Bad taste award

Bad taste award

: FinkTank3000 discovers that the American Family Association puts up Terri Schaivo merchandise. Get your bumperstickers: “Remember Terri Schaivo. www.stopliberaljudges.com”.

Oh, and by the way, if the judges strictly interpreted law and supported state’s rights, what makes them liberal?

  • http://paxety.com/Articles/blog Juan Paxety

    What the anti-judge crowd either doesn’t know or refuses to acknowledge is that Florida law was changed by the legislature, and signed by Gov. Bush in 1999, so that nutrition and hydration are considered “life-prolonging procedures” and are subject to possible withdrawal. If you have a complaint with Terri’s situation, and I do, the culprit is the poorly worded statute – not Judge Greer. Everyone being fed, feeding tube or otherwise, in Florida is in potential danger so long as this statute remains as is.

  • Gunther

    How foolish of you. The judges are liberal because they didn’t produce the result that the whackos wanted.
    And Juan, what is your point? that “life-prolonging procedures” should not be withdrawn under any circumstances? And if it’s OK to withdraw them in some case, what would qualify? What if it’s what the patient wishes?

  • http://dfriedman.typepad.com Dave

    A couple of points:
    (1) most of the judges in this case were appointed by Republicans; therefore, claims about liberal judges seem misplaced if not ignorant.
    (2) Nutrition and hydration can be withdrawn from patients subject to a 1990 Supreme Court decision, Cruzan. Florida’s law just codified what had been established precedent for nine years. Neither the statute nor Judge Greer has anything to do with the fact that the Supreme Court has ruled this is a permissible way to die.

  • EverKarl

    Again with the relentless assault on Democrats! What am I going to do with you? I may just have to make a bigger banner, demanding that you resign from the VMSMC!
    But it’s almost time for a tasty BBQ sandwich. So maybe later.

  • http://duneview.blogspot.com/ Duneview

    “Oh, and by the way, if the judges strictly interpreted law and supported state’s rights, what makes them liberal?”

    And I can easily see Jesse Jackson holding up a sign that says: “Remember Terri Schiavo. Stop Conservative Judges.” They are not mutually exclusive.

    Some (you?) are desperate to maintain this as a political issue, but pols from both sides of the aisle have supported both sides of this family squabble. If your point is this bumper sticker is hypocritical, there seems to be enough of that going around to satisfy everyone.

    This transcends party politics (or should) and speaks to deeper issues, like life and death. Let’s have that discussion.

    The current approach of Bush bashing or mocking the Schindler family and their supporters doesn’t get us anywhere.

  • billg

    It won’t fit on a bumper sticker, but what they’re really saying is: Stop Judges Who Won’t Let Us Ignore The Law and Force You To Act Like We Think You Should Act.
    This is shorter: Stop Judges Who Won’t Let Us Impose Our Bigotry On The Country

  • C Millsap

    The Republican party just can’t quit flip-floppin – 1st “W” passes a law that pulls the tube from a baby in TX and now he and his brother use this case as a political ploy to pander to the religious right keeping Terri alive. Too what avail, I ask. Where’s the quality of life and where the hell are the president and the congress when it comes to OUR health care? On vacation..where else.

  • ED Beckmann

    Jeff
    You ask how a Judge could be a liberal? Wow even I know the answere to that one. Because hey won’t bow to their intimadition. I just heard the pope sent out a Cardinal to claime Mrs. Shaivo was MURDERED. A few centuries ago there would have been a call for a new Crusade against the Americas to gather up all those un-Godly liberals and burn them at the stake. Those Pope boys are loosing it, really.

  • Scott

    Far worse than selling bumper stickers: the Schiavo parents have sold the private information of those who financially supported them to a conservative marketing company. What possible reason would they have for doing this? I guess they could argue they have to cover the legal costs of this case, but isn’t that what the donations collected are for?

  • http://hubris.typepad.com Hubris

    Scott,
    From my reading of that article, it appears that the Schindlers simply allowed the marketing firm to own and sell the info as part of their initial agreement to get the marketing firm to do their fundraising work for them. In other words, it seems it’s the marketing firm profiting from the sale of the info and it’s probably the result of a standard contractual clause.

