread Islam and Islamic law, Shariah; therefore no serious Moslem, even if he pays taxes and obeys the law, can be a truly loyal citizen of the United States. There is no reason for us to allow Islamic fundamentalists to remain in this country and become citizens. If we lack the will even to deport non-citizen Wahhabis and jihadis, then we might as well lie down and surrender to the global jihad right now.

    4. Remove the citizenship of and deport all naturalized and native-born citizens who are supporters of jihad. This is the most radical step of all, but it is justified by the same considerations discussed above. Islam obligates its adherents to live under Shariah, wherever they are and to wage holy war against non-Moslems, particularly Christians and Jews. Any serious Moslem must obey that law. True, the requirements are put in abeyance when circumstances dictate, as when a Moslem population in a non-Moslem society is small and weak and must avoid antagonizing the majority population. But as soon as the Moslems gain enough numbers to exert political influence, the command to live under Shariah—and ultimately to impose Shariah on the whole society through jihad—kicks in. The growth of Islam in America is thus an existential threat to us and our entire way of life. We have no obligation to harbor within our country people who are religiously committed to the destruction of our country.

    5. Publicly renounce and abjure multiculturalism as a societal philosophy. We must tell the world that we no longer consider ourselves equally open to all peoples and cultures in the world, that we are a Western society with a British-based, Protestant culture and a Judeo-Christian morality, and that we intend to remain so. Therefore no one should think of immigrating to or remaining in the United States unless he is prepared to make that culture his own.

  • Bradley

    Dak: Nations that define and glorify themselves by one religion, race and culture, to the exclusion of others, tend to have rather unhappy histories.

    Lawrence Auster's plan, which Dak links to, would keep out or expel all those undesirable elements that won't sign on to all his qualifications. That means Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, not to mention Irish Catholics and others. Presumably, these troublesome groups would be deported to the lands of their ancestors, although I'd like to see Auster's solution to the American Indian question. On second thought, I wouldn't.

    There's also that minor matter of the Constitution. Those multicultural Founding Fathers neglected to include provisions for the superior status of Protestant "culture", whatever that is, or Judaism or Christianity. They even forbade an establishment of religion. Then there's that pesky Equal Protection clause.

    Auster's rancid fantasy isn't going anywhere. Republican or Democratic leaders alike will condemn it — when they mention it at all — and it will die a deservedly ignominious death.

    In another article, Auster criticizes conservative writer Mark Steyn. Although Steyn's views are certainly vulnerable to rebuttal, Auster pointedly inquires into Steyn's nationality, ethnicity and religion, lamenting the popularity of Steyn's views among "today's rootless, democracy-mad American conservatives." (http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/003483.html)

    "Rootless"? There's also a rather unhappy history in using that word in connection with a preoccupation with ethnic and religious backgrounds. All that was missing was "cosmopolitan."

    Did Auster really mean to go there? Any readers have an innocent explanation of what he meant? Or will Auster himself clarify?

    ——————————————————-

    ". . . We must tell the world that we no longer consider ourselves equally open to all peoples and cultures in the world, that we are a Western society with a British-based, Protestant culture and a Judeo-Christian morality, and that we intend to remain so. Therefore no one should think of immigrating to or remaining in the United States unless he is prepared to make that culture his own. . ."

  • HA

    Gunther,

    The eight bombers from the two London attacks included people from Somalia and Jamaica. If you’d actually read the papers, you’d know this. But why let facts get in the way of an uninformed racist rant?

    Here come's the obligatory racism charge. You left out xenophobic, sexist, homophobic and whatever other bromide provides relief from your dissonance. Yada, Yada, Yada. BTW, smart guy, if YOU had read the papers, you would know that the terrorists were ALL MUSLIMS. Got it? 'Nuff said.

    Now that we've dismissed that non-argument with all the seriousness it deserves, let's get serious. By the time this PARTICULAR group of western raised young male muslims of predominantly Pakistani origin headed for the the tube, it was too late to stop them. Even if one of them just happened to get stopped by some miracle of planetary harmonics, the others would have gotten through while granny was getting searched.

