What a twit

What a twit
: I was already glad that Howard Dean lost. But, you know, the guy manages to remind me of how glad I am:

Former Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean said yesterday that President Bush’s decision to send troops to Iraq appears to have contributed to the bombing deaths of 201 people in Spain….

Dean referred to the videotape when asked whether he was linking US troops in Iraq to the deaths in Spain.

“That was what they said in the tape,” Dean said. “They made that connection, I’m simply repeating it.”

Dean made the remarks during a conference call with reporters as he was defending his former rival John F. Kerry, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, from a Bush campaign ad. The ad accused Kerry of turning his back on US soldiers fighting in Iraq.

Dean said it is the president who has not supported the troops. He said Bush sent soldiers to Iraq unequipped, misled the country on the reasons for war, and made the United States less safe by focusing on a target that wasn’t a threat.

And, he said, “The president was the one who dragged our troops to Iraq, which apparently has been a factor in the death of 200 Spaniards over the weekend.”

Dean issued a statement later to The Associated Press that said, “Let me be clear, there is no justification for terrorism. Today I was simply repeating what those who have claimed responsibility for the bombings in Spain said was the reason they carried out that despicable act.”

And they also say we are the devil; should you repeat that?

This man was never the stuff of the presidency. Thank goodness the voters are so smart.

  • http://www.texasnative.com/weblog/blogger.html Jalal Abu Jarhead

    This is now the second time that this moron has repeated unfounded twaddle, and then scurried behind the fa

  • Larry Brown

    This man (Dean) was never the stuff of the presidency.
    And neither is Kerry.
    Great speech today by Cheney. He ripped Kerry to shreds. Kerry has Dukasis(sp?) written all over him. Perhaps we should pull that old tank photo op into Photoshop and add Kerry in the background chasing after the tank with a bunch of papers.
    This is all you need to know about the race.
    Bush = All American, Apple Pie, Baseball
    vs.
    Kerry = Grey Poupon Dijon Mustard, Limo Liberal
    The pundits are always wrong, and this race will not be close, it will be a BUSH landslide.

  • Ripclawe

    Kerry is going to regret ever bringing in Dean to be his attack dog, while he stay above it all.

  • michael

    “Kerry is going to regret ever bringing in Dean to be his attack dog, while he stay above it all.”
    Why? This seems like a good strategy; Kerry can separate himself from anything Dean says that backfires.
    And, once again, I struggle at how we’re supposed to rationally discuss these issues when many of these presumably-intelligent people posting their reactions resort to childish name-calling. How exactly does refering to Dean as a twit, moron or nincompoop add to our discussion?

  • Blue Eyed Devil

    If he continues to mouth off he’ll be offered a beer brand of his own. “Howie Beer” I’m just repeating what I heard. Don’t hold me to it.
    Tim

  • Dan Herzlich

    Unfortunately, Dean has never developed the ability to engage two organ systems: mouth & brain, simultaneously.
    DH

  • Ripclawe

    “Why? This seems like a good strategy; Kerry can separate himself from anything Dean says that backfires.”
    This is a bad strategy for him, because then Kerry is going to be running around trying to clean up after Dean’s verbal messes.

  • Doctor Slack

    In other news, the people claiming to have carried out the Madrid bombing have endorsed Bush for re-election.
    Man, I can’t wait to watch The Base spin this one…

  • miguel

    funny how you guys, being initially highly supporitve for Dean, you are now stabbing him in the back.

  • onecent

    Hey, folks, noticing the deterioration of honest dialogue on Jeff’s site, just scroll down and witness the heavyhanded hijacking of comments by the tag team browbeatings of Slack, Robert, Miguel, Diana and the rest of the DU crew, it’s time to decide if responding to them is encouraging their behavior.
    This was a nice site with thoughtful postings by Jeff. It deserves better.
    And as this comment section fills up with their hyperbole and stupid Bush bashing memes without factual basis,I’ll stand corrected if others think I’m wrong.
    It’s time to take back rational dialogue by ignoring them.

