On MSBNC

On MSBNC

: I’ll be on MSNBC with Ron Reagan, Monica Crowley, and Eric Alterman today at 12:30p ET (delayed by Condi) to talk about the Iraqi elections and blogs.

: LATER: Alterman spewed tin-hat insinuations about pro-American blogs in Iraq with absolutely no basis in fact, no journalistic justification whatsoever . I said he was being irresponsible. That’s the light version.

: MORE: As of now, I’ll be back on MSNBC this Sunday, covering blogs’ coverage of the Iraqi election from 6a-noon and again from 5-6p ET.

  • Richard

    Watching you right now.

  • Rob

    Congrats on your success of appearing on MSNBC.

  • http://airwave64.blogspot.com Frank

    Interesting accusation just made by Eric Alterman. I *wish* the CIA were behind my blog. I’d have a better template.
    And Ron Reagan added nothing to the segment except to admonish Jeff for calling Alterman’s accusations irresponsible. Which they were.

  • Shawn

    Yeah, Alterman is such a transparent goof.

  • Justin

    Jeff, you should have called Juan Cole pondscum on the air. And Alterman goes on my list of bloggers to never take seriously.

  • http://brianpatton.org/ Brian

    Just got through watching. I thought you did very well and made a lof sense. Alter still seems sore about the election. I wanted Kerry to win too, but he didn’t, so we need to move on. Keep up the good work.

  • Scott Harris

    I may have missed which Iraqi blogs the CIA is supporting: the pro-American, the anti-American, the indifferent-American? Or, is there a sort of equal opportunity thing going?
    The “irresponsible” charge was a little strong. The “tin hat” charge was spot on.

  • Ray

    Jeff, I would like to congratulate you on an excellent segment on MSNBC, I am sorry to see you matched up with an obvious choice-selection from the loony bin. I cant believe that he (Alterman) considers these terrorist to be

  • Ray

    Commands = Commends (sorry, typo)

  • AlanC

    Let’s see here….
    Monica, Eric, Ron, Jeff????
    Yep, Jeff’s the right wing token for balance. Um, does this say anything about the “center” in the perspective of MSNBC???
    Just askin’

  • http://bushout.blogspot.com gandhi
  • http://www.shanksvillememorial.com furious_a

    Other than at his father’s funeral, when has Ron Reagan ever added anything to any televised event?
    –furious

  • Del

    I missed it, but I’ll bet Monica’s hair and make-up was perfect. She often doesn’t know what the hell she’s talking about, but at least she looks good. :-D

  • Alison

    Wow – Alterman’s said that before, but I’m surprised he still says it. At a book signing my boyfriend hosted (early 2003) he talked with Alterman about the news he reads on the Internet (I think he was going to mention Alternet.org) when Alterman abrubtly cut in and said “oh no, you can’t trust ANYTHING you read on the Internet”.
    Another surprising thing – Alterman went out of his way to emphasize that Dennis Kucinich “was NOT a serious candidate” for the Dem. nomination and warned not to waste votes on him. I mean, it wasn’t like Kucinich was in danger of running away with the nomination, so why be a dick about things?
    The final straw for me was somebody introduced Alterman on a radio show as a writer and Alterman corrected her, he said “I’m not really a writer, I’m an intellectual. Writing is secondary”.

  • http://www.economicswithaface.com/weblog Peter

    The “irresponsible” comment was on spot. Alterman threw out an arbitrary statement and tried to get you to disprove it. He needs to brush up on basic logic, specifically that it is impossible to prove a negative.

  • Alison

    It’s Jarvis nation these days. I hear you in the morning on AA, flip on tv bdah! there you are, was it CNN? PBS? Can’t even remember, even heard you on the local Ronn Owens show sometime this week.
    Someone’s stock is rising, congratulations (even though I totally disagree with you much of the time)!

  • Angus Jung

    “Alterman threw out an arbitrary statement and tried to get you to disprove it.”
    Par for the course these days, isn’t it?

  • rastajenk

    Alterman’s blog on MSNBC was one of the first I read regularly when I first happened onto the “blogosphere” a couple years ago. But I stopped when I heard him say, in defense of his book about the not-so-liberal media, that the existence of a show on NPR about financial planning and other money matters proved that NPR didn’t have a liberal bias. As if only conservatives cared about such things! Ridiculous, unsupportable, and just plain stupid, especially coming from “an intellectual.”

  • Kevin

    Why is it that the mere mention of a CIA possibility drives you batsh*t? Look at the things that HAVE happened lately, and tell me anything’s not possible. Open your horizons a bit.

  • Kevin

    I mean, Condi Rice “Couldn’t imagine” terrorists would hijack planes and crash them into buildings. But others had, and obviously those on the “other side” certainly imagined it.
    Just because you’re NOT paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re not watching you.