    Muslim terrorists must be stopped before they are in the ACT of a terrorism operation. By then it is too late. They must identified before they conduct an operation and get removed from society. We must infiltrate their mosques, student groups, and advocacy groups, single out the terrorists leaders and then deport them if they are non-citizens or jail them for sedition and treason if they are citizens.

  • Dak

    Lawrence Auster’s plan, which Dak links to, would keep out or expel all those undesirable elements that won’t sign on to all his qualifications.

    Bull Honkey! He's not saying we must be one race and culture…he's not sayng immigrants can't practice their own, he's saying we have a right to practice OUR OWN!!!!

    ….which right now is still majorically the one we started with….a fact Islam has VOWED to change. There are Muslims within our country at this very minute who are willing to die to make that happen.

    This situation is beyond a mere "troublesome culture"

    Auster was talking about not allowing radical MUSLIMS (with their express purpose to kill or convert us as their culture) from using OUR multiculturism as THEIR cloak to get the job done. PERIOD

  • penny

    This situation is beyond a mere “troublesome culture”

    Amen to that!

    We're are talking about a Death Cult as savage as the Third Reich with a more expansive Final Solution list – all things not Muslim. Sorry, but if you are a young Arab/Muslim male on a plane or subway with me at this point in time you are suspect until proven otherwise. If your feelings are hurt, tough. Deal with it.

  • http://oodja.blogspot.com Jersey Exile

    Auster was talking about not allowing radical MUSLIMS (with their express purpose to kill or convert us as their culture) from using OUR multiculturism as THEIR cloak to get the job done. PERIOD.

    Now it's my turn to call bullhonkey. Auster and the folks over at FrontPage are no less radical than the zealots who are trying to kill us. They want a culture war just as much as radical Islam, but try as they might they'll never get it, because even the Bush Administration isn't so stupid as to alienate millions of potential Republican voters for the sake of a neoconservative fever dream. I may disagree with the President's invasion of Iraq, but on the home front he has done an admirable job in resisting the cries of Anglo-American fascists such as Auster to turn the War on Terror into a War on Islam.

    As for multiculturalism being the root of all evil (funny, I thought that was communism!) — I guess if you can conveniently forget the fact that the "multi-culti" Left has traditionally been decrying the abuses against women in the Islamic world for decades and was on Saddam's case way back in the 1980's when Republicans like Rumsfeld were happy to shake hands with the murderous bastard, then go ahead and knock yourself out. I have to say that this is the weakest strawman argument I've ever seen offered by the Right. You guys aren't even trying these days, are you?

  • Bradley

    Dak,

    You said THIS:

    "He’s not saying we must be one race and culture…he’s not sayng immigrants can’t practice their own, he’s saying we have a right to practice OUR OWN!!!!"

    which directly contradicts the article you quoted, which says THIS

    “. . . We must tell the world that we no longer consider ourselves equally open to all peoples and cultures in the world, . .”

    Perhaps you'd better tell Auster he didn't mean what he plainly wrote.

  • http://oodja.blogspot.com Jersey Exile

    Sorry, but if you are a young Arab/Muslim male on a plane or subway with me at this point in time you are suspect until proven otherwise. If your feelings are hurt, tough. Deal with it.

    You probably instinctively lock your car doors when you see an African-American male walking down the sidewalk, too. Guilty until proven otherwise, right?

    It must take a lot out of you to live in perpetual fear like you do.

  • http://oodja.blogspot.com Jersey Exile

    We must infiltrate their mosques, student groups, and advocacy groups, single out the terrorists leaders and then deport them if they are non-citizens or jail them for sedition and treason if they are citizens.

    I agree 100%. But ethnic profiling as practiced in America isn't going to do diddly-squat to help us in this regard. Israeli-style profiling is a different matter altogether, but no one is suggesting we adopt this method because it is expensive and time-consuming. Never mind of course that it actually works.

    Instead we're left with the idiot dichotomy of pointless random searches vs. searching anyone who makes the likes of Penny feel uncomfortable. Neither will make us safer.

  • Dak

    Bradley…"equally open to all peoples and cultures in the world, . .”

    Right…NOT equally open to cultures whose intention is to kill us.

