The John-John moment

jfk_jr_salute.jpgkerrysalute2.jpgThe John-John moment

: That’s what I called it last night: Kerry’s John-John moment. Just a tad too cute. Did you cringe just then? I did.

Did they intend this to be a separated-at-birth scene: the Kennedy legacy handed down from Bostonian to Bostonian in Boston, from JFK to JFK to JFK?

Well, Senator, we know JFK; JFK was a friend of ours; Senator, you’re no JFK.

  • And I’m cringing because he can’t bloody salute.
    Tip of index finger to outside edge of eyebrow, finger, hand and forearm in an absolutely straight line.
    Well, for him, it’s been a while, but honestly, you would have expected better of someone who is always going on about… where was it? Vietnam?

  • Brad

    Hmm, I didn’t make the connection to young John Kennedy. I’ve seen the image, but iconic moment was before I was born, perhaps that’s why it didn’t resonate with me. Cheesy? Maybe a bit, but it worked for me.
    I read his pre-released text, and found it interesting that his “reporting for duty” line was not part of that text.

  • Michael

    “As president, I will restore trust and credibility to the White House.”
    – SENATOR JOHN KERRY
    He may not be JFK (who was no great shakes), but the above statement is as strong as bears’ breath! Bring em on.

  • Franky

    So his saluting was not invoking a central theme of his campaign (his service in Vietnam) but rather a photo from a funeral 40 years ago? And then you build up an elaborate rebuttal of this? This seems to me like one of those times you had a punchline and wanted to make the joke fit.

  • anne.elk

    Jeff,
    I think it was more to along with his comment, “reporting for duty”. Saluting when saying that you’re reporting for duty sort of go hand in hand.
    You remember that don’t you during your service in ‘Nam? 68 right during the siege of Hue?
    Anyway, I don’t think anyone but you seem to think it refers to John F. Kennedy Jr’s salute. I think you’re projecting your own issues again.
    It kind of makes me cringe and feel badly for you when you do that in your blog. A bit too much information….

  • Catherine

    It made me turn it off and start watching E-True Hollywood story (everything else was Kerry). I just couldn’t stomach it. Makes me sick. You know, Sen Inoye (sp?) from Hawaii was one of the most decorated service men from WW2, and he spent time in an interment camp,yet he never had to brag about it.
    I wonder what my dad will say (a WW2 vet and never liked whining Vietnam vets who did “tours” for 6 months). He’s a democrat to the death, but he hates guys who show off their “fruit salad” (ribbons) and talk about themselves in that fashion. I am afraid to ask him actually and set his “irish” off.
    Notice, Kerry didn’t talk about anything he’s done between his 4 months in Vietnam and now. Interesting.

  • Franky

    “Notice, Kerry didn’t talk about anything he’s done between his 4 months in Vietnam and now. Interesting.”
    That is true. What can he say? He sat around in the Senate with 49 other windbags.
    I just conducted an interview in the past 5 minutes with a senator (not US) by telephone. I phoned the flak and asked the question I wanted answering. The flak said “hold on” and then asked the senator the question to prepare him, while the flak continued holding the phone. The senator just began answering the question, even though he hadn’t been passed to me. Senators, like other elected politicians just learn to blab off, and I imagine Kerry is no different.
    As Reason said the other day, one of the reasons I’m most angry at Bush is that he makes a douche like Kerry seem like a good vote.

  • John Kerry was in Vietnam?

  • You mean if somebody salutes, they are referencing John-John?? That’s quite a stretch. It was obviously a reference to his service. And yes, I found it cheesy, but the rest of his speech explained the salute… and now it just seems natural to me.
    Catherine, he did cover his time in the Senate, albeit briefly. That’s something he’s must elaborate on in the next 100 days.

  • david

    LOL making fun of a guy who salutes how low can you go, i’m sure we’ll find out in the coming months. Of course you’ll still be telling us how “you won’t be voting for Bush”…pllllllz give us a break…you only use that line so you can get to do some mediawhoring.