  • http://tvh.rjwest.com HH

    Alterman’s dick-ish behavior is legendary… I well recall the Dennis Miller appearance too (though Miller should have taken the high road in response and apologized later).
    Alterman is a blogosphere skeptic (to say the least) who joined in when MSNBC waved some money in front of his face (he attacked blogs in at least one column a few years back). He’s what I call a “faux blogger.”

  • Linda

    After all the lies, deceptions, mismanagement we’ve experienced over this whole debacle in Iraq, I’m astounded that there are people out there that think the CIA/Bush couldn’t be behind something like this. Talk about naive! Frankly, if you think about it, isn’t that exactly kind of thing the CIA does? Isn’t that why they’re “covert”? This is nothing new. Geez guys, grow up. This is the real world.
    Regarding Alterman, I’ve been reading his blog for quite some time, and can honestly say I agree with about 90% of the things the man has to say. In my judgement, he’s articulate and well-reasoned. And he doesn’t shy away from confrontation. I saw Alterman once on Scarborough, and made a fool out of his opponent by exposing the fact that his debate opponent had spewed out a bunch a made-up figures to support his pro-war/pro-Bush views. Not surprisingly, I don’t believe Scarborough has asked Alterman back again.

  • ed

    Re: “I’m an intellectual”
    Alterman does have a point about this anti-intellectualism he sees in the media, and he is clearly trying to stick up for those who are proud to be knowledgeable. But I think they’d have a better shot at cleaning the title “intellectual” if he wasn’t such a dick about everything.

  • Grand Moff Texan

    No “journalistic justification”?
    Well that’s a relief.
    Look, you went off on him personally after he made a perfectly plausible suggestion.
    Why so touchy?

  • Frankjcapp

    I’ve been reading Alterman since he starte blogging, and can say that I am a fan. Most of his posits are at least based on some credible source and documented. His primary focus is the media itself, and their lack of aggressiveness in being the Fifth Estate. This current administration (and Congress) has gotten far to many free-passes from the media, and he regularly points out the shallow reporting the large-conglomerate media has performed.
    That being said, I find it incredulous that anyone alive and sentient during Iran-Contra, Watergate, and these last 18 months on the third rock would at least give some pause to the idea that the CIA or DOD might be blogging in the sphere!! Good grief — how naive can you be? IF our good government can sanction torture, murder, bombings, assasinations in order to bring “freedom and democracy” to this country, why would it be a “tin-hat” insinuation to SUGGEST this might be occuring?

  • Tony Blare

    Oh yeah, like it was Alterman who was the dick when he appeared on the Dennis Miller show. Miller acted like the pefect asshole that he was and is. Too bad for him that he did it to someone with a large and attentive readership.

  • http://bushout.blogspot.com gandhi

    Yeah, it was “conspiracy theory” when we said Bush & Co were lying and Saddam actually didn’t have any WMDs, remember?
    It’s “conspiracy theory” to say that Bush Senior was a CIA agent since 1960, even if he probably was.
    It’s “conspiracy theory” to say that Bush Snr was in the plot to kill JFK, even if countless govt investigations have never been able to explain it.
    It’s “conspiracy theory” to say that Bush Snr was behind the assassination attempt on Reagan when Bush was VP.
    It’s “conspiracy theory” to say that the Bush family has a close relatioship with the House of Saud, knew 9/11 was going to happen and did nothing about it (except a good coverup job afterwards).
    It’s “conspiracy theory” to say that the US government has been hijacked by corporate interests and is dragging the USA towards pure Fascism.
    It’s all “conspiracy theory” so don’t even think about any of it, OK?
    UNLESS it gets reported in the mainstream media. Then it’s OK to talk about it.

  • JABBER

    Let’s see…. The tin-foil hat crowd is telling us that the CIA, which has such a stellar track record of success the last few years, is covertly backing not just one but several “right-wing” sites through which to disseminate disinformation…
    The thing about conspiracy theories is that they ascribe far too much intelligence to the alledged conspirators than they deserve. But rather than simply acknowledge that — Lord, help us — some people have come to an honest decision to support the war effort, the LLL decides it MUST be a conspiracy, because NO ONE intelligent could POSSIBLY support the overthrow of a murderous thug who killed far more Iraqis in a typical two years than the US has while under fire from Moore’s Minutemen! Keep sticking your heads in the sand, folks, and believe Alterman the Intellectual while the rest of us get on with the business of dealing with the world as it really is.

  • Franky

    The more I think of it, the more inconceivable it is that the CIA is not supporting at least some blogs. They have a history funding sympathetic media. Now, given that the recipients of the money probably have no idea that the money is coming from the CIA, does that compromise their credibility? I don’t think so.

