Arafat’s crimes

Arafat’s crimes

: Here is a list of Arafat’s victims. It is a very long list. This is just one day of terror:

… Oct 4, 2003 – Twenty-one people were killed, including four children, and 58 wounded in a suicide bombing carried out by a female terrorist from Jenin in the Maxim restaurant in Haifa. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The victims: Admiral (res.) Ze’ev Almog, 71, of Haifa, and his wife Ruth Almog, 70; their son Moshe Almog, 43, and grandsons Tomer Almog, 9, and Assaf Staier, 11, all of Haifa; Zvi Bahat, 35, of Haifa; Mark Biano, 29, of Haifa, and his wife Naomi Biano, 25; Hana Francis, 39, of Fassouta; Mutanus Karkabi, 31, of Haifa; Sharbal Matar, 23, of Fassouta; Osama Najar, 28, of Haifa, cook; Nir Regev, 25, of Nahariya; Irena Sofrin, 38, of Kiryat Bialik; Bruria Zer-Aviv, 59, her son Bezalel Zer-Aviv, 30, and his wife Keren Zer-Aviv, 29, with their children Liran, 4, and Noya, 1, all of Kibbutz Yagur. Lydia Zilberstein, 58, died on October 10 and George Matar, 57, died October 15….
[Thanks, Tom Gross]

  • Mumblix Grumph

    Jeff…do Arafat’s supporter’s and admirer’s in America tend to be left-leaning or right-leaning.
    Why?

  • Jeff B.

    Left-leaning, down to the last man, pretty much.
    Why? Well, letting go of insulting generalizations, I’d say it has something to do with a lingering psychological attachment to the man who – in their eyes, mind you (we’re not debating the factuality here) – was the first Palestinian leader to sit down at the bargaining table with the Israelis. Also, I think they tend to ignore his thuggishness and terrorist pedigree (and continuing acts) and choose to focus on praising him as a “scrappy survivor” and underdog, as well as the face of Palestinian aspirations.
    To be fair, the defenders of Arafat are few among the educated left these days. There were many more four or five years ago (it should have been equally obvious back then how bad an idea it was to support this guy, though, considering the fact that his career stretches back into the 70s). His only American defenders today are in the IGNORANT Left.
    The really sickening thing is that you still find the educated classes in countries like Britain and France defending Arafat (e.g. Barbara Plett of the BBC’s tears for Yasser – disgraceful and representative), so great is their hatred for Israel.

  • Kat

    There are many universities in Canada and the US who worship Arafat like some God. The leftist students don the dishrags and attack students who refuse to buy into their terrorist worship. If you watch any of the anti-war rallies, you find thousands calling for the death of Israel and they wear the Arafat rags for headgear and carry placards of him, proclaiming him a leftist god. Rachel Corrie was willing to die for him. So are many others. How else could Arafat stolen millions,maybe billions, from his people unless there were those willing to be blind to his many crimes. He had accomplices right here backing Jew slaughter.

  • Mike NYC

    Rachel Corrie was willing to die for him? I thought she was willing to die to show what the Israeli retaliations were really like, not to show support for Arafat.

  • Kat

    She was defending the home of one of Arafat’s terrorists. She was willing to help kill Jews.

  • Jeff B.

    Except, as anyone who’s read about Corrie knows, she died accidentally when she laid down in front of a bulldozer (the driver couldn’t see here there and didn’t know). Moreover she died for the sake of an immensely loathesome cause: she was trying to keep a smuggling tunnel open through which Hamas and Islamic Jihad were transporting weapons and explosives for suicide bombs.
    The canonization of Corrie, to my mind, was symptomatic of something seriously wrong with a certain, vocal segment of the pro-Palestinian Left: she died while in the knowing service of unmitigated evil (unless you want to argue the jusitification of suicide bombings in pizzerias), and was quickly and cynically turned into a saint by the organization that had sent her to Israel knowing she was cannon fodder.

  • http://amomentwith.typepad.com/ Easycure

    My only question is, how did he win a Nobel Peace Prize?

  • http://hicsuntleones.blogspot.com Lion K.

    Good done! Memory is all we have… and Arafat was not a saint.

  • http://hubris.typepad.com Hubris
  • Kat

    And why are the French holding a state ceremony for a terrorist?

  • http://www.thiskids.blogspot.com jackson

    Is is possible to be for a palestinian state, and against terror? To be anti-Arafat, and anti-Israel? I think both ides are guilty.