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    Anne, I *did* learn to salute during Viet Nam, and it made me cringe too. (And don’t for God’s sake raise the issue of Bush saluting; as C-in-C, he’s in the chain of command, and it’s been quite a while since that precedent was established. But even Bill Clinton managed to learn to do it respectably.)
    I can’t claim it made me think of John Jr., though. I’m only a year younger than Jeff, so it can’t just be age.
    Sgt. Mom, cut him some slack on the sloppy execution; he was Navy, after all.

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    He may not be JFK (who was no great shakes), but the above statement is as strong as bears’ breath! Bring em on.
    Uh, “trust and honesty” may not be the best thing to key on with Joe Wilson, Sandy Berger, Richaard Clarke, and Michael Moore on your side.

  • Hi, Jeff,
    Real naval officers — or anyone who served — won’t associate a salute with a kid saying goodbye to his father 41 years ago.
    Presidential candidates aren’t trying to evoke the images of 3-year-olds.
    I think you’re overlaying something of your own on this which — however authentically it may arise from your own emotional experiences — doesn’t have anything to do with this moment in history.
    History will, of course, take the moment at face value and see what happens from here.

  • shark

    Wow Jeff, that was a bit of an overreach on your part….
    As for the salute, it was pretty lame.

  • Michael

    Charlie:
    If “Joe Wilson, Sandy Berger, Richaard Clarke, and Michael Moore” are the best you can do to undermine Kerry’s trustfulness and honesty after 20 years in politics, the “I will restore trust and credibility to the White House” is going to be a bit hard to shoot down.
    You must admit that some of the purported lies of the Bush administration make Clinton

  • daudder

    Shame on you, Jeff. He has every right to salute…he, unlike so many chicken-hawks earned it. Shame on you.

  • Mike

    As president, I will restore trust and credibility to the White House.”
    – SENATOR JOHN KERRY
    He may not be JFK (who was no great shakes), but the above statement is as strong as bears’ breath! Bring em on.

    Yeah, too bad he took that line from Bush’s acceptance speech of 2000.
    The salute was terrible, he looked ridiculous and I would imagine insulted rather than pleased a number of veterans that were watching.

  • alcibiades

    It made me cringe, too.
    I think for a moment he looked goofy and awkward and uncomfortable doing so; he didn’t have the stage presence to pull it off without self-consciousness. And the “reporting for duty” sounded sophomoresque to my ears; if he’s going to be the C-in-C, he’s reporting for command.
    Let’s not forget that Kerry has been planning for this moment since his teens. His presidential ambitions were obvious in college, according to those who knew him back then. He’s not reporting for duty here. He’s taking aim at a life long goal that’s he’s mythologized into his destiny, viz. the bit about being born in the West Wing. His destiny, evident in the hospital entrails even then.
    Entitlement much?

  • Michael

    Mike:
    That Kerry took the line from Bush’s acceptance speech was precisly the point. Duh.
    Some of the lies alledged against the the Bush administration make Clinton

  • And they thought that man in a blue spacesuit was his “Dukakis Moment”?
    Hype is on the way

  • Michael

    Did anyone notice that, true to Al Hunt’s prediction (among others) in the Wall Street Journal a month ago, the Bush administration reported news that Pakistan arrested a “high value” al Qaeda operative late in the afternoon yesterday? Just in time to preempt and undermine Kerry’s speech and crowd out above-the-fold front page space from Kerry today.
    Talk about scurrilous abuse of government power. These guys definitely play hardball.

  • Catherine

    In John Kerry

  • Catherine

    In John Kerry

  • Jacksback

    The bottom line is the military does not salute civilians….ever. Kerry is an idiot and for him, a war criminal (self admitted), someone who spent his time immediately after 3 months in Viet Nam to libel his fellow soldiers, a man who has spent his time in the Senate to tear down the military, to start marching around and faux saluting…utterly cringe worthy.
    This man is not serious. Not only should he not be the President, he should not be in the Senate.

  • You’re absolutely inclined to see every kind of flaw in John F. Kerry. Can you see how boringly predictable is that?

  • Michael

    Jacksback:
    What Kerry said about Vietnam, while politically incorrect and unpopular and even Kerry himself has tried to escape it, was true. The events he described actually happened, a lot. Whether it’s good to say, is another story. But, no one has refuted that it happened.
    By the way Jack, you’re remarks made just four months from now could very easily be constued as unpatriotic.