  • http://www.buzzmachine.com Jeff Jarvis

    Thanks, onecent.

  • Jim C.

    michael posted:

    And, once again, I struggle at how we’re supposed to rationally discuss these issues when many of these presumably-intelligent people posting their reactions resort to childish name-calling. How exactly does refering to Dean as a twit, moron or nincompoop add to our discussion?

    Just curious, have you ever raised this objection when people refer to Bush as Shrub, Chimp, and other terms? If not, why not? Or have you ever used such terms?
    from Slack’s link:

    it was not possible to find a leader “more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom.”

    Let’s see, people who blow things up say Bush is foolish for using force. Why spin something that’s already self-destructed?

  • Trump

    YAWN…Dr. Slacks intellectual dishonesty is getting tiresome. I look forward to him going on suicide watch once Bush wins reelection…

  • http://mithras.blogs.com Mithras

    The right-wing spin on Spain is that the Socialist victory is a win for al Qaeda because they “forced” Spain to withdraw its troops from Iraq.
    So, the right-wingers say al Qaeda attacked Spain because of the Iraq invasion … and that’s good. But Howard Dean says al Qaeda attacked Spain because of the Iraq invasion … and that makes him a “twit.”
    You know, eventually you people have to grow up and actually deal honestly with people you disagree with, rather than just smearing them at every opportunity.
    By the way, Jarvis, quoting a Nedra Pickler story. I mean, have you not been paying attention?

  • http://blogalization.org Colin

    All right, let me join the chorus of Dean-bashers. It certainly doesn’t do the antiwar cause any good to have the most prominent opponent of the war speak out with all the measured statesmanship of a psychotic wombat in menopause. This is worse PR than Jimmy Carter puking during that 10k and getting attacked by that rabbit. On the other hand, this memetic wave of “Spain appeases terrorists” spin on the elections there is equally stupid and pernicious. The vast majority of Spaniards never supported the war, so they voted the hawkish Aznar out. Is that so hard to understand? It should happen here. Of course, the PSOE may be the same sort of opportunistic Juanitos-come-lately to the peace party as John Kerry is accused of being, according to Spanish friends. But look, we haven’t squashed the terrorists responsible for 9-11 yet, and in fact, we’ve opened up a booming (pun intended) new market for them to ply their trade in by taking over a country with porous borders whose security we can’t seem to provide for, and whose selection as a strategic priority appears more and more questionable. In the process, we’ve spotted our old CIA-sponsored friends among the mountain-dwelling beardos of the mujahhedin the home-field advantage and wasted a lot of the tax dollars promised to New York City for reconstruction and never delivered. Bring me the head of Osama bin Laden and a return to $1.50 subway fares already and I will cease my ranting and go back to exercising my God-given right as an American to political indifference.

  • http://tvh.rjwest.com HH

    “In other news, the people claiming to have carried out the Madrid bombing have endorsed Bush for re-election.”
    Please Brer Fox, don’t throw me in that briar patch!

  • http://tvh.rjwest.com HH

    Dean oughta try going on Russert a 2nd time where he will be asked if he believes Bush is to blame for the attacks because he went to war in Afghanistan. After all, it’s on the tape.
    Mithras – Way to strip the arguments of any context whatsoever. Good job.

  • http://mithras.blogs.com Mithras

    Thanks, HH. “Context” in conservaspeak means “Calvinball”.
    And good job going to every blog in the world with the same lame quip.