  • http://nineteen19.blogspot.com RealTM

    So Jeff, the educated left supported him back then but the ignorant left supported him now? I guess it’s because there is such a clear divide between good and bad today thanks to good old President Bush.

  • daniel

    can you alos post a list of bush’s victims
    thanks a lot
    daniel

  • Mike NYC

    The destruction of that home was against international law.

  • Kat

    Well, the destruction of Israeli pizzarias, school buses, etc. was against international law, too. Americans helping terrorists kill Jews is against international law, and so is using UN ambulances to transport terrorists and weapons to their blowup jobs. Muslims destroying churches and temples worldwide is against international law ,but the only time muslims respect international law is when it is for whining purposes. It’s a two sided thing. If you use it, you can’t abuse it.

  • Mike NYC

    Uh huh. It’s a two-sided thing. And neither side should be able to abuse it. That was my point. You’re exasperating.

  • http://nineteen19.blogspot.com RealTM

    “but the only time muslims respect international law is when it is for whining purposes.”
    That statement right there should discredit you from making any more political statements anywhere. It’s quite an obscene comment and shows how limited your intellect may be.

  • Glyn

    I see that list combines various groups not controlled by Arafat, e.g. Hamas. That’s like blaming Gerry Adams and the IRA for killings by the Real IRA. Presumably they resorted to suicide bombings because we wouldn’t sell them tanks or warplanes. If we had done so, why would they then have been morally better?

  • Glyn

    But it’s piquant to see how world leaders are trying to say the things you say when someone dies without actually praising him. This from Britain is a good example:
    “Could I express the British government’s deepest sympathy and condolences for the death of President Arafat. He was a towering figure not only in the Palestinian world but in the Arab world, and it is difficult to imagine the Middle East without him.”
    Jack Straw, foreign secretary”
    That doesn’t actually say anything directly about Arafat.
    I see that Blair is currently flying to the USA, but don’t let anyone think he’s doing that for his own electoral advantage (the British election is next year). It’s known that whenever Bush and Blair are photographed together, Bush’s poll ratings always go up and Blair’s poll ratings always go down: even the British conservative party voters dislike Bush. (Thank god, the UK isn’t a US state because if so, we would now be 2 weeks into the new Kerry presidency.)
    Anyway, Blair won’t get any benefits from visiting Bush – he never has before – I just hope he can persuade the President to do something serious about the Mid-East Peace Process.

  • Catherine

    Frankly Mike, what is International Law? Where does it say that? Seriously. I want to see the list of laws that people refer to when they mention it.
    The people who champion” international law also tend to champion moral relativism. It is so pervasive in Europe, which is why they can’t deal with the murder of Theo van Gogh as a MURDER. It is so bizarre to me that they are shocked at his murder and don’t find the irony in the fact that a mural of an angel and the words, “thou shalt not kill,” is seen as “racist.”
    It’s that moral relativism that made the suicide bombers so acceptable to so many on the left.
    It’s that moral relativism that causes people like Daniel to ask Jeff to list “Bush’s victims.” There is something called “intent” that is lost on you Daniel (you know, you can kill someone on purpose or kill them accidentally – it means something). President Bush has never intended to kill innocent people on a bus or in a pizzeria. Arafat did intend for every one of those athletes to die, and everyone one of those people who have died via a suicide bombing.
    You want to pay a family $800 to martyr their son by killing people on a bus? Fine, you lose your house. Seems more than fair. Especially if it the monetary value of losing your house outweighs the monetary gain of murdering 10’s of people.
    As far as the “Nobel” that was for the Oslo Accords. Europe casted Arafat as the next Nelson Mandela. Ignoring, of course, that Mandela never condoned the murder of bystanders to end apartheid. They thought Arafat was “reformed” from all of the murder and had become a man of “peace.” Arafat saw them as suckers and raked in billions from the Euros while his people live in poverty.
    If you want to see what’s wrong with Europe’s leaders (and the Jimmy Carter’s et al of the US) just look at the way they have celebrated and will be eulogizing this man, this criminal who is personally responsible for the deaths of so many men, women, children and babies. This is where moral relativism leads. It’s disgusting.

  • Kat

    It many be obscene, but that does not mean it is untrue. Muslims are killing people the world over and I don’t see muslims screaming for international law to protect the Pandits, or the babies in Beslan, or those poor Blacks in Darfur. But let Israel defend herself against a bunch of terrorists in Jenin, and then all hell breaks loose and it’s a genocide, while 70,000 dead Darfurians is just allah sacrifice.
    Muslims know how to use international law to suit their purpose, they don’t know how to apply international law in their dealings with others.

