Watching Bush’s back

Watching Bush’s back

: Salon is still speculating that Bush the lump on Bush’s back was a wire. But this morning, Howard Stern said it’s a bulletproof vest. Clearly, he knows about them and he said he could see just where the buckles were. But he guesses Bush doesn’t want to admit wearing one.

  • John

    Apparently here’s a way to find out which candidate lost a debate — see which side is talking up stories of possible cheating after the debate occurs.
    Following the first debate, the Internet was rife was stories of Kerry supposedly sneaking an index card out of his jacket. That mystery lasted about 48 hours, until it was determined the “cards” were actually a pen the senator pulled out of his pocket, and several of the bloggers who made a big deal about the original video of Kerry spologized.
    Now after debate No. 2, supporters of Kerry are buzzing about the supposed hidden listening device Bush was wearing. This mystery is going on 72 hours now, though I suspect it will become a non-issue after tonight when the final debate occurs (but may live on as an urban legend, like Bush’s plastic turkey after his Thanksgiving trip to Iraq last year).

  • http://cellar.org Undertoad

    CBS wishes it were Salon, where apparently you’re allowed to post complete and total speculation as if it was a real story as long as you get an “expert” to back you up.
    The vest idea passes Occam’s razor. A bizarre device which is heavy under the jacket and transmits to something tiny in the ear canal? It doesn’t pass any credibility test.

  • http://www.keatstelescope.blogspot.com gaw3

    Whatever the lump was, I REALLY hope Bush is in fact wearing a bulleproof vest. Kerry too. These attacks on Republican party local offices worry me enough.
    I agree with first poster John that complaints about cheating seem to follow a perception of falling behind.

  • Mike G

    Well, compare Salon’s to Slate’s “What’s the lump?” story, which takes three paragraphs to say “We have no frickin’ clue.” Hard to know which is worse, making shit up or feeling obliged to comment on every issue of the day, regardless of whether or not you have anything to say.
    As soon as I saw it, I thought, it’s probably something the Secret Service insists he wear, and they have no interest in giving potential assassins any more clues than they already have, so no one is ever going to say for sure. But it’s nothing of consequence, except to the president and the Secret Service that is.

  • http://acrosstheatlantic.com shell

    I agree with Mike. Probably the Secret Service insists that he not confirm that he’s wearing a bulletproof vest. It wouldn’t stop a careful assassin, who would be sure to aim for the head, but the random nutjob who just decided to fire a gun might not think of it. I bet Bush isn’t allowed to leave the White House without a vest on.

  • Michael

    Bullet proof vest doesn’t make sense, unless he always wears one. These controlled debates with only a few hundres (pre-selected) audience members are much more secure than the average campaign stop out in the open with thousands of random people.
    I’m not ready to don a tin hat and say he’s being wired; which would be a shame, becuase you’d assume his rhetoric performance should actually improve with such prompting. I’ve seen plenty of “evidence” posted online regarding how he seems to suddenly change his response mid-sentence, as if prompted by something/body, but it seems more likely that he suddenly remembers a “line” to recite, rather than being wired.
    A different theory ties these bulges to the fact that Pres Bush hasn’t taken his physical this year. Coupled with the fact that he seemed really hunched over at the first debate, some speculate that he has a back problem (another spill off his mountain bike?), doesn’t want the physical becuase that would bring attention to it, and was wearing a back brace of some sort.

  • Hmmm

    Quote from article:

  • Walter E. Wallis

    With modern electronics, a lump that size would carry everything but a fax.
    A broadcast receiver would not require anywhere near tha mass that the photo suggests.

  • James

    Come on, where are all the usual Bush robots chiming in here?
    Of course it’s a kevlar vest, and of course Bush is advised not to comment on it so as to lessen the chances of a headshot.
    But damn, don’t jump on Salon and Slate for pointing it out, the video was suspicious enough to warrant a mention.

  • Angus Jung

    “Come on, where are all the usual Bush robots chiming in here?”
    Thinking about things that actually matter?

  • Franky

    I think the bulge was large enough to merit an investigation. I think that people raised the question in no way reflects who won or lost the debate. Rather, we’re now in such a degraded political discourse that anyone will look for any vulnerability to exploit in their opponent, regardless of their standing in the polls. I doubt Bush was wearing a wire simply because I think he’s performed god-awfully in all the debates, but then what do i know about how it plays out with my countrymen, 1 in 5 of whom believe the sun revolves around the earth.

  • Angelos

    Like how GOP-funded opratives in Arizona and Nevada have joined Florida in their attempts keep Democrats and undecideds from voting?

