Healthy anger

Healthy anger
: After 9/11, I remember a nation — and especially a city — utterly stunned, in shock, silent except for grief and fear.

Spain is reacting differently: with anger. God bless them.

Sadly, the shock and surprise of these tragedies is gone after 9/11 and Bali and now 3/11.

Anger is the sane response.

Chanting “Cowards” and “Killers,” millions of protestors packed rainswept streets across Spain on Friday condemning the country’s worst ever guerrilla attack which killed at least 199 people.

Spain’s Crown Prince Felipe headed the main Madrid march with Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar and opposition leader Juan Luis Rodriguez Zapatero to demonstrate national unity a day after what was also Europe’s bloodiest bomb attack in 15 years….

“It isn’t raining, Madrid is crying!” chanted some protestors in a column of more than 2 million marchers which filled Madrid’s main thoroughfare under a sea of umbrellas for more than two miles. The city came to a standstill.

Spain’s El Mundo estimated that more than 11 million of Spain’s 42.7 million people participated in marches across the country.

I only wish I could march alongside them, our allies.

This is everybody’s war.

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    >This is everybody’s war.
    It always has been. It’s just too bad we don’t have someone competent enough to lead it.

  • Tonto

    John Forbes Kerry will decide his preferred course of action as soon as all relevant data are available and internationally verified.

  • http://www.bopnews.com MattS

    This is a war of moderates against extremists.

  • scott orrell

    There’s Robert again, “lifting the truth from the cesspool of partisan politics.”
    You’re a poser, dude. And you only harm your cause. Whatever cause that (really)is.

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    Scott;
    What part of what I said do you have a problem with? Everyone is and always has been in support of the war on terror. The right whingers say otherwise because they have equated opposition to the war on terror with opposition to the war in Iraq.
    As for the competency bit, give me an example of a Bush success. I don’t see many of them, but I do see lots of failures. So why should I have faith in him that he is competent to lead the war on terror?

  • http://twistedspinster.com/ Andrea Harris

    Perhaps you would like to lead it, Robbie. Come on, smart boy, tell us, WWRD? (What Would Robbie Do?)

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    Yeah, Robert. You’ve shown occasional flashes of having a little bit of sense; do it again. Tell us what wizardly thing you’d do?

  • Sortelli

    I know… Let’s arrest all the terrorists!

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    >What Would Robbie Do?
    I would start by listening to the ideas presented by the other leaders of the world instead of thinking that I was the only one who had the right solution to the problem. Bush and company don’t listen to any opinions but their own and you freepers crap on any opinions that don’t come from directly from Dear Leader or a right whinge pundit.

  • onecent

    Just give us the name of the man whose better policies and actions regarding terrorism will deliver us from Bush’s failures, Robbie.
    No need to write a polemic, just a name.

  • http://twistedspinster.com/ Andrea Harris

    Genius! You’re my hero! Why — I can see the same openness to the ideas of others in every comment you make! I can just tell you would never be the sort of guy who “only had the right solution to the problem.” You are the wind beneath all of our wings. Whatever would we do without your words of wisdom to guide us through this vale of tears we call life?

  • http://www.thebigdog.cjb.net Big Dog

    The other leaders of the world that actually have decided to fight on our side in this war are–surprise!–siding with Bush. The ones that you apparently think we should listen to are the ones who have been actively supporting the other side. I have no interest in listening to their hypocrisy.

  • http://mithras.blogs.com Mithras

    Spain is reacting differently: with anger. God bless them.
    Yes, they certainly are. And they have been angry:
    Spaniards reacted furiously last year when Aznar aligned himself with President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to support the U.S.-led invasion.
    The conventional wisdom ahead of Sunday’s election is that Aznar’s conservative Popular Party will be rewarded at the polls if Spaniards accept the government assertion pointing at ETA. … But if people see al-Qaida’s hand in the carnage, Spaniards might view the attacks as retribution for Aznar’s Iraq policy and punish the Popular Party.
    Don’t those Spanish people know when they should just do what Bush tells them?

