God and the White House

God and the White House

: Ron Reagan had a message as he talked about his father at his burial tonight. He said his father was an unabashedly religious man who did not make the mistake of other politicians: wearing his religion on his sleeve to win votes. When he was shot and almost killed, Ron said, his father saw it as God’s wish that he stay and do good. “He accepted that as a responsibility and not as a mandate — and there is a big difference.”

  • Howard Owens

    I’ve always thought there are two groups of people that distort Reagan’s positions — leftist and the reglious right. The left turns him into a starw devil to the point of comedy; the religious right turns him into a moral majority icon, which he was not.

  • http://www.englishandwhite.com/id8.html RattlerGator

    I could have done without that comment; it seemed entirely inappropriate to me.
    Don’t lecture Americans, young Mr. Reagan, while giving your father’s remembrance. That was a bad move that I doubt his father would have made.

  • http://twistedspinster.com/ Andrea Harris

    Well, that’s why the father was president and the son was not. I also wondered who he was talking about here.

  • http://www.rluxemburg.com fiat lux

    It was his father, not yours. For all we know, his father might have agreed with what Ron Jr said.

  • http://twistedspinster.com/ Andrea Harris

    Sure, fiat. For all we know, there really might be Catwomen on the Moon.

  • http://www.mythusmage.com/mythusmageopines Alan Kellogg

    Trust some to take a tribute and cast it as condemnation.

  • Walter Wallis

    This was better than we learned to expect from Ron – and even then he apparently said something about Bush last week that showed his apple rolled quite a ways, downhill, from the tree.

  • Jason — USA

    yea i thought when Ron the son said that…it was the wrong place and the wrong time.
    it kinda offended me…cause President Reagan often quoted the bible and OFTEN said “god bless america”…how is this NOT wearing his faith on his sleeve??? Reagan obviously also tried to create an anti Roe v Wade Supreme Court.
    this is hardly different or less than what the current President Bush has been doing. (is it the stem cell issue that offends young Ron? cause Reagan who was against abortion…would presumably take the same policy stance!)
    and i’m pretty sure people KNEW back then that Reagan prayed A LOT…and yet people criticize Bush for doing this…even going so far as to claiming that “Jesus tells him what to do.”…which is ridiculous.
    Bush in interviews has clearly said that he does not act on whatever Jesus “tells” him. he bases his decisions on the information he has at hand (Iraq, taxes, etc.)

  • Jason — USA

    and he also mentioned the votes issue? well Bush has also CLEARLY indicated that he didn’t just become a Christian or someone who shared his faith just to “get votes.” you talk to anyone that knew Bush and how he came about this and they will tell you he did it because he believed in it…not because of political reasons.

  • Jason — USA

    what did Ron say last week about Bush?

  • Menlo Bob

    It is kind of humorous to hear young Ron speaking on behalf of his father’s religious beliefs. Recently I heard him talk about his own rejection of those beliefs. Seems as if young Ron has no objection to showing a bit of religious sleeve as long as it advances his views.

  • Retread

    Not that I’m defending Ron’s remark, but the politician who wore his religon on his sleeve to win votes most recently was Kerry, taking communion. Atleast that’s who I thought of as the words came out of Ron’s mouth. You know, John F. Kerry who had to put in an appearance at the library in Simi Valley before the official, national service in DC. He didn’t make it to the DC service did he?

  • http://www.englishandwhite.com/id8.html RattlerGator

    The point (for me) is not that he was slamming a Republican or a Democrat.
    It was inappropriate, period.
    And I may be completely barking up the wrong tree, but I think he inadvertently provided us a window into a continuing source of family dysfunction for the remaining Reagan’s. Compare and contrast his remarks with that of his half-brother. Hmmmmm. Michael proudly proclaimed that the greatest gift from his father was what?
    Christian faith.
    “I can’t think of a better gift for a father to give a son. And I hope to honor my father by giving my son Cameron and my daughter Ashley that very same gift he gave to me.”
    He went on to say he looked forward to that day when he, his father, and his sister Maureen would meet again.
    And then . . . Ron gets up and dares to lecture God only knows who about wearing one’s faith on one’s sleeve.
    Strange and inappropriate comment on many different levels.