  • Catherine

    It would be wise for those in favor of a Palestinian state – those who thinks that Israel is guilty of denying them that – that they were offered their own state from the beginning in 1948 and rejected it – they DIDN’T want a JEWISH state. When Israel reached out a few years ago with a settlement, Arafat balked. He wanted it all. Then started the suicide bombings.
    Had this “wise man” of “peace” and those who came before him accepted these turns and slowly a peaceful Palestinian state emerged, I think they would have received more settlements as trust grew. Arafat not only spit on those possibilities, he chose murder as the end to his all or nothing request.
    In short, the PLO and Arafat have never just wanted their own state, they have always wanted the destruction of Israel.
    What sickens me most about Arafat was how he is rushed off to Paris for treatment and had such an easy death while he encouraged his people to suffere gruesome deaths.

  • Mike NYC

    Article 33 of the Geneva Convention stipulates: ‘No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed.’ The Red Cross says acts such as the destruction of the house belonging to the family of an alleged offender are prohibited, without exception.

  • Kat

    I much prefer what the Globe says–they don’t have to be politically correct like a politician. They can be just plain honest and Jacoby is that!
    http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/11/11/arafat_the_monster/
    {In a better world, the PLO chief would have met his end on a gallows, hanged for mass murder much as the Nazi chiefs were hanged at Nuremberg. In a better world, the French president would not have paid a visit to the bedside of such a monster. In a better world, George Bush would not have said, on hearing the first reports that Arafat had died, “God bless his soul.”
    God bless his soul? What a grotesque idea! Bless the soul of the man who brought modern terrorism to the world? Who sent his agents to slaughter athletes at the Olympics, blow airliners out of the sky, bomb schools and pizzerias, machine-gun passengers in airline terminals? Who lied, cheated, and stole without compunction? Who inculcated the vilest culture of Jew-hatred since the Third Reich? Human beings might stoop to bless a creature so evil — as indeed Arafat was blessed, with money, deference, even a Nobel Prize — but God, I am quite sure, will damn him for eternity.}

  • Catherine

    Mike NYC – no it doesn’t. Article 33 refers to medical and chaplain services. Try again.
    Also, the Red Cross is body of law. It is not relative at all.
    Where the heck are you getting this stuff?
    You are exasperating!

  • http://nineteen19.blogspot.com RealTM

    Look Kat, it’s like saying all catholics are perverts. You cannot apply a generalization to a religion of almost 2 billion people based on the acts a few. You are probably the most irrational person posting here. There are two sides to any argument, and your ridiculous hate for Muslims is blinding you from seeing any perspective other than your own.

  • Kat

    The difference is that Catholics don’t condone the pedophiles. Muslims, on the other hand, are silent. Do you hear the crickets chirping?
    I simply ask the good muslims to speak up like they are doing right now in America because they don’t want a book criticizing islam, published. Some 50,000 are screaming for the burning of the book. I just want those 50,000 to condemn terrorism. Not this I don’t condone, but~~~~~~~~~~~~~~. Just flatly condemn. Is that too much to ask?

  • Mike NYC

    “Art. 33 of Convention 4: No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited.
    Pillage is prohibited.
    Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited.”
    Here’s the link I used, for better or worse. http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/6756482d86146898c125641e004aa3c5
    It wasn’t my intention to start some pissing match on who’s the better googler. I’m no fan of Arafat’s; I was just making a small point.

  • http://nineteen19.blogspot.com RealTM

    Kat, its not use arguing with you. Just because you have never met a Muslim who condemns terrorism doesn’t mean you are right. Personally, I have met dozens of Muslims who condemn terrorism. Forget it Kat, say what you please. Its obvious you just dont get it.

  • Kat

    I haven’t met the ones who scream to CAIR and the ACLU–but I hear them. I see and hear them at ANSWER marches. I saw them dancing on American streets and campuses on 911. I just want to hear them and see them condemning terrorism. I do get it–I am told most muslims are moderate–well, I want to know where they are and why they don’t speak against the barbarians. I don’t know any at CAIR and the AMC but I sure as hell hear them–and I don’t like what I hear. I want to hear mullahs in America denounce jihads and cancel the fatwa on Rushdie’s head. I just want them to do the decent thing. And not say one thing inside the mosque and another in public. If there are over a billion muslims in the world, there should be millions condemning the terrorists, if only a handful are evil, as you claim. Where are they? I heard them loud and clear when they demanded that call to prayer in Michigan. I just want to hear them condemn islamic terrorism. Why can’t they do that en masse like they can make demands en masse? I am not denying their existence, just complaining about their silence in condemning scum.