  • david

    >These attacks on Republican party local offices
    >worry me enough.
    >I agree with first poster John that complaints
    >about cheating seem to follow a perception of
    >falling behind.
    Sorry to burst your bubble but stories about Shrub wearing some sort of device appeared after the FIRST debate which Kerry won easily. Just because it took the mediawhores this long to bring it to the fore doesn’t mean that Kerry somehow “lost” the second debate. That only happened in freeper land of make believe.
    Please post some links that show conclusively that real Democrats are attacking Republican offices. This is just another lie spread by the likes of you. The only intimidation that will go on this election will be by your side. Rove and company know how to play to the base by getting them riled up with fake stories…while in reality they are doing things like the following:
    GOP firm shreds Dem voter registrations
    by kos
    Wed Oct 13th, 2004 at 01:33:58 GMT
    There is no low to which the GOP will not stoop. Now, they are shredding Dem voter registrations in Nevada.
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/12/213358/59

  • James

    Angus — things like windsurfing ads?

  • Angus Jung

    “Angus — things like windsurfing ads?”
    I wasn’t aware that the Buzzmachine commenters you referred to were responsible for those ads, but that’s good to know. Cut it out, you guys!
    “I doubt Bush was wearing a wire simply because I think he’s performed god-awfully in all the debates, but then what do i know about how it plays out with my countrymen, 1 in 5 of whom believe the sun revolves around the earth.”
    Whereas you know the truth: it revolves around Michael Moore.

  • Franky

    Angus,
    You and wit seem to be uncomfortable bedfellows. I would stick to irrelevant snark if I were you.

  • Angus Jung

    “I would stick to irrelevant snark if I were you.”
    Luckily for all of us, you’re not! ;)

  • Charley

    Why dis Michael Moore? Were the assertions made in his film false? Was that all just made up?
    Of course he put a spin on many parts of the film, but his website lists the sources for his claims.

  • John

    David —
    So those were imaginary AFL-CIOers down there in Orlando trashing the Republcians’ headquarters last week? Or is John Sweeney secretly part of the VRWC and is getting some of his boys to help out his good buddy George W?
    While it may be easy to set up your own headquarters for an attack in order to smear the other side, in those cases, the assailant is almost always “unseen.” But in this case there are names and faces to put on those who carried out the attack, which makes it hard to deny there’s no intimidation going on.

  • Angus Jung

    “Why dis Michael Moore? Were the assertions made in his film false? Was that all just made up?”
    Who doesn’t love rhetorical questions?

  • Franky

    Charley,
    Bush-supporters need little reason to mention Michael Moore. I think it reflects very well on them that they’ve managed to cut through all the bullshit and find one cause of all the world’s problems: a fat man with a camera. (oh, by the way, just so you know: a man who makes a documentary and then presents it at the cinema, where everyone has the choice of boycottying it or paying to see it, is exactly the same as a media company that FORCES affiliates to run anti-Kerry film over public airwaves on the eve of the election).

  • Charley

    Angus — So PBS, CNN, The Houstin Chronicle, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The BBC, etc. were all lying in the articles that Moore lists as the sources?
    Please clarify what you’re saying here, that is a serious claim.

  • Angus Jung

    “Please clarify what you’re saying here, that is a serious claim.”
    Which one?

  • Mike

    So david, you’re asking for conclusive links and you post something from dailykos? And please, you’re trying to tell everyone that you haven’t heard about the coordinated effort by the AFL-CIO to protest GOP offices across the country, some of which led to violence and at least one injury?
    Just type in “afl-cio protest gop offices” in google and you’ll get all the info you need.
    Like how GOP-funded opratives in Arizona and Nevada have joined Florida in their attempts keep Democrats and undecideds from voting?
    Angelos, it’s been awhile since you made an unfounded claim. Good to hear from you again.

  • Dan

    “Please clarify what you’re saying here, that is a serious claim.”
    Perhaps you should first identify what assertions you feel Moore is making.

  • Franky

    Mike,
    The link Angelos provided would have taken you (eventually) here.
    Whatever your political persuasion this is an absolute disgrace and the perpetrators should be strung up from the nearest lamp posts:
    http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2421595&nav=168XRvNe
    Oct. 12) — Employees of a private voter registration company allege that hundreds, perhaps thousands of voters who may think they are registered will be rudely surprised on election day. The company claims hundreds of registration forms were thrown in the trash.
    Anyone who has recently registered or re-registered to vote outside a mall or grocery store or even government building may be affected.
    The I-Team has obtained information about an alleged widespread pattern of potential registration fraud aimed at Democrats. The focus of the story is a private registration company called Voters Outreach of America, AKA America Votes.
    The out-of-state firm has been in Las Vegas for the past few months, registering voters. It employed up to 300 part-time workers and collected hundreds of registrations per day, but former employees of the company say that Voters Outreach of America only wanted Republican registrations.