    EXACTLY!

  • Dak

    "You probably instinctively lock your car doors when you see an African-American male walking down the sidewalk, too. "

    If I am in a high crime area yes! Why? A 68% of African-American males in the median age group, have a criminal record. So in a high crime area, the probability is 68% that young African American male approaching you has a criminal record.

    Not as many folks would lock the doors over an African American female approaching. Why? I guess the reality is not 68%, – thus a different perception.

    Even Jesse Jackson once made the comment, that at an ATM machine he was more nervous when African-American males approached than caucasians.

    Perception is based on realities. When the actual history changes, eventually the perception will. Perception is slow to die. But when criminal history stops and the behaviour of a group is in reality as safe as any other group…eventually the perception catches up…albeit very slowly once the reputation is established.

    Right now, the reality matches.

    Self-preservation is not evil. Murderous behavior is.

  • Dak

    P.S. In a low crime area…where the reality is that African American male is not likely to be one of the 68%…..few would be nervous enough at his approach to lock the car doors.

    Perception follows reality, however slowly.

  • Bradley

    Dak,

    "Islam is peace," said a very influential member of the dangerous multicultural movement:

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/2

    "These acts of violence against innocents violate the fundamental tenets of the Islamic faith. And it's important for my fellow Americans to understand that.

    "The English translation is not as eloquent as the original Arabic, but let me quote from the Koran, itself: In the long run, evil in the extreme will be the end of those who do evil. For that they rejected the signs of Allah and held them up to ridicule.

    "The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war.

    "When we think of Islam we think of a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world. Billions of people find comfort and solace and peace. And that's made brothers and sisters out of every race — out of every race.

    "America counts millions of Muslims amongst our citizens, and Muslims make an incredibly valuable contribution to our country. Muslims are doctors, lawyers, law professors, members of the military, entrepreneurs, shopkeepers, moms and dads. And they need to be treated with respect. In our anger and emotion, our fellow Americans must treat each other with respect."

    Amen.

  • http://oodja.blogspot.com Jersey Exile

    Bradley,

    Well said. The Bush Administration genuinely deserves credit here in not surrendering to the paranoid fantasies of the Right Wing's culture warrior wannabes in demonizing Islam itself.

  • Dak

    Gee it took them a long long time, and much much bloodshed to finally say something…and still not many are saying it.

    Perhaps, because true Muslims become apostates according to Islam, when they speak out like that.

    They are allowed to put it aside to serve the larger end…but only for that.

    They've told us over and over what the larger end is. It's in their scriptures that their largest obligation is to convert or kill.

    Another said it better:

    "What we call “good” Muslims are actually hypocrites to their religion. Those who claim peace, equality, human rights, are denouncing their religion with those statements. Those who kill non-believers, they are the true Muslims.

    some scriptures about this:
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/Announcement/MuslimGu

    And Auster addresses it:

    "the requirements are put in abeyance when circumstances dictate, as when a Moslem population in a non-Moslem society is small and weak and must avoid antagonizing the majority population. But as soon as the Moslems gain enough numbers to exert political influence, the command to live under Shariah—and ultimately to impose Shariah on the whole society through jihad—kicks in."

  • http://oodja.blogspot.com Jersey Exile

    Dak,

    Dare I ask where you got this statistic from?

  • http://oodja.blogspot.com Jersey Exile

    Can we please have a moratorium on quotes from the faithfreedom.org domain which supposedly "prove" the inherent wickedness of Islam? Why not ask the Aryan Brotherhood about Judaism or American Atheists about Christianity while we're at it.

  • Dak

    The REALITY of Islam's culture – conquer or kill – needs no help in the demonization department. Muslim words and actions loudly teach exactly what it is. It says: if you are Muslim you are either an apostate or a jihadst. It doesn't give a third choice. When and if called upon, a Muslim MUST make that choice. And then he must kill or be killed.

    It's the very basis of the Islam religion.

  • Dak

    JE…faithfreedom.org isn't making up the Islamic Scriptures.

    It's educating the world – letting everyone know about them. Even some folks born Muslim don't realize their thinking make them apostate.