  • http://erasend.blogspot.com kingdom

    Ever notice that if a decision, law, or whatever goes against what someone wants, regardless of what side of the issue fall on…its always “those damn liberals?”. Never hear “those damn conservatives.”
    And really, isn’t odd that this women is getting all this attention on tv today? You would think a leader or at least someone that contributed to society had died rather then some women that went brain dead because she was insecure and bulimic. She is a tragic story of how to not lose weight and now a law school report footnote, but thats all. She certainly doesn’t deserve the attention she is currently getting.

  • dave

    call and complain
    1-662 844-5036
    option 4
    SKU: TER50

  • http://redleg07.blogspot.com/ redleg

    Worst part about it is that Greer is a Republican. And a Southern Baptist.
    Do your research, people. Please.

  • Matthew Ryan

    “Never hear “those damn conservatives.” ”
    Guess you missed the 2000 Presidential election when Scalia ‘appointed’ Dubya. I recall one or two people being upset.

  • Cal

    I’m not interested in what is labeled “liberal” or “conservative” but what is right and what is wrong.
    And while the Judge Greer may be “upholding the law”, there are too many documented incidents of Michael Schiavo not always providing the best care for her, as well as many other allegations. So the problem lies in him retaining the legal guardianship. In terms of who would have provided her her basic human rights to the letter of the law it should have been the parents.
    So yes “life-prolonging procedures” should be removed at times. I did it for my own mother. But you better make sure that the guardian in place has that person’s inalienable rights secured–not denied.
    Cal

  • http://lawnrangers.blogspot.com Dignan

    Jeff,
    I just emailed them and told the AFA how horrified I am as a conservative evangelical that they would sell and promote such a terrible item. This is terribly exploitive and in such bad taste, regardless of what her parents may think. I would encourage all of your readers to email the AFA will similar sentiments.

  • http://www.newscracker.com greg

    http://www.newscracker.com
    They point out that the uage of morphine indicates terry schiavo was in pain from the starvation.Why do we rely on Michael Schiavos’ statement that terry wanted it that way?Michael possibly has his motives.

  • huey
  • Name Withheld

    huey, you are actually comparing cafepress stickers to stickers made by AFA? For all I know you could have made them by yourself.
    If you could find for instance ACLU or Moveon.org selling the same kind of stickers on their webpage then you could compare it to the AFA stickers.

  • http://RuthCalvo Ruth

    Are you sure Tom DeLay isn’t selling the same bumper stickers? After all he said she was a gift sent to spare him embarrassment.

  • huey

    Name withheld: I was just curious what else was out there. I know it is totally different in scale and impact. I was trying to compare the motivation behind cafepress stickers that people quick put up there for whim or financial gain and political ones that a group like AFA puts for sale online to raise awareness and money for their political goals. For some reason the ones just for money do not offend me the way the AFA ones do. Perhaps because they don’t supposedly represent 2 million members and come in bulk so that you can “Order enough to give one to each family in your church.” I can just picture someone in my church handing me one of these “Remember Terri” stickers. At least it looks like I’ll have “approximately 6 weeks” to figure out how to politely decline the sticker without getting into another argument at church.

  • Copper

    People sell their souls for a buck so we should not be surprised when people use others for their financial gain. It’s a sad situation and despicable for others to make money off someones tragedy. This poor woman should have been allowed to die with dignity and now she is being used for political, media, and monetary gains.

  • marthirial

    late to the party… merch junk is already wide spreaded,
    http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=464
    At least it doesn’t have a political/religious agenda, just the old, simple goal of profit.

  • Jim S

    Cal, you said “..there are too many documented incidents of Michael Schiavo not always providing the best care for her, as well as many other allegations.”. In reality there are NOT many documented incidents of Michael Schiavo not providing the best of care for her. Those are lies, in case you haven’t caught on yet. If there was anything to these claims they would have been cited by the Schindlers in at least some of their many court filings. They were not. They are the products of some of the most evil people in this whole thing, those who are more than willing to lie and demonize Michael Schiavo in order to provide a rationale for enforcing what they want. When actual investigation is done the results are entirely different.

  • Donna V.