  • Otter

    (And don’t for God’s sake raise the issue of Bush saluting; as C-in-C, he’s in the chain of command, and it’s been quite a while since that precedent was established. But even Bill Clinton managed to learn to do it respectably.)
    Those presidential salutes are a Reaganism, and they’ve persisted despite being completely inappropriate in military protocol.

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    Michael, you are a silly ass.
    (1) Enumerate the supposed “lies”. I’m tired of this trope, and given that Bill and Hilary, snopes.com, spinsanity.com, the Annenberg folks, and 9/11 Commission, and the Senate Intel Committee has pretty much validated every one of the common “Bush lied!” lines, I think it’ll be interesting to see if you actually have something real in mind, or are just a parrot.
    (2) There’s been a relatively high value al Qaeda person captured every two or three weeks for months. This guy was “high value” in that he’s been on the top-50 list, but no one in the general public had ever heard of him.
    Given the first fact, the likelihood that someone would be captured within a week or so of the convention was damn near 1. GIven the second fact, and the tiny press it’s gotten, the supposed “July Surprise” is not working out at all well.
    So, you’ve got a couple choices: first, it’s a not very surprising coincidence that was about as insightful as suggesting it might rain in Boston during the convention; or second, that the Bush Administration is so totally in control that they could cause the arrest to happen within a day to two of when they wanted, but then didn’t get someone significant. In other words, we’re back to the Machiavellian genouses who are also idiots theory.

  • Jacksback

    Michael – Prove it. And then explain to me why you intend to vote for an admitted war criminal. Then tell me why you libs are always accusing others of not being patriotic?

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    Oh, and Michael, I don’t think the bunny suit was the “Dukakis moment”. It was the frantic coverup, invocation of malicious intention, and “didn’t know it was loaded” excuses that kept it from being a funny picture and nothing more, and turned it into a “Dukakis Moment”.

  • shark

    I will restore trust and credibility to the White House”
    Most polls show that a high majority of americans feel that Kerry just tells people what they want to hear.
    Something tells me that line is gonna ring just a bit hollow to most people.
    “I voted for the $87 million, before I voted against it”
    “It’s not my SUV, it’s the family SUV”
    Oh, I’m not worried about that line. Mike(Moore??) popped a boner when Kerry said that line, but most Americans are normal, and see it for what it is.
    Did anyone notice that, true to Al Hunt’s prediction (among others) in the Wall Street Journal a month ago, the Bush administration reported news that Pakistan arrested a “high value” al Qaeda operative late in the afternoon yesterday? Just in time to preempt and undermine Kerry’s speech and crowd out above-the-fold front page space from Kerry today.
    Talk about scurrilous abuse of government power. These guys definitely play hardball
    Ah, welcome to moonbat land! Ride the black helicopters! See the “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy!”
    Can you show me an instance where this capture pre-empted the Kerry speech? Can you show me an instance of this capture that crowded out his place on the front page?
    Do you people stop and think before you post?

  • shark

    If “Joe Wilson, Sandy Berger, Richaard Clarke, and Michael Moore” are the best you can do to undermine Kerry’s trustfulness and honesty after 20 years in politics,
    I don’t think “trustfulness” is the right word. he fact that he chooses these proven liars to be his top advisors calls into question his competancy for office.
    Nobody is disputing Kerry’s honesty. He believes everything he says, when he says it. And 2 days later, he believes the opposite of what he said, if it suits him.

  • O’McSomething

    Your long reach is extra long and stretchy today, Jeff.

  • Michael

    Shark:
    “…welcome to moonbat land…”
    The neocon Wall Street Journal is moonbat land? I’ve thought that myself many times about many of their editorials — just not that one.

  • Michael

    After Kerry hit a homerun last night, it appears the right-wing fundementalist facsist fanatics er…I mean, Republicans definately need their medication today.

  • Michael

    I especially enjoyed Kerry’s reference to being a president that believes in science — as opposed to creationism. That must have driven the right-wing fundementalist Christain fanatics nuts.