  • capt joe

    Mithras,
    Oh yes, evil bush, the great JFK will be the salvation of us all. We know exactly where he stands or rather where he did yesterday. And although everyday before that was different, his firm grasp of the complex nuances allows him to stand on every side of an issue.

  • Mustapha

    *YAWN* Is it over yet, this pity-fest over a few white people dead, while our thousands of collateral damage recipients of “freedom bombs” lie in their graves, unremembered and unknown?
    Wake me up when its time to feel sorry for the next recruits in the grand Crusade against Terror.
    And all hail Bush, the uniter of the Muslim world! The man has succeeded in bringing us together where we ourselves have failed since the breakup of the Caliphate 80 years ago.

  • Mustapha

    I’m so sorry, that last post was entirely too contrite in tone. Does anybody have the Spanish Embassy’s address? I want to send them my, um, condolences. Do you think they’ll empathise more or less with Muslim dead now that they have suffered a (very little) bit themselves

  • Jeff B.

    Jeff Jarvis has way more forbearance than I would, Mustapha. I would have banned your sorry a$$ long ago.

  • capt joe

    Mustaphy, my condolences on the lost of your great Saladin, your lion of Islam, Saddam. Whatever will you do? Give us your address and I will send you a wooden box of my, um, condolences. Ted had a wonderful way of expressing sentiments.

  • kelly

    Oh, for God’s sake, after reading the news from Spain tonight, this is ridiculous. Apparently, Robert can’t recognize a democratic constitution in Iraq as being a “success” (Reuters scare quotes intended), Mithras believes that Spain deserves this because Aznar supported the US in Iraq, and Mustapha, … well, who the hell knows what his point was. What, are they selling blinders as the new hot accessory this spring?

  • Jeff B.

    Oh yeah, and why am I not surprised that Robert’s only proffered strategy for fighting the War on Terror is to “listen to our European allies?” Robert, we didn’t ask you what you thought other people would recommend we do. We asked you to detail how you would PROSECUTE the War on Terror. (And lest the word ‘prosecute’ be willfully misconstrued, that isn’t an invitation to treat 9/11 as a law-enforcement issue.)
    Robert, Damian Penny had your number long ago. Now you’re merely playing out the string.

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    I would start by listening to the ideas presented by the other leaders of the world instead of thinking that I was the only one who had the right solution to the problem.
    Cool, Robert.
    Which ideas?
    If you know that there are other people who have better ideas, you must know who they are, and what the ideas are. We’re waiting to be enlightened, Robert.
    What are these ideas that you think would be better?

  • Richard Aubrey

    Jeff, you missed the anger immediately after 911?
    C’mon.
    The only excuse is that the professionally wonderful, the therapeutic masseurs of the public consciousness monopolized the media.
    Everybody was mad. Really mad.
    But Americans know that marching–unless it’s an approach march–doesn’t accomplish much.
    We checked our first aid kits, our ammo, and started paying attention.
    And when Bush said somebody was going to hear from us shortly, we cheered.
    Pay attention.

  • http://mithras.blogs.com Mithras

    Mithras believes that Spain deserves this because Aznar supported the US in Iraq
    Christ on a broken crutch, can no one here follow a logical thread?
    Here we go. Everyone ready?
    1. Jarvis avers the Spanish people are angry about the bombings. Grrrr. See how angry they are.
    2. Jarvis implies that the Spanish people will now unite with, um, people like you in wanting to go invade whichever country Bush points to.
    3. I point out that the Spanish people opposed the invasion of Iraq and, if the bombings are actually by al Qaeda, they will vote the government that brought them into that invasion out.
    Follow so far?
    Now, nothing I have said – and nothing the Spanish people have said – implies that Spain deserved to be bombed. So just slap that thought out of your tiny minds. Because there are just too many of you all for me to do it.

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    >Robert can’t recognize a democratic constitution in Iraq as being a “success”
    It’s isn’t. A constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper unless the people imbue it with power. Has Bush succeeded in getting the people of Iraq to imbue their constitution with power? I don’t think so.

  • Sortelli

    Great. So, which ideas should we have listened to, Robert?