  • Franky

    Is it revisionist day or something? So in the conflict, only Palestinians are killing Israelis? Never mind the fact that vastly more Palestinians are dying.
    So the second intifada had nothing to do with Sharon’s provacative act (for those who want to belittle the importance of Sharon’s little waddle, why don’t you imagine Bin Laden taking a public piss on the Liberty Bell and see how you feel about it).
    Does all of this justify the appalling tactics used by sucidie bombers? – absolutely not. But it speaks volumes about the people who simply want to ignore it.
    Today is a good day to mention this: we all know that finding a just solution to the israeli-palestinian conflict (100% of west bank for palestinians, no right of return to israel except in absolutely exceptional cases) would massively decrease support for Bin Laden and his cause around the world, removing one of his main recruiting tools. Yet we don’t do it and we don’t force our government to do it. Until we do, I won’t believe this government has ending the threat against us from Bin Laden as its number one priority. And i certainly don’t want to hear from armchair warriors how I’m in a september 10th mentality.

  • Franky

    For anyone missed it at Reason.com
    Arafat has a dream that he is going to die so he goes to see a medium who might be able to explain the circumstances of his death. The medium gazes into her crystal ball and declares, “You are going to die on a Jewish holiday.” Arafat replies, “Which one?” The medium responds, “It doesn’t matter. Whatever day you die will become a Jewish holiday.”

  • jim

    Franky have you always been a piece of miserable shit or is this your new persona?
    oh and the libel about Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount being the reason for Arafat’s murder spree? classic. you really have your talking points down cold. jew hate much?
    In a better world that scumbag Arafat wd have died at the end of a rope wrapped around his neck. That he wd die in a bed, surrounded by the likes of his “cabinet” and the detestable leader of France tells you that there is no justice in the world.
    I just hope i can one day piss on his grave.

  • Franky

    jim,
    learn to speak properly and wipe the drool off the corner of your mouth if you want to speak with me.

  • http://www.retry.again.com retry

    If we blame Arafat for all the dead that his supported have slain, then I think Bush has killed far, far more civilians, and women and children as well, than Arafat. I think this is an unusual measure of a man, but if we adopt it, I guess Bush is the greatest terrorist on the planet living?

  • Kat

    Retry, and you are the greatest terrorist asskisser on the planet. I suppose in your mind, I have terrorist relatives because they killed terrorist Nazis. Bush finally had the balls to confront the islamofascism that has been killing Americans for some 30 years, and appeasers like you looked the other way. Arafat got away with murder because people like you supported him–you were complicit in his crimes. Congratulations. You hate Bush more than you hate a terrorist.
    {Yet even as these rulers were torturing their own people, they were lionized in the salons of the West. European and American intellectuals, motivated by a combination of guilt for their countries’ past conduct, vicarious zest for revolutionary adventure and condescension toward Africans and Asians who were thought incapable of conforming to Western standards, were willing to excuse any crime committed in the name of “national liberation.”}
    http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-boot11nov11,0,3261290.column?coll=la-home-utilities

  • Faramin

    Kat,
    and you are still busy bulshitting; non-stop. You are the dumbest fascist I’ve known on the net.
    retry,
    Yes, that’s what Bush is. But Jeff knows that but doesn’t wanted to admit that. Jeff can only see and talk about the “crimes” of those he dislikes. He never says anything about the murderers such as Sharon either. He never tells you about the number of civilians who have been killed by his heros.
    In order to tell the truth, all the truth, one needs to have ethics. That is what is seriously missing in Jeff’s so-called journalism.

  • Kat

    Faramin, that’s rich, a terrorist jew hating islamofascist preaching to Jeff about ethics.

  • Eileen

    Tomorrow during Arafat’s funeral, I will be praying as follows:
    May all members of Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, Islamic Jihad, Al-Aqsa, Fatah, followers of shariah law and all other islamofascists….
    May all supporters of the above named, whether they be muslim clerics, media pundits, internet bloggists/commenters, political leaders, fake ‘charitable’ organizations, states or private companies, groups and individuals who provide funding for islamofascism, wahhabist schools, etc.
    May each of these follow Arafat’s lead and go quietly, for this form of Islam is doomed. Actually, by now I’m sure Allah is beyond horrified……. This will be my prayer.
    Furthermore, it is really rude to insult one’s host. Perhaps there isn’t enough traffic on one’s own blog site?