  • jacksback

    shorter michael: i can’t defend anything i said so i’ll just resort to the tried and true idiot insults. aren’t i clever?

  • Michael

    Charlie:
    I didn’t say Bush lied, I said “alledged lies.” Kerry said he lied — and he’s likely to be your next president. Get ready to salute him, grunt.

  • Michael

    jacksback:
    Relax, I’m just having some fun. You guys rarely respond with anything substative anyway, so what’s the point. Besides, I feel a little giddy today after Kerry hit a homerun last night and knowing there’s a good chance that the facsist fanatics may be evicted from the White House.

  • jacksback

    Hit a homerun? My friend, pick up the VRWC newspaper the NY Times and see what they say. Ah heck let me ruin it for you: Disappointed. And that is why Bush will win. The other side is dilusional.
    Do you even know what a fascist is? Never mind.

  • As the NYT notes, it wasn’t particularly a home run, and there was very little in it that was original. In addition to stealing from W’s acceptance speech, he parroted language from Franklin D. Roosevelt, John F. Kennedy, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, along with Robert F. Kennedy, Wesley Clarke, Abraham Lincoln, even Ron Reagan. He laid out almost nothing of his agenda for the future, and talked about virtually nothing he has accomplished in the last 35 years. Why? Maybe because, as the Times put it, “Mr. Kerry, whose long Senate career has left a string of sometimes contradictory votes, is more vulnerable to charges of inconsistency [than was Dukakis].” He can’t dodge that by claiming to be a “determined skeptic.” He didn’t really tell us what he is going to do, and didn’t tell us what he has done in the past. He basically wasted an hour of my time saying “Vote for me, I’m not SmirkyMcChimpShrubHitler.” I guess that’s good enough for Michael, who’s been drnking a little to much of the F9/11 Kool-Aid.
    And Jeff, I agree, the John-John theory is a stretch. It was just the moronic accompaniment to the moronic “reporting for duty” line. Anyone who would say that, and follow it up with the “I was born in the West Wing” line is unqualified to serve.

  • Geek, Esq.

    What an incredibly lame post. Did this come from the RNC talking points or a caller to Limbaugh?

  • Franky

    For all you philosophy students out there: if everyone (Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, Democratic Underground, Republican Party) is a fascist, then what was Mussolini?

  • Jacksback

    Geek meet Michael, Mikey – Geek (psst – he’s a lawyer, you know like Kedwards).

  • Jacksback

    Franky – A pasta dish? Do i win a T shirt?

  • John-John came to mind to me especially when viewing the picture that had John Kerry saluting with the enlarged image of him saluting in the background.

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    I didn’t say Bush lied, I said “alledged lies.” Kerry said he lied — and he’s likely to be your next president. Get ready to salute him, grunt.
    Son, I don’t salute anyone any more, and as far as calling me “grunt”, I suggest you smile when you say that.
    Now, as I ws saying, I’d like to see an enumeration of the “purported lies”. But I take back what I said about being a parrot.
    I’ve actually known a number of parrots, and they don’t deserve the comparison.

  • pragmatist

    Jackbacks speculated:
    “The bottom line is the military does not
    salute civilians….ever”
    IIRC, it is appropriate for a uniformed
    American military person to salute POTUS.
    A person who is most definitely a CIVILIAN.

  • Michael

    Fred & jacksback:
    >”Speakers at the Democratic convention were told to stay positive, but when John Kerry delivered his acceptance speech last night, his best moments came on the attack. His depiction of a Bush administration that misled the public into war did a fine job of rousing the faithful.”

  • I’ll vote for the guy, but I thought the salute was pure cheese. But much of what goes on at these conventions (rep & Dem alike) is pure, unadulterated cheese.
    If you ever want to convince that the United States is almost entirely devoid of refined taste, just attend any sort of political convention.
    I covered the Young Republicans convention in ’92 (year of their 100 anniversary) as a young conservative when Daddy Bush was running and the cheese coupled with the unchecked/unfailing/uncritical admiration for all things GOP sped me on my way to my current independent/liberal state.

