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Dave Winer on professional reporters: “They take longer to get it wronger.”

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: Dave Winer on professional reporters: “They take longer to get it wronger.”

  • penny

    “They take longer to get it wronger.”
    And with a paid research staff and editors to boot!

  • APF

    Paid, but not necessarily well? And from the stories I’ve heard from friends doing that work, probably treated even worse. It’s a shame: since they don’t have the advantage of speed of reporting over blogs, cable news, etc, at the very least they should prioritize accuracy, and respect the pople whose jobs it is to ensure that accuracy?

  • http://tomwatson.typepad.com Tom Watson

    The aptly-monikered Mr. Winer is full of shit. And it’s poor of you to link to this tripe. Journalism despite its faults, remains a proud profession.

  • penny

    You wish, Tom. It’s hardly a profession as in a body of knowledge unique unto itself. It’s a commercial product. At best, a craft. One need not have formal training either. The best journalists didn’t.
    Are you proud of Jason Blair, Dan of the “Fake, but Accurate Memos” Rather, Eason Jordan’s weasily behavior at Davo, the abuse of unnamed sources, the blatant biases, the arrogant lack of transparency, the dumbed down content?
    The public perception of journalistic ethics are at an all time low. Newspaper circulations are declining. Where have you been?
    If you are in journalism it is ironic that “fair and balanced” is missing in your indignation….“poor of you to link to this tripe”…with Jeff for linking to a negative opinion.

  • http://tomwatson.typepad.com Tom Watson

    Medicine and the law aren’t professions either: they’re government sanctioned and licensed monopolies.
    Newspaper circulations are declining…have you checked that figure WORLDWIDE….ah yes, the ugly American strikes again!
    Big media has never been bigger globally, and it continues to grow. I love citizens media, but the idea it’s replacing big media is loony tunes.
    And yes, there are many great journalists. Jarvis included (he’s a pro’s pro and has made his entire career in big media).

  • penny

    Define Big Media? The shallow tripe that CNN and many weekly news periodicals panders?
    Big Media may be getting bigger, but the quality is getting worse. It’s becoming the white noise in the background that no one really pays much attention to anymore.

  • http://tomwatson.typepad.com Tom Watson

    You mean CNN and Fox, don’t ye, Pennster?
    Generally, i think you’re wrong: while cable “news” may generally be tripe – with Fox at the bottom – the rest of organized journalism and media is at its greatest state ever.
    Oh, and read this:
    The circulation of newspapers in the world increased strongly last year, the World Association of Newspapers announced today.
    At the same time, newspaper advertising revenues made significant gains.
    WAN said that global newspaper sales were up 2.1 percent over the year. Unlike previous years, growth was not only driven by gains in developing markets, but increases in sales in many mature markets.
    “It has been an extraordinarily positive 12 months for the global newspaper industry,” said Timothy Balding, Director General of the Paris-based WAN. “We have come to expect big circulation gains in developing countries, but it has been a very long time since we saw such a revival in so many mature markets. Newspapers are clearly undergoing a renaissance through new products, new formats, new titles, new editorial approaches, better distribution and better marketing.”

  • penny

    So there is a bigger demand for fish wrap in the Third World, what can I say, Tomster!

  • S

    It’s really quite fitting the NYT has so many Pulitzer Prizes.

  • http://tomwatson.typepad.com Tom Watson

    The NYT, for all its faults, is the greatest American newspaper.
    Fishwrap indeed, but not till the day after – the day of, people read. And thank God – because it’s all about the spread of democracy, Pennywise!

  • http://www.allyourtv.com Rick Ellis

    Okay, I hesitate to wade into this snark-fest, but Winer is doing what he does best. Make some generalized, over-blown comment to try and stir the pot.
    But to be kind, his post is idiotic. It’s as dumb to say all journalists get it wrong as it is to say all bloggers are troubled loners with lots of spare time.
    I do both, and I see the positives and negatives of both. Neither traditional journalism or blogging are the answer to everything.
    And frankly, I’m weary of the constant “whose is bigger” comments from both sides.

  • http://reason.com Matt Welch

    Dave Winer — Takes quicker to act like a dicker!