  • John

    Arafat was a gruesome murdering thug, a mobster in the old style.
    Under the guise of freedom fighter, he enriched himself and his cronies while leaving his sorrowful followers destitute. They have been made pawns in the greater battle against self-rule in the middle east, while being promised the very same.
    Israel has the only democratic government in the local region, and except for Turkey, the greater region.
    It’s simplistic to think that this fight is only between Ababs and Jews. But if that is so, why are some Arabs killing other Arabs in order to prevent movement toward democracy in Iraq?
    The totalitarian rulers of the greater middle east may co-exist with Israel if they choose to, they cannot co-exist with freedom and remain in power.

  • lucklucky

    And that list forgets all Arabs/Muslims that Arafat thugs murdered in Jordan Kingdom and in Lebanon that the MSM fails to report…

  • Franky

    Yehudit,
    Try and post without insults it might make for more productive comments.
    I’m not disputing Jewish claims to Temple Mount, and I’m not disputing muslims bloody history in the region. The point is that Sharon is rightly the most reviled figure among palestinians for his indirect murder of Palestinians during in the camps in Lebanon. Something that any honest war crimes court would have no delay in calling genocide (I wonder if you’ve posted about the situation in Sudan – let me guess that’s somehow different?). His visit was deliberately provocative because he sought to create chaos in order to step in as PM. Yehudit, trust me, you only have to read one profile of Sharon to know that’s how he has carried out his entire poltiical career.
    “Israel has a track record of giving land for peace – real peace. (Sinai.)”
    Don’t make me laugh. They gave back desert.
    So the Israelis are prepared to give back all of the West Bank for peace are they? Then what are those settlements doing there and why did they spring up immediately? Just to be taken down again? Why does the Israeli government subsidize poor immigrants to live in the west bank? Those are the families I feel sorry for. Unable to afford to live anywhere else and moved along to live in a war zone.
    So let’s just be clear: you deny that the israel-palestinian situation aggravates relations between the Muslim world and the US. Because from your post it seems that way. I mean if you believe Israel’s right to the west bank is more important than eliminating the threat of Al-Qeada, say so, but let’s not deny the reality in front of our faces, shall we.

  • Kat

    Yes, let’s just reward terrorists, and they will move on to islamizing some other place. They are ready to kill off the Pandits and the Blacks, so let’s reward them with muslim states.
    STEP # 1: STOP YOUR BARBARIANISM. God, I thought they’d take down the helicopter this morning and tear poor Yasser to pieces, fighting for a limb or finger–like they did with Khomeini. Mob mentality. Yeesh.

  • Franky

    I notice that the theme of the right-wing today appears to be that Arafat could have had a Palestinian state many times over. As if Arafat is somehow soley responsible for the crisis because he didn’t take whatever was offered. That sort of intellectual dishonesty and contempt for Palestinians is simply astouding. I wish the posters here would be a little more open about their contempt for the palestinians and it would save the rest of us the time of even bothering to debate with them.

  • Faramin

    Eileen,
    Thank you for reminding me that kat is not alone.
    Kat,
    STEP # 1: STOP YOUR BARBARIANISM.
    Based on the same “logic”, you should stop commenting, talking and well, even breathing. Who the hell are you to reward anything to anybody. All you do is barbarism.

  • Glyn

    Don’t all of us agree on an least a couple of things here? i.e. the recognition of Israel’s right to exist, and the recognition of Palestine as a fully-fledged, independent (not 2nd-class) nation-state. That leaves an awful lot of things for negotiation but who here disagrees with either of those propositions?

  • jim

    shorter Franky – i’m a terrorist apologizer jew hating idiot – ignore me.
    gee thanks, i think i will.

  • Franky

    Good question, Glyn. But i think the devil is in the details. Even the most dismissive of Palestinian claims will say they believe in a Palestinian state as Sharon does – because he does not want to have to police the Palestinians anymore. But will it be workable, free from Israeli control?.
    Israel must exist, there must be two states and Israel must give back all of the West Bank, and that the US and Europe must publicly guarantee the security of Israel from the neighboring powers.
    Yehudit, care to be as open and straight forward on what you believe the solution is?

  • Kat

    Hmm, learn something new from Faramin everyday. Breathing for me is equivalent to beheading for a muslim.