  • Bradley

    So Dak, do you agree with this quote from faithfreedom.org?:

    "I agree the Bible recounts of terrible acts of violence committed by Moses and Joshua and most religions have violence associated in their annals. I am not a religious person and do not support any one of them. Even though not all of the religions call for killing the disbelievers like Islam does, they are all the cause of disunity and much bloodshed amongst the humankind. We have to get rid of them all."

  • Dak

    Bradley – It's not my opinion to get rid of anyone's religion.

    Nor do I think anyone should be the target of deadly force from someone else's.

  • penny

    DAk, you must be new in town. Your posts are thoughtfully articulated. Every board has its trolls to feed – those out of the woodwork types that ruin threads with their little games.

    It’s fun for them. Sometimes they add personas. Feed them if you’ve got time and grey matter to waste.

  • Eileen

    Penny,

    I’m just curious. Why do you continuously try to shut up the Daks and Kats and mes of the world in this forum, who speak out against Islamofascism, by suggesting we’re ‘feeding trolls’? Why don’t you think the anti-terrorists should speak?

  • penny

    Eileen, I’m sick of seeing every thread ruined by the same person who arises like Dracula with the same redundant circular fact challenged dribble over and over again – and when called on it just keeps blathering on. The same person whose smarmy personal attacks(remember his unflattering speculation that you shop at Walmart?) should have long ago stopped people engaging with him/her.

    I speak out against the Islamofascists as much as you do. And I’d be glad to debate cordially an opposite point of view. When threads become 100+ comments of endless engagement with this person the quality of all comments gets degraded. Pretty soon no one is interested.

  • Eileen

    I am also sick of the lies, Penny. The entity’s point is to spread misinformation about Islam. Dracula may be more than one taqiyya plant in this forum or simply go by many names. For example, the entity ‘chris’ is the one who made the Walmart comment. He got killed off thanks to Kat.

    Penny, this has been going on for many months – since long before I remember you posting here. Dracula would dearly LOVE IT if Dak, Kat, you, I and others simply stopped posting any truths about Islam. I don’t think we’re willing to acquiesce in allowing their lies to be spread far and wide while they attempt to shut us up. Notice the attack frenzy usually begins when one of us gives a basic fact about Islam or Islamofascism. Either the source for the fact or the messenger is then derided and ridiculed, often with a ruthlessness which illustrates their propensity for chopping off the head of anyone who doesn’t buy the sharia line. The aim is to discredit the messenger and shut him or her up. By suggesting the anti-terror posters NOT respond to Dracula’s lies, you are inadvertently doing their bidding as that is EXACTLY what they want to achieve.

    Dracula is going to foam at the mouth whether anyone corrects its taqiyya talking points or not. Inasmuch as ‘many’ are only newly becoming educated about the truths regarding Islamofascism – hell, we don’t even hear about it in the MSM yet – some of us don’t feel it’s wise to allow Dracula’s taqiyya trash to be spewed incessently and without contradiction. The trash needs to be rooted out and identified.

  • penny

    For example, the entity ‘chris’ is the one who made the Walmart comment. He got killed off thanks to Kat.

    “chris”? I had forgotten that spawn of Dracula. I don’t think chris died though. More of a had a make-over.

  • Eileen

    Right you are. And btw, Dracula as a ‘tag’ works quite well.

    The more one becomes educated regarding Islamofascism and taqiyya, the more transparent the spawn become. For example, if a blood entity calls you a rascist, an Islamophobe or a host of other derogatory names, discredits your source authority, misrepresents and obfuscates your words, deflects to a protracted off-topic GWB or Iraq diatribe, immediately launches into a religious moral equivalency argument or the like, you pretty much know what you’re dealing with.

    Dracula is so brainwashed by Islam into thinking it’s ‘superior’ to the infidels it forgets the gig is up. It must be getting ever more and more desperate to drink more blood. Fortunately, the world is doing a VERY good job of tracking the non-human trash down and bringing them to justice.

    Side note. I pray that the British spawn aren’t planning attacks every two weeks. 7/7…7/21… May we find the sub-humans and their supporters before they further prove their proficiency at barbarism.

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