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    >Do you think they’ll empathise more or less with Muslim dead now that they have suffered a (very little) bit themselves
    I doubt it. These people simply cannot equate in their minds how they felt on 9/11 with how Arabs feel when Dubya’s freedom bombs are dropping all around them.

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    > We asked you to detail how you would PROSECUTE the War on Terror.
    Of course you did, but it’s a loaded question. I couldn’t possibly be able to answer it simply because I don’t have access to the necessary data that I would need to be able to formulate a strategy. I would need to know the capabilities of all sorts of intelligence bureaus, what specific aid was being given by nations around the world, etc. To ask me to formulate a plan would be like me asking you how you plan to cure aids. I doubt you’re an aids researcher and therefore wouldn’t have a clue how to do it because you simply would lack the necessary knowledge.
    But that doesn’t mean I can’t say that Bush is screwing up the war on terror. I can, because it’s quite obvious that the terrorists are operating with as much ease as they were before 9/11. That says he hasn’t made a dent in their ability to wage terror on the world.

  • scott orrell

    Robbie,
    “succeeded in getting the people of Iraq to imbue their constitution with power?”
    Wow..I get it now. You’re actually just another racist bigot. Of course, those ignorant Iraqis cannot have a succesful future with democracy. They were better off under their tyrant. Stupid whitey had to go and disempower their master and now poor Sambo can’t even find his shovel. DO YOU SPEAK FOR THE IRAQIS? Let’s ask them, or at least the blogging ones? Go ahead, even ask Baghdad Burning. Tell them they have no hope. And should have no appreciation for removing their dictator, or that as long as America keeps her bearings and neither rules nor abandons them, there may be a successful safe democratic state.
    And then.. “These people simply cannot equate in their minds how they felt on 9/11 with how Arabs feel when Dubya’s freedom bombs are dropping all around them.”
    You imply that you care more for the dead? Especially the dead killed by us? How dare you? What about innocent civilians killed by agents of the state in our own cities? What about foot soldiers of the Nazi party? Did we care for their deaths both? And the Germans, Japanese, confederate soldiers? Would you have fought for the union? (yes, I know you are Canadian) Civilians are killed in every war. And do we not care?
    Shame. You can argue what we do is wrong. You can argue that it is immoral or a horrendous mistake. You can even argue that Bush does it for the oil. But you should not dare to presume that others do not care for the dead.
    You go to far and You are a tool, a racist, a fool, and a troll.

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    But that doesn’t mean I can’t say that Bush is screwing up the war on terror. I can, because it’s quite obvious that the terrorists are operating with as much ease as they were before 9/11. That says he hasn’t made a dent in their ability to wage terror on the world.
    I’m confused, Robert: you can’t tell us how you’d prosecute the war on terror because you don’t have access to the information you’d need to make plans.
    But you can tell us that the war isn’t being waged effectively? Where are you getting access to that information?
    In other words, you’re too ignorant to know what to do, but not too ignorant to know someone else would do better?
    Isn’t that more or less the same as saying “I know Bush must be wrong, but I don’t know why”?

  • http://www.thebigdog.cjb.net Big Dog

    I can, because it’s quite obvious that the terrorists are operating with as much ease as they were before 9/11.
    You couldn’t be more wrong. Did you miss the Zarqawi memo, or ignore it because it didn’t fit the “BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!” meme? Did you miss the fact that terrorists the world over are being hampered in their efforts because of our efforts to track terrorist funds? Apparently so. You can say whatever you want, but that doesn’t make you any less wrong.

  • Sortelli

    It’s rather like trying to get a straight answer out of Kerry, ain’t it?

  • Michael Hall

    Guys, why do you bother trying to discuss issues with Robert McClelland? Seriously, what’s the point?

  • Sortelli

    You have a very good point, but it’s nice to see Robert get caught up in his bile and be totally unable to answer straight questions without blaming the whingers for screwing everything up.
    Erm… you know… as opposed to him just plain blaming the whingers for screwing everything up.

  • miguel

    as yet noone knows if it was ETA or al-kaida and you are mixing up the fronts already!
    and did you know that the majority of the Spanish people opposed the US war on Iraq? so, Jeff, you can hardly march alongside your allies, just alongside Aznar!
    people in Europe are facing terrorism throughout 20th cent. history, you cannot compare that to the US terrorist attacks of 911!