  • david

    >you post something from dailykos…
    and exactly what is wrong with that? Besides if you bothered to look you’d see kos was only linking to a “I-Team” report from a station in Las Vegas…
    http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2421595&nav=168XRvNe
    Eric Russell managed to retrieve a pile of shredded paperwork including signed voter registration forms, all from Democrats. We took them to the Clark County Election Department and confirmed that they had not, in fact, been filed with the county as required by law.
    So the people on those forms who think they will be able to vote on Election Day are sadly mistaken. We attempted to speak to Voters Outreach but found that its office has been rented out to someone else.
    —————————
    It really is funny to hear republicans talk about voter intimidation in FLORIDA good god does it get any more ironic then that!

  • Mike

    Franky, Angelos didn’t provide a link. And I have seen the story, Drudge has the link to it as well. I also agree, if the story is true, the perpetrators need to be punished (strung up at the nearest lamp post would seem a bit harsh).
    My comment for Angelos is just that to drop in, make an accusation, without providing a source is kind of irresponsible. David provided the link to daily kos, which I would hardly call credible. It would have been better to just link the story, and mention you read it on daily kos.
    Of course that’s just my opinion.

  • Mike

    And look at that, there you go. It’s like David was reading my mind!

  • Franky

    “(strung up at the nearest lamp post would seem a bit harsh)”
    Ok, let’s at least send them to Saudi Arabia wearing a t-shirt that says: “I’m a homosexual, feminist, stealing Christian/Jew”.

  • http://acrosstheatlantic.com shell

    Not to excuse fraud on either side, but serious people registered a long time ago and already have their voter registration card.

  • Mike

    excellent point shell.

  • david

    here’s some more from the Republican thugs:
    DOWNTOWN TOLEDO
    Thieves hit Democratic Party offices; computers containing sensitive data removed
    By ROBIN ERB
    BLADE STAFF WRITER
    Thieves shattered a side window overnight at Lucas County Democratic headquarters in Toledo, stealing computers with sensitive campaign information and triggering concern of the local party’s ability to deliver crucial votes on Nov. 2.
    Among the data on the stolen computer of the party’s office manager were: e-mails discussing campaign strategy, candidates’ schedules, financial information, and phone numbers of party members, candidates, donors, and volunteers.
    http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20041013/NEWS03/410130378
    This should really flip you off…I found that story in the comment section at ATRIOS…omg I said ATRIOS that must mean it was really democrats who stole those computers.

  • Franky

    Shell,
    What the hell does this have to do with anything? They register before the election or not. I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but I can only conclude that you somehow believe these people deserve their voter registerations being thrown in the trashcan because they rregistered later than you. If that wasn’t your point, I can’t see any reason why you would mention it?

  • Mike

    david, you obviously have read more into the meaning of my posts than I intended to have. I fault you for linking to another blog as a credible source. Blogs are not credible, they are merely commentary and/or opinion on the news with some reporting and investigations mixed in. I just don’t understand why you would call for credible sources from one person and then provide links to someone else’s assertions as a credible source. I don’t have a problem with you referencing where or how you got the link. So lighten up.
    And your story sounds a lot like this incident reported in the Seattle Times
    It’s just the roles are reversed. Damn Democratic thugs, boy that really flips me off!

  • http://acrosstheatlantic.com shell

    If you wait until the big storm to fix your roof, or until your tire blows out to replace them, you run the risk of being taken advantage of by scam artists. People who wait to register until the last minute are likewise more likely to be scammed than people who keep their registration current. It’s not right, and registration fraud should be punished. But it is preventable.

  • John

    It really is funny to hear republicans talk about voter intimidation in FLORIDA good god does it get any more ironic then that!
    Not quite sure what you’re point is here David. Is it that because it happened in Florida it’s OK because (in your mind) two wrongs make a right, or that the Orlando incident didn’t happen and Ch. 6 was just making up the attack by the union folks?

  • Ryan

    “A bizarre device which is heavy under the jacket and transmits to something tiny in the ear canal? It doesn’t pass any credibility test.”
    That’s exactly what I thought. A receiver/transceiver is small enough to fit in the guys ear canal but he needs a power pack/relay the size of a fanny pack?
    What is this the 80’s with the “portable” phones that required a freaking briefcase sized battery?

  • http://diogenes.typepad.com Jim Durbin
  • Angelos

    No Jim. Natham Sproul, former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party and head of VOA, has been CLAIMING that he is part of America Votes, to gain legitimacy and access.

  • Tollhouse

    Nice that they are keeping Hope Alive in this story.
    The Seattle Times interviewed the tailor of that suit. He said it was a seam buckle. I suppose in a more rational age that would be definitive.