  • Michael

    Charlie:
    “…and as far as calling me “grunt”, I suggest you smile when you say that.”
    Not only was I smiling when I said that, I was laughing.

  • Accusing Kerry of trying to copy John-John? Nitpicking his saluting style? The Dems must be walking in tall cotton if this is the best you guys can come up with.
    And I find it interesting that during the primaries, when Kerry was referencing his Vietnam service and slinging arrows at Bush, the right wing was all, “We don’t want to hear about the past! What’s your plan for the future?” Now, in his acceptance speech, Kerry doesn’t talk about his time in the Senate but instead lays out a vision for the future, and the right wing is screeching, “You didn’t mention anything about the paaaast!”
    Conservatives’ stance on what Kerry should be talking about: Troubling.

  • US has its worst government in decades and the Reps are mad at the Dems and everybody else, isn’t that funny? They’re digging to find John Kerry’s faults but he’s just a senator candidate, while the president who went to war based on wrong evidences (900 american soldiers killed so far and thousands of iraqians) and who let his saudi Bin Laden friends run away without asking even why, is still in his chair claiming more 4 years. Well THAT’s funny. And what they’re willing to discuss? What? What? John Kerry’s salutation. Oh boy.

  • shark

    How can you say Kerry hit a HR? I’ll give you a ground-rule double, but a HR would’ve meant going a bit slower, basking in his applause lines, really letting the crowd shower him in it. A HR also would’ve had some substance to it, which this speech didn’t- as even the NYTimes and WaPo note.
    Even more damaging, snapshot polls taken after the convention say the public still doesn’t really know about him. Now that’s bad news. The undecideds may not want to vote for Bush, but Kerry has yet to give them a reason, and for most of them, that won’t be enough.
    Bring on the Rep. convention!

  • shark

    And I find it interesting that during the primaries, when Kerry was referencing his Vietnam service and slinging arrows at Bush, the right wing was all, “We don’t want to hear about the past! What’s your plan for the future?” Now, in his acceptance speech, Kerry doesn’t talk about his time in the Senate but instead lays out a vision for the future, and the right wing is screeching, “You didn’t mention anything about the paaaast!”
    An intellectually bankrupt statement. You surely understand that the past= 3 months of Vietnam service 30+ years ago is not so germaine to the campaign today whereas the past=John’s Senate record where his stances on the war, defense, taxs etc. are what he has to present to us surely is.
    By the way, what’s Kerry’s plan for the future? He said a lot of things, but no specifics. Hmmmm….

  • onecent

    Doug, here’s Kerry’s vision so far: make nice and capitulate to the French weasel’s interests in the ME, pull our troops out from under Iraq’s new government(needed as an ongoing stabilizing force) asap, raise taxes so the economic recovery and stock market get snuffed, cut the military budget(he never ever voted an increase for it), shelve tort reform, keep the teacher’s union well fed and unchallenged, continue the divisiveness of class and racial baiting….I could keep going, but it’s just too scary.
    But, the biggest damn vision missing from this vacuous man is the most compelling, the big dead elephant lying on the floor, his plan for our safety, countering terrorism and defeating it?
    But maybe, Doug, you know the specifics that I missed? Want to share them with me?

  • Michael

    Shark:
    >How can you say Kerry hit a HR? I’ll give you a ground-rule double, but a HR would’ve meant going a bit slower, basking in his applause lines, really letting the crowd shower him in it. A HR also would’ve had some substance to it, which this speech didn’t- as even the NYTimes and WaPo note. Even more damaging, snapshot polls taken after the convention say the public still doesn’t really know about him. Now that’s bad news. The undecideds may not want to vote for Bush, but Kerry has yet to give them a reason, and for most of them, that won’t be enough. Bring on the Rep. convention!