  • linda

    Yet no one finds Bush’s statement yesterday to be odd, that simply having an election in Iraq is a victory. The fact is that this cannot, by any reasonable measure or stretch of the extreme right’s very active imagination, be considered a legitimate or democratically representative election.
    They used to have those kinds of elections in Iraq before we invaded.
    And so the last “rationale” for invading Iraq goes by the wayside……

  • http://www.rjwest.com/blog RW

    It’s “conspiracy theory” to say that the Bush family has a close relatioship with the House of Saud, knew 9/11 was going to happen and did nothing about it (except a good coverup job afterwards).
    Not only is it a conspiracy theory, it’s the remarks of sheer lunacy.

  • http://bushout.blogspot.com gandhi

    Damn straight, Linda. Calling everything you dont like a “Conspiracy Theory” is a lot easier than trying to answer uncomfortable questions.
    For example, Condi Rice criticized Boxer for impugning her integrity, yet she never properly responded to Boxer’s criticisms that she KNEW her rationales for the invasion of Iraq were phony.
    Similarly, the Fadhil brothers at Iraq The Model and Free IRaqi call me a troll and ban me from their sites, yet they never answer my simple questions.
    We are the mad ones? Only in the Orwellian world Bush & Co want to create.

  • -asx-

    Let’s face it: It’s just too easy for the CIA to set up fake blogs for them NOT to be doing it. And we’ve all seen how the bush administration has put journalists on the payroll.
    It’s irresponsible to reject out of hand the possibility that the CIA is using blogs to advance their own agenda.
    It’s also getting old accusing people of endangering the lives of these bloggers. These bloggers lives are already in danger from Islamic extremists because of their pro-democracy points-of-view. They are not waiting around for Alterman to finger them before they bomb people.
    Get real and stop the phoney outrage.

  • 2LT Green, somewhere in Iraq

    Eric Alterman is a raving lunatic. I have read his blog for no other reason than to see what type of nonsense he will spew next. Intellectual…whatever. This is the same guy that told me via email that he wished I had perished in the collapse of the world trade center because I strongly disagreed with him and called him a dumbass. In my opinion, Alterman is a fine example of an anti-American. Always critiquing American foreign policy, yet offering no real alternatives.Sarcastically “congratulating” American soldiers on military operations(fallujah), and lamenting about the innocent Iraqi’s killed in this war. Here’s a newsflash. Al-Zarqawi and his crew are the bad guys. The terrorists bomb mothers and children. They behead civilian workers and use absolutely no discretion when intent on killing. Here’s another newsflash: were after the bad guys. To imply that the job US troops are doing over here is anything less than heroic, is baseless, un-American, and utterly absurd. To his fans, do yourselves a favor, and look somewhere else for leadership if you wish to dissent. I’m in Iraq everyday and see the good that goes on. Alterman is in no position to give anyone “facts” about Iraq, and although he wishes to be known as an intellectual, I think the majority of us know better.
    2LT Green, somewhere in Iraq

  • Linda

    A little boy takes a vase off the table and smashes it on the floor. It’s an ugly vase, but not one posing a threat to the boy. He just didn’t like it, thought the room looked better without it, even though it didn’t belong to him.
    The boy attempted to put the vase back in a way he would like it better, but only succeeded in breaking the pieces up further and grinding them into dust, making it utterly impossible to be re-assembled. Anyone who chastized the little boy was met with violent and vindictive rage. “Oh yeah?” he’d say, frothing at the mouth. “Who are you to tell me I was wrong. If you can’t fix what I completely destroyed, you’re an idiot. You hate me, you hate me, you wish I was dead. You’re the bad person. Besides, I was right to break it because everyone else thought the vase was ugly, too! (Can you honestly imagine using that excuse with your mother? Yikes!! So how does Bush keep getting away with it – SCLM)
    About time this little boy grew up, don’t you think? I think his friends should grow up, too.

  • Linda

    A little boy takes a vase off the table and smashes it on the floor. It’s an ugly vase, but not one posing a threat to the boy. He just didn’t like it, thought the room looked better without it, even though it didn’t belong to him.
    The boy attempted to put the vase back in a way he would like it better, but only succeeded in breaking the pieces up further and grinding them into dust, making it utterly impossible to be re-assembled. Anyone who chastized the little boy was met with violent and vindictive rage. “Oh yeah?” he’d say, frothing at the mouth. “Who are you to tell me I was wrong. If you can’t fix what I completely destroyed, you’re an idiot. You hate me, you hate me, you wish I was dead. You’re the bad person. Besides, I was right to break it because everyone else thought the vase was ugly, too! (Can you honestly imagine using that excuse with your mother? Yikes!! So how does Bush keep getting away with it – SCLM)
    About time this little boy grew up, don’t you think? I think his friends should grow up, too.

  • David R. Block

    Problem is, I see most of the frothing mouth action on the left.