  • Eileen

    Glyn, I wholeheartedly agree with you on All counts. Sadly, one of the seminal (love that word – may be replaced with ovular) problems is that several of the groups I mentioned above do Not agree with one of your basic tenets; i.e., Israel’s – the Jews’ – right to exist in any place on the face of the globe.
    Then there’s the major problem that anyone who even attempts to negotiate Palestinian statehood with Israel will be subject to assassination by the same fanatic fundamentalists who offer up their children as suicide bombers and believe in the wholesale slaughter of innocents. Stating the obvious, that is why Arafat never bought the deal. Unfortunately, I believe he never intended to, for he was forever ‘one of them’, one who did Not believe in Israel’s right to exist. Oh, but he talked a ‘very good’ line…….Nobel prizeworthy, apparently. He was a sickening, disgusting, vile liar and terrorist. He played the west like a fiddle.
    Until the terrorists are ‘quieted'(and I truly wish for their peaceful ablution – just give it up already, for they are doomed), there will be no two-state resolution.
    And anyone here who would criticize my prayer for a peaceful end to the Shariah brand of Islam (yeah, that guy who can only spew invectives at our host and anyone else who doesn’t agree with him) should consider ablution in his own regard.

  • Faramin

    Eileen,
    You are either deliberately lying or you’ve been forced to digest bunch of Bullshit. Israel is there to be and that is a fact, whether some people like it or not. But this fact, is accepted by many of those who have fought, not Israel’s existance, but Israel’s atrocities. “Arabs want to push Jews into the sea” is nothing but bullshit that can be sold only to people like you. It is only to justify the crimes Israelis have committed against the Palestinian people. I don’t know, may be you are not smart enough to understand what I am saying here. But then Again I can’t help you on that.
    Then there’s the major problem that anyone who even attempts to negotiate Palestinian statehood with Israel will be subject to assassination by the same fanatic fundamentalists who offer up their children as suicide bombers and believe in the wholesale slaughter of innocents.
    You forgot what happened to Rabin?
    Aboviously you don’t realize the bad timing for your lie, otherwise you wouldn’t expose you idiocy in the above comment. The comment that reminds me of those Isrealis who were working for some kind of peace with the Palestinians. That reminds me of the Israeli PM Rabin who was assasinated by a Jewish terrorist for negotiating with the Palestinians.
    Think Eileen, think. Try it. You might enjoy it. I know it’s hard to do something that you are not used to do. But hey, you need to start practicing it, if there is any required foundation left in you, that is.

  • Eileen

    “Israel is there to be and that is a fact, whether some people like it or not.” Do YOU like it, Faramin? Not according to your comments and your blog.
    What is it, exactly, that you want? What are your aims? Who are you fighting against and why?
    What Is it, Exactly, that you believe in?
    All I hear from you – no matter who you address – is, ‘you are stupid’, Jeff, me, Kat,,etc., etc., along with other demeaning invectives. After several times of hearing your brand of ‘commentary’ it becomes…….boring. Do you really believe you are so superior? Is everyone who disagrees with you inferior, stupid, and blah blah blah?
    Islamofascists will be defeated; Shariah Islam will soon be dead. Face it. Deal with it.
    Faramin, more succinctly, I believe you are evil.
    I have reported you to the CIA……and I truly hope you will be quieted soon.

  • Faramin

    Eileen,
    You don’t disgaree. You just bullshit. And yes, you are stupid.
    You reported me to CIA for what? For saying what my opinion is? You are a fascist. Yes, a dumb fascist.
    You accuse me of calling you stupid because I daisgaree with you. Then you say, you reported me to CIA for the same reason; disagreeing.
    There has been no violence in my history, only poltical opinions and you want me to be quieted by your CIA? Are they really as terrorsit as you are indicating or is it only from your dark heart and terror minded brain? I don’t condone and I don’t need violence to prove how jerk people like you are. Reporting me to CIA. Well, CIA must be even stupider than you if they listen to an asshole like you. Hey, what is going to happen to me mrs. terrorist? You are a mysrebale and a sick woman. and yes, if you would like to use the term “evil”, you are what you accused me of being; an evil. I would suggest you to kiss my ass with your terrorist, totalitarian mentality.
    May be it is not a bad idea that others would know how jerk you are.

  • Kat

    Faramir, you are full of donkey doo. Over 80% of Pals do not recognize Israel’s right to exist.
    THE PLO’S PHASED PLAN
    Political Programme
    Adopted at the 12th Session of the Palestinian National Council
    Cairo, June 9, 1974
    The plan in brief:
    1. Through the “armed struggle” (i.e., terrorism), to establish an “independent combatant national authority” over any territory that is “liberated” from Israeli rule. (Article 2)
    2. To continue the struggle against Israel, using the territory of the national authority as a base of operations. (Article 4)
    3. To provoke an all-out war in which Israel’s Arab neighbors destroy it entirely (“liberate all Palestinian territory”). (Article 8)

  • Eileen

    “There has been no violence in my history”
    You are violent as you speak.
    And No. 3 in Kat’s post above is the bottom line.
    The CIA will ‘follow up’.

