We cannot leave

We cannot leave
: John McCain on Today this morning said we must win Iraq; we cannot lose. We cannot leave. We could leave Vietnam and Somalia and Beirut. We cannot leave Iraq.

Amen.

  • Cannalee2

    We can’t leave Iraq yet–not enough of our sons and daughters have died.

  • http://www.needlenose.com Swopa

    I wonder if people were saying “failure is not an option” as they boarded the last helicopters out of Saigon.
    To paraphrase something I read the other day, self-righteous blustering, like hope, is not a plan.

  • wantthe$87billionback

    McCain should have stayed in the ‘tiger pit’-he’s obviously left his sanity back there 30 years ago.

  • http://www.hfienberg.com/kesher/ Yehudit

    “I wonder if people were saying “failure is not an option” as they boarded the last helicopters out of Saigon.”
    If they had said it earlier there would not have to be last helicopters with desperate refugees clinging to them, nor boat people.

  • wag

    We must destroy the village to save it.

  • onecent

    We must destroy the village to save it.
    Can’t you do better than trotting our that pathetic old canard, circa Vietnam, ridiculous in the face of facts and present situation?
    There has been almost no damage to Iraq’s infrastructure, including the revenue generating oil fields. No food shortages. No tens of thousands in refugee camps. Very few civilian deaths. No mass demonstrations by normal citizens, except Iranian instigated religious fanatics. Iraq has a population of 22.6 million. It’s pretty logical that the vast majority that aren’t terrorist or unrepentant Baathists just want a decent democratic life for themselves and their kids.
    There has been nothing even approaching heavyhandedness by US forces during and following the war. The surrendering army was sent home. Curfews were short and judicious. People move about freely. Saddam will stand trial in a democratic manner. The Marines were hesitent to return fire on a mosque today(see the WaPo today), for God’s sakes.
    Bottom line: pathetic one-liners are cheap shots. Got any content worth uttering?

  • http://www.needlenose.com Swopa

    “I wonder if people were saying “failure is not an option” as they boarded the last helicopters out of Saigon.”
    If they had said it earlier there would not have to be last helicopters with desperate refugees clinging to them, nor boat people.
    Well, I guess we’ve hit at the root of the problem here. You see, Yehudit, if they had said it earlier (and for all I know, they did), it would have made NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever.
    Why? Because it’s just words. McCain, or Bremer, or whoever might as well be saying “I wish I had a pony.”
    What will make a difference is having a course of action which, when followed, keeps you from failing. Key prerequisites here would include a plan and the resources to carry it out. Neither of which are in evidence in Iraq right now.
    Which is why failure is not only an option, it’s steadily becoming the odds-on probability. And the mantra-like repetition of empty slogans like “failure is not an option” does nothing to change that.

  • onecent

    Seems to me Swopa, that the occupation administration and military have changed their plans to counter the current situation in Iraq. And they aren’t just mouthing words.
    War and occupation aren’t tidy. Sporadic events happen by definition. That’s what is happening now in Iraq. You seem very invested today’s headlines as some defining moment. You want to chance that today’s headline is even memorable in one year?
    Not you, my friend, but the Iraqis, the vast majority not hassling the Marines, just planning for a normal life post-Saddam, will decide whose mantra was an empty slogan.

  • Insufficiently Sensitive

    Nothing unusual in some hopeful tyrant-in-waiting attempting an uprising in a freshly conquered country – the Germans did it for some time after 1945. More power to Kerry’s ‘fake coalition’ forces (notice that the Poles did in a high-value target yesterday?) in their opportunities to eliminate the hotheads.
    And sucks to Kerry’s blather about Sadr being some sort of legitimate voice, as if he was just another sarcastic old potbellied Senator.

  • Reid

    The fact of the matter is that we have arrived at the crunch time. The thoughtful among us knew it would happen as the June 30 deadline approached. On the one hand, I am glad that Al Sadr has, perhaps, struck too early. It gives us a good opportunity to eliminate the only Shiite obstacle to democratic rule. If we can clean up Fallujah, too, we will soon be in a very good position, indeed.
    However, nothing is certain. It all depends on what kind of help we get from the Iraqi people. If they support us, they will soon be on the road to having a sovereign and secure nation, the pearl of the Middle East, a functioning democracy with rights guaranteed for all. The value of such a nation in the heart of the Middle East for the US, and indeed the world, is incalculable.
    If they do not support us, the situation could degenerate into a free-for-all and, all of the warnings of the frivolous people who think nothing is ever worth attempting could come true. So far, they have been wrong at every turn but, it has not made them humble.
    No matter what happens, it can be no worse geopolitically than the situation that prevailed before the war. The situation with Saddam was bad and getting worse. He was about to break out of the sanctions regime and, only a fool (of which we have far to many and to spare) would believe that he would not have soon been back up to his past aggressive ways.
    But, “no worse” is not “better”. The climax of the drama approaches and, we wait on the edge of our seats to learn the outcome. It is a time for sober reflection.
    God bless our troops. God bless our Commander in Chief. God bless the United States of America.

  • http://politicaljunkie.blogspot.com john marzan

    McCain should have stayed in the ‘tiger pit’-he’s obviously left his sanity back there 30 years ago.
    Be nice to your future Dem VP candidate, please!

  • Ga-ne-sha

    “Failure is not an option” is a fact, not a bluster, Swopa. Your thinking is so strange. No one says it is a “plan”, as you intimate. On the other hand, there are many elements of the plan which are obvious. You want them to not exist merely because you say so. That is not a plan for analyzing our situation, making things disappear or alter just because you say so, one feature of spin, and the actual Liberal thought process.
    So, it is you, Swopa, who operates on the model that your strange thinking makes whatever you think the case. Slogans and mantras are your currency, and lies. Have a good look at the mirror.