  • susan

    Robert,
    Prior to the Iraq War, how many Arab countries were helping to stop the constant slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people?
    How do you respond to the massive UN/Saddam oil-for-food kickback scam?

  • Michael Hall

    Sortelli,
    Hmmmm, well, as long as it’s for entertainment…
    My personal Robert McClelland favorite from this thread: A constitution is nothing more than a piece of paper unless the people imbue it with power.
    I can’t wait to hear how McClelland’s imbuement might occur. Must Iraqis hold hands and chant “We hereby imbue this Constitution with power?” Perhaps a bonfire would be necessary?

  • Michael Hall

    Holy cow! I had a few minutes to kill so I foolishly clicked on Robert McClelland’s website. In a word: hilarious!

  • hen

    brain dead bobby – “The NRA assists terrorists”, “Bush is a Homophobe”, “The US doesn’t listen to anyone”…christ you are so f’ing tedious it is unreal. if you were only half an idiot that wd be the good half./
    hey mumustapha — you still have answered my question: how big is the book that you use to beat your wife? is it hardcover or paperback? or do you just use the ever handy quuuuran?

  • Joe Peden

    Kill all Liberals now.

  • Joe Peden

    Now

  • onecent

    Having a dialogue with Robert is like nailing jello to a tree. He and Mustapha(are they one and the same?) are drive-by artists. He/they find a site, spray it with provocative comments, then sit back and relish the attention they have gotten.
    Robert, your game is over. You are officially on my Ignore Site Pest list.

  • Jeff B.

    Of course, then you have idiot right-wing trolls like Joe Peden: the Robert McClellands of the right. Kill all liberals, eh Joe? Guess that means you’re gonna have to drag the proprietor of the very site you’re commenting on out to the execution cellars. Jackass.
    Here’s one we should all be able to agree on: Kill all Terrorists now.
    Buy all Liberals a beer or two.

  • http://twistedspinster.com/ Andrea Harris

    Buy them many beers. Then they will pass out and we can steal their wallets.

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    >But you can tell us that the war isn’t being waged effectively? Where are you getting access to that information?
    March 2nd, Iraq/Pakistan: 200+ dead
    March 11th, Spain: 200 dead
    These were well co-ordinated attacks. The terrorists are striking at will.

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    >Prior to the Iraq War, how many Arab countries were helping to stop the constant slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people?
    How many are doing so now? Don’t be fooled into thinking Pakistan is actually helping out in the war on terrorism just because they say they are and are rounding up a few terrorists. They are only doing the bare minimum needed to put on a good show for the American public.

  • http://twistedspinster.com/ Andrea Harris

    Robert SEES ALL.

  • Sandy P.

    –I would start by listening to the ideas presented by the other leaders of the world instead of thinking that I was the only one who had the right solution to the problem. Bush and company don’t listen to any opinions but their own and you freepers crap on any opinions that don’t come from directly from Dear Leader or a right whinge pundit.–
    But Robert, their history precedes them and they were wrong (on more than 1 occasion, but we’ll let that go for the time being.)
    So how come our way worked w/the Barbary Pirates?

  • Sandy P.

    And Robert, this Oil-for-Palaces scam just might make it harder to listen to some of our “allies.”

  • Sandy P.

    Ah, nice Robert, you want for Iraq NOW – YESTERDAY.
    It took us 12 years from start (1776) to finish and we’re still squabbling 200++ years later.
    Give it time.

  • Sandy P.

    –people in Europe are facing terrorism throughout 20th cent. history, you cannot compare that to the US terrorist attacks of 911!–
    That’s because you tolerate them. You don’t go after them for some romatic notion.

  • capt joe

    All bow to magnificence of Robert.
    May we be properly exaltative of his noblesse, his majesty, his prattle, his perpetual humbug, his pretensions, his cheerleading for AQ. All Heil to Robert. (Don’t respond robbie, Godwin’s law has been invoked, yes I know that is a violation of Godwins law, but I can’t stand your silly prattle). ;)

  • Trump

    This is everybody’s war
    Not John Kerry’s war…..it’s a law enforcement matter to him.