  • Faramin

    Oh I’m so “terrified” Eileen. “I am sorry” to defeat you in discussions. “I am sorry” to humiliate you every time you said something Bullshit. “I am sorry” to show how dumb you are. “I am sorry” for being smarter, way smarter than you. “I am sorry” for angering you; a junior terrorist. Please put back on a leash your dog of anger, frustration and humiliation.
    Oops, I think I humiliated you AGAIN.
    Hey Idiot, even Khomeinie with his brutal power could not stop me from expressing myself. You are not even a piece of his …. .

  • Kat

    Faramin,you are only humiliating yourself by exposing your ‘mob’ mentality and your’ I am superior because I’m not a Jew or infidel.’ It is hot headed idiocy that prevents peace in Israel–just the kind terrorists and yourself exhibit. Only a fool has to tell himself how smart and superior he is. If it was true it would be self evident. In your case it is sadly lacking.
    And Khomeini was trash–and when he died he was torn into little pieces like an animal.
    {You are not even a piece of his …. .) What ‘piece’ did you get?

  • Faramin

    Kat,
    “I am superior because I’m not a Jew or infidel”
    You put the above in a quotation mark, implying that this is what I’ve said. Can you show me where I said that?
    You once again fail to bring one example indicating that I hate Jews. You know what? I think you WANT me to hate Jews because you keep insisting that I do, while I don’t. To me, Jews, Christians and Mulsims are all people. Yes, I do have problem with religion and I do believe that it is religion that creates hatred amongst human beings and the weaker ones, such as you, fall into that hatred so quickly, but I have no problem with people, regardless of their beliefs. I am for life Kat, not death as you are.
    No, I am smarter than idiots like YOU and Eileen, the junior terrorist because…, well.., I am smarter. ;-) That has nothing to do with “Jews” or “infidels”. As a matter of fact, Khomeinie who was another side of the same dirty coin as you are, called people like me infidels too. He hated us too. He too, wanted to see his opponents dead. You share that mentality with him whether he was a trash or not.

  • Kat

    No, Faramin, I believe in live and let live. I believe in freedom of and freedom from religion. I abhor islam’s forcing itself on unwilling victims and killing those who dare renounce it. I have faith that there are reasonable people, unlike you, who will forge peace between Palestinians and Jews. If they have to kill every terrorist in the process, then I believe in that too. I know there are good Palestinians who will see the errors of the intifadah and unlike you, they won’t mouth off while hiding in Canada and thinking you are brave because you dare criticize from afar. They will actually see their faults–you can’t even see your own without resorting to name calling, etc. You are a sad little man. I pity you.

  • Mike NYC

    Oh, Kat. You do your side such harm. Please stop.

  • Eileen

    “You once again fail to bring one example indicating that I hate Jews.”
    A quick trip to Faramin’s blog, humanfirstthenproudiranian.blogspot.com, immediately reveals the depth of Faramin’s love for Jews. Here are a few subject lines:
    That’s right. Not all Israelis are fascists
    (November 13, 2004)
    Banana-in-hand monkeys celebrating the death of Palestine’s father (November 11, 2004)
    In the second ‘article’, he includes choice comments such as: “After all, he was in his own land, although practically in a prison surrounded by vultures.”
    Yeah, I can definitely feel the love.

  • Franky

    Did you just phone up the central switchboard and say “Hi is this the CIA? I want to report some guy who posts on Buzzmachine.com. Yeah it’s a blog. A weblog.”
    Either this is funniest thing I’ve seen in a while or the lonely ramblings of someone who really should find something better to do with their time (damn, are you going to report me as well to the CIA?)