    As Matthew Ryan said, I seem to recall plenty of liberal whining about judicial overreach in November 2000 (and for 4 long years thereafter). When Reno overruled the same Circuit Court that condemned Terri to death in order to make sure Elian got sent back to his Cuban paradise, I did not hear many Dems complaining about executive overreach. If this case wasn’t so tragic, I would also find it sourly amusing to hear liberals sounding like Jefferson Davis on State’s Rights.
    Hypocrisy? Plenty of it going around,folks,…,

  • Cal

    Hi Jim-
    According to Schindler lawyers, they have over 50 doctors testifying (over the years) to her condition and the care she received.
    With so many questions and doubts about what she wanted and what kind of care he was providing, I just thought it should have been more thoroughly looked into.

  • http://www.vaguespace.net Bill

    Donna V,
    I think when the Republicans went against all their conservative beliefs about limited federal government and states’ rights, that it is where the hypocrisy came from. The fact that Democrats who may have supported similar action in previous disputes came out against this does not at all undermine the extreme hypocrisy from the Right, who sold out their long-held fundamental beliefs apparently just to pander to religious conservatives. And I say this as a lifelong Republican, who is disgusted by their actions (and the words of Hannity, Rush, Fred Barnes, etc. who have railed against this exact type of action for years but are now on the other side).
    Regardless of the facts of the actual Schiavo case (which I don’t know enough about to state an opinion), the Republicans overreached here. And all conservatives know it.

  • A.W. of Freespeech.com

    What the federal judges did was not liberal activism, but it was activism nonetheless.
    First, there is no serious issue of states rights here. The state was taking the life of a human being, and the constitution makes it abundantly clear that when a state chooses to do that, the Federal Government has a right to intervene. The constitution is crystal clear on this. The federal courts routinely intervene in order to enforce an unwritten constitutional right, the right to an abortion. This, by contrast, is a specifically written constitutional right–the right to life–and yet bizarrely people claim that the federal government has no business in this area.
    Second, they did not follow the law, either. The law stated very specifically that the parents were entitled to de novo review. For non legal types, that means a new hearing, with new evidence allowed. Did the parents recieve that? Of course not. The law demanded, therefore, a stay. The judge should have ordered the food tube reinserted, and then held the hearing on an expedited basis.
    Nor is the fact that this jurisdiction is for them only a significant problem. There is only one provision of the constitution that regulates special regulation–the bill of attainder clause. That involves laws written that declare a person to be a criminal. The framers were frightened about people being convicted of crimes by this method. They were not concerned about SAVING a person’s life, liberty, etc. by this method. I challenge every person who claims this is unconstitutional for that reason (or any reason) to point to the specific words in the constitution that says that congress must act generally and not specifically. So far no one has.
    But this is not about liberalism, although it is activism. This is about the judicial branch of the U.S. annoyed that Congress and the President had the temerity to challenge the supremacy of judges. Never mind that this judge recieved campaign contributions from four of Mike Shiavo’s lawyers and should have stpped aside (of course Florida ethics rules don’t say that, but those rules are written by lawyers, so who should be surprised by that?). No, no, in the mind of the federal courts, a judge’s word is equivalent to God’s. What we have in this case is an arrogant judiciary and a public that forgot its civics lessons when it thinks that the judicial branch is the only one that gets to figure out what the law says. I hear too many people claim that whatever a judge says is the law, is the law, however clearly contrary it is to the constitution or statutes. That is ludicrous and slavish thinking.
    You want proof of how ludicrous that is? Tell me this. What law or constitutional provision changed between the Supreme Court declaring that segregation was legal (Plessy v. Fergusson) and when they declared it was illegal (Brown v. Bd. of Education). The answer is nothing changed. The only thing that changed was how the Supreme Court felt about segregation. Segregation was always illegal, and that period of time when the Supreme Court declared it was legal, was a time where the Supreme Court acted contrary to the law, because they didn’t like the law. And for the Supreme Court to disregard a constitutional amendment because they didn’t feel like enforcing it, should frighten every American.
    This case, Shiavo, was a due process travesty–a legalized murder. And don’t say to me that there were lots of appeals and therefore it had to be okay. Dredd Scott had lots of appeals. Did he get justice? Hell, was the law even followed? The answer to both questions were “no.” The death of Terri Shiavo was equally unjust and illegal.

  • Tongueboy

    If there was anything to these claims they would have been cited by the Schindlers in at least some of their many court filings.
    Which they did at the circuit court level, only to have Judge Greer systematically reject them. Yet, Michael Schiavo’s hearsay testimony about some off-handed conversation becomes holy writ in his eyes.