  • Natalie

    Did Ron even sense the irony of his saying this line while burying his father…the original misunderestimated, too-religious cowboy?

  • http://blogs.rny.com/sbw/ sbw

    > “He accepted that as a responsibility and not as a mandate — and there is a big difference.”
    Hmm. Everyone’s commenting around a lesson worth appreciating.

  • lk

    Some will consider Ron a traitor, and ask “Why does Ron hate America?” I’m not. Good camment.

  • http://leatherpenguin.com/MT TC-LeatherPenguin

    Hey, Gator:
    Your father was an idiot who should have kept it in his pants that day.
    See? THAT is inappropriate.
    It was his father’s wake. He wasn’t talking to you. Now nip off and watch “American Idol.”

  • Jason — USA

    yea…Michael’s remarks…MOST CERTAINLY contrasts with Ron’s ridiuculous veiled slam at Bush. i mean an ADOPTED son who seemed to show more in common with Reagan than his biological son speaks volumes. Michael clearly expressed an APPRECIATION of his Christian faith…but Ron seemed to resent this!

  • Jason — USA

    and i have to say NOWHERE has Bush said he has some sort of “mandate from God” or anything like this…he may appreciate and cherish his faith and share it…but have you ever seen him trying to convert Muslims, or Jews, or atheists? he hasn’t. so if people are some how offended at Bush’s expression of faith…then i have to say you are some messed up person.

  • http://www.englishandwhite.com/id8.html RattlerGator

    Hey, TC:
    Oh, how I love a witty bitty penguin.

  • http://www.davidmsc.com david

    I’m no fan of Ron The Son, but it was HIS father, and it was HIS honor/duty/role to speak at the funeral of HIS father.
    He had the right to say whatever he felt appropriate. We were only onlookers, and can not know what conversations the father and son had over the years, or the true meaning of what Ron Jr. said. It was between him, his father, and his family.

  • Michael Zimmer

    We were only onlookers…
    How true. I felt bad for the lack of privacy afforded the Reagans in their grieving. Even Friday’s final ceremony in California – which was listed in the TV listings as a private ceremony – was broadcast live on all networks. As poignant as it was to see Nancy’s last moments with Reagan’s coffin, it should’ve been a private moment – I should not have been able to see it.

  • Retread

    Michael Zimmer, I, too, wondered about that final, private ceremony being broadcast. That it obviously took Nancy Reagan’s agreement for it to happen implies to me that there may have been some further good-bye by the family that was truly private. Given the number of guests invited to the library, even with out the cameras what we watched was not what I think of as private.
    For all the comments about Ron, Jr.’s remark, I think the Reagan family behaved above reproach during such a public mourning. They have my admiration.

  • shark

    I agree w/ Michael Zimmer….I turned away when I saw that final shot of Nancy on the coffin. By all standards of decency, that should’ve not been on TV, but that was the “money shot” I suppose.
    I remember when Ron Reagan had his short lived TV show, and Limbaugh was part of the panel. In regards to a point, Limbaugh started talking about the legacy of Reagan, and Ron said something to the effect of “why don’t you answer and I’ll worry about the legacy of Reagan?” to which Limbaugh quipped “Why? You never have before?”
    You could just see Ron Reagan’s face get that stone anger look while Limbaugh has the sh*t eating grin…….TV is great!

  • Reid

    To be perfectly honest, my reverence is reserved for Ronald Reagan the man only. Nancy and her brood have always struck me as more than a little goofy. And, I’ll never forgive her for holding up her husband (and our country) to worldwide ridicule by consulting an astrologer (an astrologer!) to plan his schedule.