Democracy delayed

Democracy delayed
: The signing of Iraq’s constitution — the first truly democratic constitution in the Arab world — has been delayed because Ayatollah Sistani thinks he’s in charge:

Shia members of Iraq’s governing council refused to sign the interim constitution at the last minute today, delaying a signing ceremony.

The delay came after Iraq’s leading Shia cleric rejected parts of the document, Iraqi officials said.

The council agreed to the accord unanimously on Monday. But Ayatollah Ali Sistani rejected provisions put into the text at the Kurds’ request to protect their self-rule area in the north, according to a source in the council.

Also in dispute was a clause outlining the nature of the presidency in the future government, a Shia official said. The Shia were reviving a demand that would allow them to dominate the presidency, he said.

  • Doctor Slack

    “– has been delayed because Ayatollah Sistani thinks he’s in charge”
    I think you mean “has been delayed because Ayatollah Sistani is in fact in charge.”
    The Shi’a of Iraq are looking to break a four-hundred year pattern of domination. I think they’ll do anything it takes to hold the balance of power, and to keep the Kurds or Sunnis from getting the whip hand.

  • http://www.davidgalbraith.org David Galbraith

    One of the articles being objected to:
    “There is one article that give a specific party the right to veto the permanent constitution if it fails to meet their [implicitly the Kurds’] demands”
    Although arguably doublespeak, it is a reasonable point that the constitution should be binding. This would be analogous to having the former Confederate states be able to opt out of the US constitution which would damage the Union.
    It does underscore the difficulty of Bremer’s job of creating democracy where the will of the majority could be intolerant of substantial Kurdish and Sunni minorities.

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    Say Jeff, don’t you find it a little strange that none of the Iraqi bloggers have yet to mention that the GC has drafted a constitution? Any thoughts on why that is?

  • Joe Peden

    Robert, Bob[in case you do not know who you are, which is certain], you only give a false impression of Lavins, which you have not noticed since you are not aware of anything except, maybe, your own alleged thoughts, which are no more than pop-ups, as you well demonstrate.
    Lavins was a construct of the Liberal Mind, who occupied space, much as any other space-occupying lesion, otherwise known as “Cancer” to most people, except for the Cancers themselves, who are not people. Lavins occupied the area of “Washington Post, ‘On Politcs’, Forum.”
    Lavins could post faster than 10 computers could think. Yet, as computers cannot think, Lavins went down to an ignominious defeat. I don’t know if she is even still alive, though she may never have been alive to begin with.
    I whopped her butt by means of a simple exchange, in which I showed her to have been in contradiction to her own stated principles, which she did not have, anyway.
    Bob, you likewise have no principles, except that “Something is always wrong, therefore it is wrong.”
    But you are no challenge to Lavins. You need to go to Head Start in order to have a chance, except that you embody the goal of Head Start, which is to make everyone equal in being nothing. So why do you speak? Nothingness has a right to speak, and you are it. Wellcome to the world of Tim Robbins and John Kerry.

  • M Morris

    Robert,
    Bloggers are as biased as everyone else. Every blog I have been to, left or right, anti or prowar; post information that seemlingly justifies their point of view.
    Regards,

  • Doctor Slack

    Joe: thanks for the demonstration of what clarity and consistent thought should look like. I’m sure Robert is trembling.

  • Joe Peden

    Dr., thanks for the notice. It does seem to help, although I also think I don’t care. But, then, why am I speaking if I don’t care? It’s probably because I recognize the threat, which is McClelland, as a great nothingness, which I just don’t like. It confronts me in being the opposite of free thought. I don’t like Terrorists or their supporters, Democrats, either, and am preparing to kill them if necessary. At least I am giving them fair warning.

  • Doctor Slack

    Giving them fair warning? What a namby-pamby liberal you are, Joe. I think you need to strike pre-emptively.

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    >Every blog I have been to, left or right, anti or prowar; post information that seemlingly justifies their point of view.
    Sorry, but what does this have to do with the lack of comment by the Iraqi bloggers on the constitution?

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    >It confronts me in being the opposite of free thought.
    Sure it does, dittohead.

  • Roman Helmut

    Did the murder of Shia worshipers on Tuesday gave Sistani the excuse to walk away from the agreed upon draft of a constitution?
    Another thing, if Iran has acknowledged that al-Qaeda was behind the bombings of Kerbala, and has acknowledged harboring al-Quada operatives, why isn’t Sistani demanding that Iran hand them over?
    It is reputed that several of those arrested were Syrian. It is reputed that several spoke farsi and were either Afgahnistani or Iranian. What happened on Tuesday brought to mind Lebanon and the bombing of the marine barracks…a signal from from Iran/Syria/Hezabollah to get out of Iraq, that they’re calling the shots now.

  • M Morris

    Robert,
    You implied that the absence of discussion on Iraqi bloggers sites, regarding the draft constitution; indicated it was not worth much.
    Bloggers are biased. So what if a particular group of individuals don’t think it is worth publishing? Does that really say anything meaningful about the merit or lack of it, regarding the document?
    I dont think so. Seems pretty straight forward to me. I’m sorry you’re having difficulty getting the gist of it.
    Regards,

  • Doctor Slack

    Did the murder of Shia worshipers on Tuesday gave Sistani the excuse to walk away from the agreed upon draft of a constitution?
    Interesting question. Hard to know. It could be that he would have balked anyway, and used this as one more opportunity to remind people how much influence he wields.
    Another thing, if Iran has acknowledged that al-Qaeda was behind the bombings of Kerbala, and has acknowledged harboring al-Quada operatives, why isn’t Sistani demanding that Iran hand them over?
    I can’t make sense of this, though. Iran was quick to blame the attacks on al-Qaida, but it’s impossible to know if they’re correct or not. Iran has never “acknowledged haboring al-Qaida operatives” as far as I know; their official position has always been one of enmity to al-Qaida, though media sources of spotty reliability (like DEBKAfiles) have made accusations before.

  • http://myblahg.blogspot.com Robert McClelland

    >You implied that the absence of discussion on Iraqi bloggers sites, regarding the draft constitution; indicated it was not worth much.
    I didn’t imply anything. I simply asked if Jeff thought it was strange that none of the Iraqi bloggers have commented on the constitution. Don’t you think that it’s strange that none of them have commented on something that is of great importance to their country?

  • Ebb Tide

    http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/
    Omar, ali, and Muhammed are writing about all kinds of topics related the the violence and the CG…. very thoughtful and interesting reading. Take a look.

  • M Morris

    Robert,
    I don’t know if its significant or not. It may be insignificant to them, and hence they have not published it. But that only indicates that those individuals view the draft constituion, in that particular way. It does not necessarily mean the draft is total crap, from every Iraqi’s point of view.
    Regards,

  • Ebb Tide

    to R McC:Zeyad has posted a long essay about the topic of the constitution, he isn’t avoiding the issue at all!
    http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/
    Don’t forget many of the Iraqi bloggers are lving in places where the internet is not readily available and they must also work, so give them a break for not writing everyday like they are the wall street journal or something!