  • Jacksback

    Pragmatist – Holy cow. The POTUS is also the CinC. The highest military position. Wow.
    Michael – Keep on believing that Bush misled anyone. It’s laughable, but that’s what you libs are good for. Kicking around and laughing at.
    Doug – I listened to his speech. Please elaborate on what Sen Kerry’s plans are. It was like a picture taken with vaseline on the lens. Of course, when it comes to the man “who voted for it, before he voted against it” i’m not shocked.
    Louis – My advice to you is download the 9/11 report and read it. Oh heck, let me ruin it for you: Mikhail Moore’s movie was lies. I know, awful, but if you only, you know, didn’t buy your political sound bites from noted liars, you really wd be better off.
    I’m wondering will all these dem lemmings go marching off a bridge together when Bush wins his deserved second term? I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

  • Michael

    Onecet:
    >”But, the biggest damn vision missing from this vacuous man is the most compelling, the big dead elephant lying on the floor, his plan for our safety, countering terrorism and defeating it?
    Are you still whining

  • Thomas Smith

    John-John and John, first as tragedy them as farce.

  • Michael

    Shark:
    >”It’s laughable, but that’s what you libs are good for. Kicking around and laughing at.”
    I pay you a complement and you respond with something stupid. Okay.
    Fact is Bush did lie us into war, and that’s why he’s going to be tossed from office. Had he not lied, we wouldn’t have invaded Iraq, but he probably would have been a slam-dunk for a second term. But, no. So, you’ll have to suffer under liberal Democrats for the next four to eight years all because that fanatical moron had to lie.
    Shark, you’re doomed to get the government you deserve.

  • Accusing Kerry of trying to copy John-John? Nitpicking his saluting style? The Dems must be walking in tall cotton if this is the best you guys can come up with.
    Hard to see very far, walking in that tall cotton, isn’t it. It’s hardly the best we’ve got; it was just an aside. Kerry had only Nam vets on the stage with him; where are all the others who testified with him before Congress?
    BTW, Geek, Esq, where can I get a copy of those RNC talking points? I’m trying to establish myself as a conservative blogger, and I imagine it might be handy if someone would tell me what to think. Up till now I’ve had to come up with everything on my own.

  • Michael

    triticale:
    Judging from your articulate post, don’t quit your day job — you suck.

  • hen

    Hey Mikey – it was i, not shark, who made that comment on the usefullness of libs.
    Do you know what a lie is? Based on you saying Bush lied to get us into Iraq tells me, no, you don’t know what that word means. Interesting.
    I find it strange how in leftyland words have no meaning. Or should i say words mean whatever you wish them to mean: Lies = Truth, Up = Down, etc. Very confusing.
    But why did Bush go into Iraq? It was a lose lose situation as far as i’m concerned. However Bush has something Kerry and his ilk will never ever have: Strength of his convictions, and the decency to uphold the duties of his office, one of which is to protect us from enemies here and abroad – yes i know you live in a 9/10 world where we just need to “understand” those swarthy types from over there and we’ll all be holding hands and singing campfire songs, but you’ll forgive me for saying Bush did not lie; he did what he believed was in our best interest; history will look very, very favorably on his first (of two) terms; and Kerry despite his posturing is an empty suit, a liar, an opportunist and joke.
    Hey it’s been a lot of fun knocking you around, but you’ll excuse me if i don’t waste any more time with you.

  • kk

    Once again, the John-John reference cracked me up. Lighten up, folks. It is funny regardless of your political persuasion.

  • Honestly, I didn’t see it when I was watching the speech. But I’ll give you credit, the pics are certainly eerily similar.

  • onecent

    Fact is Bush did lie us into war…..
    Get a grip, Michael, even the liberal WaPo has had to backtrack on that mantra….” No, the evidence is not conclusive. But neither did President Bush invent it.” Here are two more articles refuting the idiot canard that Bush lied.
    Michael, do you have any idea of how enbarassingly stupid the “Bush lied” mantra has become?
    Either return with facts or get in your car with the “Bush Lied” bumpersticker and drive into blissful ignorance without more utterances to reason and fact based people.

  • As a former miltary man (who by the way served in Viet Nam (for 4 months)), he knows full well that civilians don’t give a military salute.
    If by some incredibly bad stroke of luck, he gets to be President, we’ll look the other way and say, OK, Commander-in-Chief, but till then, if he wants to salute he should get back in the Navy.