  • Charlie (Colorado)

    Buy them many beers. Then they will pass out and we can steal their wallets.
    I vote we just roll them for the wallets and buy the beers ourselves.

  • Catherine

    Jeff, I was pissed on 9/11 and ever since. There was shock and sadness too, but anger was dominant.
    Just needed to say that. I was also never a fool who said, “why do they hate us?” The first thing I said was, “This is war.”
    I am just as pissed about the bombings in Madrid as I was about the poorly covered bombings in Bali (by our media). I thank Tim Blair for bringing Bali info to me.
    But that’s just me.

  • http://www.thebigdog.cjb.net Big Dog

    March 2nd, Iraq/Pakistan: 200+ dead
    March 11th, Spain: 200 dead
    These were well co-ordinated attacks. The terrorists are striking at will.

    In case you missed the memo, Bobby, we’re at war. Sometimes the enemy kills the good guys in the war. And as I already pointed out (and you ignored), there would be far more attacks had we simply sat on our collective hands and done nothing. We did that for years, and it cost us 3,000 lives. No, thanks.

  • Trump

    These were well co-ordinated attacks. The terrorists are striking at will.
    In a word: BULLSPIT. They are not “striking at will”. In fact, they are getting beat and they know it (does the phrase “by god! This is suffocation!” mean anything to you??)
    Facts are this: They can no longer “attack at will”. They’re being forced into attacking softer targets- and some of those attacks, like Turkey and Saudi Arabia, have turned more of their potential allies in the muslim world against them. Instead of striking us directly, they’re going after our allies.
    Idiot…

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    >And as I already pointed out (and you ignored), there would be far more attacks had we simply sat on our collective hands and done nothing.
    Of course, in the real world I never said we should do nothing. I am saying however, that Bush is a lousy leader and is imcompetent when it comes to leading the war on terror. We need a new leader who will not attack random countries where there are no terrorists while letting the bin Ladens of the world run free. We need a leader who will not tie up intelligence sources chasing down phantom WMDs but will keep them on track chasing down terrorists.

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    > Instead of striking us directly, they’re going after our allies.
    When they strike America directly again, will you concede that Bush is screwing up in the war on terror? Or will you just spin that failure away too?

  • http://twistedspinster.com/ Andrea Harris

    The world truly lost something when it refused to elect you Great Leader.

  • Doctor Slack

    The world truly lost something when it refused to elect you Great Leader.
    In other words, you can’t answer him. Fair enough. But could you at least have the wit to think up a better insult? Sheesh.

  • Sortelli

    In Robert’s world, Iraq was a “random country” where there are “no terrorists”. Every shadow holds a stupid right whinger who does stupid things and is stupid and that’s stupid. In Robert’s world, even Osama is presumed innocent until proven guilty, but right whingers are always wrong. And stupid. In Robert’s world, questions cannot be answered because only certainty is that right whingers are stupid. Robert believes that we should listen to the ideas of others and stop alienating our friends. Except for right whingers. Every night in Robert’s world, Robert goes to bed angry.
    No one should go to bed angry. No one should live in Robert’s world.
    Won’t you help?
    … How’s that Slack? Sheesh, speaking of answers, we’re still waiting for Robert to explain how we should be fighting terrorism.

  • http://barcodeking.blogspot.com/ BarCodeKing

    I must disagree about the American reaction to 9/11. Speaking for myself, I had never, EVER, been so angry in my entire life. If I could have gotten ahold of one of those responsible for the attacks at the time, I would cheerfully have torn him limb from limb with my bare hands. And I was very, VERY angry for about a year. Sad, too, but the predominant emotion for me was anger, and it was only the first anniversary of the attacks that allowed that anger to begin to ebb. It changed my politics. It moved me to support whatever military measures might be necessary to prevent more such attacks on our nation, by taking the battle to our enemies instead of waiting for them to strike again. And it filled me with contempt for those who would try to appease our enemies or pretend that they didn’t exist. And it’s why I support President Bush for re-election, even though I voted for Gore last time (Thank God he lost!).