  • Tongueboy

    What the anti-judge crowd either doesn’t know or refuses to acknowledge is that Florida law was changed by the legislature, and signed by Gov. Bush in 1999, so that nutrition and hydration are considered “life-prolonging procedures” and are subject to possible withdrawal.
    That is not what Section 744.3215 of Florida Statute says (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0744/SEC3215.HTM&Title=->2004->Ch0744->Section%203215#0744.3215). Certain rights may be removed from a person determined to be incapacitated and delegated to a guardian. Unless my eyes are going bad, I do not see “withholding nutrition and hydration” on that list.

  • Tongueboy

    Yet, Michael Schiavo’s hearsay testimony about some off-handed conversation becomes holy writ in his eyes.
    Forgot to add: “in violation of Section 90.602 of Florida Statute (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=Ch0090/SEC602.HTM&Title=->2004->Ch0090->Section%20602#0090.602).”

  • Cathy Young

    Tongueboy says:
    Unless my eyes are going bad, I do not see “withholding nutrition and hydration” on that list.
    I suggest you check out the text of the 1999 bill which amended the law on the withholding of life-prolonging procedures:
    14 (9) “Life-prolonging procedure” means any medical procedure, treatment, or intervention, including artificially provided sustenance and hydration, which sustains, restores, or supplants a spontaneous vital function.

  • http://radamisto.blogspot.com Steve J.

    CAL:”there are too many documented incidents of Michael Schiavo not always providing the best care for her”
    There are precisely NO instances. Don’t believe the lying whores on Hannity, check out the 2003 Guardian Ad Litem report:
    http://jb-williams.com/ts-report-12-03.htm
    A REPORT TO GOVERNOR JEB BUSH AND THE 6TH JUDICIAL CIRCUIT IN THE MATTER OF THERESA MARIE SCHIAVO

  • http://radamisto.blogspot.com Steve J.

    A,W.:”Second, they did not follow the law, either. The law stated very specifically that the parents were entitled to de novo review. For non legal types, that means a new hearing, with new evidence allowed. Did the parents recieve that? Of course not.”
    LMAO – they did get a hearing and wanted a TRO based upon the fact that Terri did not get due process in the Florida court system. THAT automatically opened up the previous findings for the district judge.
    The pro-tube lawyers FAILED to show that there was a good chance they would win on appeal, so the TRO was denied. GOT IT?
    BTW, the opinion is available online. Too bad you didn’t care enough to read it.

  • Kat

    Well, if there are NO instances, then why hide the records?
    http://www.wluctv6.com/Global/story.asp?S=3155544
    (CLEARWATER, Fla. A Florida judge is keeping some records of investigations into Terri Schiavo’s treatment out of the hands of the media.
    The St. Petersburg Times wanted access to summaries from the state Department of Children and Families. The agency launched dozens of investigations into complaints that the brain-damaged woman was mistreated.
    Some were based on bone scans showing Schiavo suffered fractures. Others were based on statements she made to family and friends that she was unhappy in her marriage.
    Schiavo’s husband has denied harming her.
    Circuit Judge George Greer has denied the request — saying the records belong to D-C-F. He says Schiavo’s husband can have access to them, but they can’t be distributed publicly.)

  • http://www.advicegoddess.com Amy Alkon

    Cal, Michael Schiavo went to nursing school so he could better care for her. He turned down at least one offer of a million dollars if only he’d allow her parents to keep her alive in her current condition. The woman has been a human turnip for 15 years. Do you really think she’s going to jump out of bed and start talking? It’s only the quack doctors who think so. By the way, great piece in Reason, on the Schiavo case, Cathy Young (who posted just above). Recommended reading. I’ve read so much on the case, but I believe it was Cathy who pointed out how awful it was of Schiavo’s parents to disseminate the video of her. Here’s a woman who was quite concerned with her appearance (she was bulimic, remember?) and her parents throw her image to the international media for all to see. Once again, this is a case where religion and belief in god lead to a tragic fantasy. Forgive me if I don’t think atheists would harbor such delusions.

  • Kat

    Amy, you don’t have to be religious to believe that there is something wrong with starving a dog to death, let alone a human. Calling her a human turnip, makes you a human asshole.