  • “Well, Senator, we know JFK; JFK was a friend of ours; Senator, you’re no JFK.”
    John Forbes Kerry may be no Jack Kennedy, but he is a JFK, strictly speaking.

  • onecent

    Try this as a working link to the WaPo editorial.

  • I like the way your memory works. What is sad is “John-John” was doing his best to say good bye to his dad…and for 3years of age, that’s a damn fine salute..and one that was as respectfull as you would ever hope to find, and to return.
    Kerry on the other hand…well words used in polite company escape me…and I won’t annoy you with invectives….I would return his salute with the same one we would give young ensigns and such…but that one only involved the use of one finger.

  • I posted a similar shot the day before featuring JFKerry(D)’s obsession:
    http://www.danegerus.com/weblog/Comments.asp?svComment=5369
    but I have questions about JFKerry(D)’s film:
    http://www.danegerus.com/weblog/Comments.asp?svComment=5373

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    Accusing Kerry of trying to copy John-John? Nitpicking his saluting style? The Dems must be walking in tall cotton if this is the best you guys can come up with.
    Oh, no. If I were looking to insult Kerry in detail, I’d go more with “lying, self-aggrandizing, seditious, cowardly gigolo who desperately tries to imitate Jack Kennedy because he doesn’t actually have any personality, political opinions, or ideals of his own beyond ‘I wanna live in the big house there.'”

  • I have to agree with Citizen Keith who said: “You mean if somebody salutes, they are referencing John-John??”
    Good rhetorical question. Think about it.

  • I’ve been waiting for a Bush commercial to use that line. America knows JFK. JFK was a friend of ours, and you sir, are no JFK. And when the line is delivered, show that picture of Kerry testifying about how horrible soldiers in Viet Nam were, etc.

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    Fact is Bush did lie us into war,….
    Michael, if that’s true, you shouldn’t have any trouble enumerating some of those lies.. The last time I asked, you hid behind the claim that you’d said “alledged [sic]” lies — you actually said “purported”, but what the hell, lightning and lightning bug, it’s all the same.
    Still, I’d love to see you enumerate some of these lies. You should be able to do it easily.
    Put up or shut up.

  • Jimoz

    I didn’t connect to the John-john salute at first, although I remember it well. I seemed more Shirley Temple

  • Jacksback – Please, give me better arguments, have a point, don’t just scarf out the same old “911 is all lie” or anything. I SWEAR I’m open to believe yo radicals-reps are smart and can make a good second term. I just can’t stand this kind of “manich

  • Jacksback

    Well, Louis, since you are not asking me a coherent question i’ll just ignore your spewing. Thanks.

  • Once I predicted the content of your “new” comment, you’re speechless. I think it’s better this way too.

  • Ok, now I’m just using your routine. It doesn’t work, see? We’re getting nowhere. I REALLY would like to hear good points, other than Michael Moore’s bad-pointed flaws, other than Kerry’s salutation (oh Gosh, I just can’t believe Jeff actually wrote a post about it, it’s so dumb). If you’re able to recognize Bush’s worst faults, maybe we can get a conversation. What about that?

  • Jacksback

    Louis – You are a moron: Bush went to war based on “wrong evidences”?? Hello? The UK, Israeli, French, UN, Egypt, Kuwait, SA, etc ALL had the same intel and Kerry voted for war based on this intel. And here is the dirty little secret: The intel, with the exception of stock piles of WMD’s, was all good.
    Your points about Bin Laden’s family skating away is nothing more then the mastabatory fantasies of MM and his ilk. Read the 9/11 commission.
    Then when you can ask a coherent and reasonable question which hasn’t been answered satisfactory a million times already, by all means ask. But for now you’re just spewing shit and making a fool of yourself.

  • There’s no way to build a conversation with you, Jacksback, thanks for showing me so clearly. I’m just wondering when Vatican is going to sanctify George W Bush. (you didn’t accept my purpose to talk about your president, that’s what matters, not mr. Kerry’s salutation). Seeya November 2nd.

  • Jacksback

    Shorter Louis: If i can’t spew lies and have you just accept them as the gospel, what’s the point?
    Yes what is the point indeed?
    At least now i can ignore this thread.