  • Franky

    I’m simply astounded that Jeff would say “thanks” to a poster who argues that a whole group of posters should be ignored. Look maybe there’s something I’m missing and “Slack, Robert, Miguel, Diana and the rest of the DU crew” have been slandering everyone else’s mothers when I’ve not seen it, but I’ve always seen them as non-abusive in their replies even when responding to highly insulting posts from….well you guessed who it would be.
    So Jeff are you now scared of being forced to defend your assertions as well? I really don’t get it: what is there to fear from a debate (again I repeat that as far as I’ve seen has been carried in a respectful manner)?
    Jeff, again unless I’m missing something, it puts all your support for freedom of speech as a bunch of hooey. Intrinsic in the idea of freedom of speech for me is an arena where ideas are fought out. “The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account.” -Walter Lippmann. The man who wrote that would not recognise the sentiments expressed by onecent nor endorsed by Jeff.
    I mean and onecent what the hell are you talking about? You want a debate that revolves around what? War on Terror: do we invade Iran or Syria next?

  • http://www.buzzmachine.com Jeff Jarvis

    Franky: I say thanks to a call to raise the discourse and not depend on insult to make a point. I don’t want to ignore the people or their points but I do want to ignore it when talk gets insulting or inane because when it stays on real points, the conversation here is great.

  • Franky

    Then I entirely agree.
    If the criteria is personal attacks, then I’ll happily take up onecent’s call on ignoring people.

  • standa

    You completely missed what the message to Bush is from Zapatero and the people of Spain
    Let me spell it out for you
    1. Perhaps Europeans do want to get serious about terrorism and the Spanish decided the 1st step would be to get off this impending TRAIN WRECK of a US policy.
    2. People in almost every other country in the rest of the world were very DUBIOUS about what the REAL MOTIVATIONS for Iraq were.
    3. Whatever else they thought of the Iraq war, very few people in Europe saw any real logic to the TERROR WAR = IRAQ WAR equation.
    4. I think an increasing number of Americans believe that Bush MAY HAVE NOT TOLD THE TRUTH about why he went to war with Iraq. And when the president of the United States has PROBLEMS WITH CREDIBILITY that brings his RE-ELECTIBILITY into question.
    5. Spain THREW OUT Aznar for the same reason we will THROW OUT Bush in November. We are TIREDof Bush’s flaming MENDACITY and MANIPULATIONS OF THE FACT that Iraq DID NOT EQUAL TERRORISM.

  • Doctor Slack

    I say thanks to a call to raise the discourse and not depend on insult to make a point.
    Mmm-hmm. Then it’s pretty curious that you’re saying “thanks” to onecent. But hey, it’s your blog. Enjoy your contradictions.
    (And I notice the list of posters he feels threatened by is growing steadily. Excellent sign for the diversity of opinion in your comments section.)
    Let’s see, people who blow things up say Bush is foolish for using force.
    Interesting. Do you mean to tell me you’re going to appease al-Qaeda by trying to vote in the government they claim to want? Or are you telling me that people shouldn’t vote based on what al-Qaeda claims to want?

  • http://www.needlenose.com Swopa

    I say thanks to a call to raise the discourse and not depend on insult to make a point.
    But that wasn’t what onecent said, was it? He said to ignore posts by people whose views he disagreed with.
    Because, as Franky notes, by any objective standard the more personally abusive and insult-laden comments have been posted by onecent and those who agree with him.
    In essence, onecent’s message was, “Hey guys, they’re not being scared off by the insults; let’s just cover our ears and pretend we can’t hear them.”
    And that’s what Jeff endorsed, in between posts praising the interactivity created by blogging. And so it goes.

  • Franky

    I really don’t want to play the part of pcp-addicted felon, but “can’t we all get along?”
    Let’s forget about the past insults by anyone and just judge people on their future actions. I, for one, will immediately be ignoring any person who indulges in unprovoked personal insults.

  • A Fish

    Look at it this way: at least he can convince Deaniacs that Kerry is the best nominee. He’s indirectly telling them “see, George Bush would have creamed me in November”.
    Also he is giving Kerry an opportunity to appear sane and moderate.
    He’s a gaffe-prone goof, but I still love the guy.

  • O’McSomething

    Goll Dang iI! I never get on the good ignore lists. I realize I’ve been out of the country lately and off blog, but gosh it would have been an honor just to be nominated for past performances.