  • Faramin

    Kat,
    YOU KNOW very well, that there is no substance in what you are saying.
    I have challenged you so many times to come up with example/s showing that I hate Jews that I condone violence, that I condone killing. You have always failed to do so. It’s understandable why. Because that is simply not true. As I said, I am for life not death, as you are. You just hate me, and because you are so selfish and have no dignity, you put your hatred towards me as a determining factor to try, unsuccessfully of course, to portray me as a person who hates Jews. You keep insisting that I do hate Jews, eventhough you know you are lying. But I guess it’s hard to change the habit of lying, isn’t it?
    Unlike what you claim, you are not a defender of Jews. You are practically creating hatred towards Jews. But fortunately, I am strong enough, and of course smart enough, not to be pursuated by what you say. Because I don’t consider what you say as what normal human beings would say and don’t give it too much value. But your provocative and full of hatred comments practically directed to one billion people around the world, are only destructive and can create hatred towards those who don’t deserve it; Yes, towards Jews whom you claim to be defending.
    Once again, I dare you and the little 007 Eileen who has just “promoted” herself to a junior terrorist, to show everybody here that I hate Jews. I am sure the little dumb 007 has already spent days and nights searching on the net, to prove that I hate Jews. Sorry to make you lose your sleep 007.
    Hiding in Canada? Who says I am hiding? Why should I hide? I came to Canada for the democracy it has and YES, I am part of a very constructive community in Canada, because I love the country as I consider it my home away from home. Canada has no place for fascists like you but I am welcome it. Canada appreciates me, and I appreciate Canada. That’s all it matters. So, it is too bad that you can’t be part of this equation.

  • Faramin

    I don’t care what you feel 007 Eileen. I have always believed and expressed that Palestinians are in prison in their own land and sarrounded by an occupying army, which is the Israeli army. It has nothing to do with Jews As I beleive there are significant number of Jews who do not approve what thei army is doing and are against it.
    Nice try. But try again.

  • Kat

    Faramin, I have read your blog. It made me puke. You are so blinded by hatred for Jews that you can’t even see your own. Eileen provided some of your love filled quotes–I won’t give your garbage any further respect .
    Yes, I am familiar with communities in Canada which burn Jewish schools, desecrate Jewish cemetaries, paint anti-semitic messages on Jewish homes and businesses, etc.

  • Faramin

    Kat,
    Your familiarity with Canadian communities, are as flawed and twisted as your logic. Did you know that in frist 24 hours of after the US elections, the number of American visitors to Canada’s Citizenship and immigration website, was up by 115,000? There must be many many qualities in Canada that many Americans can see, but you don’t. Perhaps those Americans are trying to escape from idiots like you.
    BTW, You couldn’t find anything to back your claim up, could you? How about having the courage, for once, to apologize for months of bullshiting about me? What? Got none? I didn’t think otherwise.

  • Kat

    I should apologize to someone who calls Jews, vultures and Banana in Hand Monkeys?
    Yes, Canada is much safer for terrorists. They hate the Patriot Act. Did you know Holland is drawing up an even tougher Patriot Act? Do you know why? They never suffered a 911.
    http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?ID=33466
    http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/w-eur/2004/nov/12/111201677.html
    http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5475

  • Faramin

    Once AGAIN you are lying Kat. You are just addicted to lying.
    Where did I say Jews are Voltures? Where did I say Jews are banana-in-hand monkeys. It is you and you type that I am refering to who are banana-in-hand monkeys and are celebrating these days.
    Yes, Canada is much safer for terrorists. They hate the Patriot Act.
    Responding to my referring to those 115,000 Americans, are you telling me that those 115,000 Americans who visited the Canadian Citizenship and Immigration website in first 24 hours after the US elections, are also terrorists?
    By every word you consume, you sink a metre further into disgrace.

  • Faramin

    Oh BTW, looks like the 007 Eillen has another 115,000 more reports to CIA.

  • Kat

    No, I did not say that–I think they are politically corrrect anti-Americans–like you. You are a fool and I refuse to be dragged into your cesspool . I didn’t celebrate Arafat’s death–I gave the insignificant little gnome no thought whatsoever. Just like when a worm dies.
    Proverbs 24:17:
    When your enemy falls, do not rejoice.

  • Bubba

    Kat,
    You do yourself and jewish people much injustice by throwing around accusations of “anti-semite” at everyone who has little love for the policies of Israel.
    Many jews, especially those outside of America, want justice for the Palestinian people, as does most of the world. Go ahead and keep on calling them jew-haters. You’ll be the boy who cried wolf when another real Hitler comes along.

  • Faramin

    No, I did not say that
    May be you just realized that you goofed, AGAIN and you are embarrassed for it. Otherwise, I suggest you take a couple of basic English courses, because what you said would mean that.

  • Kat

    Hitler is here–you are just too blind to see him. He is an ideology.

  • Kat

    Bubba–what term would you apply to people who bomb Jewish schools, desecrate Jewish cemetaries, and paint hate messages on Jewish homes? I will use the term you supply instead of anti-semitic.

  • http://www.buzzmachine.com Jeff Jarvis

    Faramin, Kat: I’ll say it again: Take it outside. This is getting very boring for the rest of the world.